Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[ActionDan]

I'm about to destroy all of you. And I won't spare the children.

[ActionDan]

LEANING TOWN:
ActionDan

wow really.

I'm still going to murder you

[ActionDan]

Oh look, walls.

Did you /see/ it? There were some pretty scary votes there. It was useful though, I think Muffin is town now. Also, Brian's reaction was pretty odd.

"Odd?" Do tell.

I would have been too, but the self vote kind of made me care less.

I personally wouldn't have minded if the wagon continued on.

I'll be honest: When it comes to this series of questions from Kaze, my instinctive reaction is "kinda sorta feels faked". It's something I can see being legitimate scumhunting, but can also see as being scum faking it.
When it comes to a similar series of questions from Skull, though, my instinctive reaction is, "Oh! Yeah! That's town, alright."

So, why do they feel different?

Vote: Brian

i don't think brian is scum

Is probably town, but I need more to be sure. (Seventh.)

General agreements here, but why do you think so?

Are ya now?

I like Skullduggery for town. I thought I'd have warm fuzzies about Kaze by now, but I don't.

That's cool. You've given me none, either.

I can give you the TL;DR if you'd prefer?

You offer this so soon after bringing up ny 165 and

shaping reads

.

lolparanoia

Okay, maybe one warm fuzzy for you.

Kazekirimaru

If I wanted people to know who I was, I would be on my main account. That being said, you're the only one who really called out my naked vote on Brian. Townpoints to you.

Metadodgers make me sad. I wish I could lynch you just for this reason.

Funny, the former is what this entire post feels like to me

You too, eh?

Indeed, but this wagon feels different. It's not an all-scum wagon, but I'd be surprised if it was mostly or entirely town. Like I said, I'm betting either two or three scum on it. Probs not Skull, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuff, or Brian Skies. But could be Kaze (nullscum), pie (scum), Flandre Scarlet (null), Metal Sonic (nullscum), or orcinus (nullish, maaaaaybe nulltown; difficult to be certain).

What makes this one feel different?

There is not nearly enough evidence to support either of these reads

Hey, someone sees it!

4. Brian Skies
^Also town. Brian Skies gives off the aura of a town player who doesn't give a crap about the wagon on him. He's relaxed, he's casual, and he's also not being a lurkaderp; he's still putting time, effort, and analysis into the game.

What did you think of his selfvote?

And how can you say he's not lurking at this point? The game has been up for two days and he hasn't posted for the latter one.

5. Cabd
^Town. I admittedly do not know Cabd that well; I'm not sure I've seen his scumgame and am not intimately familiar with his towngame. But his posting so far just feels like town, and that's good enough for me.

lol It really shouldn't be.

8. Kagami
^Town. I can see the aura of towniness emitting from Kagami right now, and it is clear as can be.

Agreements. But again, why?

10. macmollie (mac + pirate mollie)
^Fairly decently town. Mollie hasn't done much, but what she has done gave me an immediate townvibe from her.

How?

No but really, mastin, several of your stances are very unsubstantiated and it bugs me.

And someone else sees it!

I wouldn't have voted for Brian if I didn't think he was Scum, so I'm looking more closely at the second scenario right now. The first three people on the Brian wagon were Kaze, Pieguyn, and Flandre. Of those three, Flandre is making me the most uncomfortable. I see nothing but fluff, a naked vote, and what looks like an attempt to produce content just for the sake of producing content.

And my reasoning was so much better?

holy fuck you really are scum
vote: mastin

Let's vote together this whole game, yeah? Apparently we're both town~!

It's not true of the two games that I played with scum-Mastin. And in my prior meta-forays, I found him to be arrogant and confident in some of his town games. But, I don't constantly re-meta or read ALL the games like some players I could mention.

I disagree. PA's LesMis and Mastin's play there disagree, as well.

People ask me this kind of question all the time, and I think it comes down to a communications gap. I can't fully express the gestalt that goes into a read, so I pick some highlights that I think hang together and will resonate. Or maybe I could express the gestalt if I were willing to write really, really long walls that nobody would want to read.

I'd read it!

also you have about two seconds to explain mastin town before I run your ass into the ground for being his partner

Oi, yes. I feel town-pie for sure. I like it.

---

I'm having some troubles this game, I fear. I didn't expect this. I got far too few strong reads from the first few pages. I'm upset.

This is a thing, though:

VOTE: Mastin

Take a little trip with me.

vomit

[ActionDan]

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[ActionDan]

Lyrics: David Zippel


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Let's get down to business - to defeat the Huns
Did they send me daughters when I asked for brothers?
You're the saddest bunch I've ever met
But you can bet before we're through
Mister, I'll make a man out of you

Tranquil as a forest
But on fire within
Once you find your center
You are sure to win
You're a spineless, pale pathetic lot
And you haven't got a clue
Somehow I'll make a man out of you

I'm never gonna catch my breath
Say goodbye to those who knew me
Boy, was I a fool in school for cutting gym
This guy's got 'em scared to death
Hope he doesn't see right through me
Now I really wish that I knew how to swim

Be a man
We must be swift as the coursing river
Be a man
With all the force of a great typhoon
Be a man
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of the moon

Time is racing toward us till the Huns arrive
Heed my every order and you might survive
You're unsuited for the rage of war
So pack up, go home you're through
How could I make a man out of you?

[ActionDan]

Lyrics: David Zippel


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Let's get down to business - to defeat the Huns
Did they send me daughters when I asked for brothers?
You're the saddest bunch I've ever met
But you can bet before we're through
Mister, I'll make a man out of you

Tranquil as a forest
But on fire within
Once you find your center
You are sure to win
You're a spineless, pale pathetic lot
And you haven't got a clue
Somehow I'll make a man out of you

I'm never gonna catch my breath
Say goodbye to those who knew me
Boy, was I a fool in school for cutting gym
This guy's got 'em scared to death
Hope he doesn't see right through me
Now I really wish that I knew how to swim

Be a man
We must be swift as the coursing river
Be a man
With all the force of a great typhoon
Be a man
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of the moon

Time is racing toward us till the Huns arrive
Heed my every order and you might survive
You're unsuited for the rage of war
So pack up, go home you're through
How could I make a man out of you?

I expect a reply.

You must do it in song

[ActionDan]

Votecount 1.5 (No Change)

[7] mastin2 (Angry Frat Bros)

[ActionDan]

there isn't a problem lol

[ActionDan]

Votecount 1.5 (No Change)

[7] mastin2 (Angry Frat Bros)

Dan, vote Cephrir with me and I won't serial kill you tonight.

Seems legit... brother?

[ActionDan]

votehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehimvotehim

Dan might be mafia. his posts look sort of town, but I'm not seeing Dan-town specifically here.

Hey now

[ActionDan]

VOTE: cephir

[ActionDan]

In case there was any confusion I'm playing this game by myself. At least for a while

[ActionDan]

the fact that no one has quoted soul sister for me is criminal.

do it now

[ActionDan]

Song received

[ActionDan]

To win them. To show how devious clever smart and talented I am.


Also I like flavor and getting in character

[ActionDan]

Unvote
Vote: Flandre Scarlet

But he sung me a song

[ActionDan]

Bro

[ActionDan]

She's a claimed bodyguard. Her death one way or another is inevitable

[ActionDan]

ok you probably should save it because Venmar is town as fuck.

[ActionDan]

It just so happens I might be a Mason without knowing it yet. Or else a secret slouth.

[ActionDan]

Let's not harass poor Flandre just yet.

[ActionDan]

FOS: MS

[ActionDan]

Oh right, zMuffin is still hillariously scum. Anyone want to quicklynch that?

I agree with this statement

[ActionDan]

at least they are good reads (so far)

[ActionDan]

btw we won that game of LoL AP

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Flandre

no please why

[ActionDan]

RUBEDO

[ActionDan]

SING TO ME SET ME FREEE

[ActionDan]

But Flandre is my bro.

[ActionDan]

I think I know his main. (JOB, right?)

He's still not a concern

[ActionDan]

As long as moon beams are weighted appropriately it'll be alright.

RUBEDU I NEED A SIGN.

TELL ME YOUR MINE. REBEDU!

[ActionDan]

that's almost like saying the sky is blue.

[ActionDan]

RUBEDO!

GIVE ME A SIGN

SET ME FREE,

RUBEDO!

[ActionDan]

Ceph looks pretty damn town in that post. AFB if you disagree I will want to understand why in excruciating detail.

I remember the last time you said that.

do you remember?

[ActionDan]

I think Dan meant the Faraday uPick, thinking you're nacho.

yup.

[ActionDan]

that ceph post strikes me as null.

[ActionDan]

my sister is a Linguistics major.

[ActionDan]

Beetlejuice?

[ActionDan]

Rubedo give me a sign show me that you're town aligned

[ActionDan]

Rubedu give me a sign, prove to me that you're town aligned

[ActionDan]

ty appreciated

[ActionDan]

To answer skull: yes

[ActionDan]

[ActionDan]

Where is rubedo? At this point just claim it so I can give you Super powers or I'll get role blocked which helps everyone else.


God

[ActionDan]

Al ed o


Sure

VOTE: ms

[ActionDan]

My reason to protect FS from the lynch has vanished mysteriously

[ActionDan]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flandre Scarlet

[ActionDan]

I am the towniest in the game so far.

wouldn't have thought it

[ActionDan]

bro is nicer than angry

hi muffin

BRO is like the nice forgiving mom of this hydra and Im the disappointed dad.

Or maybe I'm the entire hydra and no one has figured it out yet ^_^

Wait what?

I yell at people and ad hom when they're being stupid.

You're 110% third party that wants me to convert you to good. Aren't you?

[ActionDan]

Could you explain your actiondan town read?

you're funny

[ActionDan]

Thanks.

Hi ActionDan. We're Rubedo.

Good thing you said that, I never would have guessed!

[ActionDan]

Thanks.

Hi ActionDan. We're Rubedo.

Good thing you said that, I never would have guessed!

AD, do you have any speculation about Nigredo's alignment?

That ain't me and I don't care!

[ActionDan]

ALBEDO
you white-headed freak, come here and hug your brother

HUGS

[ActionDan]

I happen to win all wifoms because I know wifom's ultimate secret.

[ActionDan]

distancing. such a foreign concept.

Hard buddying is the true path

[ActionDan]

AP, I'm scum and I'm hard buddying Sangres clearly.

(Actually I'm happy with a town read on him)

[ActionDan]

the biggest point against kagami is 1538 which could pass for wanting to hope people gave Flandre time to fakeclaim and out a powerrole CC as she went down.

[ActionDan]

vote kagami

4 pages in few hours that is fun to read

I care more about Kagami staying alive than I did Flandre tbh

[ActionDan]

My mafia experience tells me this town

[ActionDan]

I'm curious too. But I don't think they should answer. At least not for your sake. I'm more curious about what prompted you to ask that question

[ActionDan]

What are the different hoods again?

[ActionDan]

VOTE: zMuffinman

Him mafiassk one of Angry Frat and cephir

For scum

[ActionDan]

Now let's flip this wagon

[ActionDan]

Angry Frat

But I gave you my heart Dan : (

Aw okay then clearly it's Cephrir. I also see you have a taste for dramatic irony

[ActionDan]

Oh I forgot gooner is scum too

[ActionDan]

In fact

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gooner

[ActionDan]

gooner/mafiassk.

either is fine

[ActionDan]

Why is gooner scum, Dan?

I Isoed Flandre and thought she was happy to get off the brian wagon while asking the softest question ever ("what do you think of your wagon brian?")

SSK was never mentioned by her.

[ActionDan]

my professional opinion is that Sangres and Angry Frat BROs are scum distancing. And this is all scum theatrics!

I am so good that I can see right through it!

[ActionDan]

Cabd, input?

[ActionDan]

I meant with that other concern?

[ActionDan]

C++ isn't any better

[ActionDan]

Eh.

[ActionDan]

Activate Code: Beta Epsilon Delta Omicron

Alright for better or worse

##Vote Kagami

I have no idea what'll happen but I hope it's good despite the warnings.

@AP: er, I haven't read into him too much this game tbh. his alignment is undefined. for now.

[ActionDan]

oh that was a hammer btw. yes I was aware. I'll give you this one (AP + suffering scum team)

[ActionDan]

goodbye forever MafiaSSK

[ActionDan]

Ffery, I think scum may have tried to investigate or kill you last night because four people visited you, I'm oneshot watcher.

I crumbed who earlier, in case I die.

LMAO.

one was a scum rolecop I am sure

[ActionDan]

and I targeted him too in order to prep that ability

[ActionDan]

I mean I can guess one's a doc, one's me, one's a scum rolecop/roleblocker, one is ???

[ActionDan]

forgot the bodyguard. that takes precedence over doc saves and stuff so I guess varsoon really was the scum kill + roleblock/rolecop.

I'd out the other two

[ActionDan]

at least vigs should shoot things like SSK.

ftr I thought you were a voyeur since my action is literally undefinable.

I'd have outed it sooner then :/

[ActionDan]

(that's why I didn't hammer until you got back with that)

[ActionDan]

actually iso shows he could be investigative. easily. gdi.

you sure on your town read.

because I wouldn't be.

[ActionDan]

My ability affects me. So I'd think it's positive. no idea what it'll do.

[ActionDan]

that's something I don't get too, investigation target.

[ActionDan]

at least Pie is clear for all the naysayers

[ActionDan]

and that is lol?

[ActionDan]

I can see 5 scum of low power with one being a traitor.

[ActionDan]

like goon goon goon maybe power, traitor power

[ActionDan]

especially with the flavor cabd brought up

[ActionDan]

VOTE: mafiassk

I don't believe pieguyn was the N1 mafia kill. Because that's retarded.

Also if mafiassk were town he would have been shot

[ActionDan]

Also still got it. My ability to play this game well

[ActionDan]

Makes me think one of mastin and kaze is a serial killer

[ActionDan]

No you dalek

[ActionDan]

If ssk wasn't scum he was a power role that scum neither killed nor roleblocked.

[ActionDan]

I'm taking a guess that if pie wasn't BP when saving people he wouldn't have saved anyone

[ActionDan]

I wish I hadn't gotten trolled

[ActionDan]

Dan conspiracy. Why don't I have a cop result right now?

[ActionDan]

U suck

[ActionDan]

No one shoots a bodyguard.

They shoot town people they don't know the roles of.

this is.

mafia 101.

[ActionDan]

No. We lynch mafiassk

[ActionDan]

Which means that you think ActionDan tried to kill Sangres on Night 1, right? Why is ActionDan-Scum more plausible than SSK-Scum in your eyes?

lmao. I can't tell if this is busywork or not. in either case you should feel bad presenting this as if mastin is low enough to think it

[ActionDan]

sangres was likely the kill N1. he didn't die because Pie protected him.

no one gives a fuck what happened n2.

[ActionDan]

Tbh past behavior shouldn't dictate future behavior of the sk.

[ActionDan]

Serial aimed for town because scum was lynched D1. If we mislynch town today sk may try to kill scum. It's a balancing act

[ActionDan]

Because he's scum and everyone knows it

[ActionDan]

Then hammered

[ActionDan]

Hey ap, trollolololololol. Derpppppp] pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

[ActionDan]

Also gone

[ActionDan]

VOTE: zMuffinman

Him mafiassk one of Angry Frat and cephir

For scum

Oh I forgot gooner is scum too

In fact

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gooner

gooner/mafiassk.

either is fine

Why is gooner scum, Dan?

I Isoed Flandre and thought she was happy to get off the brian wagon while asking the softest question ever ("what do you think of your wagon brian?")

SSK was never mentioned by her.

I am the best. Bow before my greatness.

[ActionDan]

Dan, are those all your reads you've had? Your most recent ones?

those are indeed all the scum reads I've ever had.

besides the people who are town

[ActionDan]

Because it suffered greatly by calling them town in the hood N2 amiright?

Herpaderp

[ActionDan]

/bitter

[ActionDan]

Just for the record it's likely we'll lynch scum today . I haz secrets

[ActionDan]

O I see how it is

[ActionDan]

It's been fun.

VOTE: skull

[ActionDan]

Can I get a role block on mastin

[ActionDan]

Last ssk vote looked like a bus vote

[ActionDan]

Oh muffin will today be the day you become useful?

Sangres deserves coal

[ActionDan]

T.hat list isn't bad. Guess I could vote aegor

[ActionDan]

I think it's funny how cephir trolled himself into getting shot by the sk by soft claiming roleblocker

[ActionDan]

Update your game ap

[ActionDan]

I am liking Skull's posts more and more. Will review claims made therein.

really because post 2472 was terrible.

[ActionDan]

He feels weird.

Cease this begging for further inquiry at once young man! Because it annoys me! Roar!

If I don't have townreads on orcinus and Metal Sonic by page 10 we should lynch them, just a heads up.

explain plz

also why SSK?

I've seen both of those players be town and in all cases they have struck me as very obviously town.
Also, NY 167.

I voted SSK because a wise man did before me.

huh. is it bc of his comment about zmuffin flipping super-saint? scum are more aware of super-saints and in this case it wouldn't even affect him. so I'm inclined to agree that post feels off

vote: Brian

what are your thoughts on sangres so far?

I like this post!

skull is just a good lynch in any case.

associations from Cephir favor it. favors Kaze lynch. favors Orc lynch.

@cut.

[ActionDan]

Your case on skull was more likely to be on scum than your aegor one (mafia aligned)

[ActionDan]

It's possible you were jail kept I suppose

[ActionDan]

I agree. Vig that thing

[ActionDan]

Ap has served his purpose. I can confirm in fact that both inventions have indeed landed. (Clearly I got the first d1). But who has the 2nd?. It is a mystery

[ActionDan]

Also can the cop please finally have a guilty. Gosh

[ActionDan]

VOTE: skull

[ActionDan]

Just that he soft claimed into oblivion

[ActionDan]

When did ms reveal it? In thread?

[ActionDan]

Ok that's pretty bad.

[ActionDan]

A good counter point my friend. There's always hoping the sk makes the kill. Signals are Op

[ActionDan]

Drat. My secret plan to win without ever posting again has been foiled. Hurry up and lynch a body guys

[ActionDan]

orcinus is a claimed jk.

[ActionDan]

Orcinus has to appear and call out a jail target for tonight before hammer on anyone

[ActionDan]

at least you can clear someone on the way out.

Yes exactly. It's literally impossible to mess with that

[ActionDan]

So screw protecting anyone. Go for the block. You'll die anyway

[ActionDan]

I would love to eat a NK because I have no idea what I'm doing

Protecting between Action Dan, Gooner and Mollie, as sangres suggested. Reasoning for this is that if i have a scum in that list, all the scumteam is going to do is just have someone else do the night actions. it's better to use my action as a doc instead

No please dont. There's only one scum left. Non-bp sk is weak to mafia balance dictates 4 in 20 anyway. You're not protecting us either scum will kill you 100000000%

[ActionDan]

I think finishing the massclaim would be a good start, but that there's more to analyze.

If there was no protection/block, then the mafia likely killed Aegor. Aegor therefore had to have been a threat, and not rolecopped before the nightkill on him. (You, uh...don't nightkill a BP Serial Killer knowing they're BP. ) Additionally, the mafiate knowing the kill on Aegor failed would likely have suspicions, which makes it likely that the mafiate was on Aegor's wagon the day after Cephrir's death.

No we aren't finishing massclaim. Orcinus targets one of the claimed vanillas, the end.

GLOBAL ROLEBLOCK = nothing happens except Ageor kills Ceph.

Aegor probably killed Pie N1.

[ActionDan]

lolololol also that

[ActionDan]

Muffin use probabilities especially when orcinus_theoriginal is gonna die anyway.

[ActionDan]

beep boop

[ActionDan]

beep boop?

[ActionDan]

who did Pidgey replace again?

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Metal Sonic

*content*

[ActionDan]

Gg?

[ActionDan]

Hi kaze. You comfirmed. Please pat yourself on the back.

Mollie how's the invention treating you? I expect a cop report in your next post

[ActionDan]

lol

1 sk silly

[ActionDan]

How is action dan again?

If you look at my avatar there's a lot of green there.

And skull will never be put into a town read for me.

This game shall be won on roles

All hail the power of the role

[ActionDan]

No I'm VT

[ActionDan]

no, and we won't yet.

(massclaim)

[ActionDan]

With JK dead i dont see a massclaim fucking us at this point in time

how about no.

[ActionDan]

You're a claimed VT. your death tonight = lol doubtful

[ActionDan]

I will, at some point, devote 1/1000th of my energy to this.

that's maybe 7-8 sec of time.

oh wait just satisfied my quota

[ActionDan]

hmm.

I mean this game is like. dead to me.

I guess I'll give it a try tomorrow.

[ActionDan]

hi?

[ActionDan]

Eh.

VOTE: Mollie

[ActionDan]

He requested it I believe. But it seriously doesn't matter

[ActionDan]

let's vote mollie

[ActionDan]

I want to purge the rest of the 5-man quicktopic

[ActionDan]

Shitty lynched are shitty

[ActionDan]

Shitty lynched are shitty

Please do not fail to post for a day phase while being thought confirmed town and then post things like this thanks.

Heh

[ActionDan]

3 days ago I thought it was skull. But skull escaped the lynch. Was sad.

I'll effort I guess. Nacho didn't give anything in the qt but there may be something in the other qt

[ActionDan]

That's cool but I think I'll pick the scum to lynch today .

Who knows it might be you

[ActionDan]

For the record heh was directed at thought to be confirmed town but choose because I was off put by the post.

[ActionDan]

Anyway let's all hug it out lots of bitterness from all parties

[ActionDan]

lalalalalala

[ActionDan]

Oh I suppose I should add that it's very likely town has another pr so if one claims we should treat it as town

[ActionDan]

The ssk lynch should be read with the idea that all the scum knew he was getting lynched in their heart of hearts

[ActionDan]

About the inventions. I got mine n1. It's a one time only commute. Usable whenever. AP gave the 2nd to cephir. But lol ascetic. He attempted to give it N3 to mollie who claimed she didn't get it. 1shot global rber sk dies so he probably used rb. AP dies. Mollie claims no invention. Neither me nor sangres got it ever. Where did it go? Maybe the rb destroyed it. Maybe it went to scum. Al had no reason not to give it to mollie in lieu of me or sangres

[ActionDan]

Look it's either skull or mollie for scum. Like that's just how it is

[ActionDan]

I kinda think it's skull more than mollie

[ActionDan]

I need to go I need to go back to sleep

[ActionDan]

Or play a lol game

[ActionDan]

This would be a perfect time for a cocktail

[ActionDan]

gonna work on this today

[ActionDan]

VOTE: pirate mollie

Skullduggery is scum but w.e.

[ActionDan]

Also mastin is town

[ActionDan]

Muffin could be scum. I have him as the last pr tho.

[ActionDan]

Ap confirmed for worst inventor

[ActionDan]

Where is la dead thread

[ActionDan]

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/VhRc77k9NMKk