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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:57 pm

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VOTE: Mina

Did you laugh when you looked at your role PM?
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Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:02 pm

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In post 5, notscience wrote:VOTE: Mala

Get off my scumbud!
Thanks for that helpful information!
In post 6, bazinga wrote:VOTE: Tammy

Can't touch my vote.
*touches*

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Also :P at Chamber!

You know that is a lie, a total lie. :P
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Post Post #10 (isolation #2) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:06 pm

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In post 9, bazinga wrote:mala i will be so sad if you arent lynched cos you are so lynchable you know that
I'm 1-shot unlynchable townie though >.>

Butttttttt in all seriousness.

I know I'm lynchbait. But why so sad? Does this mean you are banking me on being lynched. :P
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Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:32 pm

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Oh, Mina, Mina, Mina.

Discussing this pre-game wasn't how I wanted this lynch to happen!
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Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:35 pm

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Please refer to this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=21129

to tell how to read Mollie from any of her hydra partners

<3<3

(unless ofc it's with Mac. Then you're fucked.~)
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Post Post #26 (isolation #5) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:42 pm

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In post 25, Hanzo_5 wrote:UNVOTE: Notscience

VOTE: Bazinga

I dont like hydras, my vote will remain here until there is a better place for it.
This is really, really stupid.

You do realize there's more than one hydra playing, right?
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Post Post #31 (isolation #6) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:44 pm

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Mina y so serious.

I was joking in whatever post number you referenced of mine.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #7) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:58 pm

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In post 33, bazinga wrote:
In post 31, Malakittens wrote:Mina y so serious.
can some1 help why is mala getting weird on me and talking to confscum

does anyone disagree on mina thing as scum

Also you should be able to answer why I'm getting weird on you.

Can you explain why you aren't voting this confscum?
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Post Post #52 (isolation #8) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:54 pm

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In post 47, Mina wrote:
In post 36, bazinga wrote:mollie has not posted in this game yet but when she does none of you will get off easy. bazinga!!!

#YOLO
Bert, please stop the stupid games and say if you've believed anything you've argued this game, or it was all just an attempt to look like mollie.

Hanzoooooo, where are you?
I think it was genuinely Mollie, but I'm now questioning it also. I can sometimes be right or wrong on reading her in forum mafia and this post by Bert makes me question whatever I had been feeling on the slot in general.

I did however really like your it gave me the warm and fuzzies and kinda mirror what I'm thinking, but some points I do disagree with (Medea/bert&mollie).

UNVOTE: Mina

@Preedit:

Chamber. :(
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Post Post #82 (isolation #9) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:46 am

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In post 55, Medea the Alien wrote:I vaguely like that Hanzo_5 basically made two RVS votes. Not sure why mollie's atypically ceding D1 hydra control to Bert, and hydra head impersonation shenanigans don't help.
In post 41, chamber wrote:And then NK me so that I'm in fewer games.
Don't love this. Nothing I can put my finger on. Cabd's probably going to have a better handle on him for now though.

Mina, null or scum on Osseus?

Mala's about as town as I've ever seen her.

--PA
I actually thought it was Mollie because she was around posting elsewhere. Which really mindfucks any read I wanted to throw on that slot. I hate mindgames in general.

I don't take much into that quote from Chamber, tbf. Maybe for me it's knowing how he plays from a hydra or just in general. (I can go more in depth here if you like.)
In post 56, Mina wrote:
Malakittens:


1) What do you disagree on re: Medea and bazinga? I don't think I ever committed to a read on bazinga (it's pending on how they answer some questions).

2) Please elaborate:
In post 52, Malakittens wrote:I think it was genuinely Mollie, but I'm now questioning it also. I can sometimes be right or wrong on reading her in forum mafia and this post by Bert makes me question whatever I had been feeling on the slot in general.
This whole thing is really vague and hedging. What had you "been feeling on the slot" before Bert's post? Also, "I can sometimes be right or wrong on reading her" is completely meaningless.

3) You're adorable. Just thought you should know. <3
1. I disagree on Medea because I can sometimes read PA half better than I could ever read the cabd half of the hydra. Cabd being trolly in his OP isn't something I see as alignment indicative. (However my past experience in trying to read PA went sour because I recently mislynched her Day 1 in a completed game because I thought her lurking when she was posting elsewhere was alignment indicative of her being scum and only appearing after I called her out on it.) So basically Medea is null to me rather than how you have them leaning scum.

2. You will probably see that a lot when it comes to Mollie also. I tend to hedge a lot on my read to her because she's recently been able to impersonate her town meta into her scum meta. I do *think* I might have two recent new scum tells of hers, but I need to wait in order to prove them. One of the things Bert did (more specially post made me pretty sure that was Mollie posting in general. Mollie has a tendency to post like that when it comes to me. I was pretty sure she was town based on p1 and up to the point before Bert posted what he posted. You say that me saying "I could be right or wrong on reading her" is meaningless to you, but it's not and it's 100% true. Most recent scum game of Mollie I basically defended her from a lynch because I was pretty damn sure she was town and it's not the first time I have done that either so I do know for sure she's pretty good at fooling me and I like to poke at her before declaring a super read on her. (Paranoia I guess.)

3. You are adorable too<3.
In post 58, Ampersand wrote:
Vote: Mina


For future reference, all of our posts will be made jointly, which does mean we won't be posting during working hours.
Not really liking the naked vote.
In post 64, BROseidon wrote: by Mala and the tailend of about "why hydra x" is bad and should feel bad.
In post 29, Medea the Alien wrote:/confirm exactly 1,531 mason points with Bro
Obligatory fakeclaiming masons with Cabd. Too bad kuribo/DGB aren't in the game.

Rest of Mina interactions read okay.

Chamber's probably town.

VOTE: EVIL KITTIES
Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
In post 65, Hanzo_5 wrote: @Malakittens, why is post stupid?

Yes I realize there is more than one hydra playing.
First you voted lazy, imo. Second, you came into this game knowing there was hydra's. I'm kinda interested to see if you have had this hydra hate in prior games of yours or if it's just a new thing. Third, I was townreading that hydra at the time so it felt off.

I just hated the fact you singled that hydra out.
In post 68, bazinga wrote:Sorry guys, my brain was fried last night and I was messing around.
In post 52, Malakittens wrote:I think it was genuinely Mollie, but I'm now questioning it also.
Those post were precisely what I would say if I were impersonating Mollie, and I just wanted to have a little fun at the beginning. Regrettably, it is true Mollie has not posted in this game yet.
In post 56, Mina wrote:Mala just doesn't strike me as a particularly confident or vocal player in general.
From past games, I know that she can be rather confident if she thinks she's right.
In post 38, Malakittens wrote:Can you explain why you aren't voting this confscum?
It was my signal that I knew he/she was joking about the investigation results. Instead of pointing out how there was no N0 and that scum don't scumclaim like that, I played along and waited to see how people would dismiss his/her case on his/herself.
Yeah, I kinda want to hate your guts for impersonating her. I hate mindgames which has already been stated. I tend to use early pages to read out Mollie than in later pages and you kinda fucked it up for me. Now with my luck, I'll be questioning which head is posting for the reminder of the game.

Yeah; so you basically used Mina's posts the same way I was to gauge reactions of others.
In post 70, Ghatokaca wrote:Penguin, what about Mala seems town to you?

Malakittens, why do you refer to yourself as "lynchbait?" I got the opposite impression from your play in the only game we played together.

So far, I am getting townvibes from Mina. I don't think the gambit makes her town or scum, but I feel that her posts and analysis since then are advancing the gamestate, and the way she is giving out reads and questioning players feels genuine.

I dislike ToastyToast's . Toasty, if they are experienced players, would they not be comfortable putting themselves out there as scum?

~ F-16
I haven't been playing well in recent games and I'm pretty easily seen as lynchbait. (at least in my opinion.) I have my own difference of opinion in that game because I played really bad by pushing a lynch on a player because I thought he was scum and then letting one scum off the hook and not knowing which way to go when you/Nacho&Bert were arguing.

I also *thought* I was responding to Mollie and I *thought* she was referencing a f2f mafia joke rather than a site joke because unless I was a mason I was lynched in most games in F2F mafia during the reckoning.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #10) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:23 pm

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In post 83, bazinga wrote:mala is town and so is penny yaye!

also I thought i did post in this game but sincerely mebbe I haven't.
Mollie (I think?) can you explain the Peng read? I'm worried about the early townread of the slot because the first post by Peng doesn't stick much out for me other than the really early post because she tends to lurk out Day 1 before posting as either alignment..
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Post Post #88 (isolation #11) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:35 pm

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In post 85, notscience wrote:HI MOLLIE
Can you do something productive?

Like maybe say comment on things that have happened...

Like for starters:

Hanzo's vote.
Mina's reaction tests.
Bert's posts.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #12) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:39 pm

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In post 89, bazinga wrote:NOTTY MALA WANTS TO SEE YOU TURN ON THAT HIGH-POWERED SCUMDAR THAT YOU HAVE COS SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME WHEN I TRIED TO TELL HER ABOUT HOW YOU SLAUGHTERED SCUM IN SKYPE SO CAN DO THAT AND MAKE HER HAPPY? TY <3
What are you talking about?
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Post Post #125 (isolation #13) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:08 pm

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Mollie why are you being so passive?

I'm not sure how I felt about Zdenek's wagon comment. I gotta sleep on that.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:17 pm

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Why can't you explain it now, why exactly?..

I feel like you are testing the waters Zdenek and I don't like it.

VOTE: Zdenek
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Post Post #134 (isolation #15) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:24 pm

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In post 129, BROseidon wrote:
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
Because it indicates you looking to be spoon fed an answer instead of trying to think about the motivation behind Hanzo's vote as either alignment.

It should have been obvious why Hanzo's vote went to Bazinga over the other hydras.
Maybe I do want to be spoon fed an answer! I really do not get why you are defending him so hard over one post while attacking me / voting me in only a grand total of two of your posts.

I really don't give a crap that he voted for a hydra. it's the reason why he voted for the hydra. It was lazy as fuck. I know Hanzo was talking to the hydra, but Bazinga wasn't the only hydra in Page 1 to post. Singling Bazinga out while to me was being obv town was a REALLY bad vote.

I have seen scum hide behind the vote of "Oh I hate hydras. They ruin games because of hydra diss or they ruin games because they aren't normal or they ruin games because they don't sign their posts." Hating hydras isn't a good reason to vote a player, plain and simple.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #16) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:41 pm

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In post 135, BROseidon wrote:And there are good reasons to vote for people by the top of page two?
In post 136, BROseidon wrote:
In post 25, Hanzo_5 wrote:UNVOTE: Notscience

VOTE: Bazinga

I dont like hydras,
my vote will remain here until there is a better place for it.
POST 25 MALA.

HE EVEN ADMITS THAT HE'S GOING TO MOVE IT ONCE SOMETHING BETTER COMES ALONG.

WHY ARE YOU SO GODDAMN TOUCHY ABOUT AN RVS VOTE.
I don't care if he was going to move it once something better comes along.

IT WAS A LAZY VOTE.

Why are you so content on defending him?....
In post 139, chamber wrote:Its not clear to me who you are talking to there, bro?
He's talking to me if it's his last two posts you are referring too.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #17) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:19 pm

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Woo, another vote on me!

Poke at one player and get voted by two.

@Hanzo:

Mollie the one head of the Bazinga hydra has a very easy to read pattern without her having to sign. Trust me I know this because of the million games I have played with her solo or even as her hydra partner or her being in a hydra.

My gut is saying that one of {Hanzo or BRO} are scum. Could be either or could be both. I just find the vote on me by BRO odd and as for Hanzo the whole attitude towards the hydra. I just feel like something is off in regards to what is currently happening.

@Cabd:

Eh, the RVS vote didn't stick out much to me. I know there's a reason why you are highlighting this out which probably parallels to the Sixty's game. [?]

@Bert:

I figured Mollie would have tried to interact with some players, but hasn't really. Hence the question, "Why are you being so passive."

@Notscience:

Want to keep your sticky rvs on me or do you want to move it?
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Post Post #190 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:21 pm

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In post 177, bazinga wrote:
In post 170, Hanzo_5 wrote:You did not like it because, 1)you felt it was lazy,
2)You were town reading the hydra i voted for at the time.
3) I came into this game knowing there were hydras.
Mala was not townreading Bazinga (our hydra) early on in this game, much less on page 2!
In post 170, Hanzo_5 wrote:When i find someone scummy to vote for I will do that in the meantime I am fine with lynching Bazinga as a last resort. I do not like hydras because they can be confusing. I would have been more inclined to simply unvote but, Bazinga is not signing posts and imitating mollie's behavior.
(1) I have not been imitating mollie's behavior ever since the beginning of the game. What is suspicious, as Mala has pointed out, is that you singled out ONE hydra out of the five in the game for reasons that would apply to ALL hydras here. I can't see from your POV why you appear so frustrated and inexperienced when hydras aren't new to mafia here. Faulty logic again and again - I gave you a pass during RVS, but we are way past that!

(2) Why are we a last resort?? Do you actually believe in your case on us (bazinga), that you could justify a lynch on it?? It doesn't seem that way, with the "I'll only lynch them as a last resort" thing.

Actually, I was on the early stages of wanting to townread Mollie's part of the posts, yes. So the beginning back of what he quoted is true.
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Post Post #192 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:32 pm

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In post 191, Zdenek wrote:Thoughts on Medea's BS please.
I haven't read back, but have you explained your scum reads on both Medea and Hanzo considering you wanted wagons on them?

Won't answer you until you have fully explained that.

Plus, I'm better at reading the other head of the Medea hydra. Cabd is an open mystery to me~
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Post Post #199 (isolation #20) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:39 pm

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In post 197, Zdenek wrote:
In post 192, Malakittens wrote:
In post 191, Zdenek wrote:Thoughts on Medea's BS please.
I haven't read back, but have you explained your scum reads on both Medea and Hanzo considering you wanted wagons on them?

Won't answer you until you have fully explained that.

Plus, I'm better at reading the other head of the Medea hydra. Cabd is an open mystery to me~
I've explained Medea completely.
Now, read my posts and vote them.
Yeeeep, nope. Demanding something won't fly with me.

As I said; I'm not good at reading Cabd the head you are currently talking too.
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Post Post #223 (isolation #21) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:57 pm

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I was going to respond to Bro, but my brain is fired so it has to wait before or after work whichever comes first. I'm way too tired for arguing over semantics and shit like that.

Good to know that Hanzo plans to tunnel me too.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #22) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:11 am

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I'm on my phone because well the place I'm at my computer won't connect to their free wifi. ._.

I can't quote because I can't and won't wall on a phone.

I still can't reply to BRO's post because its on another page than this current one so going to reply to things on this page and read backwards when I finally connect to wifi.

Question to ask: mina how many times have you played with Mollie in forum mafia?
@Malakittens, what is your current read of Mina, Bazinga, Medea, Notscience and Me[Hanzo_5]?

I do apologize if my engagement with you feels personal. I sincerely assure you that it is not, you have pinged my scum radar. I need to follow up on my reads.
Mina, Bazinga - town
Notscience - null-leaning town.
Medea - null, but gut is saying town? Only thing that bothers me, but could be nothing is how Peng has already engaged this day phrase so early. It's a null tell because she's not generally active during Day 1 as both alignments. But my gut is saying she's probably town.
Hanzo - leaning scum. As I said I believe there's at least one scum in {BRO , you}. Half of my feeling here is gut and the second is interactions.

Sorry if my last comment felt like I was taking it personally, but I wasn't. I try to avoid taking things in forum less personal lately because it takes the fun out of it for me. However you are fine so no need for apologizes.

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I need to read Toasty. He seems to be focusing a lot on Mina only, but want to check to see if that's true or my mind is adding things that aren't really there.

Also I have never played with French before, but CES (twice?) so my read on them might be based off gut and not any experience I have playing with them. I didn't like their first post coming into the game, but I really do like 238.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #23) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:00 am

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In post 240, notscience wrote:@Mala I'll move it when I figure out who I want it on :P
Eh, not sure why, but I don't like this.

Anyways off to work. Should be back on my 2x15mins for breaks.
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Post Post #248 (isolation #24) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:53 pm

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In post 214, BROseidon wrote:Updated Mala case go:
In post 26, Malakittens wrote:
In post 25, Hanzo_5 wrote:UNVOTE: Notscience

VOTE: Bazinga

I dont like hydras, my vote will remain here until there is a better place for it.
This is really, really stupid.

You do realize there's more than one hydra playing, right?
Original point I brought up.
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:1. I disagree on Medea because I can
sometimes
read PA half better than I could
ever
Why the semantic contradiction here?
read the cabd half of the hydra. Cabd being trolly in his OP isn't something I see as alignment indicative. (
However my past experience in trying to read PA went sour because I recently mislynched her Day 1 in a completed game because I thought her lurking when she was posting elsewhere was alignment indicative of her being scum and only appearing after I called her out on it.
Why the additional qualification on the "sometimes" aspect of being able to read penguin. I probably have more games with penguin than anyone else in this game, and I'll just say outright that I can't read her that well. No need for the waffling
) So basically Medea is null to me rather than how you have them leaning scum.
WHY DID WE NEED THIS WHOLE FUCKING PARAGRAPH. ALSO, WHY THE EXPECTATION OF A DEVELOPED READ ON A PLAYER BY POST 82 OF THE THREAD?
Way too long-winded. Way too hedged. Other comments in my mod-color.

Next paragraph is similarly hedged and terrible.
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
Failure to understand that I wasn't calling her out on her position, but rather on how she engaged Hanzo's point (i.e., asking "WHY BAZINGA" instead of coming to the obvious conclusion that it had to do with page 1 activity). Consider this roughly in line with how I first caught mastin out in Anything Goes (his failure to understand my town read on Ghostlin while having to engage with it b/c I can perfectly read Ghostlin).
In post 134, Malakittens wrote:Maybe I do want to be spoon fed an answer! I really do not get why you are defending him so hard over one post while attacking me / voting me in only a grand total of two of your posts.
Misrep of my position in the game (stating I have a Hanzo-town position when I've stated no position on Hanzo).
In post 134, Malakittens wrote:I really don't give a crap that he voted for a hydra. it's the reason why he voted for the hydra. It was lazy as fuck. I know Hanzo was talking to the hydra, but Bazinga wasn't the only hydra in Page 1 to post. Singling Bazinga out while to me was being obv town was a REALLY bad vote.

I have seen scum hide behind the vote of "Oh I hate hydras. They ruin games because of hydra diss or they ruin games because they aren't normal or they ruin games because they don't sign their posts." Hating hydras isn't a good reason to vote a player, plain and simple.
Justifying an overreaction to an RVS vote.
In post 142, Malakittens wrote:I don't care if he was going to move it once something better comes along.

IT WAS A LAZY VOTE.

Why are you so content on defending him?....
Continued failure to understand that RVS is a thing + continued misrep of my position.

Pedit: No, god dammit I fucking hate walling unless it's for full cases. It puts a lot of unrelated points into a single post that makes shit harder to read (post breaks serve as natural paragraph breaks to separate ideas), AND IT FUCKING MAKES IT HARDER TO QUOTE SHIT. WALLING FOR REASONS THAT AREN'T CASES OR READS LISTS IS EXPLICITLY ANTI-TOWN BEHAVIOR.
Why the semantic contradiction? Because I'm not an arrogant person who believes they can confidently say they can read one person. I believe I'm just starting to figure out how to read Penguin. Cabd I have played multiple games with and still to this day can't read him for shit. So, I'm an indecisive little fuck when it comes to this hydra. I believe I'm starting to get the hang of reading her so therefore "sometimes" is accurate because I can pinpoint scum-Peng right, but after a while I drop the read. I wanted to make a paragraph so fuck it I'll make a paragraph.

Ps, don't compare me to Mastin. I'll never be like Mastin not at all. Two people are completely different just because you called out someone for something in another game doesn't mean you will be right in this one.

I still don't get why you are bugging out so hardcore. So yes your interactions with me currently makes me think you are flat out scum, but I can't tell if you are attacking me because you are scum buddies with Hanzo or because you are trying to get some type of cred if Hanzo were to get lynched and flip town, a "I told you so; so to speak of."

Not an overreaction, but okaaay.


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In post 218, BROseidon wrote:Looks like I'm gonna have to start calling everyone shit at this game soon...
This by you is full of emotional manipulation. Someone doesn't agree with you so you outright say "oh looks like I'm going to call everyone shit at this game soon."
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Post Post #262 (isolation #25) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:23 pm

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In post 257, Hanzo_5 wrote:The Malakittens wagon requires more votes to lynch Malakittens. Is their anyone willing to place more votes on this wagon?
No.
In post 258, Zdenek wrote:
Mala
In post 245, Zdenek wrote:Why don't you just give me your take on what I've had to say about them recently.

Hanzo
In post 245, Zdenek wrote:Your turn Hanzo.
I already read it. I already stated my stance on Hanzo and I already stated my stance on Medea when Hanzo asked me about my reads.

I been pretty open about how I'm sure there's one scum in {Hanzo, BRO}.
In post 259, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 239, Malakittens wrote:Medea - null, but gut is saying town? Only thing that bothers me, but could be nothing is how Peng has already engaged this day phrase so early. It's a null tell because she's not generally active during Day 1 as both alignments. But my gut is saying she's probably town.
This is my third post...I'm not exactly wreaking havoc around here.
I'm not exactly saying you are wreaking havoc around here. I'm just saying I wasn't expecting a post from you by page 3. I was actually taken back by it because I expected you to come in later because that's the behavior that I have attributed to you from the past. {AGM, OGM, MP}

The more I do think about it. I'm actually seeing more town-Peng traits than scum-Peng traits in your posts. You have this weirdish scum-tell which I pinged you during Mastin's game, but you aren't actually doing it now.

In post 260, Hanzo_5 wrote:
@Zdenek,
I am reading Malakittens as scum. Everyone else is null to me.

What is your current read of Malakittens? Would you be willing to lynch Malakittens in D1?
._.

How is everyone else null?

Seriously, please tell me with a straight face that you do not have one town read. Not one townread?..
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Post Post #267 (isolation #26) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:35 pm

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In post 266, bazinga wrote:
In post 260, Hanzo_5 wrote:
@Zdenek,
I am reading Malakittens as scum. Everyone else is null to me.

What is your current read of Malakittens? Would you be willing to lynch Malakittens in D1?
the reason you are looking scummy hanzo is that you are missing obvious social cues that mala is very obviously town. I personally do not know what to do with that especially if you are insisting on being stubborn about it. like you are not even trying to talk to peeps who know her

@ mala

am wondering about penny! her not realising that it was bert posting in spite of bert saying that he was posting at that time worries me like in a big way.

eta: zden srsly?
yes, but her posts... Are qualities of town-Peng. Mara could not understand my scum-tell on her back in NY. She's legit not doing it right now so I'm really thinking she's town..(that or I'm letting my gut control what my mind posts.)
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Post Post #279 (isolation #27) » Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:57 pm

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She went to sleep, not passed out because she was drinking.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #28) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:12 am

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What does the fox say?

Okay so my problem with hanzo is this. There's nothing for me to reply to him. I replied to all of his questions and if I missed any let me know and ill address them. I can't defend myself if the point you are making is the same thing. I don't like how you are tunneling me and not getting other reads. You dont need to interact to get townreads the fact you aren't hunting anyone, but me is crazy. This applies to bro too and an extent to chamber.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #29) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:55 pm

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Chamber is doing what he did in Macbeth Mafia in regards to me. ._.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #30) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:07 pm

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In post 309, notscience wrote:Wasn't he town?
Yes, but he's like ignoring me or not commenting on me which he did in macbeth
In post 310, chamber wrote:Yeah Macbeth is probably a good game to compare me to this game. Feels about the same.
Why did you have to make my gut ping due to this. I really just hope you aren't faking this now.
In post 311, notscience wrote:That's great because I remember about 10% of that entire game
Well tbh you got lynched for stupid shit~
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Post Post #358 (isolation #31) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:13 pm

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....

You wanted them to answer a question and they just did.

What's the problem?..
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Post Post #370 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:43 am

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In post 364, chamber wrote:
In post 312, Malakittens wrote:Why did you have to make my gut ping due to this. I really just hope you aren't faking this now.
Honestly I hadn't made any ignoring you connection. I think the similarities lie elsewhere. I'm likely ignoring you now (as you claim I did then) because interacting with you doesn't seem like it would yield much information.
It's more I put your name in a comment with the same line of BRO and Hanzo. I was expecting maybe you to like glance at it or at least do something, but there was nothing which was very similar to how you brushed off me in Macbeth mafia.

Also

UNVOTE: fox
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Post Post #378 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:21 am

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In post 376, Hanzo_5 wrote:
In post 374, notscience wrote:
In post 371, Ghatokaca wrote:In post 79, notscience wrote:
Don't mind me, just going to fluffpost until I get called scummy for it

^scum
^bullshit
@Notscience,
You are appearing to be scummier to me with every post you submit. What have you done so far that you consider pro-town? Why is it considered pro-town?

__

Can we get more pressure on the Malakittens wagon? It would appear that you all are either splitting votes or not voting Malakittens because you are town-reading Malakittens. If you are town reading her, and it is not a gut reason, Do provide your analysis that lead to that conclusion. If you are not town-reading her please argue as to why your lynch candidate should take precidence.

Lets get this game moving forward.
People have been giving you reasons for townreading me and yet you are either ignoring them because you don't take much into "lolmeta" or I don't know what.

@Notscience:

You are a dork.
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Post Post #380 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:26 am

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In post 379, notscience wrote:
In post 378, Malakittens wrote:@Notscience:

You are a dork.
I giggled

Thoughts on Nacho's catchup post?
Need to see more.

I have a hard time reading Nacho, surprisingly.
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Post Post #383 (isolation #35) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:48 am

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My vote would probably land on either you or BRO. I haven't voted yet because I'm still digesting how town-BRO tried to use a similar approach in two recent games and ended up being wrong. (Xeno II against Fery/GiF and Alud's micro {I forget against who[?]}) I'm interested in what Peng's read about you, so I'm just waiting to see what comes of you if you are going to keep being stubborn and tunneling or if you are going to go elsewhere. The thing is you being stubborn and when I flip it's going to look bad so I'm applying in my head, "Why would scum be this hardheaded against a mislynch". Which tend in that logic makes me think possible town, but as I said I can't ignore the interactions between you and BRO. Please don't confuse me with saying if one of you happened to flip town that auto confscum the other in my head because it doesn't.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #36) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:09 am

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In post 384, bazinga wrote:
In post 380, Malakittens wrote:
In post 379, notscience wrote:
In post 378, Malakittens wrote:@Notscience:

You are a dork.
I giggled

Thoughts on Nacho's catchup post?
Need to see more.

I have a hard time reading Nacho, surprisingly.
this makes me go yuck

nacho's catchup post is awful but I am too chickenshit to go after him but I am really sus of any1 who thinks that was town nacho in any way. like that was srsly scumnacho posting
I never said it felt town or scum nacho though.

I really have had a hard time reading him though in the last two recent scum nacho's game I been fooly blinded. Town Nacho I have an easier time if he posts more, but I can't get a read off one post so "Need to see more" is super accurate.

I was royally pissed that I died WITH a guilty on Nacho in OGM. I mean I think I was royally pissed at that game as a whole, but that's a different story.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #37) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:44 am

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Okay so I'm annoyed as fuck so I'm cranky as fuck its not due to this game. Please note that so do not take any aggressiveness/bitchness etc as 'OMG she's scum because she's nasty!'

Hanzo just link me to the freaking case. Maybe I haven't touched on it because either I thought I have or it's not popping out on me, Kay?

And interactions is a bad way to phrase what I mean. I'm just fucking suscipious about how he's attacked me for me being annoyed at your RVS vote and how you piggybacked that thing to hell and back.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #38) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:31 am

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In post 415, Zdenek wrote:So why aren't you worried about the Mala not being paranoid of Penguin_Alien?
This is kinda a bit.. Wrong. Because I'm paranoid of her, but it's not being a super big huge influence on my read. It's her early game interactions that are a big, 'omg this is not the normal town-Peng' as I already stated it could be for multiple reasons, a) Cabd trying to get her out of it. B) she's trying to change her behavior or c) she could e scum trying to change a meta read.

As for her defending me early on -- when I attacked her early game in OGM she did a what I feel OMGUS dance around me, but felt like she was afaird to commit her read on me. I kinda got paranoid of her down the line, but it was basically too late because I ended up getting sick at a very bad time.

@mina:

I'm not really sure how much clearer I can get as trying to explain this read as best is actually hard since her not interacting early is a null tell because she has in the past not come into the thread until page 5 or later as both scum or town. It's more of a gut feel for her posts and how's she's trying to interact with players and how her posts flow that isn't indiciative of scum-PA. She does have a scum tell and I'm pretty sure she's well aware of it by now so ill just flat out say it. When she's scum she tends to just pop into the thread talk about posts directed at her and then leave for some time. She doesn't usually bring up other post unless asked. (At least this is my interapation of the scum tell.)

---

On a random note the one thing that is bothering me about Nacho is that he's defending me. He did a similar thing in OGM and it didn't unnerve me until day 2 where I then died with a guilty on him. I disregarded it in OGM because town-nacho has a tendency to defend me also, but it wasn't as blunt so to speak. I'm probably going to need a bit more time in reading him because I have actually recently noticed a pattern in tryin to tell scum nacho from town nacho. And I want to see where he falls during this game.


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Anyways I need to go for now. Not feeling 100% well and typing on my phone is giving me a headache for some reason. /:
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Post Post #500 (isolation #39) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:11 pm

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In post 452, Hanzo_5 wrote:
In post 170, Hanzo_5 wrote:
In post 82, Malakittens wrote:First you voted lazy, imo. Second, you came into this game knowing there was hydra's. I'm kinda interested to see if you have had this hydra hate in prior games of yours or if it's just a new thing. Third, I was townreading that hydra at the time so it felt off.

I just hated the fact you singled that hydra out.
@Malakittens,
I am reading that my vote was stupid, to you, because you did not like it. You did not like it because, 1)you felt it was lazy, 2)You were town reading the hydra i voted for at the time. 3) I came into this game knowing there were hydras.
In post 134, Malakittens wrote:I really don't give a crap that he voted for a hydra. it's the reason why he voted for the hydra. It was lazy as fuck. I know Hanzo was talking to the hydra, but Bazinga wasn't the only hydra in Page 1 to post. Singling Bazinga out while to me was being obv town was a REALLY bad vote
@Malakittens,
This is in reality a false statement. Or atleast a misleading one. I quoted you in this post already giving two reasons that have nothing to do with why I voted. Yet you here you attempt to seperate your 3 reasons that explain why my vote is stupid into 1 reason and 2 general statements.

UNVOTE: Bazinga
VOTE: Malakittens
I literally don't know where I would begin to attempt to 'defend' myself on this. I feel like the only thing I can do is comment because we are having a difference of an opinion on the way you chose to vote early in the game.

Part of my hate regarding your hate on a hydra is due to this game. Of course I'm not saying the way you went about it and the way he went about is the same, but just the "I hate hydras" and voted a hydra annoyed me.

Just because I chose to take your RVS statement serious doesn't mean that I'm scum for it. In fact your whole RVS vote looked serious to me. (This will answer TT's question. HAY LOOK I KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.)

(Ps I haven't responded to BRO yet because of two things: 1) he wrote in purple[Blue isn't much better], so fuck him. 2) He responded inside a quote and I do a majority of my posting off an Iphone. (unless I'm up late at night then I use my computer.~))

Also, I don't care if you move your vote off me or not. I don't care if people find my answer not to be sufficient enough because I don't feel well and I have a horrid headache for the past two days.

I'll see how much I can get done in terms of answer people before I get on the verge of really tired.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #40) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:19 pm

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In post 443, chamber wrote:
@Ghatokaca:
How about explaining the misunderstanding or miscommunication that goes behind that contradiction instead of just attacking him back over it?
How about we explain the naked vote on them?

I mean I'm not telepathic and it might seem obvious to you, but I want you to explain it for me!

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In post 440, Medea the Alien wrote:This is a joint reads list, cabd's comments in blue, penguin's comments in orange. This list is not in any strength order within each tier.

Not touching tier:

7. malakittens
Spoiler:
I've hydra'd with malakittens as scum (Mini 1531), and I've played town to her scum (Xenogears (Large theme), Micro 267, Mini 1461) so I like to think I have a good sense of her scum game. This is not it. If she is scum here then the rest of her team consists of people she is SUPER comfy with, players like chamber and notscience. I don't find that to be the case here. She's too bold and getting shit done. Of note, when scum being the major wagon of the day she has a tendency to shut down (pull her ISO from Xenogears the day she was lynched), and here she's doing anything but.

I've addressed my Mala read ad nauseum, so I'll just say again that she's not intimidated enough by the players who know her reasonably well (and there are too many of them for them all to be her teammates) to be scum here. As far as her not going all paranoid of me town-reading her, it's also consistent with her kicking herself for hard-pushing me on D1 of Mini 1524.




2. Bazinga (pirate mollie +Bert)
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I have a certain thing I look for to find mollie-town. It was there in Red Wedding. It was there in xenoblade. It was there in xenogears. It's here right now. Bert leading off the game coming off of a few super terrible scumgames also is a point towards town.

Even though I didn't like Bert messing around with head impersonation, since then I've gotten genuine scumhunting feelings from mollie. Plus the residual paranoia mollie usually has about me when she's town, as evidenced in her skepticism when Cabd said I'd passed out for the night (which yes, was me falling asleep, not drinking myself into oblivion) Bert's been along for the ride, but it lines up with bazinga-behavior in Antihero's orgo game.


Townreads tier:

4. Chamber
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Chamber was entirely correct with his remark that this is the same game style he employed in Macbeth. (I said it first chamber suck it) Only thing I dislike was his recent vote onto nachofalcon, but still a townread.

He reads as comfortable to me; beyond that I'm deferring to Cabd's read. Overall I get the sense he's not trying to ingratiate himself with people, which with his short posting style would be an easy path to take.



5. Ghatokaca (F-16 Falcon + Nachomamma8)
Spoiler:
This is a weak townread for me based entirely upon F-16's posts. Nacho's activity is null given his new occupation, but I do wish for him to make time for this game more. That said, scum-nacho could easily mislynch me here given current game state, and I certainly don't see any indication of that angle. Flacon rallying to hard defend his major town read (me in this case) is very reminiscent of his micro 252 townplay.

I'm getting the sense (could be wrong) that there's genuine communication between Nacho and F-16. F-16 did all the early posting, up through him asking about Mini 1531. He wasn't in that game, Nacho was. His linking Malakittens there to my read on her here implies that he was discussing things with Nacho somewhere in a way that scum wouldn't need to do. Scum-Nacho also nearly always takes a shot at mislynching me; for him to come in and town-read me pronto is either him changing a non-broken strategy or genuine town-Nacho doing that thing where he reads me right.

In terms of a less self-centered basis for my town read on Ghatokaca, they're trying to work with a large swath of players, they're following up on open-ended lines of inquiry, and they don't feel like they have an agenda, even though they're both strong enough players to take control of the game.


Null-Town:

6. hanzo_5

Spoiler:
I dislike his style of play and most certainly disagree with it, but a cursory skim of the past says this is how he goes about playing nowadays. I don't think he'd be taking the hardliner to hydrae approach that he is right now as scum; but his mala push is very tunnel-ish and misguided. His openness to hear from people town reading malakittens is certainly interesting, but I doubt he'll enjoy my VERY meta-influenced read upon her play here. Of note, I'm working through a list of his meta and will post that separately.

I don't think scum's super-likely to take the controversial hydra stance in a game with so many vocal hydra players. I also don't think he'd try to diffuse the tension with Mala as he does in as scum; sure, he'd want to seem reasonable, but he could do that without phrasing things such that he pulls the conflict back to a less fraught basis. I also like that he's trying to work with his scum read instead of just shouting at her. If he was scum trying to mislynch town, he'd be less likely want her opinions on things.


9. Mina
Spoiler:
Mina is a very dangerous scum player when she wants to be, completely snowing me in Marketplace Mafia III; but as of yet nothing sets off any major alarms. Her RVS entry into the game is slightly reminiscent of her RVS entry there, however, causing me to be less than hasty on sending her up a tier.

...MMIII is a blur. Pretty sure I've only played with scum-Mina before. I was a bit frustrated that Mina wasn't getting the facts right on the bazinga-read issue, but there's a flexibility in her reads that makes me lean town. It's not so wildly swinging that it feels like scum taking advantage, but more like town forming opinions organically.


10. notscience
Spoiler:
Notscience is a special kind of player that without meta, you're either going to find him always townish or always scumish, depending upon your personal outlook on proper town play. Nothing sets off alarm bells, but after a recent snowing in 1520, I'm hesitant to move him anywhere lacking more data. The only reason he's in lean town is due to a townread on him by pothers in my townreads.

I know I've {played with, observed in my completed modded games} notscience, but I don't recall any useful meta. Just on the basis of this game, he seemed relaxed and open to being pressured, and once pressured, took non-sycophant stances on players. Want more from him before I'd drop the 'null' part of the read.


13. Zdenek
Spoiler:
Tunneling is something very alignment neutral for Zdenek. I only have played against him once, in New York 165 (I was scum, he was town, we night killed him early) and I see a similar approach to the game here. He's misguided, but honestly seems to think he's pegged scum. I know the feeling and he's giving it off. This is one read that I feel I will want to meta-dive, if F16 is feeling like playing the dance with me since Ffery isn't in this one. I do wish he'd tell us about his other reads, though, scum motivation for tunneling is obviously getting to avoid the rest of the game.

I disagree a bit here; I get the sense from his early posts that he's arguing to argue, and later on he's operating with confirmation bias out the wazoo. He's playing in a way that, if he got any of his preferred lynches through (Mala, us, Ghatokaca) and they flipped town as I know/expect them to, he could throw up his hands D2 and wander off to 'reassess' because he's ignoring a lot of the game. I'd personally put him at very, very light on the town part of this read and heavy on the null.


True Null:


11. Osseus pseudotripodis (Untrod Tripod + TBone)
Spoiler:
I actually have only watched UT play once, and that game was fraught with WTF-Setup errors and a flaked mod. As for T-Bone, I want to go back and look at BBMolla's micro and see if I can draw any comparisons. IIRC F16 was in that agme as well, so his insight and or observations are welcome.

In one game with T-Bone, I seem to recall him not making much sense to me. I don't get much original from the hydra as a whole. I see a lot of waffling and posts that don't advance the game state. Null works.


1. Ampersand (Cogito Ergo Sum + Fenchurch)
Spoiler:
CES is sometimes a man of few words, so I always have issues reading players of his style. (ABR for example) I can't really decide if the push on me feels more like mistaken town or mislynch thirsty scum. I do argue back, however, that "Leaving the door open to jump on later" is a perfectly valid phrase, and fuck you if you think it's not; in that order.

Don't know who's posting what in all cases and don't really care as I have about zero experience with either (maybe one game with CES?) Their pushes feel superficial and I'm not getting anything that makes me think they have town motives. Don't get why they'd object to our characterization of BRO as leaving his options open. Basically an enigma to me.


Scumreads:

12. ToastyToast
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4 posts, and very little of value. Calling Mina v Chamber town V. town off the bat pinged really hard. His point in 78 is completely invalidated by reading some of mina-scum's past games.

The things he points out are minor; he jumps at the chance to comment on smaller issues. No paranoia on Mina-chamber in-fighting.


3. Broseidon
Spoiler:
His approach to me reads totally off. His mala-case is very much a case of "he should know better than this" as well. Him calling the entire game shit is by no means a towntell for him, either.

Yeah, BRO enjoys playing the curmudgeon, but I expect more in-depth analysis from him, more considered reads, and more willingness to work with those people he doesn't think are idiots. I'm actually not sure we've had a town-town game on this site in quite some time. We have had multiple town hydra games though that make me think I'd recognize his town game better than I have in the past. If anything I have a tendency to trust him where I shouldn't (Mini 1515, NY 165), which makes me think that I should give more credence to my gut not liking his play here.


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@Cabd:

I understand the logic you are coming from, but can you break down your thinking process on why Notscience and Chamber? That's interesting how you picked them over the other players. What stands out most about those two than the other players I have played with in the past?

@Peng:

Actually, my read on you in OGM wasn't because you called me town. It was because of your indecisiveness/hesitant on your read on me that it stood out the most and made it look scummy as hell to me. (ISO 65 of mine.)
However I don't think my paranoia this game is at all linked to that aspect of the game. It's more because of your eagerness to connect to this game and how you are approaching it that's sticking out to me the most.


Spoiler:
@Cabd:

Lol for crypticness. I might think I know what you are referring too, but can I clarify that your read on Mollie isn't anything to do with something on Page 1 because as Bert has said none of that was her. I don't want that influcing a read.

@Peng:

I do have a question what type of paranoia because I remember when you and I both were town in Cluedo she did something similar and you said something similar to this extent. Can the skepticism by Mollie this game be faked at all, do you think?


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@Cabd:

Chamber only brought it up because I said something about it a while after you did. To be fair I forgot that you said it, but it was his ignoring similar things that I said that were directly directed at him that triggered his play is reminding me of MacBeth Mafia.

@Peng:

You don't have much experience if not at all with playing with Chamber? It's like my thirdish game with him on the forums. One where we hydra'd, one that was so long ago that I forgot it, another that was MacBeth Mafia. All of those games were town, so I don't have *much* experience with scum-Chamber so any meta reads are kinda fucked up in terms of that. I don't know *really* how scum-Chamber would play, but how do you know that scum-Chamber wouldn't do anything above how you are describing?


Spoiler:
@Cabd/Peng:

I do have to say after you made that comment I was watching to see what Nacho would do in regards to the talk about lynching you. Do you think Nacho was aware of that as a scumtell of his? I'm thinking this is town-Nacho, but I want to see what else he posts before giving a definitive read out because I'm just somewhat paranoia of giving him such an early townread in OGM to have that bite me in the ass later in the game when Wisdom was trying to say "stop, no!"


Spoiler:
@Cabd:

I'm not sure if I agree entirely with your read on Hanzo. His push on me is because of how I reacted to his hydra vote and how I took it so seriously. I don't really see how he's being so open in listening to people because some people have given a reason for town reading me outside of meta and I don't know if he has accidentally skimmed it over or what. (Later on I'll link to everyone's who's given somewhat of a townread reason in regards to me.)
I don't really like the tunnel thing thats he's doing, but part of his play reminds me a lot like Wisdom other than with a neater presentation and a lot less spam. (Ilywisdom if you are reading this!)

@Peng:

I can see where he is trying to work with me, but my hesitation in giving him the room to do it is because I'm not liking what I'm connecting between him and BRO. I can see the town-motivation side of his posts while trying to work with me because in a sense he's trying to get into my head and see what I'm thinking so he can use information based on things I have said, in case I get lynched or killed, to go about hunting for scum in the future. I just don't like how his only open read is on me and keeps saying everyone else is null. That for some reason bothers me a lot. Your thoughts on that?


Spoiler:
@Cabd:

Can you give me the link to Mina's RVS Marketplace III vote? Also why haven't you brought this up prior and have waited until now to say something about it?


My brain has kinda gone to mush after the Mina read. I think it's because I gotten tired or if it's due to the lack of experience with playing with the other players. (Notscience is the odd ball out, but to an extent BRO/Tbone. {I have only played with town-BRO/town-Tbone so I have no scum-BRO/town-tbone experience to compare games too)

In post 441, Medea the Alien wrote:
Hanzo as scum:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=28123 (was replaced by Nul, the slot was lynched day two, flipping mafia goon)


Hanzo as town:


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=15611 (Slot killed night two)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=15645 (Town, Lynched D1)

Of note, the town games are from 2012 whereas the scumgame is from 2013. The bolded "@whoever" style seems to be something new, it is not present at all in his 2010 games but is very present in his 2013 game.
I know the @whoever style might come from the Twitter media. I know I use it off and on during games. Anyways I need to take a look at these when I can.
In post 449, Ampersand wrote:
In post 423, Mina wrote:Likewise, Ampersand, why is Medea a better vote than the other people I listed above? I'm having trouble following their thought processes or connecting with their posts, and some stuff they've said has been off, but I don't know if I'd go as far to call them obvscum. Right now, although I'm paranoid Medea/Ghatokaca/BRO scum can coast to endgame if they aren't taken out early, I feel like Osseus is more likely to flip scum, and will probably change my vote soon. (If your argument is that UT will become readable, isn't he already pretty readable?)
Medea is a better vote because they're scum, mostly. If you want to be convinced, just look at their latest reads post; it's filled with penguin_alien giving flimsy justifications for reads that she thinks she should have or wants to have, e.g.:
On chamber, penguin wrote:Overall I get the sense he's not trying to ingratiate himself with people, which with his short posting style would be an easy path to take.
On Toasty, penguin wrote:No paranoia on Mina-chamber in-fighting.
Also, she completely ignores Hanzo's roboticness, i.e. the most relevant thing about his play.

And UT can definitely be scummy early and then turn it around and have his towniness shine through, so no, he's not readable enough yet.

Unvote, vote: Poseidon
I'm not sure how much I like this post. It might be the vote switch, but your answer in regards to why you are scum reading Medea isn't well lacking in much evidence.
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Post Post #522 (isolation #41) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:20 pm

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Holy jesus, what the fuck did I just do.

TAMMY

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Post Post #524 (isolation #42) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:03 pm

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In post 523, chamber wrote:
In post 521, Malakittens wrote:How about we explain the naked vote on them?
If I felt like explaining I would have. Asking me about it, especially after someone else has and I blew them off, is just going to annoy me not get me to answer.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #43) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:36 am

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I'm actually having trouble reading the Ossy hydra. (Ugh Mollie your nicknames are catchy ._.)
I legit don't know why, but every time I read a post it does nothing. No gut feel, just a numb feeling.

As for Amer. I didn't like the early posts (well vote on Mina), but the more French posts the more I'm really thinking that hydra as a whole is town. I do agree that one of the post reads frustrated townie, I had the same feel reading it.
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Post Post #572 (isolation #44) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:33 pm

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He thinks I'm scum and that all my scum partners are hydras.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #45) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:09 pm

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@Malakittens, My argument is not a different opinion on the way I chose to vote. My case against you is saying you changed the reasoning behind you attack to be more about me and less about defending your town read. I think you realized that attacking an RVS to defend a town read looks scummy and tried to change it.

Do you have an explanation for what I'm saying you did? I have stated why i think you did it.
I have zero qualms about defending a townread. ZERO qualms I don't care if it makes me the scummiest person on the face of the earth. If I have a strong enough townread on a player I'll defend them to hell and back.

I attacked your RVS because it was scummy to me and the fact the person you were voting was on the verge of being strong towread by me.

Plain and simple.

Are we going to keep doing this back and forth because it's not helping anyone and I don't know about anyone else, but this is getting old for me and quite annoying.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #46) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:10 pm

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Also:

VOTE: BRO

I don't want to vote Ossy because as I said posts I tried to read are just giving me a "numb" feeling.

My top two picks for scum are Bro & Hanzo. I rather vote a scum read over someone else who is on the null side of my list.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #47) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:11 pm

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In post 579, notscience wrote:
In post 502, notscience wrote:Christ Mala, we get it. You're town

Blame Hanzo, he won't leave me alone.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #48) » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:46 am

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Can you explain your null not willing to lynch area?
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Post Post #656 (isolation #49) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:12 am

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Please, please tell me you are kidding in 651 Mollie. Please. You are seriously going to town read someone for sayin 'oh fuck off' after you just called him out for not acting the same way.
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Post Post #661 (isolation #50) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:40 am

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In post 659, BROseidon wrote:
In post 656, Malakittens wrote:Please, please tell me you are kidding in 651 Mollie. Please. You are seriously going to town read someone for sayin 'oh fuck off' after you just called him out for not acting the same way.
I've been kind of a dick all game.

Apparently I have to turn into kuribo for people to see it, though.
No actually you haven't, but your last post to Peng was kinda uncalled for.

The only thing that was emotional mali (can't be assed to spell that word right.) was when you called everyone shit for not seeing what you're seeing.

Like I said it seems you were called out and now you are bringing up the emotion. Which makes me think you're tying to fake it.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #51) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:03 am

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In post 663, BROseidon wrote:
In post 661, Malakittens wrote:Like I said it seems you were called out and now you are bringing up the emotion. Which makes me think you're tying to fake it.
lol.

It's okay because I'll be conftown once you flip scum.

And all will be k.
Yeah, well you are wrong, but you believe you are so holy right because of omg semantics and trying to say I freaked out too much due to an RVS vote.

You are so blindly fucken tunneled on me that's it's annoying yet you won't step back to see it.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #52) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:17 am

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Then do it, scum read me for all I care because face it you townreading BRO based on him telling you to fuck off feels fake as hell. He's probably faking it because I maybe see one or two things that seem "emotional" in his past posts up to that point. I think you're reading too much into it currently, imo.

Also; I wasn't feeling well Sat/Sun and said that, but I
still posted
stuff so saying that I haven't posted for days is a total misrep. I was working a longer shift than normal yesterday and not working a normal hour shift for me today so my activity is a bit off in that retrospect.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #53) » Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:49 pm

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In post 678, Hanzo_5 wrote:
In post 673, bazinga wrote:beep boop

that is me trying to be humourously facetious and apparently failing. I don't think any1 is gonna say that in this game except mebbe
hanzoderporscumz
it isn't an issue in this game I am merely pointing out that a lot of players would consider this a dyed in the wool scumtell when it isn't
Your a Jerk, I pretty much derp as town in everygame im in so when im scum i can get away with it. Gotta use that meta somehow lol.

Okay that was a lie, But im not derping im just not good at this lol.
In post 679, Hanzo_5 wrote:Also, im Huuuur Town as FUCK duuuur, so lets all sheep me and lynch Malakittens for my huuuur horrible reasons and weak case that could not be refuted duuur.
Ugh at this joke because it was an ill-placed joke, no offense to you.

You aren't town as fuck, just sayin'.

Also just because I can't refute a case doesn't make me scum. It just means I have poor communication skills in general.
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Post Post #709 (isolation #54) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:07 am

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In post 696, bazinga wrote:
In post 692, Mina wrote:
In post 668, bazinga wrote:whenever you start to pull this crap I default to scumreading you, you know this right? it seems like you have not posted anything for days and this is what and how you choose to respond to? lol, no

that was a bad post.
Am I underestimating Malakittens' scum play? Was something about that post a sign of guilt for her?

(I know you said you still weren't going after her, but I just want to be 100% sure.)
she pulls the aTe as scum or town. by poe, I am leaning town on her.

fenny's posts are not giving me the same warm fuzzies as they are you. I think they are alignment neutral so far.

I am still not getting what I need from bro and I am still unimpressed with the level of scumhunting from him.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

gonna talk some more with bert
What ate have I used? The one where I was cranky and told the thread not to take it personally because I wasn't feeling well and my crankiness had nothing to do with this game.

Everytime I call out a post by yours you reply with something similar like 'oh I want to scum read you now' because I'm interfering with your hunting, but you never stated the end part.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #55) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:31 am

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In post 718, Kit wrote:Mollie -- bro has only played with me as town once maybe twice. I don't really see how you can say he's good at reading me when he's missing half the experience of playing with town me. Both games I had hydra partners and they were obv town. Also he has misread me recently in a scum game until the later stage of it.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #56) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:07 pm

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I'll probably have some short downtime tomorrow after work to read/catch up and post. I been skimming the recent posts because that's all I have time for with work eating up all my hours in the day. Can't wait for a day off so I can catch up on sleep. >.>
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Post Post #742 (isolation #57) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:50 am

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Ugh, Bert when you get Mollie have her respond to my questions, please.

@notscience:

I have played with him before, but not sure if I remember it.

Also I am biting my tongue on something, but hopefully when I'm home I can finally post it. It's in regard to your comments about having the Mollie seal of approval before sheeping her.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #58) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:24 am

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In post 737, Medea the Alien wrote:So Ampersand, if your read on BRO is off the quality of his reads and play and not emotions, where do you stand on him? Last I saw, you didn't know.

--PA
In post 747, BROseidon wrote:
In post 691, Zdenek wrote:Actually seems like an okay response to your vote.
Problem is that doesn't seem reasonable to me.

It looks like she's taking something personally that she shouldn't be given that she's not even in a hydra this game, and it isn't like there's a site-wide anti-hydra sentiment that would make people who hydra super-defensive.
See difference of opinion doesn't equal scummy though.

I hydra in 90% of my games though, lately. Actually, there is a bit of a site-wide anti-hydra sentiment. A lot of people don't like them, but to just vote because they are a hydra in the first two pages of a game is ridiculous.
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Post Post #793 (isolation #59) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:03 pm

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In post 792, notscience wrote:1) I'm lazy, yes

2) I can't read either of you for shit and I know mollie reads Nacho like the back of her hand so I intend to sheep
Stop it, that's not true.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #60) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:28 pm

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In post 794, notscience wrote:Which part?

Because I trust mollie, and I know I can't ever catch nacho-scum.
It's proven that she's not 100% accurate in reading nacho. I'm not saying she's not bad at catching him, but sheeping her because she reads nacho like the back of her hand isn't 1000000% true.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #61) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:12 pm

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In post 796, bazinga wrote:mala I think the best play as town is to pester your townread with non-alignment questions and then discredit their reads.
Yes, I'm discrediting your read on Nacho based on the fact you aren't accurate all the time in reading him and someone wants to sheep you because he claims you are accurate as hell in reading him. After the open game you wagoning nacho just because you think he's scum based on 'hey guise I can read him' isn't going to fly with me.

How about you actually work with me and if I'm telling you that I dislike your townreads talk to me about it instead of making little potshots at me.
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Post Post #835 (isolation #62) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:52 am

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In post 831, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 799, Malakittens wrote:
In post 796, bazinga wrote:mala I think the best play as town is to pester your townread with non-alignment questions and then discredit their reads.
Yes, I'm discrediting your read on Nacho based on the fact you aren't accurate all the time in reading him and someone wants to sheep you because he claims you are accurate as hell in reading him. After the open game you wagoning nacho just because you think he's scum based on 'hey guise I can read him' isn't going to fly with me.

How about you actually work with me and if I'm telling you that I dislike your townreads talk to me about it instead of making little potshots at me.
There's not a player on site with a good sample size of my play who has read me perfectly 100% of the time. There are very few players on site who can actually read me well. Mollie is one of them, and too many heads doesn't change that fact. You know this.
I'm not saying she can't read you well, but she sure can't read you accurately all the time. She's human and she makes mistakes. I used to think you could tell the difference between scum and town me, but you recently proven you couldn't when you unnerved enough to drop a scum read on a player I have experience with in playing.

The one thing the interactions between you to as scum are a bit more funny than I would have expected. Like scum her not being able to read me for shit and passing me onto you to read. I can tell you one thing I'm confident in that you both aren't scum together. Your interactions mirror nothing like OGM.

Heads does change a bit for me because I'm not going to just sheep her when I know she could be wrong. I want to discuss with her so I know she's right.

~

Mollie, you tend to work with your town reads why aren't you with me? I asked questions and got no answers. I want you to talk to me about your nacho and BRO read more in depth.

~

Hanzo you disappear for a while and you come back with voting me?.. Which out of Mollie and nacho are leanin scum. I can tell you right now in confidence that I doubt they are scum buddies. Notscience is right.. This is how they act every game to get reads off each other so you shouldn't take this as alignment influenced.
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Post Post #837 (isolation #63) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:07 am

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It always has shook me, but that one really shook me because you were unaware of how confident I was in that scum read in that newbie game and when you started to scum read me based off of what you did I was like "wtf" and did start to maybe think you were scum there.

I did sheep her read on you in TMH; I think I sheeped her read of you in another past game, but can't remember if Mara stopped us from it going through.
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Post Post #842 (isolation #64) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:46 am

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I can see TBONE/UT hydra being scum on the base of activity, but I feel like neither have been caring or connected to this game.

Looking back I can see their vote on me being opportunistic as I was the flavor for attention at the time. The only thing is he didn't really flesh out the scum read on me, but saying willing to lynch {pool}.

It's my own fault for not going over it sooner, but I want to ask this.

What information will that lynch pool give you?

T-Bone - Why are you paranoid at the amount of people scumreading me?

I don't really agree with the Gkat lynch. The only thing that would get me behind it is the way Nacho isn't pushing his scum read. I feel like though he and F-16 are *passionately* defending his townreads which feels town to me. This is where the mix up between town/scum nacho gets to me because you, Mollie, pointed out a few things that I currently use from X-Men to get a better read on Nacho. Like for instance: In the recent newbie game I played with Nacho I could easily see the town Nacho in early Day posts, but towards the end of the game my read changed because he wasn't being as loud as I figured he would be and the way he engaged his scum read over me. I felt he was more in tunnelvision with me there and I got clouded with him and felt he could be scum because he was attacking me, but then switched to the conf scum and it looked like an "Oh shit last min bus" along with the fact he deathtunneled and wouldn't let me breathe. ._.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #65) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:47 am

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In post 840, BROseidon wrote:
In post 819, Medea the Alien wrote:Dammit mollie you're doing that thing where you ignore the scum and chase the red dot. Stop chasing the red dot (and/or falling for Bro suddenly playing up his emotions only when called out on it)
Oh fuck of Cabd.

The fact that you're meta-scumreading me is absurd given how town I am this game.
clearly with the few people scum reading you.. you aren't perceived super town.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #66) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:17 am

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In post 844, Hanzo_5 wrote:Alright I am completely fucking lost. LOL I dont know what to make of your guys reactions anymore. I feel like im just staying with my malakittens vote so i dont float off into space. lol Im gonna do a reread and get back on track with this game tomorrow. V/LA for today tho because i have a hot date with the wife. AND YES YOU ALL SHOULD BE JEALOUS!
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Post Post #858 (isolation #67) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:14 pm

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Eh, guess I'll be back in like a day or so as I need to focus myself on school work since I didn't get a day off this week and let that go to the slide and had an assignment due and got an extension to Sunday.
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Post Post #891 (isolation #68) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:52 pm

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In post 849, bazinga wrote:
In post 835, Malakittens wrote:Mollie, you tend to work with your town reads why aren't you with me? I asked questions and got no answers. I want you to talk to me about your nacho and BRO read more in depth.
I must have missed the part in your shitty discredit of me where you wanted me to work with you! I don't remember what your questions were I will say this I ignore dumb questions from a player who is townreading me cos there is so much to respond to and if you already have determined our alignment then what is the purpose of the questions?

also, you have been wrong about players
countless
times mala and I don't automatically dismiss your reads, I still take what you say into consideration but it sounds like you have already made up your mind about bro and ghatty things. I am so tired of people holding me to a different standard than they hold themselves or fuck even other players. dgb, majiffy, nacho and thorella can mislynch town in game after game but if I am wrong once I get to hear about it for the next 10 games like I am still hearing about pikman.
See a difference between you and I. You aren't mislynch bait, but I am. It's proven no matter how right or wrong I'm on a player I will always be mislynch bait. It's not like I was automatically dismissing your reads. I don't really see the town-BRO you are and I have tried to see it, but frankly I feel he's appealing to all emotions and it's gotten to you. I haven't made my mind up about anyone, but I don't really see the Ghatty scum thing.

How is it you do not want to work with me because seriously it's annoying. You always preach about how you want to work with your townreads, but for some reason it's like not happening in this game when I do want to work with you in regards to certain players.

But you know what, forget it. I'll just go about my own reads on certain players and hope to hell they are right.
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Post Post #896 (isolation #69) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:00 pm

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In post 893, bazinga wrote:
In post 891, Malakittens wrote:It's proven no matter how right or wrong I'm on a player I will always be mislynch bait.
:igmeou: I feel like you are overstating your experience as mislynch bait, for lack of a better phrase.
Actually I am not because I'm starting to feel lately that I am mislynch bait and have zero clue how to get rid of this feeling. Would you like me to show you how many times in the past games I have been lynched as town in LyLo in comparison to be NK'd or being endgamed. The number is really, really sad. Too Many Heads is a prime example of how my partner was glaringly obv town off meta, but I was tunneled by conf. bias and mislynched because she refused to get out of her tunnel. Or how in my recent two completed newbies that I was mislynched before LyLo for godawful reasons. (One game where my reads were actually onspot.)
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Post Post #936 (isolation #70) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:00 am

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In post 901, bazinga wrote:
In post 896, Malakittens wrote:Actually I am not because I'm starting to feel lately that I am mislynch bait and have zero clue how to get rid of this feeling. Would you like me to show you how many times in the past games I have been lynched as town in LyLo in comparison to be NK'd or being endgamed.
Well, you kinda cast suspicion on yourself by saying you're mislynch bait often. Yes, it must be frustrating, but I don't understand why it would be your priority to bring up when there is no sign of you being mislynched anytime soon.
Can we not twist what I said and make it look like I'm playing the victim when I'm not. I was making a point to mollies post that has nothing to do with me to directly saying it here like I'm trying to do anything to myself in regards to it. If you actually read it I stated there's a huge difference between us and that's what it is. I feel like I am every game because of the way I'm always at LyLo and lynched. Please do show a game of mine where I tried to use the point me being mislynch bait prior to LyLo. (Hint: too many heads don't count because I didn't say it.)
In post 842, Malakittens wrote:I can see TBONE/UT hydra being scum on the base of activity, but I feel like neither have been caring or connected to this game.
I have played with Tbone before. There's an obv difference between him this game and that game.

Have you investigated into their past to see if this is actually the case with their meta?
In post 842, Malakittens wrote:I felt he was more in tunnelvision with me there and I got clouded with him and felt he could be scum because he was attacking me, but then switched to the conf scum and it looked like an "Oh shit last min bus" along with the fact he deathtunneled and wouldn't let me breathe.
This is quite interesting. So he wriggled his way out of suspicion by deathtunneling you? I see...
Actually he wriggled his way into suscipion by deathtuennling me in the newbie game because he unnerved me so badly because he's actually pretty damn accurate in reading me. It unnerved me enough where I dropped my strongest scum read on someone who i used to play with regularly.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #71) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:01 am

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Also meant to say BRO why would you waste a vig shot on Medea instead of vigging your highest scum read (hint: me).
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Post Post #998 (isolation #72) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:20 pm

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Yeah, ns, idk what to think of that.

Part of it makes me think of noob-town being lost in not knowing what to do, but *sigh*.

I guess I'll see what he does during Day 2. :\

Also, it's not like it's just us four because there's a few other people who don't want me lynched either which he did not include.
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #73) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:37 pm

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In post 1002, Hanzo_5 wrote:VOTE: Ghatokaca

malakittens its not about you. I generally feel like you 4 are trying to some type of lynch embargo. Its lame and its like them alliances on survivor. This is day 1 there can be no alliance
So basically you are scum reading Ghat or are you voting him because you want the embargo gone?
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #74) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:20 am

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Okay when I get home ill look at a scum game of his, but I played first hand while he's been town like 4-5 times and there's a difference, a huge difference.

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I need to go to work though for now. (#ihatesnow.)
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #75) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:39 pm

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Uggh.

I don't really believe BRO's claim, but I feel like he's trying to "defend" his scumminess as a plot the whole time because of his role.

Then there's the part where I don't see my role and his role on town. The only way this is true is if scum is stacked.

So, either he's mafia or he's an SK plain and simple.

I'm sorry, but I'm not removing my vote off him.
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #76) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:50 pm

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BRO's just lashing out at everyone, ignore him.

Also, I don't really want to vote Nacho at this point. I do like F-16's posts.
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #77) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:04 pm

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In post 1270, BROseidon wrote:btw if mina or toasty are dumb enough to hammer, Mala should get PL'd for soft CCing bullshit, followed by lynches on Medea, Ambersand, and then Ghato if that doesn't end the game.

Maybe a PL on ns in there if people are feeling nice to scum.
Why Policy lynched?

when I do have a role that makes no sense with yours on town's side.
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #78) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:08 pm

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In post 1286, BROseidon wrote:Because you're soft claiming in a way that's not town motivated.

If you're town, scum know you have a relatively strong PR.

If you're scum, you can use the way in which you've claimed to try to argue out of a lynch tomorrow.
Scum have zero clue to what it is, but I do dare them to come at me~

Yeah, no. Partially CC'ing you when there was no need to is a stupid move to do as scum especially when I was in no danger of being lynched.

If anything I'm in danger of playing outguess the mod.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #79) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:14 pm

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In post 1302, bazinga wrote:
In post 1234, Malakittens wrote:Then there's the part where I don't see my role and his role on town. The only way this is true is if scum is stacked.

So, either he's mafia or he's an SK plain and simple.
wth mala....

idk
Just now you have a problem with it?
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #80) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:18 pm

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In post 1309, Zdenek wrote:The whole mala counter-claimed Bro argument is pretty bogus with Bro not having claimed his number of shots.
What makes you think it's his "number of shots" that made me CC him?
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #81) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:26 pm

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Guys seriously,

someone hammer BRO because he's scum.

I don't see F-16/Nacho being scum at this point, I really don't.
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #82) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:28 pm

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More towards my role than my reads.
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #83) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:30 pm

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In post 1324, notscience wrote:Mala noone's going to bother because molliebert's already promised to hammer nacho16 at deadline.

Then mollie dies tonight and a BRO wagon never reforms while he coasts to endgame to win
If I'm alive Day 2 this end part will not happen.
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Post Post #1337 (isolation #84) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:33 pm

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In post 1334, chamber wrote:She's claiming PGO.
What's making you think that?
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #85) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:41 pm

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In post 1343, notscience wrote:Night, thanks for letting the scum force a nolynch/mislynch.
No,

if Mollie and/or Mina/chamber vote BRO it won't be a NL or a mislynch. :\
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #86) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:42 pm

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In post 1346, BROseidon wrote:Or you can switch to Ghato.
I can, but that means I'll be lynching someone I'm not confident that will be flipping scum. I'm more confident in you flipping scum over them.
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #87) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:46 pm

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Way to put the pressure on him.
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #88) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:51 pm

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In post 1385, bazinga wrote:
In post 1375, BROseidon wrote:PL Mala->Ambersand->Medea->Ghato
we talked last night and intend to sheep the shit out of Bro

VOTE: Medea the Alien
Can you go more in depth why Medsa over me or Amper?
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In post 1385, bazinga wrote:we talked last night and intend to sheep the shit out of Bro
Why? And how is choosing their 3rd read sheeping the fuck out of them?
This.
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #89) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:53 pm

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In post 1389, notscience wrote:Mala's read said PL which implies he thought her more t own than scum, no?
Explain this because im not followig. He was scum reading me all game.

If Medea was the stronger of everyone he would have moved them over Amper.
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #90) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:16 pm

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I'm still really suscipious of Hanzo though. He kinda sat back, watched everyone from the sidelines, but was kind enough to state that Bazinga was conf scum for forcing a no lynch, when he was in fact indirectly doing the same thing because of his resufal to hammer BRO. Seems like he was pointing fingers.

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Post Post #1403 (isolation #91) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:28 pm

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As I said; bro's claim and my claim did not make any sense sitting on the same team unless scum is stacked. I was more concerned with BRO fake claiming his role as scum. Therefore by association it make BRO scummier than Nacho/F-16.
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Post Post #1405 (isolation #92) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:33 pm

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Just because you're bolding/quoting isn't going to change why I felt BRO was scum over Nacho/F-16.

Are you expecting me to fold because you are questioning me? (Won't happen.)
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #93) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:42 pm

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In post 1406, Mina wrote:...no, I'm expecting you to explain where your really strong town read on them came from, and why you're arguing now that it had nothing to do with Nacho/F-16 being town, only with BRO being scummier?
I already stated multiple times during Day 1 that I never agreed with the Ghat-scum read. The only few things that felt off was Nacho not being super passionate and the fact he was defending me which felt like OGM.

When BRO claimed vig it made me want to lynch him over Ghat more than I already felt prior to the day.
In post 1407, Hanzo_5 wrote:VOTE: Malakittens

Can we lynch the scum now?

This or Ghato today. It would be absurd to not lynch one of these.
Get the actual fuck out of your fuck tunnel. Seriously stop it.
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #94) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:27 pm

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Hanzo, calm down. Replacing out isn't the way to go about this. No one hates you.

I am Dorothy Gale a 1-shot town day-gladiator.
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #95) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:34 pm

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It's essentially a DayVig to me if its used right.

It forces a death between me or a player. If I win: it's a DayVig without the instant kill.
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #96) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:35 pm

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In post 1451, Mina wrote:Does it end the day?
I asked Tammy, yes it does.
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #97) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:36 pm

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Just one between me and another player.
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #98) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:39 pm

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In post 1456, chamber wrote:@people who can read mollie: Are you sure shes actually town?
I think so yes. Meta fits with town-Mollie, imo.
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #99) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:45 pm

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In post 1461, Mina wrote:Your role did not even slightly conflict with BRO's. As in, there is not a single mod on this website who would call a role like that "broken" in conjunction with an X-shot dayvig (particularly when X might have been 1). And when your role isn't even a killing role, and is in fact a relatively weak town role.
If its used right it's indeed a killing role. That's however just my view of it if its used correctly and depending on if its in the hands of a player who isn't going to just hipfire it at random.

Again he said x-shot vig. He might not have said his number of shots, but if he said 2-shots why would my role and his role both make sense in town hands when this game is a) not role madness.

Anyways the really bad thing about claiming right now is its almost 4 am in the fucking morning and I'm getting sleepy, but I'm going to try and stay awake to answer/comment on any questions or comments anyone else might have to throw at me.
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Post Post #1466 (isolation #100) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:48 pm

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In post 1462, Mina wrote:Why did you not just claim on D1, Malakittens? Or even use the role at the end of D1? I mean, if you were convinced BRO was scum, why not use it to force us to lynch him instead of Ghatokaca?
I wanted to stay alive long enough to actually use it.
I didn't want to use it on BRO because I thought it could be well suited for another time. I asked Tammy if I used it prior to the deadline if it would be extended and she said no. So, I let the lynch between Ghat/BRO run it course.
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #101) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:51 pm

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In post 1467, bazinga wrote:Are you gonna use it today
I rather have people's thoughts in regards to it first. I rather optimize it to its full affects rather than hipfire it. If I used it now it would be on Hanzo most likely. I don't like his play so far; I'm trying to take out my feelings about him tunneling me and to let it go. I don't like those who tunnel and those who don't listen in regards. Look how well Mara and I went out in too many heads when I kept reaching out to her to stop tunneling me.
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #102) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:56 pm

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You shouldn't be full bitchy at me. Had he actually claimed his correct role he could have survived the lynch, but he didn't so him and i are both at fault for how his lynch went down. Also I'm not going to let him sit by and say 'hey I'm going to vig Medea' who at the time was a strong town read especially when his role does indeed conflict with mine and I had a reason to suspect he was scum fake claiming.
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #103) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:58 pm

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I never said I saw his current freaking out scum driven. I don't his last posts don't read to me as alignment indicative, but as null to me.
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #104) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:04 pm

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I can't stay up any longer. I'm going to bed.
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Post Post #1496 (isolation #105) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:49 am

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In post 1490, bazinga wrote:
In post 1439, bazinga wrote:
In post 1432, Hanzo_5 wrote:Perhaps I just need to replace out. Im not going to force anyone to play with me who does not want to.
from someone who has done what you're doing before more times than I'd like to admit, you should just stay in

replacing out will in the long run do you more harm than good, and plus you're a townread for us
this was bert.

hanzo i have no problem with you in fact bert will be ejected from the game long before you IF HE DOESN'T FUCKING STOP IMITATING ME
Yeah, it would be great if he stopped because you're still town, but he's irrating me because I'm basing your slot read off you and not him.
In post 1491, bazinga wrote:
In post 1464, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1461, Mina wrote:Your role did not even slightly conflict with BRO's. As in, there is not a single mod on this website who would call a role like that "broken" in conjunction with an X-shot dayvig (particularly when X might have been 1). And when your role isn't even a killing role, and is in fact a relatively weak town role.
If its used right it's indeed a killing role. That's however just my view of it if its used correctly and depending on if its in the hands of a player who isn't going to just hipfire it at random.

Again he said x-shot vig. He might not have said his number of shots, but if he said 2-shots why would my role and his role both make sense in town hands when this game is a) not role madness.

Anyways the really bad thing about claiming right now is its almost 4 am in the fucking morning and I'm getting sleepy, but I'm going to try and stay awake to answer/comment on any questions or comments anyone else might have to throw at me.
this is garbage any role in the right player's hands can be a potential killing role if the player is competent. yes you can have a gladiator and a vig in the same game what I don't understand about bro is why he didn't claim JOAT instead of vig who "had inside info that his nks might not go through" <------ only reason I was on board with his lynch.

and I want to clear some tings up...it was bert pretending to be me that voted bro I was trying to scumhunt medeas and he jumped in. only reason I let it go was cos mina jumped on board right away and I thought mebbe there is something to this and then bro made that terrible claim and well it was too late to do anything to stop it even if I wanted to.
Please join Mina in the berate a player on how to use a role 101. Please do show a game where this role and a vig are in the setup on town side outside of a role madness this.
In post 1492, bazinga wrote:
In post 1468, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1467, bazinga wrote:Are you gonna use it today
I rather have people's thoughts in regards to it first. I rather optimize it to its full affects rather than hipfire it. If I used it now it would be on Hanzo most likely. I don't like his play so far; I'm trying to take out my feelings about him tunneling me and to let it go. I don't like those who tunnel and those who don't listen in regards. Look how well Mara and I went out in too many heads when I kept reaching out to her to stop tunneling me.
if you used it on hanzo I am voting you jsyk
Thanks for letting me know, but hey at least I have some control because if I didn't he and I would be facin off already.
In post 1494, bazinga wrote:
In post 1475, Mina wrote:
In post 1470, bazinga wrote:What do you think of Chamber's response in post 1464 above?
Right now, I'm thinking much less about whether it's a plausible counterclaim than whether it's a counterclaim that ever should have happened. I need more from Mala, but I'd say town if I had to guess.

And you basically cannot towntell harder than a newish player offering to be lynched multiple times for the good of the town. There's nothing less survivalist and more completely disingenuous and well-meaning. I've never seen something like that come from scum, and seen it several times from town. Never mind replacing out because his reads were ignored. Trust me. He's town. If you gladiate him, then sorry, but I'm voting you. :/
its like mina and I share a brain
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #106) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:42 am

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If I asked why chamber would you answer it? Super pretty pls
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #107) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:20 am

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Okay so Amper/Notscience/Ossy has not given comments in regards to my claim.

So like thoughts on that, pls and thanks.

Hanzo -- you are indeed tunneling me. It means you are just straight out voting me off the bat. You might be looking at others while you do it but you are reminding me of Mara's tunneling in TMH.
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #108) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:33 pm

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Actually, French, Mina did comment about Elphaba's claim that it matched flavor decently well.

I can quote the exact post if need be.
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #109) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:04 pm

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In post 1553, chamber wrote:
In post 1552, Malakittens wrote:Actually, French, Mina did comment about Elphaba's claim that it matched flavor decently well.

I can quote the exact post if need be.
Why didn't you find the argument compelling at the time?
I was replying to French's post about how no one commented that no one said Elphaba being town by flavour. I recorrected her saying mina did say it.

Eh, also I have never read the book wicked. All my knowledge comes from the play.
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Post Post #1583 (isolation #110) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:33 am

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Chamber this is what BRO and Mina.

Personally I don't take much stock into flavor claims because scum most likely have safe claims so I take more focus in the regards to the role than the flavor.

Not that it's 100% related, but I saw the play twice (2005/2010). If flavor based off any knowledge of te play my character shows up twice/three times. Yes, Elpbaba's intentions were good but because she was more of an outcast she did more harm than good and not everyone was happy with her. In fact if you took the play just as face value you could easily consider my character as potential scum because the time my character appears is when she's walking on the yellow brick road with ruby slippers with lion, tinman. (Elpbaba cast a spell on the shoes toget her sister to walk, but failed at reversing a spell and ended up turning Boq into the tinman and the lion was a cub she saved early in the play and due to that the lion blamed lack of courage on Elpbaba. ) other time she appears is after she pours water on Elpbaba to make her 'melt' and die. Not to mention Fiyerooooo was turned into the scarecrow after he sacrificed himself to save Elpbaba from being captured and she cast a spell to protect him and turned him into it~
In post 1201, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1199, Mina wrote:BRO, flavour?
Elphaba. I try to do good, but fuck up and kill instead.

(I'm also x-shot)
In post 1206, Mina wrote:
I'm sorry, BRO...


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Post Post #1586 (isolation #111) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:44 am

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Sorry Cabd, but I take a neighborzing claim with a grain of salt coming from you~

I guess if it's true makes a bit more sense than it did prior though.

Cabd or Peng can you explain how you got neighborzing chat right away though? I always thought that neighborizing was a delayed thing rather than an instant, but that could depend on the view of the mod in question though.
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #112) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:45 am

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Fawk. Pressed submit too fast, lol.

Can you explain why you guys neighborized Ghat?
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Post Post #1589 (isolation #113) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:50 am

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In post 1585, Hanzo_5 wrote:Neighborizing only at night?(sounds like scum chat)

(But) Claiming a role that does not help scum to know it? All for the purpose of saying Ghato swtiched his reads... So where are you going with this medea? Because if this does not lead anywhere, I'm inclined to think this was all orchestrated so that you can safe claim.
Are you basically saying you disbelieve both Pa/Cabd and Ghat's interactions and are saying they are both scum and Medea is fake claiming "neighborizing" Ghat on N1?
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Post Post #1592 (isolation #114) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:10 am

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Noted.

Also Cabd, no my read on you hasn't gone south. I'm reading Peng pretty damn town at this point. When I play with her recently I tend to get a "numb" feeling if she's scum and this game I'm not getting that feeling at all. I had that issue in TMH where I felt nothing from her posts. Plus activity levels and she's hunting~
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Post Post #1594 (isolation #115) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:11 am

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In post 1593, Medea the Alien wrote:
We've had a strong town read on them for a while now, and we opted to follow it in using our PR. We'd planned to have it provide a space where Cabd and F-16 could meta-dive to their hearts' content and get Ghatokaca's thoughts on record in case they got derp-lynched today, but the latter was more successful than the former due to F-16's IRL commitments. We considered the utility of neighborizing one of our other town reads, but we figured that we could talk to you pretty readily in-thread (and there maaaay have been a limit to the amount of irony I was willing to permit the universe), notscience might not be much more chatty-hunting than in-thread, and we figured if we neighborized bazinga we'd spend the whole night phase dealing with their paranoia. There wasn't anyone else we were willing to trust in a QT for an entire game based on Day One activity.
I think it's probably better you didn't neighborize me because I would have taken the night phrase being paranoid of you rather than actually working with you. Cabd has played a gambit on me before (Paradox) and then watching him first hand gambit with the neighborize with you as scum in Sixty's game. I would have been paranoid that you were willing to try and pull a fast one on me.

Why were you saying that you expected Bazinga to be paranoid about it, but not say the same thing about me?

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Post Post #1647 (isolation #116) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:02 am

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Mollie, I'll get to you wanting me to look at interactions after work tonight. I don't really have the time to do it as of yet.
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Post Post #1657 (isolation #117) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:31 pm

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In post 1653, notscience wrote:Mollie I want to proceed under a townbloc of

(You me Hanzo Mala Toasty Chamber)

But the infighting in this group is amazing
Why toasty?
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Post Post #1677 (isolation #118) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:18 pm

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In post 1648, ToastyToast wrote:
In post 1628, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 1627, ToastyToast wrote:
In post 1624, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:How the fuck is this sure fire scum lynch derailing from L-1 AGAIN?
agreed, although it is a little soon in the day.
Hey, TT, why do you want Ghatokaca dead? I've looked over your ISO going back a ways into Day One, and I don't see any particular reasoning for this lynch. At the end of Day One, you liked them for town with F-16 talking about never being mislynched D1. What are the three strongest points against them now? And if you're certain they're scum, what else do you want to get out of this day?

--PA
1) Trying to sound informed/active town when in reality everything they say can be boiled down to a few sentences
2) Anyone who somehow manages to escape a lynch in the last moments of a day is suspect; scum momentum shifts to save their buddy
3) You.
Also, ghatokaca is probably the singlemost informative lynch at this point.

What else do I want to get out of this day?
hmmm.
@malakittens
Would you be down to use your power via a majority vote? This way those who are suspicious can test your claim, and you would have to let the town handle the target. If no, then why not?
I'm not sure why, but this post pings a lot.

You pinged quite a bit day 1 and in addition to this post I'm not sure how ns is reading you as town.

For post 2) you are forgetting that I decided to softclaim so why aren't you taking that as a factor that the lynch switched momentum due to that.

3) so you are scum reading him and want him lynched for information, amirite?

Considering I already felt that people could easily be suspicious of my claim for multiple reasons I have no problem using it to prove myself, but I'm not going to take the decision lightly. I would and have already said that if I were to use it I rather have a consensus from everyone rather than just my townblock to utilize the ability. (You could have read my posts after I claimed to answer this question.)
In post 1650, bazinga wrote:
In post 1645, notscience wrote:Mollie I really want to scumread nacho but then he posts catchups and I can't :(

Whatdoido
we hold each other and jump off a cliff and chant "plz nacho be town"

UNVOTE:
._.

@Mollie:

I'm not putting this reviewing off in terms of you and Nacho on purpose, but would you mind if I do this tomorrow after work? I have to be up at 7am and it's my first day on the day shift. I rather not oversleep and have to be in bed decently early for the 8 hour shift.
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Post Post #1683 (isolation #119) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:33 pm

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In post 1655, Hanzo_5 wrote:Um tammy why amd I voting for two people?

~Fixed~
You are secretly a double voter.
In post 1658, notscience wrote:I went back through his walls and liked some of the points he made. Plus, I don't see a world in which scum-Toasty goes offline for the deadline when realistically he had full control of the lynch.
Eh, there was some things in there that I didn't like and I'm uneasy about his Day 2 posts.
Also, there is other outside-factors that could contribute to not being able to get online not to mention the load of WIFOM.
In post 1659, notscience wrote:Like seriously I will mastin gambit for anyone in that list that's how sure I am

Except maybe chamber
Please don't. Mastin did this gambit on me once before; I wasn't thrilled at it, but let it slide because it was during Day 1 and I was an 1-shot doc.
In post 1662, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:what the fuckin FUCK is this gamestate

we had ghatscum at L-1 and now we're moving away from it AGAIN

the FUCK guys. this shit is fuckin scum driven. they're driving the wagon off their caught buddy so he must be PRETTY FUCKIN SPECIAL for them to be moving this publicly

that lynch will give us some information guys I'll tell you that much
Shaaaaaaaaaadup.

Why do you want the day to end so quickly? Quicklynches aren't the best thing for the town and the fact you want one is kinda making me lean my eye on you more.
In post 1665, Mina wrote:By the way, my tiers:

Ghatokaca, Medea, Ampersand, Toasty
Osseus, Malakittens (need to do some research on UT to lock in Osseus's position)
chamber, bazinga, notscience, Hanzo
Also, can you quickly give me a rundown on why the change of read on both Ossy and I?

I have to double check something, but I thought you were suspicious of Chamber. When did that read change?

Also I been listening to a wicked soundtrack,

Mina this song probably would have been better to fit BRO's flavor than the one you linked.


In post 1675, Hanzo_5 wrote:Heres my reads so far.
Town Pile

Hanzo-me
Bazinga- Sure Town
Broseidon-dead-town
malakittens-Leaning Town
Mina-Sure Town
Osseus pseudotripodis-Sure Town
Zdenek-dead-town

Scum Pile

Ghatokaca-Null
Ampersand- Null
Chamber-Toss Up-Probably Town
Medea-Leaning Scum
notscience-Cannot read this player-Probably Town
ToastyToast-Cannot Read this player_Probably Scum
Explain Ossy, also TT.

Also I would say another question, but mollie already got to it first.

MOLLIE ANSWER BECAUSE I'M WAITING ON YOUR ASS SO I CAN KNOW IF I AM FORCED TO STAY UP OR GO SLEEP?!
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Post Post #1688 (isolation #120) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:53 pm

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In post 1685, bazinga wrote:wtf mala it isn't like I have a choice since I am proponent for self-care

I feel like you are putting this off like you did when I asked you to look at bro's scumgames
Spoiler:
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Not really other than I reaaaaaaaaaaaally do have work in the morning, but I'll go read right now. :[
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Post Post #1689 (isolation #121) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:13 pm

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Eh,

I can see a difference in Nacho from that game to this game, but then there's other factors that interfering with activity such as his new job.

His reachs out there are more noticeable than they are here. Like for instance he was begging to a certain extent for you and here I'm not seeing it. So there he was more eager to work with you.

To an extent his behavior here is different too such as he was hardpushing Tammy there, but here not as much in regards to Ossy. He is more 'defending' here whereas he was more 'joking' and less serious there.

I can say I'm certain that you guys aren't scum buddies because your interactions aren't so odd as they were in Elyse's game. Plus I'm townreading you more confidently here than I was there, but you were at a pretty high read there.

k, can i go sleep now? (especially since I just posted my schedule on MS and I reviewed it. I'll probably do it after work again because I was skimming.)
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Post Post #1692 (isolation #122) » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:24 am

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So, I wasn't able to get right to sleep.


ns I just saw your comment re: toasty.

I dunno I feel like I should add more, but just don't know what
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Post Post #1702 (isolation #123) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:55 am

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Mollie can you look at two recent town chamber games he kinda reminds me of those two games.

(One is a hydra with him, but he tends to keep reads close to his chest sort of thing.)

Macbeth mafia & Goodmorning's rural mafia. Coney & Italy.
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #124) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:27 am

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Post Post #1727 (isolation #125) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:48 am

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In post 1726, Kit wrote:Oy vey.

Mollie can you humor me and check what I asked?
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #126) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:57 am

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In post 1728, chamber wrote:
In post 1727, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1726, Kit wrote:Oy vey.

Mollie can you humor me and check what I asked?
Every day, every day. One of these days ill do it right.
1 way or another 1 of us is leaving the game, she doesn't need to waste effort like that.
Stop :(

You're not leaving
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Post Post #1732 (isolation #127) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:19 am

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In post 1731, bazinga wrote:
In post 1726, Kit wrote:Oy vey.

Mollie can you humor me and check what I asked?
I will look at it mala but that is not how I meta people.
Uh, how do you meta people then?

Baaaa
It's cold.
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #128) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:43 am

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Mollie did you look at those games yet?..

Chamber has a tendency to just not sugar coat things and say it as they should.
Mala - Would you still have thought your claim conflicted with BRO's if he had claimed 1-shot instead of X-shot? If not, why didn't consider this as a possibility at the time of his lynch? And if so, do you still think your claim is an unlikely combination with his, and why - given that yours, if town, doesn't actually give us any extra kills, nor much extra power.
If he claimed 1-shot I might have backed off a bit, but not sure by how much. I have never seen a glad and vig both on the same side. Then again I haven't really checked that many mini games. It doesn't give any extra kills you're correct, but I disagree when you said it's not extra power. I have the power to keep scum from derailing their lynch to another player if they get in trouble. I find that pretty powerful and then it forces them to either bus or counter wagon. Though even if I were to lock myself against town it would give a bit of information, but not as much if I were to lock against scum.

(Not sure if the above make sense.)

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Post Post #1744 (isolation #129) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:45 am

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Mollie I also thought you were town reading pen earlier in teh game. When and where did that change ?
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #130) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:20 am

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*sigh*
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #131) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:48 pm

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Diwejosnduwjshsy at posting on a fucking phone. I just quoted a multiple of posts to discuss mollies read on Mollie and then I started typin and went to correct a bloody mistake and copied the spoiler again and can't undo.

/RAGEH

Okay this has to wait until I'm home now before/after Greys/scandal

Because I only remember part of my post and am not going through two ISO pages to find the relevant posts.
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #132) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:50 pm

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Lol Mollie on Mollie is Mollie about Medea.

Also hair cuts and I'm ALL AROUND SICK PEOPLE. HALP. (My mom and the hair dresser's kid.)
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #133) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:58 pm

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Always gonna disagree with Hanzo-town, sorry guys.
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #134) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:41 pm

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In post 1782, Hanzo_5 wrote:Fair enough mala. Is their a reason you are holding your vote?
Well, I'm kinda just watching how this day pans out. In terms of interactions and what not. Seems like Ossy went full tunnel on nacho/f16 hydra, but just recently started doing other shit now.

I want to reply to Mollie, but need to wait until I'm home.

You suddenly drop a bunch of town tells and people are treating you as obv town and you suddenly up and disappear sort to speak, but have no problem at following the majority and putting someone at L-1 who you are reading null. You are really starting to make me worry and I think I would love to put my vote on you, but it's not like it will go anywhere.
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Post Post #1785 (isolation #135) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:33 pm

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....

Well I'm not tunneling you. This is not even at all a tunnel, a tunnel means I would stop at nothing to get you lynched which sorry is not what I'm doing. If this was the case; you and I would be locked together. I would be voting you and pushin you to eat rope. (Ask Peng she has been on the opp end of a Mala-death tunnel.)
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #136) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:24 pm

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In post 1771, bazinga wrote:
In post 1759, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:
I don't rightly care why you were town in other games or whatever you tried to prove by linking a bunch of games. THIS game is what matters. I think townblocs are not good, you and others disagree, that's fine, no big deal.
This is a strategy that I feel is scummy.
Why does it make you town?
so you think that a common scum strategy is to give a shitload of town reads, a heavy trail of those reads (natural progression) bottlenecking his options for mislynches later in the game? how does that even work?

most of my town blocs are made up of town but I will defo help scum bus a buddy cos sometimes that is the only way you can ever get scum even lynched.

@ mala

re: penny

I never had her as town. where did you get that?
we were voting them during the first part of the day round. I get frustrated with you cos I feel like you are not reading my posts, the penny read is an example of that. the read has moved into a loose town read that we can get weird on at any moment. I agree that I think it would be unlikely for both medeas and ghatty things to be scum together but I wouldn't completely rule it out. what I am not liking are their reads, they do not make sense to me nor how they are obtaining them. like I don't get the scumread on mina at all based on meta, which is what they are basing it on and I am having the same trouble with them about the mina read as I did about the bro read in that the meta is wrong. f16 continues to come around when he is beetlejuiced into the thread and it makes me want to kill that slot with fire and brimstone but I am sure you understand my hesitancy in mislynching nacho who I am not getting a strong enough town vibe from. he feels like a corpse in this game.
(Underline):

Actually this is false. You did have her as town, but that wasn't for every long nor was it in Day 2. You were also townreading the slot in . I'm reading your posts, I really am, but with your waffling on everyone and not waffling on other people makes me want to kill something.

So saying they might be is a loose town read that you can get weird on any moment. This is hedging, this is giving you room to wiggle into a Day 3 lynch if and after a Ghat's lynch goes through Day 2. (It doesn't have to be Ghat ps: it could be anyone.)

I'm not ruling anything out when it comes to Cabd. I have seen him gambit firsthand as either alignment. He's a sneaky fucker and I could see him trying to pull something like this off if he was with scumbuddies with [anyone] if he felt like he could.

I also again never asked you about F*16 or Nacho. I asked about you reviewing Chamber's game which I don't even know if you did.

I never bothered to get spoilers with quotes because it pissed me off so much earlier because a post this simple could have been avoided if there was an "undo copy&paste" on a freaking iphone. (I guess if you consider "undo typing", but i didn't feel like shaking my phone in front of people.)
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #137) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:29 pm

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MEW~

Happy Kitty.

Also Peng:.

She picked [retracted] and [retracted] is going down in the hospital because [retracted]. Also I swear Scandal and Grey's should have a [crossover].


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Post Post #1795 (isolation #138) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:35 pm

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In post 1794, notscience wrote:Hey mala what do you think of my town list in 1776 sans toasty
I don't have anything against it.

Your reads kinda match up like mine besides Medea is a few spaces up, Hanzo is a few down.
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Post Post #1860 (isolation #139) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:07 am

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In post 1799, bazinga wrote:
In post 1790, Malakittens wrote:(Underline):

Actually this is false. You did have her as town, but that wasn't for every long nor was it in Day 2. You were also townreading the slot in . I'm reading your posts, I really am, but with your waffling on everyone and not waffling on other people makes me want to kill something.
kill ghatty things cos they scumclaimed
So saying they might be is a loose town read that you can get weird on any moment.
This is hedging
, this is giving you room to wiggle into a Day 3 lynch if and after a Ghat's lynch goes through Day 2. (It doesn't have to be Ghat ps: it could be anyone.)
it doesn't fully meet the criteria since why I would think that they were conftown is pretty specific so no bet hedging. I will restate it: bros said he had reason to believe that his night actions would not go through; at the time I thought it was a scum cover story cos I did not think tammy would include that in a pm. but medeas said that in their role pm there was evidence of a role blocker which corroborates what bro believed so it kind of makes me think town. amper people pointed out a couple scenarios where this could correlate but is not causative so I am trying to keep that mind. bert and I think cabd looks town but mine comes with a strong dose of why the fuck is cabd not here hammering out reads. instead it is penny who has been wrong wrong on how she is meta-ing, how she is doing it is how I do it when I am scum.

and typing this out makes me put them back to scum.
I'm not ruling anything out when it comes to Cabd. I have seen him gambit firsthand as either alignment. He's a sneaky fucker and I could see him trying to pull something like this off if he was with scumbuddies with [anyone] if he felt like he could.
but a neighborhood? jesus christ. chamber verified that they are in an actual neighborhood I guess more can be revealed when his replacement kicks in.
I also again never asked you about F*16 or Nacho. I asked about you reviewing Chamber's game which I don't even know if you did.
I haven't. the info I get will not be that valuable to me, I thought I kind of made that clear. and there have been other things happening. :/
Someone isn't reading then.

Cabd/Peng/I all have made comments about the game where Cabd/I neighborized Peng as scum and she was a mason and she had a super strong townread on us. You even asked about Cabd and I's hydra name too.


Cabd/Peng neighborized Nacho & F-16 and considering Peng and I walled each other regarding that I don't fucking know how you thought it was Chamber whom got neighborized...

So remind me not to actually look at things that you want me to do, but when I asked for something you don't do it. Or at least stop thinking everything revolves around you for half a second. I want you to do it for me because I want to know if the game looks similar or I'm just attributing something else to Chamber's posts there and they are not currently here. The play style of Macbeth seems like the exact playstyle that you see Chamber doing this game. This is me reaching out to you because I believe YOUR Chamber read was wrong. You yelled at both Peng and I for not doing it for BRO, but this is exactly what you were accusing us of doing.
In post 1800, Katsuki wrote:Gonna say now that I have no plans of reading the game/catching up.

VOTE: MINA
I seriously hate it when people do shit like this.

Why replace in when you aren't going to bother reading the damn game. (I have only replaced in and not read the game once, but that was because I was solo scum in a mulitball micro game and I had a feeling it would be a loss so i didn't bother.)
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Post Post #1861 (isolation #140) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:11 am

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In post 1803, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 1784, Hanzo_5 wrote:At any rate anyone who I do not consider town I will lynch at this point and I will "likely" insta-hammer anyone in that pile that is put at L-1.
How the actual fuck does this thing have a 2010 join date? Like seriously, I want to know. Have I entered a parallel universe where this kind of shit is acceptable now? Mark my words, this will be 1525 allllll over again.
this.^
In post 1806, Katsuki wrote:Shit what did you guys do to piss chamber off so much

It's a good thing I was able to read his alignment just by receiving a msg asking to replace a chamber slot. >.>b

unvote, vote: bazinga
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #141) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:13 am

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In post 1854, Hanzo_5 wrote:Can we got some more votes on ghato please. He is a VT. a lot of you think he is scum. We have a ml to use. lets use it please.

PEdit: Im more inclined to believe mina is town. I usually panic hammer on d1 as scum just to make sure we hit town. But Im really bad at scum so I doubt that anyone in this game will be doing that as scum besides me.

More ghatokaca votes please.

Fawk it.

VOTE: Hanzo

Also I find it extremely difficult to want to read Nacho and Mina's back and forth.

@ns:

Why can't they be scum buddies distancing each other? Because to be frank that's what some of their posts are reading off to me as: distancing.
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Post Post #1884 (isolation #142) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:00 am

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In post 1881, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1860, Malakittens wrote:
In post 1800, Katsuki wrote:Gonna say now that I have no plans of reading the game/catching up.

VOTE: MINA
I seriously hate it when people do shit like this.

Why replace in when you aren't going to bother reading the damn game. (I have only replaced in and not read the game once, but that was because I was solo scum in a mulitball micro game and I had a feeling it would be a loss so i didn't bother.)
Well, I'd point to the recent faraday upick where I replaced in and instantly voted spyspyscum, then voted quadzscum the next day.

I do do my due diligence, it just doesn't involve reading the game. = =b

It's a terrible post that dismisses the value of the replacements reads.
Good4u.

This time the two players you voted I'm confident that one is town. Town off meta regardless of whatever breakdowns that have occurred this game.

The fact you don't really have any reads other than Mina, yourself and Bazinga. I'm just disagreeing with your Bazinga read.~
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #143) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:04 am

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Still dying. Might die, maybe a return. ~
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Post Post #2183 (isolation #144) » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:10 am

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I should be able to catch up soon. Didn't catch up during night because I slept so much
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Post Post #2252 (isolation #145) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:12 am

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Okay the doctor said I would finally be feeling better today and he's right. Ill catch up after work and post accordingly :)
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #146) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:47 am

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._. there was this post before I got sick that i wanted to respond too and now i can't find it ;-;
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Post Post #2259 (isolation #147) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:52 am

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In post 2185, Mina wrote:Yeah...I won't lie. I look completely horrendous right now. ^_^

Ghatokaca, there are just two things I want to know from you:

-I was serious when I asked about the second RI claim. What motivated it?
-At the end of D2, how exactly did you try to encourage me to "bus my buddies"?
My gut doesn't like this post at all.
In post 2186, notscience wrote:Oh

my

jesus

What the fuck is that tell called

I can't remember the buzzword
I know where you are coming from, but it doesn't really apply here because she's talking about her actions Day 2 going into Day 3 and nothing about the NK, but I know where your mind is atm!
In post 2189, Mina wrote:Fenchurch, I was getting to your last post (the answer might take awhile, because I'm talking about other stuff, too), but I'm not saying scum are trying to frame me at
all
, notscience. I probably shouldn't have admitted I knew this in the actual thread, but I'm self-aware enough to know how my end-of-day posts look from an outside PoV. Even leaving aside how jumbled and contradictory they were, I actually discouraged Malakittens from using her gladiator on Osseus. I knew the moment Osseus flipped that today would be very unpleasant for me.
Tbf, I don't know if sick-me would have used it w/o a majority on that. It just felt one of those weird things from Mollie's mouth and then I fell asleep so I couldn't have used it unless my meds let me stay up longer.
In post 2194, notscience wrote:The more they post

the more I feel like they're town

and the more I get worried about molliebert

:s
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Post Post #2260 (isolation #148) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:03 am

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In post 2205, notscience wrote:Btw I think chamber had an inno on ghato

discuss
Don't think so. The more I look at it I'm not as sure of it as I was previously.
In post 2206, bazinga wrote:mollie thinks our reads are really wrong and that is why we are alive

she says her reads feel off anyways, and how have we had mcuh of an impact with our waffling? none

hey dude chamber was a one shot rolecop and knew that cabd neighborized ghato?? i thought chamber rolecopped cabd
I been wondering the same for me. Why would scum keep me alive knowing I had a glad unless they aren't thinking I'm much to a threat or they wanted to kill obvtown first.

Can you please point out what makes you think the end?
In post 2207, notscience wrote:He said he didn't think it was ghato

Mala asked why

And he was like

"oh uh, the kill and the end of yesterday"

Doesn't that sound like hiding an inno
Tbh, I actually thought for a while Day 2 Chamber had some type of inno on Ghat. Which is why I kept a little bit silence because I didn't want to bring attention to it especially if I was right. Although then I wondered why he would have outted himself as easily so I was a little taken back.

It doesn't really sound like he was hiding an inno, but it did sound like he was hiding a result of some sort..
In post 2208, bazinga wrote:i remember pre-game that mollie told me the amper things (CES in particular) is really good as town and thus is a threat to be NKed if the scum team sees them as a threat.

im not relaly surprised at anyone being alive tbh
What.
In post 2220, Ampersand wrote:I came into this Day expecting to find myself voting Toasty but I guess that's been indefinitely postponed for now (I'm not ruling out bazingatraitor yet).

I'm kind of tempted to just vote Mina on the basis that she's probably always going to look like UThydra's scumbuddy but I don't think that's the right play here either. The issue that I have is with the sheer amount of claimed/outed/hinted at PRs. At least 5 PRs (and surely more given the few known VTs, especially with the hypothetised mafia roleblocker) implies to me that scum is unlikely to be Goon-Goon-RB; they really should have something like a scum gladiator or neighboriser (it needs to be confirmable; otherwise it's sort of pointless) to share in the smorgasbord of random powers. I'm not ruling out Malakittens yet (it would help explain why the main baddie was a Goon) but I think she mostly just seems a bit suspicious because of her recent absence.

Thus I get to go back to doing what I've been doing every Day! Huzzah.

Vote: Medea
What's with this traitor thing you are talking about. What led you to believe there's a traitor?..

My recent absence has nothin to do with mafia in general. I was really sick and had to focus on that, but now that I have meds and they have been in my system I'm 100% back on the mend and should be good for a while. So if you have any questions or any concerns I can clear up about me let me know.

I been toying with a scum-neighborizer for Cabd/Peng for a while in my head, but that's probably more because I can see Cabd getting away with it two games in a row, but I'm not sure if Peng could fake her activity like she's doing. I'm still leaning town on the hydra.
In post 2222, bazinga wrote:Your mentioning of a potential traitor.... Weirdos me out

Where did that come from
I like you.
In post 2223, ToastyToast wrote:
In post 2217, notscience wrote:Your ampersand clear was bad

I run into the issue however that I don't think Medea is scum anymore nor do I think Ghato is so I'm missing a scum

Is Mina/Ossy/Ampersand totally outside the range of possibilities

I don't think its impossible, although I would proabably put Hanzo in the list of possible scums given that he lurked through day 2 after being relatively active day 1. He's been very under the radar.
I'm sooooooooooo confused. I see clear and think claim, but then I go what. :[

I really do like Hanzo as scum. He was scummy Day 1, but after he {town telled (in people's mind he did, but for me he didn't)} he kinda flew off the window which bugs me and why my vote was on him Day 2. I just don't see him as town.
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Post Post #2302 (isolation #149) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:23 am

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So my head last night said it had a theory about Mina/Hanzo scum team. Then as I thought about it more I thought it was my meds talking instead of logic, but as I keep going back to this thread I'm kinda wondering the actual likely hood of it, tbh. Some stuff that I was thinking in terms of Mina interactions with Hanzo can also be applied to Bazinga because they were also at the time town reading hanzo for the same things which I disagreed with.

Also, I hate these meds. They make me so sleepy and I fell asleep while watching a show ._. Two days in a row! Also I wanted to throw a sock at TV during my 9-10 time slot until like 5 mins before the ending. Then it was just 'awwww'.

So yeah that's where my head currently stands. I kinda wanna talk to Peng or someone about the above.
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Post Post #2309 (isolation #150) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:19 am

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In post 2303, notscience wrote:I can see where you're coming from with that.

I'll respond to Ampersand's wall later today.
Good you can discuss this with me then. For a minute let's ignore mollie/bert are obv town and if they were any player, but them would you find the interactions via hanzo/Bazinga or Hanzo/Mina scummier? I find the latter, but Mina's atE is making me uneasy.
In post 2308, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 2302, Malakittens wrote:I kinda wanna talk to Peng or someone about the above.
I'm not penguin, but rumor has it her and I are joined at the proverbial role-PM hip. Have at ye.
How likely do you think Mina/Hanzo as a remaining scum team? I'm possibly considering Toasty as a third if one of those are wrong. I'm not sure why, but I haven't liked Toasty and I think someone pushing the\\09Ghat wagon could easily be scum. I also find it highly unlikely though that both scum would push Ghat and Ossy wasn't one of those 1,2&3 things because before Ossy there was your wagon which wasn't really going anywhere.

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Post Post #2311 (isolation #151) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:34 am

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Yeah I actually read that and then was like what and then saw nothing from Bazinga that made that true. The icing on the cake was when Bazinga asked ns how confidence he was on Toasty being town. So I don't think there's a clear in here.

I'm liking a Toasty over a Hanzo lynch at this point. Hanzo kinda just disappeared, but not exactly sure why. Hopefulyl he'll respond to the prod or get replaced because that slot idling isn't the best thing at all.

Also I thought that the townreads on Hanzo was for these reasons: 1.) He offered himself up to be lynched. (I personally don't see that as a town thing.) 2. He said he'd replace out because he's not good at playing town. (I also don't really see that as alignment indicative, but I see it just frustration in general. Maybe it's because I have been in his shoes as either alignment and threatening to replace out because no one was listening or because I felt I was crap. I have done it as both alignments which is why it's null to me.)

I think there's more, but my mind is slippin' when it comes too. I feel like it's something about hammering when people get to L-1. I didn't like that at all only because he seemed to have his scum reads like water and that it changed based on what others were saying at the time which felt rather opportunistic to me. There was one thing I did get a slight town vibe off Hanzo. It was him yelling at me to unpark my vote and use it elsewhere so he doesn't want to go back into his tunnel. Idk why, but that felt town to me. However, a lot of people had their vote parked last day phrase such as Ossy on Ghat. I kinda pointed that out because it did look like a scum parked vote, but I called it out by telling Ut/tbone to shut up because it was bugging me yet their attention still mainly stayed towards Ghat.
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Post Post #2336 (isolation #152) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:34 am

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I think I'm starting to get a handle on Penguin's town from her scum game. I still have hiccups, but I'm surprisingly not as paranoid as I would think I would be.

I guess your activity this game is the marker to me and you aren't/havent' commited the scum tells I do have on you.
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Post Post #2368 (isolation #153) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:34 am

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@Mollie:

Medea isn't the only one pushing the Hanzo-scum theory. I'm pushing it a lot more than them. So you say Medea is scum with Ghatty exactly why? Just the way they are pushing people or is it something else?

Also I can kinda see the point Ghatty and Ossy crossbussing, but I'm not sure if I can buy it 100% because of the way Ossy would have had to cross buss hard two days in a row.
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Post Post #2405 (isolation #154) » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:22 pm

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Mollie if you want me to use my glad say who and why. This also goes for everyone else. Ill use it and show you that I have it.
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Post Post #2408 (isolation #155) » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:29 pm

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In post 2407, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 2405, Malakittens wrote:Mollie if you want me to use my glad say who and why. This also goes for everyone else. Ill use it and show you that I have it.
Who is your biggest scumread?
~ F-16
Hanzo and Mina really..
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Post Post #2414 (isolation #156) » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:52 pm

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In post 2412, bazinga wrote:use it on ghato's slot
See the thing about this is. You're not even *voting* Ghat yet you are trying to tell me to use it on them. I don't object, but as I said if I use it I want everyone's input etc. My choices would be Hanzo or Mina as they are my top two scum reads.

@F-16:

Haven't you been analyzing Mina for quite a while now?..
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Post Post #2472 (isolation #157) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:16 am

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So like I'm working a 13 hr shift sooo ill post prob tommorow >_>
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Post Post #2519 (isolation #158) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:04 pm

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Well cosidering i ahven't used it yet means i'm patiently waiitng.
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Post Post #2530 (isolation #159) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:58 am

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In post 2526, notscience wrote:Mollie I readded him

And I have, and you don't need to read the pages, just use my iso
In post 2528, bazinga wrote:
In post 2527, notscience wrote:Also, I don't like his sudden disappearance mollie. (pre-flake.)

It doesn't look right, nor does his Ossy interactions.
hanzo was showing signs of site-flaking

which he did
To be fair I'm finding your defense of Hanzo rather odd.

You're engaging with ns about his Hanzo read, but not at all engaging with me over it who has been saying it for days now.

Also I think I may know why he site flaked which has nothing to do with this game. In my newbie he was reported for excessive behavior and language which probably contributed to it.

I can see huge differences between the two games which could lean me town on Hanzo based off that which is why I haven't used my glad on him while he was mia.
In post 2527, notscience wrote:Also, I don't like his sudden disappearance mollie. (pre-flake.)

It doesn't look right, nor does his Ossy interactions.
I didn't like his behavior after everyone called him obv town. He decided to lurk it and coast it instead of really helping as much as he could have.
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Post Post #2565 (isolation #160) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:56 am

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I'm really busy with work. I'm actually drowning due to it. I'm backed up on hw an 8 page paper on the Trojan war is due sat and a test and another assignment.

Maybe when I'm home ill get attention to this game but it depends on how distracted I get when writing.

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You know you're basically parroting Nacho right?
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Post Post #2582 (isolation #161) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:43 am

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In post 2576, Aronis wrote:
In post 2563, Medea the Alien wrote:I'd take explanations on any of Aronis's reads at this point. And also wondering how he went from not planning to read a 100 page game, to having read part of it to form reads, to not wanting to stand behind his reads until he's processed the whole game.

--PA
I didn't plan on it, but I'm on spring break and have nothing to do, so why not?
In post 2577, Aronis wrote:
In post 2564, Mina wrote:Would you consider an Ampersand wagon today, Medea?

(Uh...this would have been a better question if I hadn't already posted 2560. :oops:)
After posting 2560, this post makes no sense. Why did you change your mind so fast? Or if you were already thinking about it, why did you freaking spam "Ampersand is town" a million times?
In post 2565, Malakittens wrote:I'm really busy with work. I'm actually drowning due to it. I'm backed up on hw an 8 page paper on the Trojan war is due sat and a test and another assignment.

Maybe when I'm home ill get attention to this game but it depends on how distracted I get when writing.

Arnosis:

You know you're basically parroting Nacho right?
It's Aronis and I didn't notice that and really don't give a damn.
In post 2568, Medea the Alien wrote:
In post 2564, Mina wrote:Would you consider an Ampersand wagon today, Medea?

(Uh...this would have been a better question if I hadn't already posted 2560. :oops:)
...just a bit better, yes. :lol:

At this point I'm pretty sure I want Aronis for the lynch. So I don't want an Ampersand lynch today. If nothing else, I figure we can pull someone else into the QT tonight and get more content out of Ampersand that'll help in deciding things tomorrow. At that point, even if Aronis manages to flip town, there's guaranteed to be another town player in the neighborhood besides us by sheer numbers. I'm OK gathering more input, and given that a lot of Ampersand's case against us hinges on neighborhood interactions, having more viewpoints on that is to the good.

Ampersand, if you got what you wanted and we were dead so you could see our town alignment, what would your take on notscience be? In other words, ignoring your belief that no one could come up with a friendly neighbor theory without inside info, what's the meat of your case?

--PA
:roll: So I'm just really in the dark, So from what I can gather, you're a Neighborizer and have a neighborhood with whom in it? And Toasty is conf town and I have no idea how. And of course mala is the (fake-claimed)Gladiator.
In post 2570, notscience wrote:For fucks sake

She holds her power because you all give her shit about and now you're all giving her even more shit about it

I've explained my townreads and PoE

Yet here comes Aronis with the most fucked up readslist in the game and none of you bat an eye

He conveniently left off the two people who have been rallying for his lynch, while acknowledging the upcoming deadline without either A) Pushing his vanity wagon or b) trying to consolidate votes.

^That is what scum does

pedit-

I was trying to draw the nightkill ftr
I edited my reads list, FYI. and why are you just tunneling this slot? I'd assume, that their is at least one other scum, so why not at least try to find them?
In post 2574, Medea the Alien wrote:While we're waiting.

VOTE: Aronis

--PA
So unnecessary, but thanks anyways. :P
Two things:

Sorry about the mispell on your name. I'd probably end up doing it again so nothing personal, but I'm shit at remembering names.

Secondly, When you replaced in did you at least look at the flips? Because I find you not reading the game after people have died/lynched and not even looking at interactions kinda scummy imo.
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Post Post #2585 (isolation #162) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:11 am

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to be fair:

I'd use it on Aronis, but I feel kinda bad after he just replaced in. I was hoping that if he was town he would show me some sort of towniness, but he's going after my biggest townread. Parroting Nacho basically and has an attitude.

Mina is kinda a scum read because I think if/when Aronis flips scum that she'll likely be the partner.

Amper is just meh.

I don't have a scum read on medeas or Bazinga/ns/toasty & Ghatty idk what to make of them.
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Post Post #2588 (isolation #163) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:24 am

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Okay.


Go and hunt her
And find her
And kill her

Good fortune, Witch Hunters!

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Post Post #2591 (isolation #164) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:29 am

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Uh because I been skimming Mina and you'll be walling, but let me pick up your ISO and I'll answer whatever I missed.

To be fair Mina, I'm reads are everywhere. I have a bunch of strong townreads and I'm praying none of them are wrong. Basically my pool is down too {Aronis, Amper, Ghatty, Mina} with Medea, but I really believe Medea is town.

Unless Mollie is 'trying' to mindfuck Nacho she's town. notscience is town, I'm really not sure how to explain it other than things that Medea explained. Why would scum-notscience leave the friendly neighbor, Toasty, alive? That really makes me think notscience is town.

~

To be fair Fench. a lot of people are wanting me to use it so I guess that happened.
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Post Post #2594 (isolation #165) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:43 am

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In post 2592, Ampersand wrote:
In post 2591, Malakittens wrote:Why would scum-notscience leave the friendly neighbor, Toasty, alive? That really makes me think notscience is town.
Mala - I answered this in #2388, but basically, a soft-claimed investigative role is a much bigger threat to a scumteam than a friendly neighbour. The friendly neighbour can only confirm themselves as town; they can be killed at any time in the game. An investigative role can identify a scum as scum. Plus Katsuki/chamber was being read as town.
That's true too. I guess a friendly neighbor is an innocent child variant; strong, but not unkillable.

There's still meta reasons to call Medea town though. I thought Peng was scum in a recent game due to her lack of activity and turns out she was town.
In post 2593, Ampersand wrote:
In post 2586, Aronis wrote:Just use it already.
Aronis - why were you pushing for this to be used? Mala could have used it at any point in order to prove she has it. Why did you want it done so soon - especially when you are not even caught up with the game?

- Fenchurch
He's been parroting Nacho. Nacho was the first person to basically say Mala holding onto it makes her suspicious. Aronis jumped onto that argument afterwards.

Plus the way an Aronis recent post sounded like he wasn't planning on reading the whole thing. From my knowledge and recent posts he's read bit and pieces of the game.
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Post Post #2596 (isolation #166) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:59 am

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In post 2595, Aronis wrote:
In post 2593, Ampersand wrote:
In post 2586, Aronis wrote:Just use it already.
Aronis - why were you pushing for this to be used? Mala could have used it at any point in order to prove she has it. Why did you want it done so soon - especially when you are not even caught up with the game?

- Fenchurch
To confirm that she had it. It clears things up and now the town should have an 'easy' deadline lynch.
'easy'?

Right, Mina questions. I can't even focus today x.x
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Post Post #2600 (isolation #167) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:08 pm

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In post 2485, Mina wrote:Malakittens, why are Hanzo and I your top two scumreads? Your read on me seems to be based entirely on me fitting as a partner to Hanzo.
I answered this already.


This is the only question I could
really
find Mina.

Link to the direct question.

Also, Idk if I answered Nacho or not, but the newbie game started I believe when we were in Day 2 and by that time he was 'nasty' in the newbie game and selfvoting etc, but he did something similar in Day 1 where he offered himself for a lynch. Of course it's not the same, but it's similar in my mind.

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Post Post #2660 (isolation #168) » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:17 am

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In post 2622, bazinga wrote:
In post 1432, Hanzo_5 wrote:Perhaps I just need to replace out. Im not going to force anyone to play with me who does not want to. And believe me when i say this, there are players in this game who personally do not like me for whatever reasons they have. So much that I recently have not been able to get into any games because of WOTC. Now I know Im not being offensive to anyone or atleast it is not my intention to do so. So its either that or certain players do not think that I am good enough to be in games with them.

@Mod, Like i said I dont want to make anyone have to play with me if they have major concerns with playing with me. For the good of the game could you replace me out? I will keep playing if this is not a good enough reason.


UNVOTE:
stop saying this is a town slip or should be town cred. I HAVE my own reason to believe its not. I can't say why as of yet, but it's not.

Also Mollie you keep saying you knew I wasn't going to listen to you but I tried to engage and you didn't follow up.

I have other posts I wanted to reply too but currently can't because of work
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Post Post #2716 (isolation #169) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:24 am

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Read Mina's latest posts. They ring town. Haven't read much of the newer posts due to work and the boss is lurking around~

Also toasty if scum manage to take you to LyLo while you being confirmed town then they are ballsy as all fuck.
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Post Post #2752 (isolation #170) » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:23 am

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I just decided to reread Ossy's ISO. I'm wondering if Ossy and Nacho were straight bussing on Day 1 and Day 2. I did find in Day 2 Ossy's constant "they are scum, lynch it" as scummy behavior. Bazinga had Ghat/Nacho as strong scum and was killed last night, but part of me wonders if it was a setup to frame them by scum. I really am liking Mina as town for her recent posts Day 4. I know I didn't like her last day phrase and her back and forth between Nacho. I'm still paranoid of a Mina-Ghat scum team, but I'm not going to go all hog crazy on a theory especially when I tried to tie Mina up with Hanzo it blew up in my face.

Amper had a good point about Peng/Cabd and their emphasis on "town" neighborizer, but however I am referring to posts that Peng has made in Day 2. I'm not sure why it got under my skin, but with Peng's meta I'm sure of that slot being town. So conflicted there.


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Post Post #2753 (isolation #171) » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:24 am

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UM, ignore last line. That was me writing down an extra credit assignment for the teacher and the date that the 'vistor' comes to the school. ._.
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Post Post #2760 (isolation #172) » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:18 pm

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Yet.. Notscience can say the Bazinga kill looks a lot like something ghat-scum would pull. Also I have looking at NK's all game, but haven't really posted the results until this one because its quite interesting.

I see the irony in it and I have previously said it before that it bothered me because of the over emphasis on 'town'. Saying that its town over and over again doesn't make it true to people who don't share your PM. If I didn't know your meta like the back of my hand your overdefensiveness that came from this post in terms of me looking towards Ghat-scum can make you look like a partner imo.

I'm liking Mina as town at the moment for her posts this day phrase. To me seems like she's stepping it up a bit.
Amper really doesn't make really good sense as a Ossy partner.
I think Notscience is really town.
Toasty is confirmed town.

Also the fact the confirmed town didn't die also makes me lean more as Bazinga being a scum-Ghat kill.

I also haven't really gone back on the strong town read, but I'm trying to actively sort who could make sense as Ossy's partners.


As for Tunneling Hanzo. I was pretty sure I was right for multiple reasons, but I'm a human and I was apparently wrong.
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Post Post #2765 (isolation #173) » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:54 pm

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In post 2763, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 2760, Malakittens wrote:Yet.. Notscience can say the Bazinga kill looks a lot like something ghat-scum would pull. Also I have looking at NK's all game, but haven't really posted the results until this one because its quite interesting.

I see the irony in it and I have previously said it before that it bothered me because of the over emphasis on 'town'. Saying that its town over and over again doesn't make it true to people who don't share your PM. If I didn't know your meta like the back of my hand your overdefensiveness that came from this post in terms of me looking towards Ghat-scum can make you look like a partner imo.

I'm liking Mina as town at the moment for her posts this day phrase. To me seems like she's stepping it up a bit.
Amper really doesn't make really good sense as a Ossy partner.
I think Notscience is really town.
Toasty is confirmed town.

Also the fact the confirmed town didn't die also makes me lean more as Bazinga being a scum-Ghat kill.

I also haven't really gone back on the strong town read, but I'm trying to actively sort who could make sense as Ossy's partners.


As for Tunneling Hanzo. I was pretty sure I was right for multiple reasons, but I'm a human and I was apparently wrong.

Can you explain your reasoning for NotScience being town? I agree that Amper doesn't make sense as an Ossy partner but neither do we unless you legitimately think Ossy spent their existence in thread arguing for the lynch of one of their buddies.

There was also no repetition from Medea that they were town. They said it once. Where did you get this idea that they were repeating it over and over?
~ F-16
Meta for one. Really hard to explain, but I don't see Notscience hard defending me and asking him to be lynched before me to show Cabd how wrong he is right before scum are around two mislynches for a scum win. Also the motivation around him tryin to drag the NK after Toasty relayed the message. To be fair I actually for a while thought Notscience was a cop, but kept my mouth shut and tried to to draw much attention to it. Whoever made the comment (believe it was Amper), but keeping toasty alive after N1 so he could confirm himself to someone else doesnt sound like a scum move.

Eh, Ossy could have hard busing / distancing you. It shouldn't be not put off the table and not be disregarded lightly.

I was wrong in regards to them saying town over and over in thread. The claim has bothered me since it happened and I have explained why before, but put my paranoia in a little box and moved it to the back of my concerns because I do *believe* this is town-Peng.

Although, there was the difference of behavior between Cabds' game and this one in terms of Peng's posting, but part of it was the hydra thing, but she didn't have a strong start there as she had here.
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Post Post #2768 (isolation #174) » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:11 pm

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Would have told her the same thing I just basically said. I was wrong about Hanzo, but the reasons why I thought he was scum for made him really likely in my mind. I'm not perfect because I'm human.

Its two reasons: cabd has gambitted neighborizer so him and you being a scum neighborizer wouldnt be out of touch of reality. second thing. It's about the fact you haven't neighboriZed me yet, but I can understand picking Mina over me last night because her reach out felt town to me. I guess I can understand Night two because I was sick and less likely to talk, but still. After the Sixty game you made comments to me that everything made sense in regards to my actions in the QT after we neighboriZed you. Wouldn't you have wanted to know for sure if I was scum or town via my behavior after being neighboriZed?..
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Post Post #2804 (isolation #175) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:49 pm

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In post 2790, Medea the Alien wrote:Mina, my confusion is that Ampersand said they didn't think pairings analysis would do anything to find scum, and you said nothing about it.

And given that Ampersand is scum reading us in large part over things that happened N2, I am actually interested in your thoughts about what went down then. Because unless it's a notscience-Mala team (and I don't think notscience is scum) from town-you perspective at least one scum was involved in the 150ish neighborhood posts from then.

Also, drunk posting confuses me, like, how do people post drunk but still think to include extraneous coding tags? The difference between lack of inhibition and lack of faculties?

--PA
Obv she said she wasn't drunk.

I
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Post Post #2807 (isolation #176) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:02 pm

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In post 2805, notscience wrote:Mala what do you think of my scumpool
Well from your latest post:

You think scum is {Ghat, Amper & Mina} [?]

CabdPeng, Toasty & I {town}

That's your reads basically right?
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Post Post #2809 (isolation #177) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:07 pm

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In post 2808, notscience wrote:Si

If you're paranoid of Penguin you should let me know becaues I'm more confident in your ability to read her
Lately, I been liking Mina's posts this day phrase, but also her reach out to get into the QT. How do you feel about the QT reach out?

Amper doesn't really make sense for an Ossy partner. Not sure why.

I'm starting to get paranoid of her, but it's how her 'strong' townread went. Something bothers me about it.
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Post Post #2822 (isolation #178) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:47 pm

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In post 2812, Ghatokaca wrote:Malakittens, I don't understand what of Mina's posts you liked this day phase. All they have done is irritate me because it again seems like she is suggesting we are scum in a roundabout way and those are the kinds of scumreads that irritate me the most. She could at least have said we were scum and actually push on us so that she looks responsible upon our townflip if we do get lynched. It feels more like she is pushing it from behind and wanting town to come to its own conclusions.

NotScience, I don't know if you are aware but Mala's ability to read Penguin isn't really accurate. She mislynched Penguin in Tales of Vesperia and in Olympian Gods and both times Penguin was town. (No offense Mala, I just have a hard time taking your read seriously). Penguin is town here and I'll make a post providing my reasons why if that's what is necessary. NotScience, even if Mala is town, I suggest you consider your own read more strongly instead of Mala's read. I need to head out but I'll get back and explain why Penguin's play here is blatantly her towngame.
~ F-16
HOLD UP, HOLD UP.

I'll get to the Mina thing sooner than later, but I want to address the Peng thing right now.

I have never said I was god at reading Peng. Did you miss when BRO called me out for my wording back in Day 1
over
Peng/Cabd...?

I didn't feel town-Peng until right before I was lynched. I was waiting for a reach out for her in that game and she finally gave it to me
right
before I got sick. I'm not going to dismiss all of the blame for that game and reading her wrong, but she gave me reach outs when it was so late.

OGM was my fault however, I'll admit.

Also you're acting like I'm scumreading them when I'm
not
. I'm just getting paranoid over them again.

So why all of the defensiveness in this post?

(inB4Medea&Ghatty scumteam.)
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Post Post #2823 (isolation #179) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:48 pm

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Lynched, meant sick.

Gaaaaah, tired.
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Post Post #2824 (isolation #180) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:49 pm

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Oh fuck, what the fuck.
I didn't feel town-Peng until right before she was lynched.
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Post Post #2843 (isolation #181) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:05 pm

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Re: Ghato's posts on Medea. Granted I still haven't done my own penguin-meta yet, but the underlying issue is this: everyone here is being town-read by someone. So some of those town reads must be incorrect. As Mina said, the scum are probably playing above their meta. So just because penguin is being more aggressive than she might normally be as scum (and I'm not even totally convinced that she's been that aggressive here, but I would say her play seems townie in some other ways), doesn't mean she isn't.

My conflict on Medea is that they've clearly put a lot of effort in, which I tend to find townie, and some of their reasoning seems solid, but I also find their posting lacks certain things that I would expect from town (gut-reads; organic, natural sounding reasoning), and quite a few of the things they say ping scum for me.

The other issue is that I find Mala more scummy Today than I did Yesterday (which makes me sad). I feel her play still hasn't picked up since her absence on D2; her reads are somewhat superficial and weak, and managing to look town for D1 and then not sustaining it is reasonably common for scum. And, I don't think it's that likely that both the neighbouriser and the gladiator are scum, so if Mala is scum then Medea probably isn't.

But I can't decide which is more likely scum... lazy play and superficial reads, or strong play with some scum-tells. I'm still inclined to think the latter.
To be fair my activity was starting to die a bit before I got sick because I felt my enjoyment to the game died a bit with the whole Chamber-Mollie thing. I enjoy playing with both players, but I rarely get to play with Chamber. So I was unhappy when he replaced out over the drama. A question though before I get to my second point and I'm going to need you to answer it before I make my second point, but have you done a Mala-meta research?

The lack of posts by Cabd bugs me a bit. I know he was sick, but now he's disappeared from the thread. Peng sat said she was going to talk to Cabd, but there has been no mention of it since then. Her 180 seems really convenient possible scum-move to me because after the whole Glad thing there's great possibility for my lynch and it just seems opportunistic.

Also I haven't been going on with the setup speculation because we ended up doing that in OGM and it burned town in the face at endgame and part of it was me contributing to it in early Day 1 after I had to claim delayed-QT-cop.
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Post Post #2844 (isolation #182) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:03 pm

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Sorry Wicked related because I really have too and I'm really sorry.
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Post Post #2850 (isolation #183) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:19 pm

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Explain "worrying the fuck out of me"? Because if it's the same reasons as Peng. I'm trying to figure out the scum team that's left and sorry, but I want to remove you, but the defensiveness that's coming from both of you and Ghat is bothering me so much.
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Post Post #2852 (isolation #184) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:26 pm

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In post 2851, Medea the Alien wrote:Mm, I don't ant to give away the exact way I scumhunt you, since it is still effective; but it has to do with what natirasha calls tempo.

You were marching along nicely day one but it seems to have faded recently. I mean yes you were sick but otoh, it stated giving me paradox vibes.
Well I seem to be distracted while doing research on the trojan war so I'm here currently before my show.
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Post Post #2881 (isolation #185) » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:24 am

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In post 2856, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 2843, Malakittens wrote:
Re: Ghato's posts on Medea. Granted I still haven't done my own penguin-meta yet, but the underlying issue is this: everyone here is being town-read by someone. So some of those town reads must be incorrect. As Mina said, the scum are probably playing above their meta. So just because penguin is being more aggressive than she might normally be as scum (and I'm not even totally convinced that she's been that aggressive here, but I would say her play seems townie in some other ways), doesn't mean she isn't.

My conflict on Medea is that they've clearly put a lot of effort in, which I tend to find townie, and some of their reasoning seems solid, but I also find their posting lacks certain things that I would expect from town (gut-reads; organic, natural sounding reasoning), and quite a few of the things they say ping scum for me.

The other issue is that I find Mala more scummy Today than I did Yesterday (which makes me sad). I feel her play still hasn't picked up since her absence on D2; her reads are somewhat superficial and weak, and managing to look town for D1 and then not sustaining it is reasonably common for scum. And, I don't think it's that likely that both the neighbouriser and the gladiator are scum, so if Mala is scum then Medea probably isn't.

But I can't decide which is more likely scum... lazy play and superficial reads, or strong play with some scum-tells. I'm still inclined to think the latter.
To be fair my activity was starting to die a bit before I got sick because I felt my enjoyment to the game died a bit with the whole Chamber-Mollie thing. I enjoy playing with both players, but I rarely get to play with Chamber. So I was unhappy when he replaced out over the drama. A question though before I get to my second point and I'm going to need you to answer it before I make my second point, but have you done a Mala-meta research?

The lack of posts by Cabd bugs me a bit. I know he was sick, but now he's disappeared from the thread. Peng sat said she was going to talk to Cabd, but there has been no mention of it since then. Her 180 seems really convenient possible scum-move to me because after the whole Glad thing there's great possibility for my lynch and it just seems opportunistic.

Also I haven't been going on with the setup speculation because we ended up doing that in OGM and it burned town in the face at endgame and part of it was me contributing to it in early Day 1 after I had to claim delayed-QT-cop.
The drama ended a while ago.
Didn't matter. One of the people I wanted to play with the most left the game because of the toxic atmosphere which could have been avoided.
In post 2857, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 2852, Malakittens wrote:
In post 2851, Medea the Alien wrote:Mm, I don't ant to give away the exact way I scumhunt you, since it is still effective; but it has to do with what natirasha calls tempo.

You were marching along nicely day one but it seems to have faded recently. I mean yes you were sick but otoh, it stated giving me paradox vibes.
Well I seem to be distracted while doing research on the trojan war so I'm here currently before my show.
And then...
He didn't follow up with my reach out.
In post 2868, Mina wrote:
In post 2850, Malakittens wrote:Explain "worrying the fuck out of me"? Because if it's the same reasons as Peng. I'm trying to figure out the scum team that's left and sorry, but I want to remove you, but the defensiveness that's coming from both of you and Ghat is bothering me so much.
How exactly are Medea and Ghatokaca being defensive?
It's more how I quickly responded to calling one of them scum and the other sorta defended against it. Also just the way PA destroyed the townread bothered me and the same goes for Cabd. As I said before it seems likely in their favor as scum to make a move like that because they can easily mislynch me with others scum reading me to an extent {Mina, Ghatty, Amper & then them} Do you see what I'm getting at there?
In post 2870, Mina wrote:I was mostly just confused by why you brought up Mala in the first place.

There isn't really much else I can say that isn't horribly wishy-washy in response, but you asked, so...

Spoiler: Spoilered because all the NK analysis is WIFOM spiraling with no conclusions--seriously, NONE--and I hate this post, although there are actual fragments of opinions on Ampersand and Medea that might be worth reading
-I think those posts looked relatively townish, although they don't have as many firm conclusions as I'd have liked
-your self-meta on killing people who trust you and bussing Ghato is null since I don't think you're a likely team with Ghato anyway, although it seemed like you're overstating the pressure on Ghato D3
-no one else is a likely team with anyone because I hate this game
-part of my utter depression with this game and inability to keep my promises on Ampersand (aside from this being Bizarro!Nothing-Whatsoever-Like-Normal!CES) is that their posts on you today give me a strong gut scumread and are guilty of the sins they accuse
you
of (although I'd
really
liked Fenchurch's self-doubt in her last post in the neighbourhood that tugged on my heartstrings, and I'm much more of a townhunter than a scumhunter, so consider my head completely fucked with)
-I do feel like you rarely talk about your actual reads, and the opinions you do give aren't fleshed out--for example, I'm confused by why I'm a null read even though I'm at the zenith of towniness I've ever been for you.
-It's tempting to just sheep Ghatokaca on you rather than critically evaluate his massive meta defence, but I need to lose a townread on someone
-I think it's equally plausible that Ghatokaca killed off the most urgent threats to his team (someone accused Nacho of killing off people who suspected him in the NY game, with the obvious exception of the last Marangal kill) OR that someone is framing him, so blah.
-The bazinga and Zdenek kills are good stealth ones for Ampersand, since they eliminate an enemy but pin the blame on Ghatokaca...but Toasty might have been better

The only thing I can say about the bazinga kill is that it shuts down a lot of possible scumteams, so was a suboptimal one. I was actively avoiding mentioning doubts on bazinga in the QT for that reason. You or Ampersand have the motive, because Ghatokaca looks worse and gives you more cover. BUT Toasty wasn't pushing Ghatokaca at all as hard as bazinga was, so eliminating bazinga makes it much more likely Ghatokaca survives the day given the general zeitgeist. AND...I can think of some WIFOM reasons why notscience-Malakittens would make that kill (They're wacky! They thought bazinga was so super-town no one could miss it! They're in an okay position, so killed the person who's trying harder! They weren't privy to the Anyone-Can-Be-Scum atmosphere in the QT!), although it's less likely from them.

See why I spoilered all this?

To apologize to anyone who feels like they wasted their time, look, here's a mustachioed nudibranch!

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Questions:
-Ghatokaca, Medea, notscience, Malakittens, and Ampersand, who would you have killed each night of the game?
-Medea...can you explain how I'm a null read despite being at the zenith of towniness?
-To continue something from the QT, CESchurch, would you have killed me N1 given there was actual suspicion my way at the end of the day?
I don't know if it was Mara or I who brought up the Nacho thing in the NY game. If it was Mara that brought it up it was heavily influenced by me because I was analyzing NK's that game.

For me I most likely would have taken Cabd/Peng out first followed by Nacho or Mollie as those three are the ones who know my meta off a dime as I'm scared of Cabd/Nacho when I'm scum and I know they are town.
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Post Post #2908 (isolation #186) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:48 am

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In post 2885, Mina wrote:Mala:

1) Why did you ignore Ampersand's claim? How many scum do you believe are in {you, Medea, Ampersand}?

2) Are you saying that you'd kill Ghatokaca and Medea in this game, when they've been top suspects the whole time, rather than the players who were widely read as obvious town?

The second question also goes to notscience. Can you really say with a straight face that you'd kill Medea or Ghato, who have been lynchable the whole time?

I won't ask Ampersand to fullclaim
yet
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I didn't ignore it. I just want it to come out full.
Also think there's one scum in that group and the other is Ghatty.

Yes, regardless of their top suspects I would have killed them anyways.
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Post Post #2915 (isolation #187) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:10 pm

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Executioners are different from Gladiators...
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Post Post #2917 (isolation #188) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:43 pm

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My role is confirmed, however, my alignment is not confirmed to the class. This is different from executioners.

Where are you getting that they are the same from..?

I have played with both roles before in a game, they are different.
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Post Post #2923 (isolation #189) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:09 pm

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In post 2922, ToastyToast wrote:@malakittens: I think you are missing the point? I'm saying it doesn't really matter what your role is--its neither town nor scum on its own. its not like you are a roleblocker (which I will autolynch depending on how deep the game is). But from my perspective it would make more sense for the scum team to have something with killing potential than it would for them to have a neighborizer.
See this is the thing. I don't believe in setup speculation because it hurts town. I did it in past games and it backfired. I did it to lynch BRO and it back fired on me. I have seen singlehandly setup speculation hurt town rather than help it.

How do we know Amper is a doctor and not a Jailkeeper, for that matter. We don't plain and simple.

We don't even know what the other shots BRO had besides a vig shot. He could have had some type of protection role, or a blocking role or who the hell knows. We don't know, only him and the mod know.

@Cabd:

I think you are stretching with your last post. When Mina started this day she clearly said that neighborhood didn't have day chat. Would scum-ns be that lazy and slip up, I don't think so.
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Post Post #2941 (isolation #190) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:50 am

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Amper never did answer that question I wanted them too before they left. ._.
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Post Post #2944 (isolation #191) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:14 pm

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A question though before I get to my second point and I'm going to need you to answer it before I make my second point, but have you done a Mala-meta research?
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Post Post #2982 (isolation #192) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:16 pm

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Just something feels off about Medea, Amper AND Ghat pushing me AND ns when at least a few of them were somewhat confident we were town.

Idk, maybe it's just me.
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Post Post #3006 (isolation #193) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:08 am

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Mina you should know how awful that sounds. You do realize when I flip that meda IS lining up lynches right? You have ignored how easiy it's been for Medea to switch their read on me after one post yet they hardcore defended me throughout the game. As I said the timing is bad because if its three scum they only need two mislynches to win. If they think NS/I are a scum team and likely think I'm scum why aren't they pushing my lynch, but pushing NS instead. The same goes for both Ghatty and to an extent Amper.

Ps I'm scum hunting, but you don't see it.

Also if Amper looked at games. I'm lazy as both scum and town, but they didn't take that into consideration because if they read the game they did I was lazy town there.
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Post Post #3012 (isolation #194) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:29 am

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VOTE: Medea

Personally, I rather go the Medea route. If they do flip town, hoping they won't, Amper will probably be pitchforking me next day if this backfires on me.
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Post Post #3015 (isolation #195) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:09 am

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In post 3013, notscience wrote:I kinda want to fulfill mollie's dying wish

Plus I'm more scared to be in a potential lylo situation with nacho than I am with medea
I'm actually opposite with Medea and Nacho. I rather not be in a LyLo situation with Medea as I think Cabd is more of a deathly scary scum player than Nacho/F-16, no offense guys.
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Post Post #3038 (isolation #196) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:57 am

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In post 3036, Mina wrote:Sorry, there's more I wanted to say, but right now I'm feeling overwhelmed by things, so this is mostly a prod dodge. I feel nowhere closer to figuring out this game than I was at the beginning of the day, and still haven't done the research I wanted to, and also have a game to design in two days, so blah. </whine>

Ghato, if you want to know the truth, my gut still says it's Ampersand. Yes, I know, dodgy phone posting during a Mafia meet, but why was there basically no emotional reaction whatsoever to either anything I said or to Medea's "mean" post (actually, penguin, you've misjudged the kinds of appeals I'm a sucker for, because if anything, I thought your derision looked town)? I don't think I'll wind up voting for them, though, both because it feels unsporting to lynch them when they're V/LA and because if they're town, I'll probably have it slammed in my face after I do some rereading.
Okay, so you gave your thoughts on Amper. What's your thought on Ns/Medea, whom would you rather vote for? Granted, likely, the lynch will go either NS or Medea with a good chance of me or Ghatty. Out of the four list whom you want gone.
In post 3035, ToastyToast wrote:@Medea: well in my defense I was on trips for school two weekends in a row

@ghato: His reaction to my friendly neighbor status was so town it hurts.
I agree with the Ns thing.
In post 3034, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 3012, Malakittens wrote:VOTE: Medea

Personally, I rather go the Medea route. If they do flip town, hoping they won't, Amper will probably be pitchforking me next day if this backfires on me.
Medea lynch is bad. Can I have an update on your reads please? If you are town, work with me to secure an optimal lynch.

~ F-16
Why is it bad?

{town}

TT, ns

{Lean town}

Mina

{Scum}

Medea, Ghat

{Idk}

Amper - Slight town for the claim, but paranoid.
In post 3033, Ghatokaca wrote:
In post 3006, Malakittens wrote:Mina you should know how awful that sounds. You do realize when I flip that meda IS lining up lynches right? You have ignored how easiy it's been for Medea to switch their read on me after one post yet they hardcore defended me throughout the game. As I said the timing is bad because if its three scum they only need two mislynches to win. If they think NS/I are a scum team and likely think I'm scum why aren't they pushing my lynch, but pushing NS instead. The same goes for both Ghatty and to an extent Amper.

Ps I'm scum hunting, but you don't see it.

Also if Amper looked at games. I'm lazy as both scum and town, but they didn't take that into consideration because if they read the game they did I was lazy town there.
What is your read on NotScience? As far as I saw NotScience had you as solid town and you seemed to reciprocate the feeling but I haven't heard it in concrete terms.

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Post Post #3042 (isolation #197) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:36 am

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In post 3039, Medea the Alien wrote:F16.

Amper-notsci, possible?

I realized it makes some things make sense, and also explains why ampersand isn't jumping for joy that we're "bussing" notsci after going on and on about how he's got to be our scumbud. It's the old "call your buddy scum with a townie so in case your bus goes through you have a free mislynch" trick.

What happened to your notsci-mala...?
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Post Post #3045 (isolation #198) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:48 am

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Eh, yeah, you're scum. That's too many 'viable open' opportunities for you. I don't really like it.
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Post Post #3101 (isolation #199) » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:00 am

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@Amper:

Whom did you protect last night, if any?

@Notscience:

From playing games with PA, sadly her talking post game is more of a town-charistic than it is of a scum-charistic.

@Mina/Amper/Ghat:

I'm curious to your thoughts in light of the Medea flip.

~

In light of PA's/Cabd's flip:

I still believe that notscience is town. That's not changing. I really disagreed with PA's last post in regards to notscience. It actually just felt that PA was more bitter that ns was not lynched over them and I actually thought scum doing a last minute attempt at a bus, but in light of the flip that's not true.

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I'm glad school work is out of the way, big thanks to the fellow player, PA, whom helped me out in a tight spot when I had writer's block last night and kept me company while i wanted to tear up my paper because it made me super frustrated. <33.

I can now actually focus all my time and resources to this game and figure out where I stand. I'm going to reread all 124 pages and try not to be bias in my reads. I was really OMGUS-ly last day phrase and let my emotions get the best of me after pursuing the Medea lynch when I had PA as solid-town throughout the day phrase.
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