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Yes ma'am
Hanzo's vote is meh. While I don't think it's particularly scummy, it's anti town. It could evolve into scummy if he continually uses it to VCA dodge.
Bert's posts remind me of people like (Sakura, Nacho) who just get shits and giggles out of it. I haven't seen his super secret towntell yet, but I didn't really expect to early in D1.
Mina's reaction test and the reads she got out of said test seem genuine. I'm giving her a leaning-town read for now.
Hanzo's vote is meh. While I don't think it's particularly scummy, it's anti town. It could evolve into scummy if he continually uses it to VCA dodge.
Bert's posts remind me of people like (Sakura, Nacho) who just get shits and giggles out of it. I haven't seen his super secret towntell yet, but I didn't really expect to early in D1.
Mina's reaction test and the reads she got out of said test seem genuine. I'm giving her a leaning-town read for now.
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I am popcorn jesusIn post 90, Malakittens wrote:What are you talking about?In post 89, bazinga wrote:NOTTY MALA WANTS TO SEE YOU TURN ON THAT HIGH-POWERED SCUMDAR THAT YOU HAVE COS SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME WHEN I TRIED TO TELL HER ABOUT HOW YOU SLAUGHTERED SCUM IN SKYPE SO CAN DO THAT AND MAKE HER HAPPY? TY <3
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A+ post would read againIn post 315, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:ugh this game is fucking painful to read
I'm doing the hydra thing because I was hoping it would force me to improve because I'd have to talk stuff over before I posted, but all that translated to was me not posting because I wanted to do consensus shit so fuck that noise
so I'm down for lynching notscience, mala, and bazinga. chamber is impenetrable. mina is blindingly town. hanzo I'm leaning town on because of his hydra thing, I see that annoyance as coming from town rather than from scum.
Bring it the fuck on
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^bullshitIn post 371, Ghatokaca wrote:In post 79, notscience wrote:
Don't mind me, just going to fluffpost until I get called scummy for it
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In post 376, Hanzo_5 wrote:In post 374, notscience wrote:^bullshitIn post 371, Ghatokaca wrote:In post 79, notscience wrote:
Don't mind me, just going to fluffpost until I get called scummy for it
^scum@Notscience,You are appearing to be scummier to me with every post you submit.
Vote me then.
What have you done so far that you consider pro-town? Why is it considered pro-town?
Not my job. I already know my alignment.
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Can we get more pressure on the Malakittens wagon? It would appear that you all are either splitting votes or not voting Malakittens because you are town-reading Malakittens. If you are town reading her, and it is not a gut reason, Do provide your analysis that lead to that conclusion. If you are not town-reading her please argue as to why your lynch candidate should take precidence.
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Lets get this game moving forward.
One thing in this post I actually agree with!
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I giggled
Thoughts on Nacho's catchup post?
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mollie thoughts on HanzoIn post 384, bazinga wrote:this makes me go yuckIn post 380, Malakittens wrote:Need to see more.
I have a hard time reading Nacho, surprisingly.
nacho's catchup post is awful but I am too chickenshit to go after him but I am really sus of any1 who thinks that was town nacho in any way. like that was srsly scumnacho posting
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inb4 modkillIn post 477, Ghatokaca wrote:wow, gj tammy, i'm sure you're really freaking proud of yourself huh???
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I'm pretty sure mollie's accurately read nacho in every game we've been in (plus in general they play together all the time) and now I'm trying to think of gamesIn post 561, chamber wrote:Is Mollie especially good at reading nacho? If so, how good, what sample size?In post 560, notscience wrote:Plus if it doesn't have the mollie seal of approval it's not worth my time
xmen is most recent
I'm trying to think of times I've played with both but not in 50 shades and I'm having trouble coming up with names >.<
we were all in sitcom but mollie was scum
both were scum in hardboiled
I played with 50 in Wis's game
Nacho-town mollie scum in open 500
WHY CANT I THINK OF MORE I KNOW WEVE PLAYED TOGETHER
Ugh if I think of more I'll post them but I stand by my statement (plus you can ask them for games together)
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In post 502, notscience wrote:Christ Mala, we get it. You're town
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I would just like to take a moment for everyone to appreciate this scumteamIn post 585, Hanzo_5 wrote:I think that the scum team is Ghatokaca, Bazinga, Mallakittens/Notscience. Everyone one else is null, except Zdenek. Zdenek is strong town for D1.
Reflect on the game
Think deeply
Have a nice chuckle
Carry on
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WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
He says that he thinks Hydras are mala's buddies given her reaction to RVS?
Yet, in his scumteam, he has 4 names- 2 definate, 2 that can alternate, but one of them was the initial PREMISE behind scumteam with hydrae and one was just townreading them all
Did I miss something?
He says that he thinks Hydras are mala's buddies given her reaction to RVS?
Yet, in his scumteam, he has 4 names- 2 definate, 2 that can alternate, but one of them was the initial PREMISE behind scumteam with hydrae and one was just townreading them all
Did I miss something?
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Bert if you try to lynch mala so help me god I'm gonna cryIn post 614, bazinga wrote:Really? Please go on, cos I think I missed this and now I'm curious
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Can you explain why pleaseIn post 642, bazinga wrote:hanzo - if bro flips scum then hanzo is town town town. we already had him as derpy town to begin with but I can't follow his narrative at all but the paranoid overlays make me think just misguided town. the 1 thing incredibly funny and poetically ironic was when he put zden as strong town for not buddying anybody but then....proceeds to buddy zden. that is the kind of thing I default scumread but again if bro flips scum then hanzo is surely town.
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I'm actually starting to lean BRO for that.In post 677, bazinga wrote:yo who do you think is the most informative lynch for today, for 200, Alex?
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I've been town for pagesIn post 723, bazinga wrote:^ townIn post 720, notscience wrote:I'd put him at L-1 but I'd rather not see a derphammer
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Bite meIn post 832, Ghatokaca wrote:In post 794, notscience wrote:Which part?
Because I trust mollie, and I know I can't ever catch nacho-scum.
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No. Just... no.In post 963, bazinga wrote:Falcon, I see that Cabd's game Cowardly Hider just ended - you played in it with Nacho as a hydra and got mislynched in LYLO. Discuss. Also, notscience maybe weigh in?
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Mala's not scum, nice try though.In post 976, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:psh, we gave you ghat and mala, not my fault you're so enamored with reading your own words that you refuse to see it
look, ghat was happening and you jumped ship to pursue us rather than lynch scum. you afraid of the bus bro?
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I get really bad vibes from thisIn post 993, Hanzo_5 wrote:It seems to me that Notscience, bazinga, Malakittens, and Ghatokaca are really making it impossible to lynch a player they do not want to be lynched. Is this an acceptable town tactic on d1 to almost prevent lynches withere vote splitting wagoning technique?
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I actually agree with thisIn post 1136, ToastyToast wrote:I think ghato's "I've never been mislynched day 1, this is embarrassing" comes off as town. I'd expect more aggression from a scum-hydra consisting of F-16 and Nacho. I wish I could comment more, but I'm in classes all day. Will try to check up if my vote is needed.
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You say this like you think I'll stopIn post 1173, BROseidon wrote:oh look not science continues to suck at this game.
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@MinaIn post 1168, Medea the Alien wrote:Here's what town-bro being mislynched looks like. It's not what he looks like here:
Spoiler: Micro 295 Snippets
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Nope!In post 1225, BROseidon wrote:Do you apply thought to things ever?In post 1223, notscience wrote:@MinaIn post 1168, Medea the Alien wrote:Here's what town-bro being mislynched looks like. It's not what he looks like here:
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I resemble that comment!In post 1226, BROseidon wrote:We just have idiot townies who can't fucking think through basic logic like looking at a fucking corpus of meta instead of cherry picking data.
Why are you getting more mad at me than every other person on the wagon?
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The "PR" cc'd by my strongest townread? Nah.In post 1249, BROseidon wrote:Or you could hammer the VT claim over the PR.
It really, truly, is.In post 1250, BROseidon wrote:But that would require you not sucking, which I guess is too hard for you.
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In post 1251, notscience wrote:It really, truly, is.
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Then dip it in lemon juice, right?In post 1264, BROseidon wrote:Go run your hand through a paper shredder.In post 1262, notscience wrote:I'm actually enjoying it, it's absolutely hysterical.
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In post 1270, BROseidon wrote:Maybe a PL on ns in there if people are feeling nice to scum.
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Although these deadline interactions are going to be spectacular when we have a flip or two.
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I actually fully endorse a PL on me, nice try thoughIn post 1279, Hanzo_5 wrote:That lynch embargo hiding behind hes town cuz of meta.
Can we lynch me instead of an UNCC'd PR claim? Im clearly the worst player here and like i doubt i will be NK'd you guys really want me in LyLo.
P-EDIT: That scum mina vote split. Hammer someone.
Mina why aren't you voting scum
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Every minute of every day
I'm not hammering nacho btw
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In post 1317, Hanzo_5 wrote:NS cannot read scum at all. Why are we trying to lynch an UNCC'd PR?
Oh, I'm sorry, have I not given you enough attention?
lol LOL LOOOOOL
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A partial cc is not a CC.
My dad's black and my mom's white so I'm white. Right?
Lets lynch Ghato things already.
lol
P-edit: Everyone ignore NS.
If it wasn't obvious everyone was already doing that
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In post 1327, chamber wrote:Like, its pretty easy to lash out against THIS.In post 1324, notscience wrote:Mala noone's going to bother because molliebert's already promised to hammer nacho16 at deadline.
Then mollie dies tonight and a BRO wagon never reforms while he coasts to endgame to win
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These posts leading up to deadline are so fucking town holy fucking shit why are people still voting ghato
Anyone currently here and on the Ghato wagon are due for investigation tomorrow. Js.
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Ghato I swear to god I am going to hammer you if you're comparing me here to 295 I don't give a fuck how town you are
Anyone currently here and on the Ghato wagon are due for investigation tomorrow. Js.
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Ghato I swear to god I am going to hammer you if you're comparing me here to 295 I don't give a fuck how town you are
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Okay. I looked over some isos last night
Mina's right re;hanzo, I feel absolutely fine with Hanzo in my upper echelon townreads based on that. However, I disagree with her re:Toasty however, I can explain this more later
Mala's still town and I won't be voting her ever
Mollie living through N1 made me go O.o but I dunno it feels like town-mollie to me
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bazinga
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Toast
Maybe town but I don't know
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Ghato
Chamber
I don't like them and they should probably die soon
Ossy <--- Partial OMGUS but I can't really call them town so \o/
amper <---I can barely remember anything from this slot
Medea <---
Mina's right re;hanzo, I feel absolutely fine with Hanzo in my upper echelon townreads based on that. However, I disagree with her re:Toasty however, I can explain this more later
Mala's still town and I won't be voting her ever
Mollie living through N1 made me go O.o but I dunno it feels like town-mollie to me
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bazinga
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Maybe town but I don't know
Mina
Mollie, do you think Mina would waffle that much as scum?
Ghato
If Medea flips scum then swap him with ossy
Chamber
I don't like them and they should probably die soon
Ossy <--- Partial OMGUS but I can't really call them town so \o/
amper <---I can barely remember anything from this slot
Medea <---
Cabd always defaults to a scumread
I dunno, it's partial sheeping Bro and partial BoP scumread after 295 for Peng and I'm not really able to call them town- notscience
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Is my unwavering townread on you not enough?In post 1503, Malakittens wrote:Okay so Amper/Notscience/Ossy has not given comments in regards to my claim.
So like thoughts on that, pls and thanks.
Hanzo -- you are indeed tunneling me. It means you are just straight out voting me off the bat. You might be looking at others while you do it but you are reminding me of Mara's tunneling in TMH.
That was meant to say Mala not mamaIn post 1505, Hanzo_5 wrote:VOTE: Ghatokaca
NS, I think nacho is scum because of his malakittens read and his mollie(bazinga) read. I think that he gave Mala's play too much of a pass and I think that he should have been scum reading mollie because she was fairly inactive in the begining and I have seen where he has caught her as scum for that reason before.
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I mostly deal in a absolutes. I thought you were scum and I gave you ample room and time to convince me of otherwise. By admiting that i have my eye on other players you admit that I do not have tunnel vision and I am not tunneling you. I have a had a change of heart because I just dont see scum risking their lynch that hard to get a vig killed. I still have my doubts and Bro did say the way you claimed allowed for you to wiggle around his flip. So i have you leaning town.
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I'm trying to figure out the intent behind chamber trying to argue whether or not the soft cc was valid. Chamber why did you argue this? And why do you no longer think Ghato is scum.
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PEdit: I dont see Osseus as scum. Why is everyone seeing you as scum Osseus?
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In post 1516, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Like NS is doing for example.
Didn't called you scum, said I couldn't call you town
ty bye
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? Why them? I think they're pretty damn town
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Mala the fact I'm willing to pull that gambit tells you how sure I am of my townreads. That means ALL of them.
Same stick for mollie re:you, I'm not going to let you go after Toasty. While yes, it could be faked and RL circumstances, you're kinda stretching for reasons to call him scum, which should show you how you want to townread him.
Same stick for mollie re:you, I'm not going to let you go after Toasty. While yes, it could be faked and RL circumstances, you're kinda stretching for reasons to call him scum, which should show you how you want to townread him.
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Oh, I don't.In post 1741, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote:Notsci is one of those players who is kind of just there in a mafia game. That's how I feel he is this game. He's just there. Like a treestump or something, not really a part of the game, but in the game. He has made a ton of posts while essentially saying nothing, which I think is what UT doesn't like about him, but he'll have to post on that. Also the townscumbloc is terrible, and if you're town and generally believe these are good things you need to stop it. What happens when you let scum into your townbloc?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5472560
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5409001
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5426501
How I approached this game once I got involved, hard to follow but my method was here- http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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I don't let scum in my townblocs. These are people I will 100% go to bat for to be town. If any of them flip scum I will selfvote the next day, that's how positive I am. My goal is to find more/try to keep these people from killing each other.
As for the "kinda just there" shtick yeah, that's usually me but I'm trying to fix it by townblocing so sue me
That being said-
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Can you please unvote chamber? I know you really think he's scum and I get that he thinks you are but look at what me and Mala are thinking regarding you twoIt's seriously a TvT and it reminds me of you and ETL in Hydra mafia
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I was referring more towards the thought of them not being effective. We all know I'm a designated mislynch down the road, and you have a strong block of people to rely on to be town. I could sit here and argue until my face is blue about why I'm town, be it finding townreads that I trust and trying to get them to work together and avoid eating each other alive, or the fact that it's way easier for scum-NS to just fake scumhunt.
The point is, town-NS is really good at finding town. I gave you proof of that, so when I get ML'd later in the game you can go back and AVOID LYNCHING in the townbloc
The point is, town-NS is really good at finding town. I gave you proof of that, so when I get ML'd later in the game you can go back and AVOID LYNCHING in the townbloc
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@Mala- After I posted that last nihgt I did some thinking and I'm moving Hanzo up, I'll outline why for you in a bit but if it's how I think it is then he's town as fuck
@Cabd- lol. We both know I can't read you for shit, so of course I'm taking other peoples reads
@Mollie- I actually feel good about this bloc and probably won't be removing anyone sans something huge and terrible. There are 4 outliers now, so looking good.
@Katsuki- HI KATSUKI PLS GET YOUR VOTE OFF MOLLIEBERT TY
@Cabd- lol. We both know I can't read you for shit, so of course I'm taking other peoples reads
@Mollie- I actually feel good about this bloc and probably won't be removing anyone sans something huge and terrible. There are 4 outliers now, so looking good.
@Katsuki- HI KATSUKI PLS GET YOUR VOTE OFF MOLLIEBERT TY
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I don't really get the distancing vibe, although I see where you'd kinda get it.
As for Hanzo being town, step back and look at the position he's in. He's little less than tolerated this game and he's kinda in that self-defeatism mode where everyone's just a total and utter dickhead to him. So whereas before he was posting and trying to be helpful, he's kinda fizzled as of late, most likely due to some of the attitudes/words flying around this game. When I read his posts I seriously see the self defeatism and disconnection I've seen several times before
As for Hanzo being town, step back and look at the position he's in. He's little less than tolerated this game and he's kinda in that self-defeatism mode where everyone's just a total and utter dickhead to him. So whereas before he was posting and trying to be helpful, he's kinda fizzled as of late, most likely due to some of the attitudes/words flying around this game. When I read his posts I seriously see the self defeatism and disconnection I've seen several times before
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Pretty sure I've done way more of this than you have, js.In post 1867, Mina wrote:I'm sorry to everyone for making the game unpleasant.
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She's town.In post 1935, ToastyToast wrote:How convenient!In post 1931, Katsuki wrote:Why'd you guys make chamber ragequit?In post 1923, bazinga wrote:Katsuki, got any questions for me?
I wanted a scum PM but the moment I saw I was replacing Chamber (and how he replaced out), I knew it was a town slot.
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First and foremost, I'm sorry I've been a shitty player thus far. I'm trying to fix that, so I'm going to outline my thoughts on why people are town and then other tidbits I'm not really liking from others.
Green=Town
Blue=Flipped Town
Pinkpurplething=me
1. Ampersand (Cogito Ergo Sum + Fenchurch)
5. Ghatokaca (F-16 Falcon + Nachomamma8)
8. Medea the Alien (cabd + penuin_alien)
9. Mina
11. Osseus pseudotripodis (Untrod Tripod + TBone)
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1. Ampersand (Cogito Ergo Sum + Fenchurch)
Okay, so let's start here. They've kinda been a nonentity this game for whatever reason- granted, I've never played with either before so I don't know if this is usually the case. However, I don't like their stance regarding me. One null-scumming me and one "townreading" me off of one post reminds me the goodnight hydra in 1520, who basically used their 2 heads so they could have more scumreads/excuse votes on people in the future.
2. Bazinga (pirate mollie +Bert)
Bert's trolling at the start of the game doesn't seem like something scum-bert would do, no? There's also the fact that mollie's been so exuberant this game while as scum she's kinda like ugh man I hate my role pm and it's easily catchable by everyone else (because I always townread her anyways because she's mollie :<) but this game is a serious townread. Bert getting upset I was only talking to mollie when we play together a lot too came off as town, not scum upset because I'm avoiding the head of the hydra I can actually read decently.
3. Broseidon
the mod told me so
4. Katsuki Chamber
Well, chamber felt town in and of itself. While yes, I was daunted by the proactivity compared to prior games, the "give a shit mode" bit makes a lot of sense. I feel like his/mollie's spat was a TvT, I don't think scum-chamber would have replaced out like that. There's also the fact that Katsuki came in here not sounding an ounce like Anything goes Katsuki, but meh. Part of this read is also trusting Mala's townread on chamber before he left too.
5. Ghatokaca (F-16 Falcon + Nachomamma8)
I'm so back and forth on this slot I'm a mess. On the first hand, blahblah competing D1 wagons blah blah. There's also the fact that F16 constantly talks of wanting to speak to Nacho- granted I need to go recheck that game that I definately wasn't in first- but without rechecking, it makes me think of Landmind from 1526 where they had to wait to have the secret board meetings behind the scenes. They were town there, yes. But I dunno, part of me wants to sheep the everliving fuck out of mollie on this so I probably will end up doing so.
6. hanzo_5
7. malakittens
So, for starters, Mala's aggravation at me for dicking around early and leaving my vote parked on her for so long reminds me of Mala from Trollie's macbeth mafia. When I was the confirmed innocent child revealing on page 8 and everyone was slamming on me (in xeno2) I'm pretty sure Mala was on my "side" as scum- granted she did similarly in Trollie if I remember correctly. There's also the arguments with mollie- upset because she wants to work to refine reads with mollie but mollie's being distant for whatever reason. Why would scum-mala worry about that, constantly try to reach out to mollie? The interactions they've had have felt like TvTs. I can also kinda get her aggravation at the tunnels and etc. I also believe her claim. Given what other roles we've seen- JoaT and a neighborizer, a Gladiator doesn't seem too farfetched- and why fakeclaim THAT as scum? If she was ever asked to prove it she couldn't.
8. Medea the Alien (cabd + penuin_alien)
I'll be the first one to say my read on Cbad defaults to scum about 80% of the time. But here's what bugs me about them. For one, when I was showing the independence and pseudo- townreading Ghato yesterday, they were fine inviting me into the "Ghato is town bus" but today Cabd wants nothing to do with me in regards to how I read them. I don't remember reading them any differently D1.
9. Mina
Part of me wants to sheep mollie on this read too. I can see proactivity and waffling and an engagement that comes off pro-town, but I can see Mala's point about her interaction with Ghato seeming like a distancing attempt. I'm going to need a Ghato flip before I can make any solid assertions on this slot, which I know is abyssmal given the amount of content brought forward by her.
10. notscience
He pm'd me his role pm. Dude's town
11. Osseus pseudotripodis (Untrod Tripod + TBone)
I've been scum-null back and forth with this read too. I didn't like their D1 lurking. I didn't like their mongering for Nachoblood, it feels like a bus/scum sure they could get off a mislynch, yet the cockiness feels town at the same time leaving it up in a null position. Similar to ampersand, I don't like the way their read sits for me.
12. ToastyToast
This is kinda the hardest to explain. It's primarily a gutread I got when I looked over ISOs during night phase. I realized his reads actually were lining up with mine. Usually this doesn't happen, but I feel like similar ideas/readslists actually convey similar alignments. Some of his more recent stuff- the color commentary stuff, reminds me of something I would do. There's also the fact that he's positioned to be the Lylo mislynch. Look at where he sits in everyone's readslists except mine- he's in null-scum territory and he's going to sit there until lylo. Hell, no scum's going to even try to whiteknight him. It'll be too easy to 1v1 him in lylo. I liked his response to Medea's readswall. It had a suitable amount of "fuck your shit I'm town"
13. Zdenek
He done got shot doe
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In post 2018, Doduo wrote:You two aren't allowed to vote toasty
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And okay then who are we wagoning
What didn't feel genuie to you?
Slight difference could be to time
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In post 2215, Ghatokaca wrote:By putting aside my suspicion of you in 2096, I had hoped that if you were scum with Osseus, you would be more willing to bus if I didn't call both of you scum together. What's an RI claim? I am assuming you are talking about Nacho saying that we are a VT again. Don't know why he claimed a second time.In post 2185, Mina wrote:Yeah...I won't lie. I look completely horrendous right now. ^_^
Ghatokaca, there are just two things I want to know from you:
-I was serious when I asked about the second RI claim. What motivated it?
-At the end of D2, how exactly did you try to encourage me to "bus my buddies"?
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since Bazinga can clear Toasty. I'm going to look through UT/T-Bone meta to see how they treat their buddies. At this point, I don't think it is likely that Ampersand, Medea, Bazinga, or Toasty are scum. Ampersand read is mostly based on leading the Ossy lynch in a way that doesn't make sense as a bus.
Scum are likely among Hanzo5, NotScience, and Mina. I am thinking 2/3. Nacho is wondering about the possibility of Mala being scum. I am considering the possibility since I could see reasons why any one of the above three are town.
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The fact you have 2 of my townreads and me in your "scumblock" is fucking hilarious
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I'd like to take a moment from all this to stop and point attention to a very concerning matter.
A great transgression has recently occurred, something that can't just be let idly pass on.
Ampersand, or should I say, chief scumfuck, has tried to pass off a comment that there are people in this game more town than I.
Now, as many of you know, I bring with me a brand of obvtownity, a brand of that sure-fire town blend that can't be imitated by anyone.
Yet, here we have a scumfuck, trying to pass off a scumread on me on the basis "oh everyone else looks townier." That doesn't happen. You don't look more town than me.
aka, we have scum thinking they can push an easy mislynch on me with the "oh he's least towniest" bullshit.
True. But I don't rate people on towniniess. I look for tells and use them, I don't do the 'oh everyone is town' bullshit
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VOTE: Ampersand
this is so late and I have so much to read but ohwell
A great transgression has recently occurred, something that can't just be let idly pass on.
Ampersand, or should I say, chief scumfuck, has tried to pass off a comment that there are people in this game more town than I.
Now, as many of you know, I bring with me a brand of obvtownity, a brand of that sure-fire town blend that can't be imitated by anyone.
Yet, here we have a scumfuck, trying to pass off a scumread on me on the basis "oh everyone else looks townier." That doesn't happen. You don't look more town than me.
aka, we have scum thinking they can push an easy mislynch on me with the "oh he's least towniest" bullshit.
But notscience, you townhunt to find scum!
True. But I don't rate people on towniniess. I look for tells and use them, I don't do the 'oh everyone is town' bullshit
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VOTE: Ampersand
this is so late and I have so much to read but ohwell
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because his role pm reads town and he's too prickly to be scumIn post 2288, bazinga wrote:notty why is toasty town again
sorry forgot to reply to this one
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these are out of order but yoloswag for jesus
Why would I give a damn about changing your mind when you're scum? It's a waste of my time.
@Medea- add that to the list after my chat with mala
and ignore bert smoke the dude's town
Ah, the cherrypicking is absolutely marvelous. Do tell, how does the rest of my play compare to that game? The apathy, the dodging, the cowardice, yet none of these make a mention in this game. And I don't deal with minor accusations. It's a full accusation or it's nothing, there is no in-between.In post 2283, Ampersand wrote:You also seem to be overreacting to what is currently a fairly mild accusation against you (we're voting Medea; she's the top scumread). I'm not that certain, it is a 'this seems most likely' thing right now, but this post does nothing to change my mind, when I compare it to notsci's #328 and #475, as scum as Micro 289.
Why would I give a damn about changing your mind when you're scum? It's a waste of my time.
You say you try to tell if someone would write this if they were scum. Okay. Why are you cherrypicking so hard? You claim to be using meta, but if you are it's only specific posts out of games rather than the general picture. My recent scumgames have been abominable, yet that makes no mention. So no.In post 2283, Ampersand wrote:b) looking for tells is exactly what I've been doing - I said 'everyone else has done things that makes them seem more town', and what are 'things' if not 'tells'? I mean, maybe I still wouldn't use the word tells... for me it's more, I read through posts and I try and think, 'can I imagine this player writing this if they're scum?' And reading through yours and Medea's, there were far fewer times when I couldn't.
@Medea- add that to the list after my chat with mala
and ignore bert smoke the dude's town
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HANZO BAZINGA INTERACTIONS
25 Hanzo votes Bazinga on the basis of being a hydra. Assuming a Hanzo/bazinga/Ossy scumteam means that he explicitly stated wanting to lynch a subsection of people (in which both his buddies lie) based solely on appearance. I don't really think scum would do that.
65 I really don't like the line after the Mina quote. I don't think it's something he would say regarding a teammate though.
170 The last line, asking bazinga's intent doesn't really feel like a scum/scum interaction. The distancing from osseus at the start of the post really is interesting though.
177 This post gives me ew vibes. I don't know, I don't like the end of 1 and 2 just feels awkward.
198 I don't think scum would stick to such a weak reasoning to backup a vote like that on their buddy. You know when you're scum, how every little thing your buddy does seems like the epitome of scumslip, so it's easy to fake a scumread? I don't really get that here. I think it's scum, yes, but not scum with mollie.
201 Yeah... I dunno, I don't like this post. Feels off.
266 Defending you. I don't really know, I don't often see scum a going after someone and scum b whiteknighting them like that, usually it's a T/S interaction.
25 Hanzo votes Bazinga on the basis of being a hydra. Assuming a Hanzo/bazinga/Ossy scumteam means that he explicitly stated wanting to lynch a subsection of people (in which both his buddies lie) based solely on appearance. I don't really think scum would do that.
65 I really don't like the line after the Mina quote. I don't think it's something he would say regarding a teammate though.
170 The last line, asking bazinga's intent doesn't really feel like a scum/scum interaction. The distancing from osseus at the start of the post really is interesting though.
177 This post gives me ew vibes. I don't know, I don't like the end of 1 and 2 just feels awkward.
198 I don't think scum would stick to such a weak reasoning to backup a vote like that on their buddy. You know when you're scum, how every little thing your buddy does seems like the epitome of scumslip, so it's easy to fake a scumread? I don't really get that here. I think it's scum, yes, but not scum with mollie.
201 Yeah... I dunno, I don't like this post. Feels off.
266 Defending you. I don't really know, I don't often see scum a going after someone and scum b whiteknighting them like that, usually it's a T/S interaction.
I'm taking a quick intermission to say I feel like I'm creating a case for hanzo-scum >.>
285 This feels weird given his former opinions regarding bazinga.
356 Ow. I really don't like the end of this post. "what a weird post" just... no. It doesn't sound right.
555 Okay, this last line. I really don't think mollie would call out both of her scumbuddies like that. Most people wouldn't.
585 The slight OMGUS of them doesn't sound right. Also, look at his "strong town read" at the end- the D1 kill.
668 Calling out a scumbuddy as a bad reaction to the readslist and 2 townies as good reactions? I'd personally expect to put a scumbud in the town list and a town in the scumslot
678 Um... ew. This looks forced.
694...700 I don't like this interaction either. Feels bleh.
811 Yeah, I can see this stance having a town and scum in it.
993 Same deal as above. I can also see it as 4 town. It's one of the two.
1279 I'd comment on this if this was a hanzo case!
[post=|I don't care what fucking post this is (it's 1378)hanzo's full of shit if he's town and I want to lynch him on policy for this[/post|
1424 Hmmmm..
1428 Okay, I can see this being a S/S interaction.
1479 Scum defending a buddy that selfvoted and basically challenged town to lynch them? I don't know how likely that is.
1492 There's a similar post in mina's iso I think. I don't think both are town though.
1675 bazinga's sure town as his osseus (and mina). what are the odds he put all his scumbuddies in sure-town?
1682 Don't think scum would call abother scum out on that
1735 Goes back to "will scum defend the targets of another scum"
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1876 Doesn't feel like it would come out of the scumthread if at all.
2160 Leaning town, pretty common place for scumbuddies
VOTE: Hanzo
285 This feels weird given his former opinions regarding bazinga.
356 Ow. I really don't like the end of this post. "what a weird post" just... no. It doesn't sound right.
Another intermission- I'm going to check mollie's last readslist of Street Racers to see her scumbud spread
555 Okay, this last line. I really don't think mollie would call out both of her scumbuddies like that. Most people wouldn't.
585 The slight OMGUS of them doesn't sound right. Also, look at his "strong town read" at the end- the D1 kill.
668 Calling out a scumbuddy as a bad reaction to the readslist and 2 townies as good reactions? I'd personally expect to put a scumbud in the town list and a town in the scumslot
678 Um... ew. This looks forced.
694...700 I don't like this interaction either. Feels bleh.
811 Yeah, I can see this stance having a town and scum in it.
993 Same deal as above. I can also see it as 4 town. It's one of the two.
1279 I'd comment on this if this was a hanzo case!
[post=|I don't care what fucking post this is (it's 1378)hanzo's full of shit if he's town and I want to lynch him on policy for this[/post|
1424 Hmmmm..
1428 Okay, I can see this being a S/S interaction.
1479 Scum defending a buddy that selfvoted and basically challenged town to lynch them? I don't know how likely that is.
1492 There's a similar post in mina's iso I think. I don't think both are town though.
1675 bazinga's sure town as his osseus (and mina). what are the odds he put all his scumbuddies in sure-town?
1682 Don't think scum would call abother scum out on that
1735 Goes back to "will scum defend the targets of another scum"
1854
RED FLAG RED FLAG
Hanzo scumflip=ghato confirmed town.1876 Doesn't feel like it would come out of the scumthread if at all.
2160 Leaning town, pretty common place for scumbuddies
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46 Distance from hanzo in one of her first posts.. Meh.
47 This is 6 minutes after the former, and asks where Hanzo is. This makes me wonder- if Hanzo flips encryptor, that means he was talking in the chat and not in the thread.
65 Awkward first line. His interactions with mina regarding her post 27 sounds like he's just going through the motions.
75 Her response to Hanzo sounds semi-genuine, not beyond the scope of belief for a S/S
195 I'm pretty sure I have all of the mentions of Hanzo in Mina's posts thus far. I don't really see this trajectory coming from them, then at the end saying all wagons but Medea and BRO are bad. I'm not sure why there's not a "If a hanzo wagon started up that'd be good too" which seems off.
202 So, this goes back to my theory of scum-daytalk. Mina tells Hanzo he missed commenting to her reads list. He comments on one read, being my read, rather than her read on him which arguably had no trajectory.
205 responds to his question about her read on me, nothing really in the undercurrents.
212 Asks mollie to sell her on Hanzo-town. Like she's trying to find a way to escape a Hanzo-scumread because contrary to her expectations, the general consensus seemed to be ignoring hanzo.
225 The interaction kinda is anti-daytalk imo (unless they're not scum together). That sounds like something that would go in the QT.
227 This reads as forced, and I get it's kind of a fill in the blank but still. I don't really get the sense of a scumread here.
234 I feel like he's subtly defending Mina here. It's like he's trying to convince her she's town. It's weird. He's also asking her to justify things regarding her read on specific posts. Don't know if scum would do that.
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Mina did not answer his question and he did not chase after her for it, but he DID chase after bazinga when they didn't answer his questions.423 Lists a group of 6 people, both Hanzo and Ossy are in the list. Do you think scum-Mina would do that?
703 The first interaction after 300 posts. Almost like they realized they were subconciously avoiding each other. Weak reachout from Mina.
810 Again, questions his vote reasons.
811 Responds to 810, not her prior question though. Nor does she redirect his attention to it- as if she doesn't care what his answer is.
934 Ew. This looks disgusting with the ossy scumflip.
1155 Hates herself for not starting a counterwagon on Hanzo/toasty/medea. I'd wager she'd put at least one buddy in the mix, you do the math. Also, her scumread on him is kinda present without her really pushing on him like some of the other things. Btw, if Mina/Hanzo is scum Mala gets MVP hands down, especially since the blood gods are screaming out to me
1279 Distances himself from her, calls her scum. There's like no trajectory of this at all in his ISO.
1306 She makes a comment regarding Hanzo's latest post but guess who she has yet to vote! What is Hanzo_5?
1402 Okay. So this is a really sudden flip. Like, we're talking about a guy figuring out he likes guys in the middle of a harem. That kind of flip. Also, she had posted before this and only now she's townread Hanzo? This sound off to anyone else?
1412 All of a sudden, he's asking her for Mala votes. I thought he was scumreading her?
1415 The ML is your fault
1416 Oh, I am so underdressed for the theatre! Bravo, brava! It looks planned. Like they're setting each other up to "townpost"
1420 um wat
1427
RED FLAG RED FLAG
Okay. So. Just. No. I can't. Just look at the post.1430 Trying to coddle Hanzo...
1434 Kinda mushy gushy to be s/s
1438 ^
1472 More about Hanzo being town
1665+1675 They're both in each others highest town-tier.
2072 No real interactions until this post, he asks her to vote Ghato. P sure this is when their scumbuddy is going down
2296 Asks for a prod on Hanzo
You know what I notice? There's not a lot of pushing hanzo, nor trying to work with him even though she feels confident he's town.
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It's hard to keep bias out of my read given how obvtown they've been, and I admit I did a bad job of it in some cases. But the OVERALL point was to answer this question, which set was scummier. I supported it with what I posted.In post 2309, Malakittens wrote:Good you can discuss this with me then. For a minute let's ignore mollie/bert are obv town and if they were any player, but them would you find the interactions via hanzo/Bazinga or Hanzo/Mina scummier? I find the latter, but Mina's atE is making me uneasy.
You prefer black cherries or maraschino? I don't know which's easier to pick, but you sure do seem to love it!
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Because Mala asked me to look at Hanzo/(Mina/bazinga) interactions and tell her which I thought was worse.In post 2344, Ghatokaca wrote:NotScience, why are you posting interactions with Hanzo instead of with UT? Hanzo hasn't flipped yet. In any case, I want to wait to see what the replacement comes up with. My reads are in flux right now and I am sure I am wrong about at least one of my townreads but don't know who.
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One thing to note- both had similar stances on meta. Like, carbon copies. I'm not sure if scumbuddies would do that or not.
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Same deal with 3diceIn post 2347, Ghatokaca wrote:Notsci, tell me why I'm making a horrible mistake and why I should be voting Mina instead.
I can tell you why you're making a mistake with that Ampersand vote.
WHO WAS STUPIDLY FUCKING TOWN AND SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN THE LYLO ML
It'll come tomorrow, I spent the day with relatives after work so now I'm taxed. And you should be voting Hanzo. Not mina.
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Nacho lead a wagon on a townie D1 of newbie 1462
but they NL'd
I came in D2 and started screaming bloody murder about how obviously town the wagonee was
Nacho doesn't change his read until D3 and it's in a slimy underhand way that I should have recognized but lolnope
I die N3 because NL and then we end up having replacements lynch 3dice (it wasn't even a scum quickhammer, scum was the first vote and nacho never voted him)
And I'm still mad at them lynching him
but they NL'd
I came in D2 and started screaming bloody murder about how obviously town the wagonee was
Nacho doesn't change his read until D3 and it's in a slimy underhand way that I should have recognized but lolnope
I die N3 because NL and then we end up having replacements lynch 3dice (it wasn't even a scum quickhammer, scum was the first vote and nacho never voted him)
And I'm still mad at them lynching him
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...In post 2388, Ampersand wrote:He's also the type of player I figure prefers scum
no.
Why did I hold the information? Bert retracted his stance so people thought he was just gambling. My intention, as I already said, was to get myself nightkilled for softing an inno so hard (because tbf I don't want to be in lylo situations), and hide his role until he's run up or it's lylo so we have a wagon to analyze/a conftown. Because I learned what to do and what not to do with confirmed town roles >.>
As for the wallposts, I'm not great at picking out the little patterns yet. I can look at the thing as a whole and give my thoughts, but nuances escape me for the moment.
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Coasting off a townread given for one statement where he offered himself up as a lynch over a claimed PR and vanishing as well as using constant tunneling behavior to avoid having to broaden his borders.
Of course, you'll just use the "I can't justify my predecessor" excuse, but meh.
I'm one of your supposed scumreads, correct? Yet you don't reference any scum-motivation that could have lead to that post. No "HE ONLY WANTS YOU TO DO THAT TO SECURE A MISLYNCH". Nothing.
No.
Of course, you'll just use the "I can't justify my predecessor" excuse, but meh.
... Ew.In post 2504, Ampersand wrote:A relative newbie just replaced into that slot with a decent amount of pressure on them. This is definitely not the time to use a Gladiator power.
I'm one of your supposed scumreads, correct? Yet you don't reference any scum-motivation that could have lead to that post. No "HE ONLY WANTS YOU TO DO THAT TO SECURE A MISLYNCH". Nothing.
No.
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In post 2532, Aronis wrote:Leaning scum with notscience, but that's pretty normal. It'll be interesring to see Mala use her power. Ghato is leaning town, IMO, but that certainly isn't set in stone. Lean town with Bazinga? I'll try to figure more out tomorrow.
In post 2525, Aronis wrote:give some goddamn evidence for a change.
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For fucks sake
She holds her power because you all give her shit about and now you're all giving her even more shit about it
I've explained my townreads and PoE
Yet here comes Aronis with the most fucked up readslist in the game and none of you bat an eye
He conveniently left off the two people who have been rallying for his lynch, while acknowledging the upcoming deadline without either A) Pushing his vanity wagon or b) trying to consolidate votes.
^That is what scum does
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I was trying to draw the nightkill ftr
She holds her power because you all give her shit about and now you're all giving her even more shit about it
I've explained my townreads and PoE
Yet here comes Aronis with the most fucked up readslist in the game and none of you bat an eye
He conveniently left off the two people who have been rallying for his lynch, while acknowledging the upcoming deadline without either A) Pushing his vanity wagon or b) trying to consolidate votes.
^That is what scum does
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I was trying to draw the nightkill ftr
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Except I've PoE'd the list down alreadyIn post 2577, Aronis wrote:I edited my reads list, FYI. and why are you just tunneling this slot? I'd assume, that their is at least one other scum, so why not at least try to find them?
Nice try
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