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How about this bandwagon on me sweetheart? I need to crumble. For me? Please?
Come on. You can't policy lynch me if you don't vote for me.
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↑ MattP wrote:↑ mykonian wrote:Yes. But seen the responses I suspect this isn't really a productive way of using my vote, which is a pity. I'm waiting for a next place to put it down, so I don't really have interesting reads at the moment. Game is a bit meh apart from the flubbernugget wagon, but that'll take time to give something to talk about.
Its this sort of lackluster posting and lack of committed leads that makes me feel like you're struggling very hard to find a natural angle to scumhunt in this game
You don't see 255 as a good scumhunt?
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↑ Belisarius wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Beli, what do you mean?
Ongoing game meta, so I can't talk about it right now.
Ican, however, have my vote on scum for VCA purposes even if I can't yet convince anyone else to lynch.
You're next, by the way.
Just read this again. Woah. So you absolutely
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you have your vote on scum? That's the implication I see. But that's a shitty implication. I need enlightenment.Why are you so confident in your read so early?
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↑ Belisarius wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Why are you so confident in your read so early?
Why do you think I'm so confident?
How confident do you think I am?
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
You don't think in any way that VCA analysis comment can't backfire in any way if your vote doesn't flip the way you want it to?
Yeah if you're going to push someone as scum with less than 48 hrs into the game and have an "I told you so" attitude about it, I read that as pretty damn confident.
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↑ MafiaSSK wrote:↑ Csareo wrote:I read all of expresso's games. I think he is in a solid town meta.
Besides that, I am town reading farside.
Anatole fits my old town meta to the number, and his plays seem to be an eager scum hunter making a few seemingly slips.
Reckoner, I'm not sure, but he is spending to much time defending himself. Haven't seen anyone defend him, so that is a good sign.
How is Anatole being an eager scum hunter town?
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:I'm still drawing blanks on how myko is trying to get his reads. And he's probably going to scum read me for saying I'm drawing blanks. Like that's the kind of logic I feel like he's trying to push. I don't get it. I almost got it in the beginning of the game but now idk.
And?
Like this is pretty much just posting to post.
What is your view on let's say csa or tso? You have a view on them ?
Its posting to say that if myko keeps going after shallow reads this late in the day he's scum.
Csareo had a permanent VI read from me. I haven't seen him as town but from his play so far I honestly think that the day he gets a scum pm is the day he lurks so hard SSK ends up calling him out in it.
TSO is null/scum. Like normally, "saying this game sucks" or something to that effect as an excuse to half-ass your way through the game is a scum tell to me. But I kinda feel where he's coming from here. I don't see anything juicy to latch onto, and as MattP can tell you, I'm not quite the conversationalist to really put life into the game. Maybe he's the same way?
@TSO. Weird question. I can understand if you don't want to answer it. You go to a party of about 20-30 people, with only 3 of which you know. What do you think you would do in a situation like this?
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:TSO isn't scum and that lynch isn't happening. 14 hrs left; it needs to stay between Espresso and me (preferably Espresso though )
Why?
I may have missed it, but I don't recall why you think esp is scum.
Lurk and fluff. I'm lurking too but I'm not fluffing. And he's trying to push a lynch on Csaero like he's actually scum.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:farside attacks TSO, TSO calls her town and won't lynch her. That's EXACTLY how I respond to cases on me when I'm scum.
Nope. No WIFOM here.
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↑ MafiaSSK wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:I agree Beli was an interesting kill considering he was lurking even harder than me.
You're saying you should be lynched?
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Why can't I get any reads in this game I fucking suck oh well ate wheee.
I don't understand the scum read on vez. He's lurking like the rest of the game.
Csaero is town dammit. Stop going for the easy lynch scum. VOTE: AK
Every time I ISO farside I lose a fetus's stem cells worth of brain cells. And it's not her fault this game just makes me dumb.
I don't understand the scum read on vez. He's lurking like the rest of the game.
Csaero is town dammit. Stop going for the easy lynch scum. VOTE: AK
Every time I ISO farside I lose a fetus's stem cells worth of brain cells. And it's not her fault this game just makes me dumb.
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↑ T S O wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:
I don't understand the scum read on vez. He's lurking like the rest of the game.
There are two static wagons at the moment, both with three people each. One is Csareo, the other is vezok. The lack of anything happening except these two is strongly, strongly indicative of one being scum. You agree with me that Csareo is both scum and an easy mislynch. Vezok is not only the counterwagon but he isalso voting Csareo to boot.
Vote vezok.
Well I can either VOTE: vezok or continute to be apathetic and lame.
See what I did there?
Booooo
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↑ T S O wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:
I don't understand the scum read on vez. He's lurking like the rest of the game.
There are two static wagons at the moment, both with three people each. One is Csareo, the other is vezok. The lack of anything happening except these two is strongly, strongly indicative of one being scum. You agree with me that Csareo is both scum and an easy mislynch. Vezok is not only the counterwagon but he isalso voting Csareo to boot.
Vote vezok.
Why are people saying he has no case?
And TSO, what made SSK's vote scummier than mine?
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:and you still haven't made a case for vezok
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:dude, none of you have even tried making a case on vezok - constantly saying "this lynch sucks vote vezok" does not illuminate anything for anyone who doesn't already agree with you
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:What case on vezok has been made that is not "small and miniscule" - one of you PLEASE make a post detailing the case on him because I asked farside to do the same thing and it was total shit.
I've played with vezok and his behavior here does not seem incongruous with his town play. I have played with TSO and his behavior here is incongruous with his town play that I have seen.
Frankly I hold TSO town to a higher standard than vezok town. TSO is showing too much confidence in a read I have asked 5 times for an explanation for if he's not willing to explain it.
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I don't understand the scum read on vez. He's lurking like the rest of the game.
There are two static wagons at the moment, both with three people each. One is Csareo, the other is vezok. The lack of anything happening except these two is strongly, strongly indicative of one being scum. You agree with me that Csareo is both scum and an easy mislynch. Vezok is not only the counterwagon but he isalso voting Csareo to boot.
Vote vezok.
Why are people saying he has no case?
And TSO, what made SSK's vote scummier than mine?
Explain to me why my sheeping TSO was bad.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Ugh this game is not fun to read. I think it's the avatars
And yet I still feel like if I tried to start a wagon here it would fail. Oh well.
VOTE: Reck
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58677
Basically the more his posting ignores occam's razor and site meta, the townier he is.
Basically the more his posting ignores occam's razor and site meta, the townier he is.
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The fact that this game isn't full of apathy. It would ruin a lot more and it's not a "I want this done and over" kinda thing.
I would probably hammer AK due to PoE.
I need to look this game over again and get a reads list. But that's gonna take some time. And I'm procrastinating homework right now. And tonight marks the beginning of a holiday for me so I won't be able to bury my head in a phone/computer all night. And tomorrow I have classes all day. If I can't get to it before sundown, can you guys wait till late Friday for me to catch up or should I replace out?
I would probably hammer AK due to PoE.
I need to look this game over again and get a reads list. But that's gonna take some time. And I'm procrastinating homework right now. And tonight marks the beginning of a holiday for me so I won't be able to bury my head in a phone/computer all night. And tomorrow I have classes all day. If I can't get to it before sundown, can you guys wait till late Friday for me to catch up or should I replace out?
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↑ mykonian wrote:
yes, that's the best thing about an unreasoned vote.
All we got from you is "wow" in that time. Oh, and now this post, obviously, where apparently it dawns only now on me that I'm using a language based tell to accuse you.
So. "wow, I've been really caught on that" or "wow, I rarely don't post such sentences bruh"?
So it turns out I had no calculus homework until next class. Yay me. Rereading the whole thread. Currently on page 50. This was a bad idea but there's not much left to go so whatever.
Initial thoughts: Myko was pushing a lynch for TSO pretty hard. And his case wasn't all that good throughout the majority (if not all) of the post. Reck has been playing more defensively than scumhunting, and I see the cases he's trying to push as pretty weak as well. Especially on farside. Summary of that case would be nice right now because I'm not going to be able to filter all this to really get it on my own.
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:The fact that this game isn't full of apathy. It would ruin a lot more and it's not a "I want this done and over" kinda thing.
Then why haven't you been playing? Your last post on the 18th before yesterday was very obviously just a prod dodge - you asked a question with no follow-up or evident reasoning. You're not going to convince anyone you give a shit about the game.
This isn't about me caring about the game. This is about everyone else that does.
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↑ SABBATHonSABBATH wrote:Farside your main case on AK is that he's scumreading people he's not voting for, right?
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↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:↑ SABBATHonSABBATH wrote:Farside your main case on AK is that he's scumreading people he's not voting for, right?
That was in regards to reck.
Pretty much opportunistic today for whom he'd vote for. No new reason why he's voting csa.
Day 2 was him agreeing with csa, now calling csa scum again, reasons are because?
In short his reads/reasoning is not fluid and shows no thought process to whom is scum.
If you want links to his games where he shows forward thinking, let me know.
So the italicized is directed as to what AK has done and has nothing to do with Reck. So I made a whoopsie and have no idea if Farside even has a case on Reck now.
But Reck is still scum.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:If farside didn't have a case, what are the reasons I'm scum, Flubber?
I don't like how defensive you've been the whole game. It overwhelms your scumhunting. Can you either summarize for or point me in the right direction to figure out your case on Farside?
What kind of read do you have on me right now?
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I don't see enough scumhunt accommodating the defensiveness. The defense starts feeling like fluff after a while.
I admittedly don't remember anything about your meta when I skimmed through it other than the suck my dick wall. But even then having to point to your meta as a defense seems like a last resort. And weren't you claiming your meta to be over inflammatory before as opposed to defensive?
Looking into what you've given me for the Farside case.
I admittedly don't remember anything about your meta when I skimmed through it other than the suck my dick wall. But even then having to point to your meta as a defense seems like a last resort. And weren't you claiming your meta to be over inflammatory before as opposed to defensive?
Looking into what you've given me for the Farside case.
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I disagree with Farside's vote there but it's understandable.
The only good point you have is that Farside cherry picked your meta, and I haven't gone through those links, but I'm pretty sure if you lied about it Anatole would have caught onto it at least. And most likely others. Everything else is really weak.
At what point does Farside begin talking past you?
The only good point you have is that Farside cherry picked your meta, and I haven't gone through those links, but I'm pretty sure if you lied about it Anatole would have caught onto it at least. And most likely others. Everything else is really weak.
At what point does Farside begin talking past you?
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↑ mykonian wrote:well, hi bye micc.
It's a bit curious though. I don't know if anatole could afford not killing either farside or me, seen last day. I more or less compromised, but both me and farside were very outspoken about calling him scum. With probably two scum alive, I don't know if a JK is as threatening, and TSO (who was somewhat swayed) actually got subbed out by micc over the course of the night.
Regardless, it pays to give attention again to the Farside-Reck mess. Because otherwise I am locked into anatole-flubber and that's just too easy. It felt natural when it happened, it's not too unexpected for those two and the way it went had nothing surprising. As such, it felt town v town. But I don't want to bet lylo on just that.
I think otherwise I would want to do some analysis on the possible pairs left, but reck-farside depends on interpretation and regardless would make a very big blip. I'd be very surprised if that was scum vs scum though. I'd expect it to be less brutal then.
I've also been abstaining from reading flubber. I would like discussion about him and I'm not going to run into any lynch without an opinion on him.
Myko what are you trying to accomplish with 1996?
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This is still how I feel. More reck than myko tho.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Why flubber instead of myko, reck?
I don't know. Like I said yesterday, myko has flown under the radar for me, and the few times he HAS popped up it hasn't been egregious. Flubber has pinged me as scum on and off and I've mostly written it off as just "Oh well he could just be a VI", but coming into today with a scumread on me (or, as he put it, a scumread on me and myko but slightly more on me) feels very disgusting.
I've been scum reading you since I did a reread of the whole thread. Both you and Myko. I don't like how defensive you are playing. Note, this has nothing to do with you making a post or two to defend yourself. Your play has self preservation waaay to high on your priorities. I skimmed the ISO of the first link you had in that list of games you played in. Inflammatory behavior doesn't bother me. But your ISO was a lot more aggressive in that game than in this one.
I've alluded to it but yeah, I feel like I'm being groomed as a mislynch. Look at the fucking dead players... vezok, Matt, and TSO ALL thought I was town (granted, vezok was my bad) and now any voice that had a strong town read on me is dead, leaving nothing but whispering masses of people who may-or-may-not have a scumread on me. It just stinks, and I can't think of any other reason why I'm still alive right now other than I look scummy enough to lynch, whereas there was no fucking way scum would ever be able to get Matt or TSO lynched.
I'm reading this a fearmongering attempt to accuse me of fearmongering.
I think Flubber is still a VI... but I think that VI-ness is what lead to him playing his cards too early today and showing that he wants to go after me.
I hate to ask what may seem like an insulting question but I've seen the terminology mean different things before. But I'm assuming you personally can consider a VI of mafia alignment?
Farside, I've had a scumread on all game. This isn't news, and nothing that has happened has assuaged me. I need to look at farside x Flubber interactions to see what I can gleam there, but the most damning evidence is still the way farside played around SSK's meta and conclusively found that his lurking was null, then tried to dump off the responsibility of that read onto me.
Based off of farside's opinions of SSK how do you expect her to be reading me?
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↑ mykonian wrote:Hardly. Also, anatole brings nothing but is the quickest there to respond with a vote. Not to mention that he has had nothing against me all game. I'd say reck for buddy. Which is fun, because that means I get to talk with two scum, since flubber doesn't want to talk and farside is being replaced.
Bro. I'm struggling because I wasn't following the game till the Csaero/AK wagons.* But I've read through the whole game, and I think your scum for your push on TSO. What would you like to discuss?
*Does anyone have a vca suggesting an AK counterwagon? Because I suck at vca.
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I don't understand this at all. What I see right now is you looking for the lynch of least resistance.
Can I vote reck now?
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I'm hesitant to vote because I have yet to make it to lylo and not fuck it up.
Why do you have the strongest read on the player with the least content?
And the vote, barring quickhammers, could have very well been a bus if there's two scum, but that usually only happens when one of the scum is pegged
Is anybody town reading myko?
Why do you have the strongest read on the player with the least content?
And the vote, barring quickhammers, could have very well been a bus if there's two scum, but that usually only happens when one of the scum is pegged
Is anybody town reading myko?
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I apologize for lurking. I don't know what it was about this game, but after about page 5 the whole game (not just farside) started looking like words on a page. I couldn't process any of it until I saw myko try to push TSO. Fuck, I thought a lot of my case on Reck was coming off as improvised.
I've actually noticed this happening in a lot of my non-micro games, notably the now abandoned PYP Open game, whose game number I cannot currently remember.
Has anyone else noticed this happen when they were reading a game?
I've actually noticed this happening in a lot of my non-micro games, notably the now abandoned PYP Open game, whose game number I cannot currently remember.
Has anyone else noticed this happen when they were reading a game?
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