Meta Playstyle Mafia(Game Over, Town Wins!)

[Nachomamma8]

daddy is home, but he hasn't quite read
matt give me your trollie read
in exchange for my vote

[Nachomamma8]

MATT

[Nachomamma8]

ok

Vote: Mehdi

if trollie flips town, you die
i love you though <3

[Nachomamma8]

So people going from how often people are scum and town is the wrong way to do it if you are trying to figure out a person's role. You go for what they are known for.

I currently think matt is likely town.

you currently think he is likely town?
what are the chances of him fakeclaiming lightning rod as scum?
what are the chances of monkey giving him a lightning rod as scum?

I'm liking toog for town so far. I have no idea what the fuck mod would give to him, but being lazy as fuck about checking everyone's meta is a good sign in my book!

bitmap is town because of how he's handling the mehdi-matt situation.

Venmar's Bitmap vote sucks, and I don't like how concerned mehdi is over matt. It reads exactly like how I was behaving when kaney pegged the shit out of me in a marathon game.

don't mind venmar's vote so much now that trollie jumped on the bandwagon
trollie, why is mattp town?

lol gnr is town for the whole "MattP, I know you are a strong player and all, but you can't bully me!"
he gets flustered pretty easily on occasion, and i don't think he would take a stand against him like this, especially if mattp is right about mehdi/trollie (and it feels like he's right about trollie)

also angel is probably town
and lurker should probably be shot
just because they don't have much meta behind them, so finding a role for them would be hard
but their names make things a bit easier

[Nachomamma8]

Why fake claim it as scum? It's a fairly confirmable power. As for him being a scum lightning rod why claim and say he wants the investigative roles to act when he uses his power. Either he's lying and it'll be shown false or he's a scum lightning rod that will be guiltied. Both ways for him scum don't work well. So the claim makes him town.

exactly
so why did you call him likely town?
and not just "MattP is town"

nacho can you call me town because every time you call me town i feel happy

you're gonna have to work harder for me, darlin'

9 pages. I hate you all. Someone recap.

please don't do this to me
please do not do this to me

[Nachomamma8]

nonono
lurker shot is so much better than bitmap shot

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i mean, it's to the point where people aren't sure if I'm town unless I say it

you're town enough
i don't read people for such trivial reasons
i see into your motherfucking soul

hows this for an angle: go fuck yourself.

Anyone else wanna talk to me cause I'm done with MattPhuck for right now.

Lol artificial rage lol think you can get away with that when we're dating lol

I keep in-game rage from affecting our love life babe.

awww u2

I read through the thread and I have no idea what the Mehdi bandwagon is about. I'll probably read the Matt-Mehdi-Trollie ISO or something.

By "What is this?", I meant my role. It's unusual, to say the least.

hi do you have anything on anything?
i don't need empty promises. i need reads.

Voided, why are you protecting Bitmap when you want him either dead by nightkill or lynch?

I don't get you.

He's attacking you because you are making an opportunistic hop on claimed miller Bitmap and doing absolutely nothing else with your day play except sheeping matt. Absolutely nothing else.

nonono
lurker shot is so much better than bitmap shot

Actually if MattP is telling the truth, we might get lucky and have no one die tonight.

he probably shouldn't lightning rod tonight
he should probably just let lurker get shot

Why are the Millers so openly accepting of each other like having two Millers is common or something? Lurker, what makes you a Miller, and did you not notice Bitmap claimed Miller, and what's your reaction to this?

i saw the second miller claim.
it is specifically why he needs to die immediately.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Mehdi

We're not getting anything else done. I'm sold on Matt's case. Lets see a flip and move on.

this vote sucks

mehdi is also avoiding this thread pretty hard

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah, lynching scum is

so terrible

.

Shut up.

doesn't matter if your vote hits scum or town
you're not excused just because you decided to bus
what about matt's case did you like?
do you agree with him about trollie?

[Nachomamma8]

BITMAP
what do you think of lurker?

[Nachomamma8]

BITMAP
what do you think of lurker?

Umm, I'm not sure. I'm surprised he claimed this late for Day 1 claim of miller. I'm fairly new to Large Themes and I don't know what's the probability duplicate roles would appear.

there IS a possibility of duplicate roles, depending on how the setup looks
but as of now, I doubt it.
i doubt lurker would consciously counterclaim you, but it seems like he just hasn't read at all
so not quite sure what to think

Any more unimportant questions, friend?

nope
just kill as fast as you can

[Nachomamma8]

Um, am I the only one who could believe a miller claim from lurker?
I mean, he even got lynched in LYLO as an unCC'ed Mason in my Masons and Mafia game.
That's how scummy he can play.

do you disagree with him getting bullets, then?

medhi, you gonna claim?

[Nachomamma8]

2 shot day cop and neither shot is currently used. Flavor is asking questions a lot and reference to my marathon claiming of it.

unvote

if you are going to claim something like this, don't just stick it in the middle of a huge wall.
investigate trollie.

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bitmap essentially is a bundle of wifom and repetition except for the occasional times that he takes a pro-town approach to the thread.

I can totally prove Medhi legit or not right now. I triple dog dare her to scan me.

done, done, and done.
go, medhi.

[Nachomamma8]

no matt, fuck that

[Nachomamma8]

no. fuck that.
investigate toog.

[Nachomamma8]

I can

literally

prove or disprove Medhi's claim if he targets me.

Matt wait 30 minutes or so and I'll investigate someone although how does nero > toog right now?

matt.

[Nachomamma8]

Fine fucking investigate Toogeloo

Nacho, you're on my shitlist for proposing a Trollie investigation

if medhi agreed to it immediately, i would never vote medhi again

[Nachomamma8]

did you send in the toogeloo investigation?

[Nachomamma8]

Mod, request votecount.

chkflip, let's not talk about any of this until the investigation comes back.

[Nachomamma8]

but I am also suspicious of Nacho for his investigation proposals last day

no, this is why mattp is suspicious of me
why do you think my investigation proposals were scummy?

2) scum obviously targeted me last night meaning I'm either on the right track or they just want me out of the game since I'm a leader. I think they'd want me in still if I was wrong because town will follow me and I'll cause mislynches. Therefore I'm confident trollie is scum

You don't need to be alive to cause mislynches.

Lets be serious for a second here, you have brought up nothing in light of your own argument to support your idea of me being scum. All your doing is calling me scum and nothing else, you're just spitting out words. I would quote everywhere that all you did was discredit or insult me rather than prove my guilt, but I wont because I would just emberass you, it would take up a lot of my space.

Also, your whole post was just you discrediting MattP for what he has said instead of explaining why it was dumb or silly.

Vote: TheTrollie

this sucks

Trollie's wall was more like the town trollie that I know and love.

P-EDIT: Also, Nacho is scum because Chk claims to know this. One of them pretty much has to be scum.

nope
you are reading too much into this

bitmap being our only third party is some good shit, and lynching him to give Om a role is probably best.
roflcopter is pretty much confirmed scum
monkey gave VM 4 non-PR posts so he could get his thoughts out through non-wafla shit, but he gives roflcopter an FoS/Vote only PR? Nope.

[Nachomamma8]

You have a scum-read on Trollie? Impressive.

The point is, we all know that Trollie is scummy scum, even if he's not admitting it, so we don't need to lynch him right now. Chk has no reason to lie as town, so either he or Nacho is scum. If we have a vig shoot Trollie, and we lynch Nacho, we've got a 50% to be rid of 3 scum by the time day 3 starts.

Well I'm also cool with sheeping Maenara.

Dude. Look at my reads in this game. You'd be better off sheeping our foreign minister, and he doesn't even speak the language.

That aside, I think it's plenty clear which people we oughtn't lynch, and which are fine to lynch, but in case of scum not having realized these, let's not mention them. Go-go quicklynch.

(the second quote is a game where maenara was confirmed town and people told her to talk more.
this is called false bravado)

Vote: Bitmap

i feel good about arc, maestro, matt, om, chk, trollie, voided, and toog as town.
venmar is iffy
rofl, mae are both scumfucks
ton of lurkers

[Nachomamma8]

like peregrineV who is reading this thread!

[Nachomamma8]

no
trollie hides away as scum pretty hard
here, i see none of that
you haven't even put him in panic mode yet

[Nachomamma8]

ok, thank you all for coming *bows*

[applause]

No, no really I

[more applause...applause grows until it drowns out any noise made by THETROLLIE]

The end.

this addition to the case was basically him throwing out extra confidence in his case to make it stronger so someone would listen to it because no one was before
i liked that

[Nachomamma8]

MattP read on Trollie Vs. Nacho read on Trollie

would be a very proud townread, yeah
postgame would be amazing

[Nachomamma8]

Well, I only need to post photos for my PR... but yeah. Though, if rofl's previous meta involves him lurkering a lot or doing lots of unexplained votes, it makes "some" sense.

interesting. so he's not exactly confirmed scum.

matt, chk doesn't have a guilty on me.
i know this.

[Nachomamma8]

fos: voidedmafia

Roflcopter, use your next post to FoS: PeregrineV if you have a posting restriction.

fos: the acting method

hey rofl
why don't you explain why you've kept up the bullshit PR facade for so long?

[Nachomamma8]

matt, if chk rolls in and explicitly claims a guilty, then i'll explain
otherwise, there's no need

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho- I see your online- can you give me a quick catchup, or at least highlights?

i will give you a quick catchup if you promise not to be a lurkfuck

[Nachomamma8]

A) his role is obv more important
B) You should be locked into a claim over him so you cant tailor your claim

i know that he is lying for another reason that has nothing to do with my role
i'm not asking him to claim. all he has to say is "yes. i am claiming investigative role."

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matt, if chk rolls in and explicitly claims a guilty, then i'll explain
otherwise, there's no need

You have to explain before he does because:

A) his role is obv more important
B) You should be locked into a claim over him so you cant tailor your claim

Matt, If you're on right now, can you give a quick catchup/highlight?

actually catch up should be really easy
mattp called medhi scum
medhi was scum
bitmap is survivor third party and om gets powers if he lynches anti-town players twice in a row
so bitmap is a pretty solid play for today

[Nachomamma8]

nope 10/10

[Nachomamma8]

well toog and maestro and lurker are pretty much conf. town.

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chkflip neighborized me last night
he's not a cop of any flavor
and he's town

We all argue over who Mehdi should daycop. Nacho immediately suggests Trollie, which I call him out for because Trollie is obvscum and is a much weaker scum player than Mehdi, so scum would love to throw Trollie under the bus to save Mehdi, seemed like opportunistic crap that was a shitty, nonsensical way to utilize a daycop from town perspective. Interestingly, Nacho has ignored any future discussion about this matter

i suggested trollie because two-shot day cop is a broken combination with lightning rod, and scum-medhi was going to claim guilty regardless of who he targetted, which made his investigation useless, so the only thing it would be useful for is seeing who had the better scum pr
and then medhi ignored my suggestion completely, which tells me it was a pretty good suggestion
then i got excited because i thought toog was an unlimited PGO
also never ignored discussion. i didn't respond to you because i wanted venmar to respond before you did

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didn't post much in the qt even though he recruited me to prove my towniness to him/help him with reads

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@Toog- would your death by nightkill be considered a "result"? It may be stretching the rules and definitions of results, but would be badass if you get to be BP as well.

probably better if scum don't know if he's bp or not, don't you think?

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didn't post much in the qt even though he recruited me to prove my towniness to him/help him with reads

So did he call you scum at any point in there? You don't really seem surprised by his accusation today.

not explicitly.
i was less surprised, more impressed.

the Killer would just receive my Role PM instead of kill me lol!

monkey would probably become my favorite moderator if this was the case

[Nachomamma8]

he's having trouble reading me
he's doing something about it
in a recently finished game, he let me coast for a really long time, didn't really pursue his suspicion of me
this is an improvement

[Nachomamma8]

Well there went my Godfather status in this game.

Nacho is still scum. Nobody claims for somebody else as town.

except for when it confirms you as town

Hi all. I think I've played with just under half of you before so that's quite good. Been reading along, so have a couple of thoughts.

did you get your role?

Monkey, does his alignment have the potential of changing?

[Nachomamma8]

hey venmar i had a question for you
don't ignore it

[Nachomamma8]

- Because you were suggesting obvious scum investigations. They were a complete waste in the first place,

keep explaining please

[Nachomamma8]

now
what would a guilty investigation on Sora tell us?
what would an innocent investigation tell us?

[Nachomamma8]

jacob what was the first role you were sent?

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now
what would a guilty investigation on Sora tell us?
what would an innocent investigation tell us?

Wut.... NOTHING, WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME SUCH RETARDED QUESTION

WAIT WAIT
NOW SWAP OUT THOSE NAMES FOR LITERALLY ANYONE
NOW EXPLAIN

[Nachomamma8]

Hey Nacho, tell scum qt I said hi.

tell the dead qt i said hi too!

[Nachomamma8]

Not saying this is how it is, but seems a little bit over the top to immediately assume the game is bastard without knowing what both Sora's role was and what Jacob's role is now. Hold off on lynching the host until you know what's going on, and don't just assume the worst.

you're a little late on this one
ALSO
Jacob is pretty much confirmed town thanks to shenanigans

[Nachomamma8]

...chk neighborized him and didn't talk at all.

No, we had 5 posts in the QT, which i could post for you but they really weren't that interesting. I ended up ditching him halfway through the convo

I don't even know where you're heading with this Nacho. If we investigated someone like Nero Cain, Voided, or OmNom ( at the time ) we could've learned something in relation to tells, for example, but you didn't suggest any of the three now did you?

something in relation to tells
like medhi says that nero cain is guilty
or medhi says that nero cain is innocent
and we learn absolutely nothing

Uh, no, he isn't? Yeah, he claims the role he didn't get was town spy, and... This is supposed to clear him how, exactly? D'you think he would claim mafia?

the mod isn't going to change his alignment because that throws things off-balance

Uh, no, he isn't? Yeah, he claims the role he didn't get was town spy, and... This is supposed to clear him how, exactly? D'you think he would claim mafia?

so i'm sure monkey didn't change his alignment
because if he did, that would be absolutely ridiculous
so jacob pretty instantly claiming town spy seems like a really hard thing to fake
soooo confirmed town

LITERALLY GO FUCK YOURSELVES

IM NOT LYNCHING A CONFIRMED ANTITOWN PLAYER THAT'S TRYING TO GET HIMSELF LYNCHED

are you fucking kidding me
bitmap claimed miller so he would get shot
when lurker claimed miller, bitmap was like "oh well i guess we're both getting shot"
THAT IS NOT A JESTER
THAT IS A SURVIVOR

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not saying Bitmap is a jester, I'm saying bitmap can be ANYTHING. He may not be a survivor. He may be a bomb or something with a fucked up wincon. We don't know what he is, he's not playing on our side,

we don't know what he is
we know that he is anti-town
we know that lynching him will give om his powers
he's probably not anything ridiculous since there are three different factions in this game

No, we had 5 posts in the QT, which i could post for you but they really weren't that interesting. I ended up ditching him halfway through the convo

Why?

got drunk

Way to take my point and try to make it literal as a mark against me. I don't know what the fuck your role is, and you being antagonistic and trying to get people to think my point is ridiculous to legitimize your lynch only further proves you're a shitty third party role with a shitty wincon that needs to stay caged in the damn corner

if you think he is third party he can be crazy pgo survivor or stupid shit like that. lynching him is the way to make sure om gets his powers and bitmap actually dies.

Everything Bitmap is doing is to get himself lynched.

NO FUCK NO
bitmap is playing spamfuck survivor

[Nachomamma8]

10/90

[Nachomamma8]

shooting bitmap is bad
because he is bulletproof
>.>
<.<

[Nachomamma8]

yes. because he is telling the truth.
i seriously doubt that he would claim miller if he was afraid of bullets.

[Nachomamma8]

yes. because he is telling the truth.
i seriously doubt that he would claim miller if he was afraid of bullets.

"I'm a Doublevoting, 1-shot BP Survivor"

Yeah ok

"I'm a doublevoting jester that can self-vote."
"I'm a doublevoting bomb with a fucked up wincon"

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Trollie

fine, fine

[Nachomamma8]

hahahahahahahahahaha
trollie that was priceless

[Nachomamma8]

i'm catching up in games right now
i am a one-shot day vigilante, shot used yesterday
don't lynch me before i have the chance to catch up

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho didn't say a fucking word. Thanks for wasting my role.

VOTE: NachoMamma8

I made a post you didn't respond to!

hi guys!

hey mollie!

by the way, anyone have a redirector role? I got the wrong result for my investigation. (and I can tell because I did do some checking up to see how many times a player had posted before making my decision.)

lightning rod redirects everything

N2 Redirector Matt -> Nachomamma, which apparently didn't work.

yes because you redirected matt to himself
congratulations

The Nacho case is that he wasted Chkflips night role which isn't town at all, he proposed ridiculous cop investigations for Mehdi, his bs questioning phase that he had with me which showed no purpose but him trying to look smarter than he really is. Nacho was a big buddy of Trollie, he marked Trollie as town and trying to divert attention from him to Bitmap and so on, while not wanting to support his lynching until it looked like there was no other option, and that was after Bitmap was shot.

I didn't waste chkflip's night role. I didn't propose ridiculous cop investigations for Medhi as I was demonstrating with my questioning phase with you; we don't get relational tells from "guilty, innocent results"; we only see if medhi wants to call two people innocent in exchange for living, or just wants to die tomorrow. I did think Trollie was town for a while, though.

Let Nacho catch up first. He may want to hear this.

thank you

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Maenara

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Maenara

P-EDIT: Thank you for explaining the obvious, Nacho. Now, tell us, how is saying essentially nothing not wasting the role?

both nights I was not around to say much.
that's more alignment null, and not a scumtell.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think TAM is scum, and we have an alternate scum tomorrow.
Although the actual doctor should claim if he is a full doctor so he can protect Peregrine and they can watch/protect one another. If would also mean that mafia had a strongman that they used last night, which would mean that there would be an unbreakable combination between them without another scum being caught.

[Nachomamma8]

Although the actual doctor should claim if he is a full doctor so he can protect Peregrine and they can watch/protect one another.

How about "no."

If scum has a Roleblocker, they just block PV and kill the Doc... "gg."

but peregrine has results on two people targetting matt night 1
one is probably the killer
one is probably the doctor
so the doctor claims now to confirm himself

[Nachomamma8]

wait what the fuck

[Nachomamma8]

TAM was redirected onto MattP N2, MattP had flavor where he was fried, and MattP said that he was lightning rodding last night, had absolutely no reason to lie
venmar should have been redirected onto MattP, but wasn't
maenara should have been redirected onto MattP, but wasn't
if there was a strongman, he still should have been seen
if i targetted MattP both nights to kill him (which must be the case if Peregrine isn't lying), I should have been blocked last night

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Maenara

give me a little time to read through the game again
if I am scum, I am wasting my time
but if I am town, my words might actually mean something

[Nachomamma8]

last scum is probably a ninja to balance out the lightning rod/watcher business a little
and if it's trollie's frame that fucked me up, i will be pissed but it honestly wouldn't surprise me

[Nachomamma8]

You wouldn't have been framed on Night 2 since Trollie died yesterday.

i know

That's not how a framer works.

that's not how a framer should work

gonna dip out for a little bit
and if i'm still alive later tonight, i'll do my reread

[Nachomamma8]

lurker is confirmed town thanks to maestro's question

[Nachomamma8]

9 players confirmed town, 16 alive. The confirmed has the majority. Just powerlynch until we win, fuck a reread.

[Nachomamma8]

@Toogeloo - His role checks out with Peregrine's watch. We know mattp used his power cause I was pulled so Matt wasn't blocked.

We know TAM is power, that is all we know. Like I said, he could be Mafia "Insert Power Here," and got pulled in just like you did. And if you can't RB Matt with your Jailkeeper, it's pretty safe to assume that a Mafia Roleblocker can't block it either.

If Nacho flips goon, then TAM may be worth a second look. Menara claimed PR, but didn't show up to the Matt party, so she may just be a goon also. With Mafia Framer and Mafia Rolecop flipping, either there are 1 to 0 mafia PRs left if they believed Matt's lightning claim and didn't act (doubtful).

might as well lynch tam last if you think his reasons for being confirmed town are weaker than everyone else.
you'll still have plenty of time

[Nachomamma8]

i'm sort of hoping that you will flip some sort of scum PR that will explain what the fuck's been going on

[Nachomamma8]

still mostly doubting
but still
hoping

[Nachomamma8]

I guess I'll go with the rest on this one.

If Nachomamma flips town I'm going to be annoyed.

VOTE: Nachomamma

Also I will say, I love the premise of this game, but the execution needs some work.

you'll see why i'm so frustrated in just one moment, i'm sure

[Nachomamma8]

On that topic, Nacho, you promised tears of blood. I demand pictures.

yeah hold on let me poke a hole in my eyeballs

I'm interested in how monkey came up with the roles.