Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Mac]

/confirm

[Mac]

SO MANY PEOPLE I WANT TO RVS!

VOTE: Mac
For having the shortest name on the playerlist.

What about Egg? Same amount of letters AND first alphabetically.

Hello, Egg. Have I ever played with you before?

Yes.

Got an important RQS.

1. Are you Town? Give three sentences to explain your reasoning.
2. Who would you like to be Mafia with in this game?

1. Yes. I got a Role PM. It says town. I'm town.
2. Fuzzy because he's always obvtown. And zach.

Also syryana is town. I'd prefer not to get into why.

I think you should tell us why. TEAM FOUND.

Hi Remembrance

Got an important RQS.

1. Are you Town? Give three sentences to explain your reasoning.
2. Who would you like to be Mafia with in this game?

1. I am confirmed town.
2. Anyone but Fuzzy. HE JUST LOST US 1337 AND HE WASN'T EVEN ALIVE! Now

that's

talent.

VOTE: Fuzzy

I'm not bitter.

[Mac]

Icebox, yeah when I was a scum hydra last, I made a comment just like post 37 after my other head got called out.

Bulb and Klock are probably town. Fuzzy might be scum. These are early gut reads except klick. I'll get more into klick if people care a few pages down the road.

Preview edit: mac, that didn't look like mod/scum interaction.

Tell me brotha, what does mod/scum interaction look like?

[Mac]

I did until they dug up your stupid quotes.

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN OVER IT YET.

[Mac]

Why do you hope he has improved as scum?

[Mac]

I know it was. It lost us the game... but still, bad scum can only be good for the town?

[Mac]

If confirming was in thread then scum wouldn't have had pre-game talk, right?

[Mac]

For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

You do realize I just won a game as scum, when my partner was lynched early game, right?

I'm not as bad as scum as you think I am.

For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

You do realize I just won a game as scum, when my partner was lynched early game, right?

I'm not as bad as scum as you think I am.

Well I hope you've improved since then. It was your first scum game, iirc.

His scum play in 1337 was dreadful. If he hasn't improved as scum since then, there's something wrong.

So... do these guys look like scum partners or what?

[Mac]

It looks defensive. Especially the "I'm not as bad as you think I am" - surely you wouldn't care if he thought you were bad scum because you'd just prove him wrong by winning/outlasting him?

Or was that just a message to your buddy?

[Mac]

Eh, I'm not going after Fuzzy. I misread him in True Love, and I'd rather get a better grip on how he plays before throwing down a scum read.

Bo, I'm not sure why you have a town read on Mac. His posts read like scum trying to blow random talk into an illusionary case and hoping enough people bought it. This post is especially bad:

So... do these guys look like scum partners or what?

He quotes the conversation and phrases his question in a way that it will make the entire exchange look scummy. Yet, he never goes any further with it. And worse yet, he has to ask the town's approval ("These guys look pretty scummy. What do you think?"). He's done nothing scumhunting-wise sense then. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing it.

Vote Mac

Hey, you know what I decided to do instead of going any further with it?

I fell asleep. I'm not in the same timezone as you, evidently, so this post is pretty shit. For starters, how I phrase my question WON'T change how scummy the interactions look. And how the fuck is me asking the town what they think about the discussion bad? That's discussing the exchange and that's the town scumhunting as a unit. The fact you are trying to stifle it and make me out to be bad for it means you are probably scum.

VOTE: Bulba

[Mac]

It's not an OMGUS. He's trying to stifle discussion by painting my question to be scummy and saying I'm "looking for town approval" when the reality is, I'm asking what everyone thinks about it.

[Mac]

Based on 134, if fuzzy is scum, so is bulb. Acknowledges the wagon, gives an excuse not to be on it, but leaves it open as an option for later. Then makes his mac case. This would make mac town if the fuzzy/bulb team exists.

Why would it make me town and not a member of the other scum team?

[Mac]

I'm sheeping because wagons help Day 1. Icebox first, but it lost momentum quickly. Switched to Fuzzy, my other big scum read. Bulb for his possible slip, but I liked his reaction. And now you, for previously having not contributed enough.

Wagons? Yes. Sheeping? No.

[Mac]

I didn't say that, but sheeping wagon's isn't a good reason for being on four wagons that have gained momentum and died after. Sheeping is coasting; coasting is look for an easy reason to vote someone; easy reasons for voting someone are scumtells.

[Mac]

Well yeah but only if there are legit reasons for people being on them other than "yeah, what x said makes sense" - give your own thoughts. Otherwise you are not being pro-town.

[Mac]

I know I'm right. I'm trying to decide if it's a scumslip or a null tell.

[Mac]

You do realise that the RVS post wasn't completely serious. The only serious bit was Egg/Syrnana which I found strange.

[Mac]

Mac, as I said before, a brief moment of forgetfulness as far as the two scum teams is more likely to come from town. The only reason it's null for me and not a town tell is because I already brought it up earlier. I'm aware of it so it doesn't really work.

I think I agree other than I'd say town OR mafia. Werewolves are aware they are werewolves, I think mafia are likely to forget that they are actually not the only scum team.

Need to have a look at TNE later and see what his contribution has been, can't say I remember any of his posts.

[Mac]

Why? It's pretty obvious.

[Mac]

TNE was nowhere near an obvious lynch.

If it was a "Fuck this, these people are dumb" thing, that's more town than scum right? Why would scum find the town dumb for voting the right person?

This was what I was thinking personally, the way you worded it Egg is making me think town over scum.

[Mac]

VOTE: TNE

Was that a scum slip?

VOTE: fuzzy

Not only is this an opportunistic vote, but it's making non-existent reasons to vote TNE. Asking if it was a scumslip and then not actually clarifying what the scum slip was means there was no scum slip and fuzzy was just looking for a reason to lay a vote down.

[Mac]

I know, Bo. That "and" should have been a "/"

Autti is town because he hasn't done anything terribly scummy. Admittedly, it's not a strong town read, but it's a town read nonetheless.

is there no null-field for you?

[Mac]

I know, Bo. That "and" should have been a "/"

Autti is town because he hasn't done anything terribly scummy. Admittedly, it's not a strong town read, but it's a town read nonetheless.

is there no null-field for you?

What do you mean by this, Mac?

Well, you say he hasn't done anything terribly scummy so that makes me him a weak town read. And I'm asking how that makes him weak town as opposed to null.

[Mac]

VOTE: Klick

wagoning IceBox for a non-existent slip? Scum caught.

[Mac]

I personally thought Icebox was talking about the NK being a huge disadvantage to town & mafia.

Klick's vote, however, was opportunistic as fuck. It's not town-motivated to say "lol" and vote; you have to analyse every possible meaning, which is how I came to the above conclusion.

[Mac]

hey bacde welcome to the game!

[Mac]

So...Icebox/Klick team then?

VOTE: Klick

[Mac]

hey bacde welcome to the game!

whats up dude

are you town this game?

town as fuck brother.

[Mac]

Icebox and Klick are not buddies.

[Mac]

I wanna hear why Icebox thought it was town motivated though.

[Mac]

hey bacde welcome to the game!

whats up dude

are you town this game?

town as fuck brother.

lol you are trying to buddy me hard

I'll remember that but I'll assume that means that I'm already a major townread of yours?

you are scumhunting, which is a good sign. but I'm not trying to buddy you, maybe form a bloc but i don't know if i trust you enough yet. I don't fuck on the first date, you know.

[Mac]

Klick's avi even says mafia come on guys.

[Mac]

I heard opportunism.

Exactly what reason would I, as scum, need to be opportunistic at this point? I was already on fuzzy, which was a bigger wagon than Icebox. Unless you're suggesting I'm his partner?

who suggested that?

the opportunism stands because as soon as someone says "scum slip!!!" then all attention is focused on said scumslip and player. voting him early means you can blame it directly on whoever pointed it out if they were to flip town.

now tell me, where is the town motivation in not looking at all possibilities behind a possible slip?

[Mac]

bacde, what are your reads, bud?

mac is mad town
I'm town, duh

klick is confirmed scum (probably mafia)
apparently icebox is his partner? (also mafia probably)

also you are probably scum

those are my main reads

Icebox and Klick are not on the same team, leave that thought behind!

[Mac]

Don't see town motivation for Icebox to fish for the seer and out it for everybody.

I can see a slight motivation but we need to hear from Icebox.

[Mac]

can people please quote stuff?

[Mac]

Hey, Klick!

I heard opportunism.

Exactly what reason would I, as scum, need to be opportunistic at this point? I was already on fuzzy, which was a bigger wagon than Icebox. Unless you're suggesting I'm his partner?

who suggested that?

the opportunism stands because as soon as someone says "scum slip!!!" then all attention is focused on said scumslip and player. voting him early means you can blame it directly on whoever pointed it out if they were to flip town.

now tell me, where is the town motivation in not looking at all possibilities behind a possible slip?

also lol at "scum slip from Icebox but vote fuzzy"

[Mac]

Officially ignoring Bacde because his reasoning is retarded. Anything he says that others would like to hear the answer to can be repeated.

Mac, what is your reason for voting me besides opportunism?

PEdit: Same question to DBK.

Answer my question.

[Mac]

Because I'm here and shit is happening.

Is that cool?

[Mac]

@Mac, things can't happen if you aren't here. Why weren't you here when town was dead in the water? Anything you did could have helped us get better reads throughout the day.

-Rem

What is your point here? I haven't been around alot until now when I'm in bed with alot of time.

[Mac]

Hey, Klick!

I heard opportunism.

Exactly what reason would I, as scum, need to be opportunistic at this point? I was already on fuzzy, which was a bigger wagon than Icebox. Unless you're suggesting I'm his partner?

who suggested that?

the opportunism stands because as soon as someone says "scum slip!!!" then all attention is focused on said scumslip and player. voting him early means you can blame it directly on whoever pointed it out if they were to flip town.

now tell me, where is the town motivation in not looking at all possibilities behind a possible slip?

also lol at "scum slip from Icebox but vote fuzzy"

That was a terrible slip. I don't feel there are many other possibilities. Since the next question will be "Then why aren't you voting Icebox now?", it's because he claimed Seer, and risking lynching the Seer is a terrible idea regardless of the person's previous actions.

The last sentence answers most of what was said while I was making this post.

there are possibilities though and it is town-motivated to consider them. something which you didn't do.

[Mac]

Yes it does.

Scum see "scumslip" and know that all eyes will be on this player and there is a chance they could be lynched. They hop on, they don't consider anything else.

[Mac]

Yes it does.

Scum see "scumslip" and know that all eyes will be on this player and there is a chance they could be lynched. They hop on, they don't consider anything else.

Three reasons this is bad. 1. Fuzzy was already about to be lynched, so doing that would be unnecessary. 2. This is multi ball, and scum are looking for scum too. 3. I already said I'm very influenced by slips.

1. Irrelevant

2. also looking for easy wagons to jump on.

3. don't be.

[Mac]

Right, because it was so easy for me to refute "I'm influenced by slips" - seems like a massive cover up.

[Mac]

And all of the points are relevant. Mac is saying it's not town motivated for me to be convinced that Icebox's slip is real, and I'm providing proof that it can be.

no you aren't. you have said NOTHING that points to town motivation behind assuming the slip is real, instead, you have said provided WIFOM, known facts & 'playstyle' all of which do not prove anything to me.

[Mac]

Yeah, also I will

Unvote

until I've read the whole thing.

Just realized Bacde just replaced in before me.
LOL I RECALL A TIME MAC AND REM AND I TROLLED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU CHEERFULLY

Ahahaha YEAAAH! What a heartracing encounter that was

[Mac]

Still kicking about! reading back now.

[Mac]

>.> I'll remember this, DBK.

just wanna point out this is the sort of shit fuzzy says to his scum buddies.

[Mac]

Who triple checks for a cop claim, claims cop, knows a scum, and doesn't vote him?

But anyway, the comment is a null tell, I agree. I wonder why Mac pointed it out and didn't even comment on it after that

...because it's a null tell?

I was in a game with fuzzy where I was lynched based on comments fuzzy made previously when he was bussed by the guy I replaced. It's the kinda shit that makes his scum game bad.

Nice try turning it on me.

I'm adding DBK to the may-have-bussed-fuzzy pile.

[Mac]

Yeah. Can't we do that now?

Klick is lik guaranteed mafia. Almost certain DBK is a werewolf too. Just ISO him and look at his quick change/bus on fuzzy.

[Mac]

I never really explained why I think Klick is scum

but Mac independently came up with the exact same reason on his own

Thats unlikely to come from someone who is Klick's buddy, they would have come up with shoddy reasoning at best

Which means the only way for Mac to be scum (assuming Klick is mafia) is if he is a werewolf

But he's probably not a werewolf for a bunch of reasons I've been saying

Or it means Klick might be town, Mac might be scum, and you might have confirmation bias.

I actually did ISO Bo and Fuzzy, because I had the same thought. I saw no connection between the 2. Bo flopped back and forth on Fuzzy all game, but it didn't read as partner interaction whatsoever.

what do you look for when trying to read for partner interactions?

I'm looking for reasons on the wagon (Are they bussing or not.), reactions to each other, and whether any interaction between them read as genuine or manufactured.

Bo was on the Fuzzy wagon when it made no sense for a scumpartner to be on it.

His actual confusion concerning Fuzzy's alignment reads as genuine, even when read in a dual ISO, which leads me to believe that Bo had no clue what Fuzzy's actual alignment was. I would have expected Fuzzy's partner to perhaps bus him when it seemed inevitable to gain towncred, but Bo was on the wagon when it didn't make sense for a partner to be.

However, go back and check Egg's reaction. He states approval for the Fuzzy wagon for most of the game without joining it, and he only joins it after it starts gaining a lot of traction after Bacde enters the game. That read like distancing and bussing to me.

how does the bolded work then. iirc DBK hopped on every wagon and it's mother, before hammering fuzzy. distancing and then bussing.

[Mac]

because it was worth pointing out.

[Mac]

why is it not worth pointing out?

regardless of whether it's a null tell, it's still worth remembering.

[Mac]

A fucking RVS post? REALLY? I'll respond to the rest when I return but including an RVS post means it doesn't look good. Why on EARTH would I panic about a vote

that didn't even count?

@mod - V/LA for the weekend

[Mac]

A fucking RVS post? REALLY? I'll respond to the rest when I return but including an RVS post means it doesn't look good. Why on EARTH would I panic about a vote

that didn't even count?

The scummy part was you trying to shift attention off of yourself and onto Egg ("Why did you vote me and not Egg?"). Fuzzy was caught in RVS, why can't you be?

1) there was no attention
2) whats the difference between that and you saying you are not town in rvs? LOLSCUM

[Mac]

Well bacde when we both read him as scum, he was actually scum

yeah thats true

but my first game w/ mac he was town but I still thought he was scum

Yeah im pretty shit at that. Then again i had a pr then.

[Mac]

Why Mac?

1.)

VOTE: Mac
For having the shortest name on the playerlist.

What about Egg? Same amount of letters AND first alphabetically.

This feels like scum who is reacting to being caught for the wrong reasons.

2.)

So... do these guys look like scum partners or what?

Already explained why this was bad. He's seeking the town's approval on a scum read. A town player would have been more assertive. Mac is implying that there is scumminess in the interactions, but he has to make sure that it is okay for him to proceed, since he doesn't want to put himself out there too much.

3.) His later vote on me is pure OMGUS, and again feels like caught scum.

4.) Bacde says Mac is town because of Mac agreeing with him and figuring out the Klick case first. However, it just as easily could be Mac buddying Bacde and trying to paint Klick as scummy, which I believe is the case.

1) RVS is RVS. it was tongue in cheek. it was not serious and I cannot take this part of the case seriously. Like I said, it would be like you saying you are not town and me jumping around shouting "SCUMSLIP! SCUMSLIP!" it just doesn't work like that. RVS is RVS.

2) That was a rhetorical question. A way of expressing my views, you know. Not seeking towncred, but in fact pointing out why I feel you & fuzzy looked like scum partners. Funny you should mention this, because you say I was scum-caught in 1) but this also looks like you are 'scum caught.'

3) My vote on you was not OMGUS. You have already mentioned the reasons I find you to be scum with the partner interactions (in which, one of you have turned out to be scum. hmmm) and then you followed it up with "he hasn't pushed it" when I was asleep. Not OMGUS in the slightest.

4) OR or OR or bacde is a super strong townread of mine? and similarly me to him? JUST A THOUGHT.

so bulba is still my top pick for fuzzy's partner. re-reading some shit now.

[Mac]

A fucking RVS post? REALLY? I'll respond to the rest when I return but including an RVS post means it doesn't look good. Why on EARTH would I panic about a vote

that didn't even count?

The scummy part was you trying to shift attention off of yourself and onto Egg ("Why did you vote me and not Egg?"). Fuzzy was caught in RVS, why can't you be?

Clearly not what I said. "Why Egg?"

and then reasoning which showed it was a joke.

"same amount of letters AND first alphabetically.

[Mac]

Well bacde when we both read him as scum, he was actually scum

yeah thats true

but my first game w/ mac he was town but I still thought he was scum

I am terrible for this.

[Mac]

Based on interactions alone, the final werewolf is in Bulba & DBK. I'm pretty certain on this.

Need to here more from Autti; Klick is pretty scummy at the moment and I feel uneasy about Egg & GM.

Can someone point me to an Autti case?

[Mac]

Seriously. stop. This is pretty embarrassing to hold your hand through my RVS. Trying to twist something that generically happens in every game into a scumtell is quite frankly shit town or scum play.

[Mac]

ISO DBK and as the fuzzy wagon gains traction, he ditches his townread on fuzzy & waits until L-1 specifically to vote fuzzy. It struck me as a massive bussing effort.

[Mac]

That's cool, your plays been pretty off this game anyway.

[Mac]

Opportunism is actually a perk of scum-Fuzzy, a la Newbie 1340.

Survivalism is a perk of...just Fuzzy, a la pretty much every game I've played him in.

But

, Fuzzy's reads are actually shit-terrible. So bad that I feel like scum talking in twilight would get reads out like that to fuck up the town.

I may vote fuzzy actually, but not now. Probably my second WTF revelation in this game after my decision to unvote Icebox.

Is Fuzzy at L-1?

this is the post that looks like a bussing technique to me.

[Mac]

Did I really forget you DBK? Holy shit I need to sleep.
Eh. My read's been flip-flopping on you. Leaning town right now.

Scum can do productive things too, DBK. You know that as well as I do.

P-Edit: A lot of questioning, with little following up. Nice.

Bulb- being who I am, they are both number one priorities.

>.> I'll remember this, DBK.

the three times fuzzy mentions DBK throughout the entire game.

[Mac]

Nope, I assume since 1337 fuzzy would like to limit interactions with his partner as little as possible. hence the three times fuzzy mentions him is suspicious whilst DBK says "fuzzy is probably town" to hammering him is suspicious.

What do you make of DBK wanting to hammer fuzzy rather than just vote him?

[Mac]

Why is Egg wolf and Princess mafia?

Also surprised cos I had Bo pegged as the werewolf or town.

[Mac]

Here's a fucking thought, chaps. How about we explain why it's person X and person Y, instead of just stating it's them? Or else we are going nowhere today.

[Mac]

Princess is definitely scum. I can't tell if she's wolf or mafia however.

Other scum is in {Egg/Bulba}
VOTE: Princess

[Mac]

Princess could be a wolf

I know, Bo. That "and" should have been a "/"

Autti is town because he hasn't done anything terribly scummy. Admittedly, it's not a strong town read, but it's a town read nonetheless.

this is fuzzy giving Autti a weak town read for literally no reason. He doesn't call him null, he calls him town. I did pick up on this at the time, but I think fuzzy ignored me.

[Mac]

well bacde is pretty much town to me so that vote has not done yourself any favours in my eyes.

maybe you should discuss with us who the scum are rather than "he's tunnelling me!!!" which is not a scumtell in anyway.

[Mac]

I'm going to let Bacde de-construct the case but I don't understand how bade is "eerily accurate" and "not town levels" because he called one maf and one wolf... are you suggesting he's a member of both and bussing?

[Mac]

NK speculation is making me think Bulb is a wolf, aaaah

[Mac]

the NK speculation in my head. But I don't think it's working out.

[Mac]

did people miss the part where princess admitted she was a wolf/scum of some sort?

[Mac]

well she made the stupid bet and then admitted it was rhetorical and never going to happen. ergo she is a wolf.

[Mac]

I said scum in the post she quoted.

[Mac]

Princess is mafia and egg is the wolf?

Egg is under the impression people assume princess is the wolf because that's what she said. if he is the wolf, people will know she's not. he's banking on towncred with this.

[Mac]

VOTE: PP

bye scum.

[Mac]

WHEN THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER SEEN SCUM MAKE A MONETARY WAGER IN DIRECT RISK OF GETTING MODKILLED

She could easily have been modkilled for that. SCUM WOULD BE WAY MORE CAREFUL

she is definitely scum since she never intended to pay out.

[Mac]

WHEN THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER SEEN SCUM MAKE A MONETARY WAGER IN DIRECT RISK OF GETTING MODKILLED

She could easily have been modkilled for that. SCUM WOULD BE WAY MORE CAREFUL

she is definitely scum since she never intended to pay out.

Ive been in Large Themes so long that i forget some of you Open people are awful players


ALSO, READS FUCKER

no, i'm good for now.

[Mac]

I'm neither.

isn't this fun?

[Mac]

<3

kuribo is town.

there's a read!

[Mac]

so who is willing to drop the hammer?

[Mac]

Ive already outlined that I think egg is the wolf. Can we lynch him first?

[Mac]

vote Egg

Like I said, I feel egg is the last wolf and princess is maf.this is purely based on how he is strongly defending her as town, despite the fact she has done nothing towny since she replaced in.

when she was fakehammered, which I made sure came after her post, she ran away and didn't come back until it was established it was fake. and then did the whole "pretend I'm hammered" scenario.

princess is scum & egg is scum.

[Mac]

Maybe I'm being silly, but I don't see what the Wolf would gain from defending the Mafia.

towncred if he is harddefending for a townflip, extra time and stuffs.

basically people suspect Princess is a wolf. princess kinda wolf slipped with the bet alittle. if egg is the wolf he will know she isn't the wolf ergo he is defending her flip.

[Mac]

your reads are fucking horse shit egg. sorry, but it's true.

mod interactions? stop it. princess is not a wolf from the bet that

she never intended to pay?

stop it. kuribo is probably scum even after he freaked out over the fake hammer? no.

you haven't even reconsidered kuribo, you are still focusing on your tne read which reeks of scum not wanting to let go of a possible mislynch in tne to a highly unlikely mislynch in kuribo.

go ahead and selfhammer.

[Mac]

what's the bulb maf case again?

I had one that was proper NK-WIFOM speculation and would only work if he was the wolf.

[Mac]

Unvote

Vote Princess

Bacde is right, I'm willing to roll with him.

although I'm still thinking Egg is the wolf

[Mac]

VOTE: kuribo

[Mac]

nah just kidding

VOTE: princess

[Mac]

hey chaps.

DGB is not in this game. lets move on from that and hammer princess and then egg, yeah?

DROP THE HAMMER KURIBO

[Mac]

I am starting to worry about one of you two being scum which is a possibility I had not considered.

think egg is definitely scum of some sort... GM not so sure.

one of GM and egg my gut says... didn't even see a PP townflip coming at all. which is bad. sorry PP.

oh bulba is still alive.

ehhhhh am I going back to my original suspicions of bulba?

[Mac]

fuck knows.

i had bacde and syr as solid town before the day started.

[Mac]

that nk has totally fucked with me head.

like out of the three people I had down as solid town kuribo would be under most scrutiny because he was TNE, fake hammer reactions aside.

i mean he was obv town after that. maybe that's why he's dead. but still

bacde you are worrying me and i don't know why.

also it's fucking weird how egg was correct about PP. im gonna say he's right about syr too.

gonna go with my gut at the moment.

vote Bulba

[Mac]

i was really enjoying kuribo's posts too.

FUCK YOU WOLF

[Mac]

what bothers me most about egg was that he was willing to lynch himself over PP which is fucking strange. and makes him more mafia than wolf.

[Mac]

why does it say more wolf?

i'm trying to think why I thought it was mafia rather than wolf.

i think it was because mafia is so powerless it kinda felt like he was giving up. not sure if that's legit.

[Mac]

I said it!

but really started to doubt it.

I didn't like bacde's entrance into the thread when it opened, however

[Mac]

bacde's entrance today was very WIFOM-y and there's something else he said which made me nervous as hell.

i think i'm happy with my bulba vote right now however.

[Mac]

<-- was considering the possibility of kuribo-scum

awesomeee thx wolf

this^ just felt kinda fake. WIFOM-y maybe not the right word but it's like you are faking communication with the wolf cos you are the wolf.

if that makes sense.

i dunno anymore. i think I'll keep you as town.

[Mac]

bacde were you thinking kuribo-scum because of TNE?

what about the fake hammer reactions which made him like 100% town

[Mac]

bulba is just gut. genuinely, there's some things that have made me feel 'wolf' towards bulba.

the killing of DBK when i was suspecting him was possibly to say "hey he's town" and continuing pushing me.

and then there was the fuzzy interactions early on.

[Mac]

the reason i still suspect him is cos he immediately called me town afterwards. like there was no way I'd be bussing

[Mac]

the reason i still suspect him is cos he immediately called me town afterwards. like there was no way I'd be bussing

Wait though

if he killed DBK to say "hey he's town" and keep pushing on you

why did he stop pushing on you?

Because DBK flipped mafia, not town.

He couldn't push on me cos I was right.

[Mac]

^ which makes him the wolf

Tie that in with early interactions with fuzzy... Yeah Bulba's a wolf.

[Mac]

yeah this is a snorefest right now

[Mac]

hmmm

gm scum is a possibility.

[Mac]

WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYONE

[Mac]

Think harder bacde because you are not voting

[Mac]

what are you thinking about bacde?

map it out for me chap.

[Mac]

what are you thinking about bacde?

map it out for me chap.

honestly its mostly procrastinating

I was certain that Autti was scum so I'm like "oh fuck who can I trust" at this point

and I've been meaning to reread myself instead of just following someone else's case but I keep putting it off

why would you want to procrastinate as town?

stop making me doubt my reads on you.

[Mac]

and you were considered scum in that game & lynched

so why would you repeat that play?

[Mac]

repeating that play as scum means you can go "look this is what I do as town!" can you only provide one example?

no, I've told you stuff about me and why I'm voting. tell me what you are thinking, rather than procrastinating. because procrastinating is helping no one but remaining scum coast through this game.

basically most of this game has said what they have had to say <-- me, Syr, Egg at least. Bulba maybe less so but he's LA. we are waiting for you here bacde and all you can pop up and say is "hey I cba inputting so you will have to wait"

unvote

[Mac]

fair enough you didn't actually say it but you have given me proof but only one example where you flipped town so you are kinda trying to push it onto me as a town tell. but the bad thing is you were pretty much seen as scummy for this procrastinating so I can't imagine why you would do it AGAIN when you know it's going to be seen as scummy and there's already doubt in my mind.

why should I convince you why is X is scum when you can't be bothered doing your own research? it's like you are trying to coast through this day phase. I've actually told you why I thought bulba was scum and all you could say was "good point" and then sorta disagree with it.

I want you to be town bacde but you are really making me struggle for it. we had 5 days left and you still haven't even articulated your thoughts on today yet. I don't like it.

[Mac]

we have 5 days left*

[Mac]

like your procrastinating in the town game you linked had weeks left like you said.

we have days, you know?

[Mac]

Look. That post makes it clear there is no changing your mind. You are completely convinced I am scum. This is clear by the way you use "bus" and "vote" interchangably. You seem to have the same attitude towards bulb. Your reads seem similar to mine except that you have me as scum. I have you as a strong town read. Can you tell me why you haven't responded to my idea to just go down the list and lynch:
Me today
Bulb tomorrow
Goodmorning last
?

egg why is your vote on bulba if you advocate your own lynch today?

[Mac]

GM, where is your Syryana case?

For those not on the Egg wagon: Look at Egg's interactions with Kuribo. Notice how Egg thinks Kuribo is scum. Look at the mod's post about who wins in the event of a tie. Do the math.

this is a reasonable enough point i think

[Mac]

I would like everyone to commit to this game more, we have 5 days left and not much is happening.

Leaning egg wolf-bulba maf at the moment. Bulba's point about egg is good.

Syr do you think DBK would be so brazen about his buddies so early on?

[Mac]

why are you cool with lynching yourself if you are town in this situation

BACDE WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU

[Mac]

Why would egg have killed DBK Bulba?

vote Bacde

[Mac]

are you going to do anything to change my mind?

you keep putting things off, maybe you are struggling but you are seen is town and I feel like this is you trying to coast your way through the game without really doing anything.

other than you it's probably Bulba but I have this overwhelming gut feeling you are the wolf at the moment and there is literally nothing you are doing to change it.

[Mac]

I gave my reasons for Bulba wolf re the DBK push/calling me town afterwards and I felt it was possibly targetted at setting me up.

yes you are making me super paranoid but it's not just the paranoia it's the entrance in today where you went "thanks wolf I was thinking kuribo-scum" <-- if Bulba believes egg targetted kuribo because he thought he was maf then logically he should be thinking the same about you (this is further why bulba is scum imo but I'm not sure why)

pedit; ugh that kinda makes sense but you are not creating reasons for it to be right, you are creating reasons to figure it out later

this could be seen as stringing the day out because the town are fighting amongst each other too you know.

[Mac]

vote Bulba

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

hang on

[Mac]

you say you are working of PP's reads?

what about kuribo's?

[Mac]

i want you to tell me who I should lynch between egg and bulba

[Mac]

vote Egg

[Mac]

AW HELL NO

things that I think:

Syr is town

and it's between bacde & bulba

and I think it's bulba based on his early chat with fuzzy

[Mac]

i haven't turned on you it's just i'm that confident of syr being town.

why have you turned on me and not syr as well?

[Mac]

What motivation would bulba have to kill G_M?

mafia hunting?

[Mac]

question away bulba

[Mac]

k it's kinda wifomy but i still got it wrong and you did say she was town. This is hard.

Why no questions?

[Mac]

huh my post has gone. that's fun. but I think Bulba is the wolf. let me explain.

when Klick flips mafia, Bulba clears me as town because of the way I pushed Klick to the point where it couldn't be bussing. he doesn't think I'm a wolf because of the way I pushed fuzzy to the point where it couldn't be bussing. correct? I think I am. now we get into mylo and he decides to bring up that I pushed him over fuzzy early in the game. why didn't he bring this up earlier? why has he left it until now? I feel like his reads are fake

to answer your questions in a straight way bulba.

1) I always find fuzzy's playstyle scummy, therefore there is no point in me pushing him because I won't gain anything from it. I'll leave it to others.

2) whenever I first mentioned it was when it came into my head. it was just a theory, and I dismissed it at first. but there was no reason why I couldn't have been, in your eyes bussing klick to get lynched. strictly speaking, the DBK mafia flip should have cleared me as not-mafia since that would mean I bussed two of my partners yet you never mention it, instead referencing only Klick who was pretty much obvscum.

I feel like if we look at your early interactions with fuzzy, particularly the "I hope your scum game has improved" part of them, then you are the wolf, Bulba.

[Mac]

but then bacde's slot did literally nothing prior to him replacing in.


aaaa

[Mac]

that didn't answer syryana's question

[Mac]

Why was my answer insufficient, in your eyes Mac?

because your answer is entirely based from other people's reads and actions and not your own.

tell me, why could wolf-Bulba, wolf-Mac or wolf-Bacde not kill off GM to frame Syr?

and PP's reads were terrible and she got hammered for that EXACT reason yet you seem to be acting like they are the foundations of the town and without them we will crumble. again, i don't know why you do not view other dead people's reads with a similar high-regard that you hold PP's reads with.

i feel like you are coasting your way through this game, especially yesterday where you did literally nothing for about a week despite me constantly jabbing you too. i feel like town bacde would not do this in mylo and would be doing more to scumhunt.

syr & bacde: opinions on fuzzy-bulba interactions early on?

[Mac]

For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

You do realize I just won a game as scum, when my partner was lynched early game, right?

I'm not as bad as scum as you think I am.

For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

You do realize I just won a game as scum, when my partner was lynched early game, right?

I'm not as bad as scum as you think I am.

Well I hope you've improved since then. It was your first scum game, iirc.

Why do you hope he has improved as scum?

His scum play in 1337 was dreadful. If he hasn't improved as scum since then, there's something wrong.

I know it was. It lost us the game... but still, bad scum can only be good for the town?

Mac makes a point. Why would you hope a scum game has improved unless you were scum with him yourself?

I like a challenge. If scum are not challenging me, the game's not fun. Plus, we should always be about self-improvement. I've been ragging on Fuzzy about his first scum game for awhile now, but I always hoped he would improve as a player. I'd much rather play with good players than bad ones, as bad ones suck the fun out of everything.

[Mac]

is that the gut that had me as confirmed town by poe?

[Mac]

VOTE: bacde

when you get to hell, tell them kuribo sent you

[Mac]

the bacde read is stronger

[Mac]

actually

wait wait wait

[Mac]

bulba your reads...

1) you said you throwaway your reads in mylo yet you are still going with bacde-town cos of early play despite new evidence which you don't seem to be considering

2) you say you can read Syr based on the fact he would kill you from Donner Party, yet the same kinda tell thing with goodmorning clearly didn't work. why are you giving him a free pass based on some wifom that's not even in this game?

you aren't even throwing away your reads?

im so fucking confused right now

unvote

[Mac]

I'm sitting here staring at the screen with my mouth hanging open

What the actual fuck Mac

can you not see why i am leaning this way

i mean the thought process is pretty fucking clear

[Mac]

i didn't show the wolf. I wanted opinions. I'm still waiting for yours I think? or bacde's. one or the other.

the fact is bacde ignored the questions i asked and the responses to his own questions and has done so for the past two days. this isn't the bacde who replaced into the game and genuinely scumhunted.

[Mac]

it's bulba or bacde.

which it is... is fucking difficult to decide.

[Mac]

DAMN

BACDE

THIS ONES FOR YOU WHEN TOWN WINS!!

[Mac]

also

why did bacde die last night

[Mac]

also also

i had a dream syr was the wolf (side note: HOW SAD IS THAT?)

WHAT IF MY DREAM IS RIGHT?

[Mac]

and finally

mod - limited access until next friday

< will still find some time to post

[Mac]

@mod - I'm going to be v/la until monday, tuesday at the latest. attending a festival out of town.

[Mac]

oh wow. no posts? I know I've been V/LA but what's both of your fucking excuses for this shit?

when I'm not hungover then I will find the wolf. and I will kill it with my bare hands.

meanwhile the other townie could try and pull their finger out of their arse and make themselves obvious to me.

[Mac]

well played syr, awesome job.

was fun playing with most, if not all of you