Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over
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Holy shit, where to start. 7 pages already?
There appears to be a circle of "mattp, anatole, and farside" who are just grasing for straws for some kind of scum tell.
Mattp definitely set off alarms with his voting. I mean, seriously?
Anatole appears to be joking more than he is scum hunting.
I think farside seems townish.
Flubber is an idiot. Trust me, I've reviewed his games. His meta will constantly insult people and buddy with everyone who he's not insulting.
Mykrno your read is null ATM.
Reckoner you are null ATM.
Everyone else is null.
There appears to be a circle of "mattp, anatole, and farside" who are just grasing for straws for some kind of scum tell.
Mattp definitely set off alarms with his voting. I mean, seriously?
Anatole appears to be joking more than he is scum hunting.
I think farside seems townish.
Flubber is an idiot. Trust me, I've reviewed his games. His meta will constantly insult people and buddy with everyone who he's not insulting.
Mykrno your read is null ATM.
Reckoner you are null ATM.
Everyone else is null.
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Csareo wrote:Look up guys
There is a dumbass in our midst, and he's here to troll
I would not mind policy lynching this asshole. He'll say stupid shit that will get him scum read and we'll spend 5 pages arguing about whether that is just his meta.
I can confirm that flubber's meta is to act like a douchebag.
VOTE: carstereo
It is page 8. We aren't in RVS anymore.
Where's your vote justification?
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*Can't talk about current games*
Without going into details, I was separated from my HP laptop for 5 days.
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I read all of expresso's games. I think he is in a solid town meta.
Besides that, I am town reading farside.
Anatole fits my old town meta to the number, and his plays seem to be an eager scum hunter making a few seemingly slips.
Reckoner, I'm not sure, but he is spending to much time defending himself. Haven't seen anyone defend him, so that is a good sign.
Besides that, I am town reading farside.
Anatole fits my old town meta to the number, and his plays seem to be an eager scum hunter making a few seemingly slips.
Reckoner, I'm not sure, but he is spending to much time defending himself. Haven't seen anyone defend him, so that is a good sign.
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↑ MafiaSSK wrote:↑ Csareo wrote:I read all of expresso's games. I think he is in a solid town meta.
Besides that, I am town reading farside.
Anatole fits my old town meta to the number, and his plays seem to be an eager scum hunter making a few seemingly slips.
Reckoner, I'm not sure, but he is spending to much time defending himself. Haven't seen anyone defend him, so that is a good sign.
How is Anatole being an eager scum hunter town?
He seems to be genuinely scum hunting. Time will tell if he is good at it or not, but his post count rings town.
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I don't know if Csareo's vote on me is any more scummy than Espresso's bullshit "reaction test" into "I think you may be a power role..", "HAHA I WAS WRONG YOU ARE TOTALLY SCUM LOOK AT YOU FLAIL!" after I make one comment about his case being dumb, into completely avoiding my asking him for reads which he said he would post "tomorrow" two days ago.
And reck, your voting with espresso is even dumber than the dumb vote from farside you're referring to. Like, his case is that I have been trying to push every little thing I could, but I didn't even vote him after his horrendous series of "please play the game for me" posts. So how does that even follow?
I have a vote on you?
UNVOTE: anatole
Can someone help me out here? I'm weary of letting scum tells slide do to meta reads.
Where should you draw the line?
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ vezokpiraka wrote:I've read everything.
Scum reads: espresso, carstereo and farside
Town reads: reck, mikonyan
The rest are different shades of null.
I'llvote carstereo
Thank you for confirming my scum read.
A newb. You vote the newb.
Prey tell mr. I do nothing but sometimes I do why the person your voting reads scummy.
In his defense, this is his meta.
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I think I said this earlier, but I was gone for 5 days do to light brain damage
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↑ vezokpiraka wrote:Hello. I'm reading the thread. It will take me a while.
Also, sorry reck. I didn't check the playerlist.
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:I've read everything.
Scum reads: espresso, carstereo and farside
Town reads: reck, mikonyan
The rest are different shades of null.
I'llvote carstereo
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:vezok can you expand on your carstereo thoughts?
Yes I can, but it's only phone posting so it might takr a while.
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I think the list is weird because, as has been mentioned, Reck isn't playing like town Reck.
I've seen things I expect frpm towm reck ergo I read him as town.
I don't even understand how you can say this isn't town reck. How many games did you play with him?
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:vote farside
Take a chill pill. Don't get stressed.
Also talking about fake. That farside rage was incredibly fake.
Should we lynch "reckoner" or "Vez" first?
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↑ vezokpiraka wrote:I've read everything.
Scum reads: espresso, carstereo and farside
Town reads: reck, mikonyan
The rest are different shades of null.
I'llvote carstereo
Please give justifications for this.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Ugh vezok is town. Okay.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Ugh vezok is town. Okay.
Please show meta why this is town vezo.
When you've played enough games with vezok, you can just get a feeling from the way he formats a post. It's weird. I can't think of any specific meta, it's more of a gut/unspoken meta tell.
Talking to vezok is like learning to speak another language.
Also, I kinda agree with his reads list and I don't think it was the easy way out like you do... both myself & myko have had suspicion thrown our way during the day, yet he reads us as town... you and Espresso are pretty ballsy scum reads... it just seems genuine, not sheepy.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Also Anatole pointed out ONE out of the FOUR posts that vezok quoted, so I'm not sure what you mean by he pointed out most of those posts.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Hmm. farside's reaction here is weird.
> vezok calls her scum
> I say vezok's reads seem genuine/not faked
> farside votes me
This seems like she's preempting a wagon on her by trying to paint me as scummy for something that isn't actually scummy.
My questioning of vezok on Csareo leads to me agreeing with the posts pointed out... farside says that it's fake, because:
"If it was that good reck would have sheeped pages ago"
Okay... so then there's a couple options here:
1) I, as scum, read Anatole's case and didn't agree with itstrategically(why?) but thenstrategicallyagreed with vezok's case when he already had a town read on me (why?)
2) I, as either alignment, skimmed/didn't read Anatole's case and then agreed with vezok when I actually saw the posts in question.
One of them makes literally no sense and has no scum motivation behind it, the other is null. farside's vote here is very weak.
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My scum reads are
- vez
- reckoner
- MattP (null lean)
Mostly for buddying and suspicious behavior from reckoner.
We have a cold case of "defending over hunting".
Another tip off was your read list and vote switching, which made me think for awhile.
Expresso and anatole seemed like easy policy lynch targets, so it looked like you're sheeping.
Reckoner also seemed to back your reads, which was slightly suspicious.
Can you give justifications for your reads now, since I just did upon your request.
Let's not forget, I never voted you....
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Mostly for buddying and suspicious behavior from reckoner.
We have a cold case of "defending over hunting".
Another tip off was your read list and vote switching, which made me think for awhile.
Expresso and anatole seemed like easy policy lynch targets, so it looked like you're sheeping.
Reckoner also seemed to back your reads, which was slightly suspicious.
Can you give justifications for your reads now, since I just did upon your request.
Let's not forget, I never voted you....
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:weren't we going to kill ^ at some point
I wasn't aware of any danger on my mafiascum life
There was a weak wagon, with weak reasoning, but that's about it.
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And the two blocs form. I am confident in my vezok lynch, but am being open minded here. I see these opposing fronts coming into action, and I really want to break one of them apart.
One of these blocs has several scum reads, so can we start there??
One of these blocs has several scum reads, so can we start there??
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You are not attacking farside, because she has earned legitimacy for herself. If you are hostile to her, it will backfire (assuring you're scum)
I am looked at as a noob player. A scum player see's that, and will continue to make baseless, and over exaggerated insults to destroy any credibility that noob player has.
Smart townies would see that.
I am looked at as a noob player. A scum player see's that, and will continue to make baseless, and over exaggerated insults to destroy any credibility that noob player has.
Smart townies would see that.
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Another straw man. I scum read you. That does not mean any of you are scum.
Please read before you start spewing this garbage at me.
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↑ MattP wrote:↑ Csareo wrote:You are not attacking farside, because she has earned legitimacy for herself. If you are hostile to her, it will backfire (assuring you're scum)
I am looked at as a noob player. A scum player see's that, and will continue to make baseless, and over exaggerated insults to destroy any credibility that noob player has.
Smart townies would see that.
Funny, because Vezok and Reck are attacking farside and the only people it's "backfired" with are you and farside. So that's not true.
You are looked at as a noob player because of your actions. Ego buffering etc etc
How did it backfire?
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I can't connect the interaction I just saw.
The reaction from Mattp to that post was simply to over exaggerated and crazy to be true.
Even if it was a stupid post, which it was not, the fact that mattp staged an acted and fake performance of being a "rabid jackass" was neither amusing or town.
The reaction from Mattp to that post was simply to over exaggerated and crazy to be true.
Even if it was a stupid post, which it was not, the fact that mattp staged an acted and fake performance of being a "rabid jackass" was neither amusing or town.
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Yeah, I'm not continuing this conversation.
I want one question answered though.
I want one question answered though.
↑ Csareo wrote:↑ MattP wrote:↑ Csareo wrote:You are not attacking farside, because she has earned legitimacy for herself. If you are hostile to her, it will backfire (assuring you're scum)
I am looked at as a noob player. A scum player see's that, and will continue to make baseless, and over exaggerated insults to destroy any credibility that noob player has.
Smart townies would see that.
Funny, because Vezok and Reck are attacking farside and the only people it's "backfired" with are you and farside. So that's not true.
You are looked at as a noob player because of your actions. Ego buffering etc etc
How did it backfire?
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:
Are you saying when you scumread peopleyou're not calling them scum!?
I can't do it guys. I'm out. Godspeed.
A scum read implies that the person looks scum at the moment.
If all scum reads were correct, then that would be a phenomenon.
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↑ MattP wrote:I was being sarcastic. I just explained that. That is why it was in "quotes"
I said "I am not attacking farside even though she is antagonizing me because I respect her approach to the game"
You said "You are not attacking farside, because she has earned legitimacy for herself. If you are hostile to her, it will backfire (assuring you're scum)"
I effectively then said "That's not true, people (aka Reck and Vezok) HAVE antagonized farside and it hasn't backfired"
Okay, sorry.
Now............... back to the game please.
Nothing good came out of that conversation to begin with.
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Active scum vs inactive town.
Seriously, this is just annoying, and not even fun.
The players who most need to be online and posting, do nothing.
Honestly, the vez lynch seems so braindead obvious, yet there isd a complete ignorance to everything he has done.
Just going to say, there's a reason for that.
Seriously, this is just annoying, and not even fun.
The players who most need to be online and posting, do nothing.
Honestly, the vez lynch seems so braindead obvious, yet there isd a complete ignorance to everything he has done.
Just going to say, there's a reason for that.
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TSO seems town farside, but after seeing his performance in 1601 mini normal, I'm not so sure of his meta.
We can start a pressure wagon later, or see if time has anything to tell, but right now we need to focus on lynching the confirmed scum, vezo
We can start a pressure wagon later, or see if time has anything to tell, but right now we need to focus on lynching the confirmed scum, vezo
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:is anyone who is not voting you scum?
I've been scum reading matt for a long time now. Since mid day one.
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Sorry, I don't have anything meaningful to say today, and have been pretty busy.
Appears to be a steady case on vezok, but opposition coming from the other side.
To be honest, I think the case on me may be scum motivated (weakest one I've ever seen at D2), as a way to protect vezok.
Appears to be a steady case on vezok, but opposition coming from the other side.
To be honest, I think the case on me may be scum motivated (weakest one I've ever seen at D2), as a way to protect vezok.
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Okay, time to destroy the excuse, that is the csareo wagon.
1. I was joking with flubber, we really hate each other
2. Policy lynches ARE scum motivated, most of the time (early game/late game)
3. Is a contradiction literally the only thing you guy's have on me?
1. I was joking with flubber, we really hate each other
2. Policy lynches ARE scum motivated, most of the time (early game/late game)
3. Is a contradiction literally the only thing you guy's have on me?
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I believe my scum record is 3-1, and my town record 2-5, so I kind of agree with TSO.
I play pretty shitty as town, and get way more involved into games where I'm scum.
If I have a low post count, or what i say is
1. Confusing
2. Bad
I'm most likely with the town. I'll let you guy's be the judge, but let's not spend long delaying the vezo wagon.
I play pretty shitty as town, and get way more involved into games where I'm scum.
If I have a low post count, or what i say is
1. Confusing
2. Bad
I'm most likely with the town. I'll let you guy's be the judge, but let's not spend long delaying the vezo wagon.
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I'm not pissed because we aren't lynching vezo. I'm pissed that we aren't lynching vezo do to a small and miniscule case that's on me instead.
It can hardly stand on its own, yet three people are justifying their votes on this BS.
It can hardly stand on its own, yet three people are justifying their votes on this BS.
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TSO, are you seriously jumping off the wagon at this point?
Anyways, I am suspicious of SSK's vote flip to Vezo.
If I was scum, I would see the wagon as opportunistic (assuming vezo is not scum).
Since I AM reading Vezo as scum, I can't reason both ways.
Anyways, I am suspicious of SSK's vote flip to Vezo.
If I was scum, I would see the wagon as opportunistic (assuming vezo is not scum).
Since I AM reading Vezo as scum, I can't reason both ways.
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Actually
UNVOTE: mafiassk
VOTE: TSO
I'm really suspicious of his intentions this game.
He seemed to manafacture an SSK wagon on D2, while also finishing the Vezokrika lynch.
Since Mafiassk joined the vezo wagon early, it isn't likely Mafiassk was bussing (which is confirmed now), meaning that TSO's vote was incompatible with his scum read on Mafiassk.
Something I'm not buying into. I also am suspicious of him constantly calling me town.
I have this gut feeling that if I were scum, I would want to keep the VI around to mislynch later into the game.
UNVOTE: mafiassk
VOTE: TSO
I'm really suspicious of his intentions this game.
He seemed to manafacture an SSK wagon on D2, while also finishing the Vezokrika lynch.
Since Mafiassk joined the vezo wagon early, it isn't likely Mafiassk was bussing (which is confirmed now), meaning that TSO's vote was incompatible with his scum read on Mafiassk.
Something I'm not buying into. I also am suspicious of him constantly calling me town.
I have this gut feeling that if I were scum, I would want to keep the VI around to mislynch later into the game.
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Things seem to fishy for the outcomes to be accidentally consistent.
I don't like lynching based on speculative cases, but everything TSO has done, direct or indirect, I can envision scum doing.
How can you scum read Mafiassk, who joins the Vezo wagon early, while also keeping your vote on Vezo? If I were scum, I would have a safety net for the next phase, where I can push for a bus on Mafiassk.
Everything points towards a manafactured and thought out lynch for D3.
Also, not to make a big deal about this, but opening the game by complaining how bad the previous day went, is a reoccurring scum tell.
I don't like lynching based on speculative cases, but everything TSO has done, direct or indirect, I can envision scum doing.
How can you scum read Mafiassk, who joins the Vezo wagon early, while also keeping your vote on Vezo? If I were scum, I would have a safety net for the next phase, where I can push for a bus on Mafiassk.
Everything points towards a manafactured and thought out lynch for D3.
Also, not to make a big deal about this, but opening the game by complaining how bad the previous day went, is a reoccurring scum tell.
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I don't see how farside is scum.
I think TSO's reactions are fake and acted out, but I sympathize, because I'm raging in another game.
TSO, what was your night action history? What's your PR?
I smell a rat.
I think TSO's reactions are fake and acted out, but I sympathize, because I'm raging in another game.
TSO, what was your night action history? What's your PR?
I smell a rat.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Probably town. Liked his reactions to the end of day y/day with the vezok lynch. Seemed genuinely frustrated.
I thought the opposite, but there's no real way to know if he faked it or not.
I wouldn't consider it as serious evidence he's either allegiance.
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:There's no reason for scum to be desperate enough to fake claim at this point considering how shit we have played, tbh
He didn't claim. That's the thing.
There is nothing legit about the way this went down.
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:There's no reason for scum to be desperate enough to fake claim at this point considering how shit we have played, tbh
This^
I'm looking for a few response before I vote.
You know better than this. Scum fake PR's more than anyone else, and it's to get a basis for lynches.
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I'm pretty sure scum wins if we mislynch.
We kill a townie today, another is NK'd, and a mafia can die tommorow and still win with the final NK.
Dependent on TSO not being a good that is. Even then, scum would only need to finish one more town lynch.
We kill a townie today, another is NK'd, and a mafia can die tommorow and still win with the final NK.
Dependent on TSO not being a good that is. Even then, scum would only need to finish one more town lynch.
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That's dependent on TSO being lynched tommorow, which isn't even for sure. TSO also has a reputation forstarting wagons on scumbuddies and playing out the rest of the game.
He did it in BE's 1601, starting the wagon on his scum buddy.
There are a million possibilities, none of which discredit the evidence we have to believe TSO is lying.
He did it in BE's 1601, starting the wagon on his scum buddy.
There are a million possibilities, none of which discredit the evidence we have to believe TSO is lying.
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I have no idea. Farside's defense is unusual, because it is also very reactionary.
Which is why I doubt it is do to a solid town read on TSO.
I can only justify such reactionary posts, if farside were to have confirmed TSO in the night. Also unlikely.
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Funny thing, scum usually (not always) say they need to ask the mod about their role.
Didn't catch that. If it is a standard investigative role, I highly doubt the mod would need to be questioned.
Given Oman's inactivity........ TSO needs to claim as soon as he comes on.
Didn't catch that. If it is a standard investigative role, I highly doubt the mod would need to be questioned.
Given Oman's inactivity........ TSO needs to claim as soon as he comes on.
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He soft claims investigative power role, but refuses to spill it out.
Bullshit. Why are we wagoning Mafiassk, while ignoring the elephant in the roof.
For hell's sake, mafiassk lurks in everygame he's ever played in. Read his wiki page.
Bullshit. Why are we wagoning Mafiassk, while ignoring the elephant in the roof.
For hell's sake, mafiassk lurks in everygame he's ever played in. Read his wiki page.
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Well, it isn't obvious to me. If it's so obvious, then there is no reason why he shouldn't tell us.
Is he afraid of being CC'd? Reckoner, I would just love to know what you think it is.
Is he afraid of being CC'd? Reckoner, I would just love to know what you think it is.
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And I'm not buying that there is a connection between me and Mafiassk.
Apparently pushing a different wagon makes me his scumbuddy?
Can someone PLEASE explain the logic in that statement.
Apparently pushing a different wagon makes me his scumbuddy?
Can someone PLEASE explain the logic in that statement.
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I was pretty comfortable being in a town bloc with farside and tso yesterday.
Fortunately, mafia has a way of making things *click* later into the game.
There is a lot of blind resistance to a TSO lynch. Reckoner and mattp have jumped in many times, offering no logic but a childish "you're stupid blah blah"
Fortunately, mafia has a way of making things *click* later into the game.
There is a lot of blind resistance to a TSO lynch. Reckoner and mattp have jumped in many times, offering no logic but a childish "you're stupid blah blah"
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Why the hell wont you claim.
You say you have confscum, yet refuse to back up that claim.
If you're town, you'll be NK'd tonight, so there no reason why you shouldn't share now.
If you aren't killed tonight, after CLAIMING a PR, I'll be amazed. Unfortunately that gives you a chance to NK another one of us, doesn't it?
You say you have confscum, yet refuse to back up that claim.
If you're town, you'll be NK'd tonight, so there no reason why you shouldn't share now.
If you aren't killed tonight, after CLAIMING a PR, I'll be amazed. Unfortunately that gives you a chance to NK another one of us, doesn't it?
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He claims a PR when there is a suspected 3 scum alive. It is D3, and his PR gave him a conf read on mafiassk.
If he is town, he WILL die tonight. Why the hell wouldn't he full claim?
I'll tell you why. He's afraid of being CC'd.
If he is town, he WILL die tonight. Why the hell wouldn't he full claim?
I'll tell you why. He's afraid of being CC'd.
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If you're town, and not voting TSO, you're an idiot.
You just are. Never has a more evident scum slip been seen in my two years of playing, and I am hit with a stonewall of ignorance.
You just are. Never has a more evident scum slip been seen in my two years of playing, and I am hit with a stonewall of ignorance.
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↑ farside22 wrote:
I don't think your scum.
I also wonder why SSK doesn't come in and say anything, but then again he's not a prolific poster.
Also with 12 player starting there is typically 3 scum.
I've never seen 4 scum but I've seen 2 in a 12 player game.
If let's say tso is bussing, one scum still down. If SSK is town tso should be lynched. I just don't see the downfall
I don't even think he's bussing. This is what a mafia play would look like.
- Fake claim PR, conf scum read on mafiassk
- maffiassk gets lynched
- NK a town player
- TSO may die tommorow (dependent on whether or not he slimes his way out of it)
- NK townie
- Remaining scum push a mislynch
- Game over, mafia wins.
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And not every scum play is a good one, let's get that straight.
Stop looking at the logic of scum, and focus on the logic of town.
Why the hell would a townie claim a PR, and refuse to elaborate, full knowing that he'll be NK'd when his conf read is lynched?
Stop looking at the logic of scum, and focus on the logic of town.
Why the hell would a townie claim a PR, and refuse to elaborate, full knowing that he'll be NK'd when his conf read is lynched?
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Look, I'm not going to go into detail, but there are other reasons I'm suspicious of TSO's soft claim.
Which is why he really needs to full claim (even without the additional information, the logic is still prevalent)
Which is why he really needs to full claim (even without the additional information, the logic is still prevalent)
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:are you soft claiming to help condemn someone who is soft claiming
The information has nothing to do with my role PM.
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Anatole, it's very very clear what SPECIFIC role TSO is, at least to me. Why does he need to spell it out if there is some apparent grey area and there's no need to have scum be informed
Maybe to have town informed. I'm calling out a mountain of bullshit.
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Let's make something crystal clear. If TSO is town, then he is going to die tonight. He is going, to die tonight.
Just say the fucking power role. I am calling bullshit. So much bullshit.
Just say the fucking power role. I am calling bullshit. So much bullshit.
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↑ MattP wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:if you were an equal threat you would have information worth sharing by day 3
That's entirely unrelated
Supposing MafiaSSK is scum then I correctly targeted last night. A follower is fairly useless with three scum, especially if two are goons. As the scum dwindle my role becomes more significant as scum have less avenues of who shall kill. TSO's role equally becomes more significant.
It all seems to convenient to be true...
Save your scumbuddy, tell him to full claim.
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:what does it matter caesar?
Its become clear by now he wont claim unless pressured to do so.
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Succumbing to insults. I'm not embarrased.
Just frustrated that there are no active townies to see through the mountain of bullshit before me.
If you're town, you really need to spell it out for me, because it all makes no fucking sense.
Just frustrated that there are no active townies to see through the mountain of bullshit before me.
If you're town, you really need to spell it out for me, because it all makes no fucking sense.
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MAYBE, you wont be lynched if no one CC's you. With three scum alive, they will take the risk of NK'ing you anyways.
A tracker with 11 people to choose from, is not very intimidating.
A tracker with 11 people to choose from, is not very intimidating.
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TSO soft claimed a PR. He will be NK'd.
You argued that a tracker will intimidate them into not night killing.
With 11 players, that isn't likely.
If TSO is town, which isn't very likely, he is going to be killed........tonight.
You argued that a tracker will intimidate them into not night killing.
With 11 players, that isn't likely.
If TSO is town, which isn't very likely, he is going to be killed........tonight.
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TSO, I think you are scum who made an amatuer move, and mattp is covering your ass. That is all there is to say.
Obviously you and mattp will keep denying it. Hopefully town will see through the scumminess, but that is yet to be discovered.
Obviously you and mattp will keep denying it. Hopefully town will see through the scumminess, but that is yet to be discovered.
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And let's all calm down. Yeah, it's okay to swear, but if you're genuinely getting angry over a game, then your a bad sportsman.
Which is the thing. I think your "rages" are astoundingly fake.
Which is the thing. I think your "rages" are astoundingly fake.
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You might not be scum. You could just be ignorant.
What's for sure, is that TSO soft claimed a PR, and refuses to elaborate on what it is.
Yet he wants us to blindly kill mafiassk, on D3, based solely on lurking.
Is that a reason to claim, or does the fact he's going to be NK'd if he's town make more sense to you?
What's for sure, is that TSO soft claimed a PR, and refuses to elaborate on what it is.
Yet he wants us to blindly kill mafiassk, on D3, based solely on lurking.
Is that a reason to claim, or does the fact he's going to be NK'd if he's town make more sense to you?
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It has nothing to do with TSO being scummy or not.
What matters is that he made a very suspicious claim, that can reveal magnitudes of information.
Are you, or are you not, a role cop?
What matters is that he made a very suspicious claim, that can reveal magnitudes of information.
Are you, or are you not, a role cop?
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I don't know why a kill didn't happen. Frankly, it doesn't matter, as you claiming is vital even if I were to be town reading you.
My guess, is that mafia thought an ssk lynch was more acheivable if all players were left alive.
Not killing a player isn't very special, and is done a lot to confuse town.
Leaving players alive is sometimes better than killing them. I myself, was never a fan of night killing. Several times outright refusing to do it.
My guess, is that mafia thought an ssk lynch was more acheivable if all players were left alive.
Not killing a player isn't very special, and is done a lot to confuse town.
Leaving players alive is sometimes better than killing them. I myself, was never a fan of night killing. Several times outright refusing to do it.
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A roleblocker wouldn't confscum.
If he is a roleblocker, that's a mafia role.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roleblocker
If he is a roleblocker, that's a mafia role.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roleblocker
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If mafia were played solely on "what makes sense", town would lose everytime.
Mafia pushes a lot of things which don't make sense.
I still want you to full claim. There is no reason not to at this point.
Mafia pushes a lot of things which don't make sense.
I still want you to full claim. There is no reason not to at this point.
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I know there is at least one investigative role (in a 15 player game)
Please look at TSO tonight.
Let's say you are a jailkeeper. You locking mafiassk doesn't confirm him as scum, does it?
Please look at TSO tonight.
Let's say you are a jailkeeper. You locking mafiassk doesn't confirm him as scum, does it?
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First off, there is no reason to believe the three people "screaming" at me are correct, or telling the truth.
I'm willing to believe for now you're a jailkeeper (although it's far from confirmed). How is mafiassk confirmed through a jailkeep.
It seems like that could be the reason, but so do a million other things.
I'm willing to believe for now you're a jailkeeper (although it's far from confirmed). How is mafiassk confirmed through a jailkeep.
It seems like that could be the reason, but so do a million other things.
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I understood it a long time ago. I'm just wondering how it confirmed him as scum.
That would be contingent on him....
1. Being the only goon
2. The goon to use the night kill
3. A goon
4. Scum
I am not willing to lynch him solely based on that information. At least not until he comes online
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That would be contingent on him....
1. Being the only goon
2. The goon to use the night kill
3. A goon
4. Scum
I am not willing to lynch him solely based on that information. At least not until he comes online
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All reckoner does is vomit trash. How about you actually play instead of trying to start flame wars.
The only thing that keeps you from being banned, is that no one gives two shits when you insult them.
I'm skeptical to a mafiassk lynch, I never said I wasn't open to one. And I do believe a lurker would be the first to activate the NK.
The only thing that keeps you from being banned, is that no one gives two shits when you insult them.
I'm skeptical to a mafiassk lynch, I never said I wasn't open to one. And I do believe a lurker would be the first to activate the NK.
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Its actually you who needs to review their play.
You handled that soft claim
TBH, I don't even know
You handled that soft claim
completely wrong
. The only reason you probably weren't lynched, is because Mattp outted you as a jailkeeper.TBH, I don't even know
why
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If I wasn't the one to push a justifably suspicious claim, it would of been someone else.
Likely anatole and mykonian. Soft claiming in that manner was the complete opposite way you should of handled it.
You shouldn't of said anything to begin with, because if you are being honest, you're going to be NK'd.
And for what, so people could bitch at you three pages because you made the scummiest soft claim ever?
Likely anatole and mykonian. Soft claiming in that manner was the complete opposite way you should of handled it.
You shouldn't of said anything to begin with, because if you are being honest, you're going to be NK'd.
And for what, so people could bitch at you three pages because you made the scummiest soft claim ever?
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And having Reckoner repeat what you say in aggresive caps font doesn't legitimize it.
Actually scum reading him for that. And I understand the "fake" raging farside was referring to earlier.
Actually scum reading him for that. And I understand the "fake" raging farside was referring to earlier.
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There are two possibilities. One Unlikely and another very much likely
1. TSO and Reckoner hardbussed Mafiassk
or the more likely scenario
2. Anatole and Mykonian were circle jerking with me yesterday to save Mafiassk from being lynched.
I got to say, if that was a hardbus, it was pretty elaborate. Then again, mattp dying was just a little to convenient.
I mean, the fact that Mattp died, a town tracker, completely validates TSO's case, and would lead to unquestioned lynches of me and the two asking him to full claim yesterday.
What's even odder is that mafiassk offered no resistance in our debate to lynch him.
1. TSO and Reckoner hardbussed Mafiassk
or the more likely scenario
2. Anatole and Mykonian were circle jerking with me yesterday to save Mafiassk from being lynched.
I got to say, if that was a hardbus, it was pretty elaborate. Then again, mattp dying was just a little to convenient.
I mean, the fact that Mattp died, a town tracker, completely validates TSO's case, and would lead to unquestioned lynches of me and the two asking him to full claim yesterday.
What's even odder is that mafiassk offered no resistance in our debate to lynch him.
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Again, I'm looking at either a reckoner lynch or anatole lynch.
My gut is telling me that was a hardbus, so I'm sticking with anatole
I honestly felt like I was being puppeted by Anatole and Mykonian yesterday, and I don't like that feeling.
My gut is telling me that was a hardbus, so I'm sticking with anatole
I honestly felt like I was being puppeted by Anatole and Mykonian yesterday, and I don't like that feeling.
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:
What was a hard bus? Which part of me *almost* helping to lynch him looks like a hard bus?
I wasn't talking about you (TSO and Reckoner)
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SSK is either a partner to anatole or mykonian.
Originally I was convinced they were both scum, and myko was throwing anatole under the bus to be town read, but now I'm reconsidering.
Originally I was convinced they were both scum, and myko was throwing anatole under the bus to be town read, but now I'm reconsidering.
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My theory is the same. Myko and Anatole are scum, if and only if reckoner and TSO weren't hardbussing mafiassk.
Based purely on physical non associative tells, I'm scum reading flubber, but that's pretty light.
Based purely on physical non associative tells, I'm scum reading flubber, but that's pretty light.
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Thanks for lynching a vanilla townie. I should of been more active to defend myself....
Anyways, shame on all of you for falling for TSO's bullshit.
He obviously can't make a correct and logical case it seems.
Anyways, shame on all of you for falling for TSO's bullshit.
He obviously can't make a correct and logical case it seems.
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Unfortunately farside isn't bussing. I will flip VT.
Which should actually be a source of a town read.
Narrowing my read list down, I'm pretty certain that Mykonian and Anatole are a scum team.
Which should actually be a source of a town read.
Narrowing my read list down, I'm pretty certain that Mykonian and Anatole are a scum team.