Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

/confirm

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not sure how I want to vote regarding the quarantine. Only reason why I say this is because the person that is put in it is not able to perform an action or they can't have actions performed on them. I'm thinking we need to act as a majorly to decide who's the scummiest in terms of lists. Such as we put one person we think is scum as the overall lynch target, but the second person who we believe could be part of the scum team in quarantine to avoid them using their actions to kill the town.

Let's discuss..

Meh. I think it's kinda stupid to jail the second suspect in hopes of stopping them from killing town. At least, that doesn't work until there is only 1 killer, since their partner(s) can just go ahead and do the kill.

What I am thinking we can do is jail someone who we don't want the scums to kill. Like, a confirmed townie or something, if we ever get one. Though that will highly not happen on Day1.

I don't know. I actually think it's

better

to not Jail anyone on Day1, because we might try to jail someone which will trigger a PR claim, which we definitley don't want on Day1.

Anywhooo, VOTE: image. You know, jumping on a wagon, causing pressure, quicklynch, etc etc...

Also, zombies!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@Malakittens - I think your av is causing me seizures

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why the vote on me? Just asking?

VOTE: malakittens
because your gif avatar is driving me insane

No really. It's really driving me insane too, and whenever I try to read something you wrote (or someone else wrote that is in close vicinity to your post - as in shows up on the same screen), my eyes keep dashing back and forth, and I'm getting dizzy. I would love it if you change it to a none-gif.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Thank you Kitty

Also, RVS is dragging out. Let's throw some stuff out there:

Thinking image knows something we don't.

Why do you think that is a bad thing (I'm assuming you do because you voted for him right after)?

Claim: basically a vanilla townie.

I found this post odd.

And all that about Zombies? What's that about?

If you think it's odd, why isn't your vote there? I mean, RVS is for when you don't find anything suspicious, but the first second you do, your vote should be jumping there, even for whatever little reason. You won't be pressuring anyone by throwing a completely random vote in the air, and then calling other behavior 'odd' and not acting on it, so why didn't you vote?

Claim: basically a vanilla townie.

I found this post odd.

And all that about Zombies? What's that about?

Yes, I was wondering the same.. It just didn't make sense.

And why isn't your vote there? Same thing as above.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wish I had my ROMS buddies here. I do repeat myself a lot, but that doesn't make me scummy in the least bit. I do it often, so, it's a null tell. I have always been lynched in past games for doing just that, but also due to the fact I'm just a jumpy townie. I'm usually lynched by day 2-4 for that behavior. Also yes I question everything that's my style of hunting.

And how do you play as scum?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@ Mala: Self meta is unreliable at best. Also you have completely missed the rvs. If everyone treats it seriously then it is actually useful. By not trying to come up with something serious from the get go you are holding town back. Every post that someone makes can and should be put under scrutiny.

Ummm, no. That is not how RVS works. You think voting someone if their name sounds funny, or you have a rivalry with them from a part game, or you don't like their av is any different than saying they used random.org to pick a random vote? Highly unlikely.

Scum can and have been caught in the RVS stage in 2 ways: (1) Trying too hard at fitting in and (2) Making awkward posting in the beginning before they start getting the feel of the game.

This game's RVS has basically been useless. It has basically consisted of kittens getting her av, zombies, and you and your little dance.

I don't really agree with pressure votes or RNG votes. It's not pro town. A bit of pressure after D2 is needed to make the lurkers start posting though.

Wait, what? o.O This is the second time you said something like this. The first:

Ser you make it seem like you enjoy pressure votes.

I

do

enjoy pressure voting. How do you expect we catch scum if we don't put pressure early on? In fact, one of the alternatives I toy with sometimes instead of RVS is picking a random target, having everyone bandwagon them to L-1, discussing, and then hammer in the middle of discussion. Yes, it

may

sound kinda crazy, but it actually gains a lot more information than RVS would ever gain. Not matter the person's alignment, analysis can be made on who did what, what they said, how they reacted, etc...

Like I said the more posts townies make then the scum have to be forced to post. When the scums post then they are most likely to slip up with a mistake and be caught. That's the main belief I go by when playing MS/ROMS.

But why can't scum post a lot regardless? The level of posting is more dependent on playstyle and less dependent on alignment. Someone who posts a lot will post a lot no matter what. Take Faraday for example. No matter what, he's going to be posting a lot. It's not like scum are afraid to post or something. Also, scum-slips are very rare, especially in a none-bastard game (which, I'm assuming this is ). Basic mechanics are known by most players, so it's very rare that someone would slip in that regard.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Our ideal quarantine is scum. even if it doesn't ensure someone else won't make the kill, it will prevent scum PRs from using their powers. we should lynch our top scum read and quarantine the second. I would agree that there might arise a time when confirmed townie could be the subject of a quarantine but (a) we do not have any confirmations yet and (b) i dont think anything has happened yet to warrant that strategy D1

Meh. I think in this setup, it would make sense to put a tracker out there, since with a quarantine, one of the scums can be jailed, and then (one of) other(s) will be forced to send the kill in. This is one of the reasons that I'm actually thinking that not jailing anyone is rather a bad idea, and it's not taking advantage of our resources.

On another note, I think I'll be sheeping for a while.

VOTE: Espeonage.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It's good to know that some of you are in agreement with me, but being in disagreement does not merit a lynch on Espeonage.

my vote is based on his play, not for disagreeing with you.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.

sorry to underwhelm you.

@PV - we should

definitely

be worried about scum PRs though hence why i suggest quarantining scum.

But this sounded a lot like he actually

does

know scum PRs exist.
He doesn't really say how we'll hunt Scum let alone Scum PRs.
Works as an assumption? How would we know if we are quarantining a Scum PR? Are we to lynch them straightaway the next day?

Meanwhile,
UNVOTE:
Cuz we are friends.

Actually, even if he was scum and he did know there are scum PRs, it wouldn't be a scum-slip, but a stupidity-slip to say that the scums armed to the teeth. I can't see anyone just slipping about giving information like that, because they would be extra careful in making sure they undermine and belittle their team instead of overpowering them in town's mind.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Quarantine: Sword_of_omens

. Obvtown, and I need him around to sheep his reads in the future

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Trying to stop scum PRs is secondary, since we should be lynching them if we think they are scum.

This. If we think someone is scum, jailing them is going to do little and less. If they're scummy, they're getting the rope.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Meh. All three of Guille, Esp, and kitty look bad.

VOTE: Guille because I just looked at his ISO and my gut says he's fishy. I think while Esp is looking odd, I don't think a scum would be prone to looking as weird as he is looking. Will put him as the best of those three.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

However, If Espeonage is lynched and he flips Town. Mala is going to come out and say "See, guys, I told you that he was town", convincing several of you that she is town.

How will she convince us she is town by having been right about one person? And why do you think people are just goiung to fall for it blindly?

@Espeonage, Ser Arthur, and Malakitten:
Can you give me a detailed reasoning why you are voting? It would be nice if you could include a second suspicion and Explain why.

I didn't like this post at all:

It's good to know that some of you are in agreement with me, but being in disagreement does not merit a lynch on Espeonage.

I am suspicious of Espeonage, but not because he disagrees with me, but from a couple of reads I got in our discussion.

I don't know, but the wording reads weird, and you make it sound like people are sheeping you, and then it feels like you're trying to construct a 'case" against Esp so no one can later accuse you of bad play.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh, I just read the word "detailed". No, I can't really give you a detailed explanation. It just your posts seem to be aimed at AtE and gaining the favors of the crowd, and trying to make yourself look good while at the same time soft-push a mislynch.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I see were you are getting at. I do not think I am using AtE to gain the favor of the crowds. I am using logic to gain the favor of the crowds. I am not soft pushing a mislynch because we do not know if it's a mislynch. You should use that argument after the fact. At this point your argument just looks like a Straw man.

So we should wait AFTER a mislynch to say someone is scummy for pushing the lynch, when we can save a townie from getting lynched by analyzing how people are pushing on certain people. Even before a flip, we can still learn a lot about how people are pushing and on who they're pushing.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Espeonage claiming and his reason for it were bad.

Okay, fine. His claim was bad and his reasons were bad. That doesn't automatically = Esp is scum. He just had a different idea on how to start off this game. And from what Esp has been saying, he could be genuinely believing what he is saying. Have you considered his POV coming from a town with a different mindset on how to work the game in the beginning?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

unvote

VOTE: Espeonage

Explain, please.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I recall several calling him conftown.

Meh. I tend to call strong reads obvtown or obvscum, etc, but I don't think anyone called him conftown.

In any case, he is obvtown, and if you aren't voting to jail him, then you better switch votes. Like, now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote Count should be something like this right now:

Redacted ~ Mod

Okay, the Espeonage reeks of opportunistic scumminess. And the second highest wagon reeks of easy mislynching. I want an explanation from brundibar, D3f3nd3r, and TheTrollie as to why they are voting Esp, and explaning

why

the things he did are scummy, not just what is scummy. Also, I want the whole Mala wagon to explain themselves. And Phill, why don't you have a vote out?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'll repeat this again, highest 2 wagons (Esp and Mala) are crap. So I think I'll support the defender wagon.

VOTE: D3f3nd3r

WAGON GO GO!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You mean you were more convinced here?:

Spoiler:

What was the point of that post?

Letting you know that unless something changes then I'll be coming down hard on you. You're only saved by the fact that guille is even worse.

Your barking up the wrong tree. You need a better case against me than: you have a different opinion, and that I am attacking you.

However, there is something odd happening around here. Malakitten is Buddying up with Espeonage. I doubt that they are both Mafia buddies. If Espeonage were to flip town, it would look positive on Mala that was against his Lynch. Mala is looking worse than Espeonage at the moment for me. I've been getting a bad feel from her for a while, but her votes do not reflect her agreement to Espeonage.

Vote: Malakitten

Quarantine: Espeonage

I also have a theory/idea I've been working with, that actually makes me more convinced Esp is town and that actually makes Guille (if it were true), look very bad. However, I think revealing it now would be a bad idea.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait, why are we quarantining Espeonage?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Quarantining Espionage is stupid. I'm really not going to explain why. But it really is.

PS: I justed noticed that in this plan:

I also have a theory/idea I've been working with, that actually makes me more convinced Esp is town and that actually makes Guille (if it were true), look very bad. However, I think revealing it now would be a bad idea.

Trollie also looks very bad if it's true.

Here is the plan:
Lynch Defender.
Jail Sword.

We analyze what happens tomorrow. Trust me, it's worth it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@Ser Arthur Dayne: You're jumping on a D3f3nd3r wagon just because you don't want either of Espeonage or Malakittens lynched, right? So if you have a theory that says guille2015 and TheTrollie are scum, wouldn't it be better to push one of those instead of voting for D3f3nd3r? Even without revealing your super-secret theory which totally exists you swear?

No, my theory is worthless until tomorrow.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Phill... do you have any scum reads? o.O It's town/town/town/null/townish/null/null/townish/townish/verytown/leaningtownish in that order.

Also, why isn't Defender on your list?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

But my biggest suspicions fall on Mala and Ser.

When did I become a big suspicion to you? To me, it sounds it came around this spot:

I also have a theory/idea I've been working with, that actually makes me more convinced Esp is town and that actually makes Guille (if it were true), look very bad. However, I think revealing it now would be a bad idea.

That is awesome ser because I have a similar theory were Esp is town(if it were true) and you look very bad.

Do you meant to say this

wasn't

bluffing?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

NabNab: ♥. Townie, after 1 post.

This scares the shit out of me because it's not true. He even said he started crafting his post before he got his role. This is a stupid sentiment and should be stamped out until he's posted a decent amount.

It scared the shit out of me too, but I assumed it was an inner joke or something, like they know each other before. Meh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

My opinion on quarantine, is to quarantine the second most suspicious player. Considering that the first would get Lynched.

No. We aren't doing that. We are quarantining the best town read. Which just happens to be Sword of omens. So if you would please switch to him, that would help. Kthx.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Want to move your quarantine to Esp with me?

Okay. Let me put it this way. If we quarantine Esp, it will be very, very bad.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So lets do something useful and keep sword alive.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Here is the plan:
Lynch Defender.
Jail Sword.

We analyze what happens tomorrow. Trust me, it's worth it.

Although to be honest, I don't mind getting quarantined, but I'm telling you, quarantining sword is the better play.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

wait has swords said he was fine being quarantined?

Meh. It's either he's fine with being quarantined or he's fine with waking up dead tomorrow.

Don't know about you, but I'll pick the latter any day.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

*former

(that was a fail -__-)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

26hrs left. Can you please bank a lynch in? And preferably a quarantine?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Good game, scums. Congrats