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It's not nothing when you were only AFK for ~12 hours and the vast majority of that time was in the middle of the night and you're hungover with a headache that could split the skies.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:So uh I skimmed it all like super fast and zzzzzzz
Also I thought this was Top Gun Mafia when I signed up GODDAMMIT MONGOOOOOOOOOSE
Also I'm gonna do this
VOTE: Anatole
You better check yourself before you Reck yourself.
Just for that:
unvote, vote: mykonian
PEDIT GODDAMMIT MATTP YOU BEAT ME TO MY BIG SHOCKING SWERVE VOTE F U BRO
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I don't really see the "helpless and confused" play from myko, here... specific posts?
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So you checked my online status before voting me to make sure I'd be around to respond to it?
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Wait. What are you talking about, myko? Were you responding to me talking about SSK? If so, why are you asking for TSO votes?
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Why tomorrow? Why not today?
Finishing up things on my desk. I may get it done tonight but I'm never sure how my night is going to go.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I was shocked by myko's case because there was actual thought and reasoning which is a huge departure.
I didn't say I agreed with it.
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↑ MattP wrote:How could you have confused me with TSO and have had it be "meta related". You had the same meta reason make me be scum as TSO?
Feels like you just randomly stated mykos case on me was good to seem like you had an opinion and then when we realized myko had made a case onTSOyour bullshit got caught because you had nothing legitimate to have a scumread about
Because I just typed the wrong name and got confused. I literally read the case and then immediately scrolled down and posted a quick reply, I don't know how I forgot who I was talking about in that amount of time. But I really
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This is really fucking icky.
Where's the scum motivation in what I'm doing?
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Fencesitting about a case that never existed is scummy. Refusing to give "meta" analysis to defend a supposed goof is also scummy.
What case was I fencesitting that never existed? The MattP thing? How is it fencesitty to say, "I like myko's contributions but I don't arrive at the same conclusion as him"? Or must we always agree 100% with people we find to be producing town content?
And, in what way does my revealing my meta stuff on TSO defend my mistake? My read on TSO and reasons for it are pretty irrelevant to my mistake, why are you conflating the two?
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Scum motivation - looking busy, opening mislynch options, buddying players.
"looking busy"- by posting? What the fuck
"opening mislynch options"- uh, on who? You mean when I called MattP town or when I called myko town?
"buddying players"- who was I buddying, Matt or Myko?
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:TSO meta shit
validity to your excuse
please explain how you got from a to b here
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Because myko mentioned Matt in his case on TSO and for some reason Matt's name was on my mind when I was writing up my response.
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Did I say I had a meta tell? No.
Did I say I'm sure it works? No.
Did I say I can catch you 100% with this? No.
I said I had something meta related that I wanted to test/see in action.
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I voted him and didn't mention flailing, so did MattP
So your decision to hand-wave the wagon away by misconstruing Espresso's reasons as the entire wagon's reasons is really bad
I mentioned it because I saw esp said it as a scum tell.
Why are you voting Anatole?
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Ugh vezok is town. Okay.
Please show meta why this is town vezo.
When you've played enough games with vezok, you can just get a feeling from the way he formats a post. It's weird. I can't think of any specific meta, it's more of a gut/unspoken meta tell.
Talking to vezok is like learning to speak another language.
Also, I kinda agree with his reads list and I don't think it was the easy way out like you do... both myself & myko have had suspicion thrown our way during the day, yet he reads us as town... you and Espresso are pretty ballsy scum reads... it just seems genuine, not sheepy.
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Hmm. farside's reaction here is weird.
> vezok calls her scum
> I say vezok's reads seem genuine/not faked
> farside votes me
This seems like she's preempting a wagon on her by trying to paint me as scummy for something that isn't actually scummy.
My questioning of vezok on Csareo leads to me agreeing with the posts pointed out... farside says that it's fake, because:
"If it was that good reck would have sheeped pages ago"
Okay... so then there's a couple options here:
1) I, as scum, read Anatole's case and didn't agree with it
2) I, as either alignment, skimmed/didn't read Anatole's case and then agreed with vezok when I actually saw the posts in question.
One of them makes literally no sense and has no scum motivation behind it, the other is null. farside's vote here is very weak.
> vezok calls her scum
> I say vezok's reads seem genuine/not faked
> farside votes me
This seems like she's preempting a wagon on her by trying to paint me as scummy for something that isn't actually scummy.
My questioning of vezok on Csareo leads to me agreeing with the posts pointed out... farside says that it's fake, because:
"If it was that good reck would have sheeped pages ago"
Okay... so then there's a couple options here:
1) I, as scum, read Anatole's case and didn't agree with it
strategically
(why?) but then strategically
agreed with vezok's case when he already had a town read on me (why?)2) I, as either alignment, skimmed/didn't read Anatole's case and then agreed with vezok when I actually saw the posts in question.
One of them makes literally no sense and has no scum motivation behind it, the other is null. farside's vote here is very weak.
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↑ farside22 wrote:To continue the fakeness of reck.
You have the good case on Matt, and it was tso case.
Fun fact myko I believe mentioned Matt once with the rest tso.
So fake read.
To his vote on Anatole.
The only pushing of the wagon when I posted was between ESP and Anatole so his comment to me about handing waving a case that is being primary pushed is by esp. Not him or Matt.
1) Yes, I misread, I explained how I misread and how it happened, literally nobody else thinks this is some kind of slip except you.
2) myko mentioned Matt once in a post that was mostly quotes and a couple sentences from myko himself. You're acting like I latched onto Matt's name in a massive wall post.
3) I'm struggling to see how mistyping the name I meant to say means a 'fake read'. I've pointed this out a dozen times and nobody has had an answer.
4) I literally cannot understand what the fuck you're trying to say in this last sentence. I've reread it five times.
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I have no idea what you're doing here. What is shit, who committed the crime, what's a terrible way to go on csareo, are you saying you agree with the posts, and who is being stupid and how are they not using logic?
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Myko
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I don't even understand what farside is saying.
I asked you why Anatole was scum and your response was reasons.
You asking anyone to give reasons needs to look on the mirror.
Now my question to the meta readers is where is the jerk in this game and show example of a nice and kiss assing fucking fake readin reck.
LOL OH WHERE'S THE DICK IN THE ONE GAME YOU COULD FIND OUT OF THE FIVE I'VE PLAYED AS TOWN THIS YEAR?
GEE I DUNNO LEMME FIND IT IN THE
OTHER FOUR FUCKING TOWN GAMES I'VE PLAYED
You found ONE GAME where I was more civil than usual, congratulations! Allow me to provide the links to the OTHER four town games I've played this year and provide quotes!
Destiny Mafia II:
Spoiler:
MS Fantasy Camp 2
Spoiler:
The Reckoning III
Spoiler:
Mean Girls Mafia
Spoiler:
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VOTE: farside22
Preemptive, reactionary vote on me after agreeing with vezok
Tries to push vezok as scum because he's "pushing a newbie" as if that's fucking relevant
Uses cherry picked meta (literally 20% of my games this year, probably a smaller percentage if you go back 2-3 years) to say that my behavior this game is scum and out of line with my "town meta" because I WASN'T A JERK IN ONE GAME
It just reeks
Preemptive, reactionary vote on me after agreeing with vezok
Tries to push vezok as scum because he's "pushing a newbie" as if that's fucking relevant
Uses cherry picked meta (literally 20% of my games this year, probably a smaller percentage if you go back 2-3 years) to say that my behavior this game is scum and out of line with my "town meta" because I WASN'T A JERK IN ONE GAME
It just reeks
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farside isn't even addressing her posts towards me. She's not remotely interested in having a conversation about it, she's latched on to one minor thing that doesn't actually hold up and is trying to shout it from the rooftops at the rest of the game just to try and push a lynch on me.
Posts like the above
do not come from a townie trying to figure out the game
, they come from scum pushing a one dimensional case so they can tunnel and force a mislynch
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She also quoted my posts out of order to make them look worse.
465: I think flubber is scummy. myko made a solid case on TSO. I had TSO on my list for meta reasons I didn't want to share yet and wanted to wait it out to see if more meta stuff came to light.
493: I explain that I liked myko's case because it felt like genuine effort, but I didn't have Matt as a scum read and didn't want to lynch Matt. (I was misreading the case as myko attacking Matt, not TSO).
498: I reiterate, again, that I liked myko's case, but incorrectly remembering it was MattP on the line, I did not want to lynch MattP.
She's trying to make it look like I didn't want to lynch TSO all along. That's not true. I already had meta reasons for keeping an eye on TSO. When responding to myko's case after the fact, and thinking it was Matt on the line, I did not want to lynch Matt. She's just plugging in one name for the other and pretending like it doesn't change anything contextually, but it does.
Her whole push on me has a) not addressed me directly but instead is addressing other people regarding me, and b) been intellectually dishonest as it presents things out of order or out of context to paint it as worse than it is.
465: I think flubber is scummy. myko made a solid case on TSO. I had TSO on my list for meta reasons I didn't want to share yet and wanted to wait it out to see if more meta stuff came to light.
493: I explain that I liked myko's case because it felt like genuine effort, but I didn't have Matt as a scum read and didn't want to lynch Matt. (I was misreading the case as myko attacking Matt, not TSO).
498: I reiterate, again, that I liked myko's case, but incorrectly remembering it was MattP on the line, I did not want to lynch MattP.
She's trying to make it look like I didn't want to lynch TSO all along. That's not true. I already had meta reasons for keeping an eye on TSO. When responding to myko's case after the fact, and thinking it was Matt on the line, I did not want to lynch Matt. She's just plugging in one name for the other and pretending like it doesn't change anything contextually, but it does.
Her whole push on me has a) not addressed me directly but instead is addressing other people regarding me, and b) been intellectually dishonest as it presents things out of order or out of context to paint it as worse than it is.
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Ugh seriously. Fine.
Pre-446: Start to notice meta things about TSO that have me curious/suspicious.
446: Read myko's case. Think he's town for the genuine effort. Mistakenly remember it as being on Matt and don't want to lynch Matt.
456: I expand, still mistakenly thinking it was on Matt (this is while at work, 40 minutes later, so memory is worse) and explain that I liked that myko seemed to be putting in genuine thought and reasoning, but I didn't agree with it (Because I didn't want to lynch Matt, I had a town read on Matt, so I liked myko's effort but read Matt as town.)
462: I go back and reread the case now and realize it was on TSO and not Matt. Everything makes sense now.
465: I reveal that I had a meta-dependent thing on TSO from earlier but I didn't want to reveal it because it would kind of ruin the experiment.
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I usually play while at work. Phonecalls, e-mails, people walking in my office, etc often interrupt my flow of thought. I remembered liking his content. The name associated with that case in my head was "Matt", so when I typed it up and wanted to respond to the
content
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It's clearly hyperbole, not a misrep, can we move on now
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holy shit you're one of the thickest people I've ever seen. what the fuck. do you just not know how to write OR read english?
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Oh, just now? Not for the past five pages where you've been talking about me to everyone else like I'm not in the game?
I'm not moving it. I'm not moving it at all. farside backed into a corner, lost the argument, realized she had no moves, and is now trying to jump on a townie at deadline. NO FUCKING THANK YOU.
I'm not moving it. I'm not moving it at all. farside backed into a corner, lost the argument, realized she had no moves, and is now trying to jump on a townie at deadline. NO FUCKING THANK YOU.
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NONE OF THIS IS ACTUALLY RELEVANT OR RESPONSIVE IN
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TLDR
- farside talks at other people about me and just keeps repeating "he faked his reads" because she hasn't read the five million posts I've made explaining it to her
- I point out that farside is talking around me and not actually interested in earnest scumhunting and then once backed into a corner and realizing nobody is biting on her tunnelvision she "compromises" onto vezok (another shitty, easy to push lynch)
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:So what happened with your secret TSO tell reck? Didn't pan out?
Eh, yeah, it was kind of a dud. I don't particularly want to lynch him, I guess. He's not giving off oozingly awesome town vibes though.
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Can we please continue lynching farside?
Also,
Also,
@MOD: You can plug in time zone changes to your countdown tags like so:
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So, for example, plugging in -5.00 in the UTC spot would make the counter work with EST timezone. I don't know which time zone you're in but maybe this helps.
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I want Csareo dead but I want farside dead
Look at yesterday. Look at how she had to find a way to back up off of the mislynch on me and justify jumping on TSO
Farside is scum, TSO is town, actually. No way does scum hop off of one mislynch onto a scumbuddy's wagon at deadline.
so much more
.Look at yesterday. Look at how she had to find a way to back up off of the mislynch on me and justify jumping on TSO
at fucking deadline
.Farside is scum, TSO is town, actually. No way does scum hop off of one mislynch onto a scumbuddy's wagon at deadline.
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↑ farside22 wrote:Staying at a vote near deadline helps how?
Your point is stay on a player that won't be lynched at deadline and vote for one of the 2 wagons you lean scum on his scummy. No seriously that is your point.
How dare farside vote another scum read but ignore the fact reck does it.
That is how dumb your point is.
Uh, what?
You didn't jump on a deadline lynch. You jumped onto a NON-WAGON that wasn't going to happen at deadline. That's what makes it ridiculous.
"I've been tunneling on Reck like an idiot all day, but now that it's near deadline, I'm going to have a MOMENT OF CLARITY! ...and vote someone who is nowhere close to being lynched."
That is how dumb your play is.
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When I mod, I resolve in the order of the NAR.
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Full confession, I didn't know I was hammering. But, I actually thought vezok's posts linked vezok->SSK, not the other way around, which is why I wanted him dead first. I probably wouldn't have hammered if I had known it was, in fact, a hammer.
*shrug*
I think I know why there was no kill but I'll keep a lid on that for now.
*shrug*
I think I know why there was no kill but I'll keep a lid on that for now.
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Yeah, like I said, I didn't realize it was a hammer. We have very,
I just got deflated yesterday. I don't know how long I can repeat myself that farside is scum and have people ignore me before I give up. End of day yesterday, I got tired of hounding everyone and the post in question Matt addressed by vezok re: SSK looked enough like a link for me to vote there. I don't know that I would've changed my mind knowing it was a hammer, but I certainly wouldn't have done it that soon, because we were in the middle of good discussion.
I'm not sure where this scumread from Anatole is coming from since he
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I'm not sure where this scumread from Anatole is coming from since he
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Do you not realize that bussing is a thing? Having a scumread on someone who is on another scumread's wagon doesn't suddenly make it impossible for both to be scum.
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Guess I've skipped a lot of your posts. And those posts are generally light suspicion of me, with ONE vote on me early game. Coming in D3 and going "Oh, Reck or TSO" seems like a big leap from "some things Reck is doing are suspicious but not enough to vote him".
P.EDIT: It makes the game harder to read and creates long noise posts that demotivate town, and what you quoted isn't exactly important to read/be quoted to anyone else. You could've linked to the posts or just quoted one or something. It's not only obnoxious as hell, but it makes people want to skim/not read your posts (as I have done a lot this game, as stated above).
P.EDIT: It makes the game harder to read and creates long noise posts that demotivate town, and what you quoted isn't exactly important to read/be quoted to anyone else. You could've linked to the posts or just quoted one or something. It's not only obnoxious as hell, but it makes people want to skim/not read your posts (as I have done a lot this game, as stated above).
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:You're right, creating what you see as a slight inconvenience is more anti-town than deliberately ignoring the content of posts.
I never said one was more anti-town than the other. Another strawman/misrep/spiral.
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Why do you think TSO is faking? What does he have to gain at this point by faking as scum in an attempt to get SSK lynched, who's either his buddy or a guaranteed mislynch?
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:
15 players - if there are 4 scum we're fucked so I'm being optimistic I guess. 2 would be underpowered unless there's an SK which is not consistent with the night actions.
UNVOTE: SSK
If it's as obvious as you are acting, Reck, what would he lose from a claim?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:It'spretty fucking obviouswhat he's claiming based on his belief of Matt's claim, the lack of a kill, and his insistence on voting SSK.
What does the lack of a kill have anything to do with his claim or matt's tracker claim?
Reck?
I'm pretty sure you should think about the following:
1) He targeted SSK (heavily implied).
2) He believes Matt's claim. That means Matt tracking SSK to nowhere matches with TSO's night action.
3) There was no kill. This is also relevant because
SSK went nowhere
.Piece it together, I'm not doing the work for you.
Although, at this point, I think scum probably HAVE figured it out, they're just playing dumb.
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There is SOME validity in the notion that you should claim because scum have probably already worked it out anyway (it's not like you're being subtle). I'll leave that choice up to you, but it may help us parse things easier if you claim now. There's the chance scum kill Matt and not you tonight.green shirt thursdays
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:TSO can not have a bigger target on him than he does now. He is by FAR the most powerful claimed role and will be killed for that reason if he is telling the truth
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:@TSO: There is SOME validity in the notion that you should claim because scum have probably already worked it out anyway (it's not like you're being subtle). I'll leave that choice up to you, but it may help us parse things easier if you claim now. There's the chance scum kill Matt and not you tonight.
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I am not deliberately being obtuse or lying when I say I really don't get the claim. I don't care for now. I want to wait until SSK shows up before I vote anybody and I think everyone should do the same.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I'm pretty sure you should think about the following:
1) He targeted SSK (heavily implied).
2) He believes Matt's claim. That means Matt tracking SSK to nowhere matches with TSO's night action.
3) There was no kill. This is also relevant because SSK went nowhere.
GEEEEE UH WHAT COULD TARGET SSK, STOP A KILL, AND ALSO WORK WITH MATT TRACKING SSK GOING NOWHERE
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↑ Csareo wrote:A roleblocker wouldn't confscum.
If he is a roleblocker, that's a mafia role.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roleblocker
Are you stupid? Are you actually saying THAT'S A MAFIA ROLE as if RBs can't be town? or what? I'm very curious at this point.
THERE WAS NO KILL.
EITHER TSO STOPPED THE KILL BY BLOCKING SSK (because who the fuck would shoot him? so it's not a protection)
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MAFIA NO KILLED AND TSO/MATT ARE PLAYING OUT SOME ELABORATE GAMBIT BY SACRIFICING SSK
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ MattP wrote:Why can't he be EITHER a JK or a RBer? Why does he need to specifically claim which one?↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Are you jailkeeper TSO?
Because only one makes sense.
How does only one make sense? How? Either one can fucking block
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↑ Csareo wrote:First off, there is no reason to believe the three people "screaming" at me are correct, or telling the truth.
I'm willing to believe for now you're a jailkeeper (although it's far from confirmed). How is mafiassk confirmed through a jailkeep.
It seems like that could be the reason, but so do a million other things.
THERE WAS NO KILL.
TSO BLOCKED SSK.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I have a paranoia that there's one small situation in which TSO could be scum but it's a stretch so we'll just wait to see the NKs.
So about this... TSO could have seen the kill got stopped and figured out what happened and fakeclaimed RB onto his own scumbuddy? That was my paranoia but I thought about it overnight and it doesn't seem that likely.
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I didn't "call you out", what the fuck are you talking about? I asked you about SSK's meta and if you knew how to read the difference between his town lurking and scum lurking because
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:a day that could determine whether we lose or win this game
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Csareo's immediate reaction is to try and lump people into pairings and exclude himself from the myko/Anatole, blaming the pair for jerking him around. He pairs me/TSO for no apparently reason, too.
His reasoning doesn't make sense. His pairings don't make sense. His arbitrary method of dividing people into groups doesn't make sense. And after how hard he pushed yesterday, I don't want him to live.
Anatole at least was just dumb or missing the point. Csareo kept blindly shoving against the grain to protect his buddy. If SSK is going down, you might as well get
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↑ Flubbernugget wrote:I don't like Reck's hammer on Vezo
It was an accident. As I said (and the mod apologized PUBLICLY for this), the infrequent vote counts made it hard to see that he was at L-1.
#1- I had a townread on vezok until I read Matt's case on him for the SSK interactions and his reads list was really fucking scummy
#2- Vezok NEVER fucking said he would vote for me, in fact the one thing he kept saying with his dying breaths was NOT TO LYNCH ME.
I really still dislike farside, who is stretching the truth and talking in circles about me. A farside/Csareo team wouldn't surprise me at all.
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↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Currently on page 57. Officially conf. biasing/tunneling Reck scum.
Then you're an idiot because I've been pretty goddamn town all game.
Where the fuck are my voices of reason to listen to me?
Actually... THEY'RE ALL DEAD.
THE DEAD TOWNIES are the ones who were townreading me and, conveniently, the LIVING PLAYERS are the ones who were scumreading me. HMMMMMMMMMMM! GEE I WONDER WHAT'S GOIN' ON HERE?!
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This is so easy.
Anatole is town. This is obvious because of the way he reacted to the TSO/Matt claim clusterfuck yesterday.
WHICH MEANS, currently, there is a wagon on town, comprised of three players. One of those three players is currently getting wagoned by the people that drove the lynch on SSK yesterday. Another player on that wagon is someone I've been screaming at for being scum the entire game and she is simultaneously wagoning Anatole while talking past everyone else to try to test the waters on a wagon on me. ANYTHING to stop her buddy Csareo from getting lynched.
Anatole is town. This is obvious because of the way he reacted to the TSO/Matt claim clusterfuck yesterday.
WHICH MEANS, currently, there is a wagon on town, comprised of three players. One of those three players is currently getting wagoned by the people that drove the lynch on SSK yesterday. Another player on that wagon is someone I've been screaming at for being scum the entire game and she is simultaneously wagoning Anatole while talking past everyone else to try to test the waters on a wagon on me. ANYTHING to stop her buddy Csareo from getting lynched.
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I didn't state I would rather vote SSK over vezok, though, not in the same context.
EARLIER, when Matt was just throwing out a blanket reads list (not connecting the reads), I said I'd rather lynch SSK first out of myko/SSK/vezok.
LATER, when I read Matt pointed out the specific link from vezok->SSK, I changed my mind. I actually probably wouldn't have lynched SSK yesterday without the claims, because I saw SSK's scumminess as a direct correlation to vezok's scumminess.
EARLIER, when Matt was just throwing out a blanket reads list (not connecting the reads), I said I'd rather lynch SSK first out of myko/SSK/vezok.
LATER, when I read Matt pointed out the specific link from vezok->SSK, I changed my mind. I actually probably wouldn't have lynched SSK yesterday without the claims, because I saw SSK's scumminess as a direct correlation to vezok's scumminess.
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farside. Are you just not reading my posts?
I said that the link I saw was that
I just gave my thoughts on Anatole. 8 posts ago.
I said that the link I saw was that
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vezok was scum, then
SSK was scum, too. I literally just said "I wasn't going to vote SSK until the claims happened", so I don't know why you're pointing it out again.I just gave my thoughts on Anatole. 8 posts ago.
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↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Okay I agree with Farside's case on Reck but still don't get her case on AK.
What case? What about it, specifically, makes sense to you?
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I never defended SSK, actually.
Using incorrect buzzwords to describe my posts really just makes you look disingenuous. It wasn't "fluff", it was actual, legitimate questioning.
I'm really trying to understand this line: "if actual meta involved reason why did he not show him as scum" but I can't. Can you please slow down and try to explain this in a coherent manner? Because AFAIK, I never claimed I had scum meta on SSK, which is what this sounds like.
I've already clarified my desire to vote vezok over SSK here:
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I didn't state I would rather vote SSK over vezok, though, not in the same context.
EARLIER, when Matt was just throwing out a blanket reads list (not connecting the reads), I said I'd rather lynch SSK first out of myko/SSK/vezok.
LATER, when I read Matt pointed out the specific link from vezok->SSK, I changed my mind. I actually probably wouldn't have lynched SSK yesterday without the claims, because I saw SSK's scumminess as a direct correlation to vezok's scumminess.
So you're still holding to the same case while ignoring responses I've made.
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I didn't follow him onto you, nor did I make a judgment call one way or the other. Given our history, I find it quite odd that you haven't been at my throat this game, since that's pretty much what I expect from you.
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Why is defensiveness a scumtell instead of a towntell?
Does it matter that my meta as either alignment is to be overly defensive?
My main push on farside came from posts 637 all the way through post 714, where I do a poor job of summarizing everything and you should probably just read the whole sequence for context. Furthermore, she keeps talking PAST me and isn't addressing me because she's uninterested in having a conversation about me, she just wants to push me as a mislynch. She hasn't done much to change my read on her but I'm not getting any traction on her.
Does it matter that my meta as either alignment is to be overly defensive?
My main push on farside came from posts 637 all the way through post 714, where I do a poor job of summarizing everything and you should probably just read the whole sequence for context. Furthermore, she keeps talking PAST me and isn't addressing me because she's uninterested in having a conversation about me, she just wants to push me as a mislynch. She hasn't done much to change my read on her but I'm not getting any traction on her.
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:So you no longer think I'm scum?
Not sold your town, but your counter argument was valid in my view.
The few things still bug me is the vote on vezo and it seems you don't interact with Ana, but that one day and then it's like you two avoid each other.....almost.
"not sold" that I'm town but giving my counter argument validity doesn't seem to line up with "scum reading like crazy"
can we not fucking lynch her
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This is pretty slimy. Considering who else has died, I can't help but feel I've been groomed to be the LYLO mislynch for awhile, because getting me lynched before LYLO would be too risky.
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I don't think I've been disengaged from the game, though... like, I'm in several games right now, so I might've dipped off in activity for a moment here or there, but I feel like I've been pretty engaged throughout.
Also I seriously don't remember scumreading you, hold on.
P.EDIT: What does your farside comment mean, contextually? Like can you just plug in the names and say what you mean because suddenly I feel as though I've been brainwiped and I don't recognize anything about this game.
Also I seriously don't remember scumreading you, hold on.
P.EDIT: What does your farside comment mean, contextually? Like can you just plug in the names and say what you mean because suddenly I feel as though I've been brainwiped and I don't recognize anything about this game.
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