What site did you play at?
Personally I treat all games the same. Mods tend to give safe claims so breaking the game doesn't occur.
Myko: I would only think you were serious if you were voting the guy.
↑ Ki-Gi wrote:Your vote was opportunistic because you tried to back it up with (poor) reasoning. His vote seemed random, blatantly without justification. It's scum motivation vs. WIFOM, I pick the former as more likely to be scum. My question could gain insight into the wagon to better understand his post (if it was to be answered), so I can therefore see if I'm missing something about it that makes it scummier.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?
You said you don't think it's likely that scum would drop the second vote on a wagon without explanation, which is what Matt did.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?
My vote is not random or a shock I would say.
But please keep asking pointless questions that give you no alignment info.
It's not pointless - you still haven't explained why you are voting for me. Why are you trying to avoid explaining the vote?
Anatole Kuragin wrote:Farside, If you were town you should welcome the opportunity to explain scumreads or perceived motives - not just ignore the chance to reason out a possible wagon as a gotcha for a point that is irrelevant.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I said I didn't understand what you were asking. Your question at the top of the last page does not follow any known human language syntax.
I then explained I was trying to get the first couple pages sussed out by asking questions. What isn't answered?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I saw his post about Matt earlier, and asked if he thought the way Matt (who he was and is voting) would be likely to vote in such a bold way (no other text, or explanation) as the second vote on a wagon if he was scum. I asked this because I think that reduces the chances of it being a scum vote. Ki-Gi even said himself he didn't think it would be likely when addressing the question in a more general manner.
That has nothing to do with what you're arguing.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Ki-Gi wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I saw his post about Matt earlier, and asked if he thought the way Matt (who he was and is voting) would be likely to vote in such a bold way (no other text, or explanation) as the second vote on a wagon if he was scum. I asked this because I think that reduces the chances of it being a scum vote. Ki-Gi even said himself he didn't think it would be likely when addressing the question in a more general manner.
That has nothing to do with what you're arguing.
You realize your question did not refer to Matt right?
He also stated it wasn't a big scum tell, also not sure why your up in arms over my vote with explanation while questioning ki for his vote with the rational of being a second vote without a reason.
What is the difference between the first vote for no reason push?
Your vote still has no explanation at all.
And yes, I was asking a question to Ki-Gi in reference to Matt originally. I think I would know better than you. Ki-gi seemed to understand the question fine when I asked it - you are the only one who did not.
That's not true, I thought you were referring to Flubber when you were referring to Matt, which made me answer yes as opposed to no.
Your answer shows to me what you would think of the situation without confbias, do you disagree?
Anatole Kuragin wrote:This is what happens when I'm bored at work all day because there are no support tickets to deal with.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I saw his post about Matt earlier, and asked if he thought the way Matt (who he was and is voting) would be likely to vote in such a bold way (no other text, or explanation) as the second vote on a wagon if he was scum. I asked this because I think that reduces the chances of it being a scum vote. Ki-Gi even said himself he didn't think it would be likely when addressing the question in a more general manner.
That has nothing to do with what you're arguing.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:a) I know people who say bruh
b) farside, that's why I'm asking questions - to flesh out and contextualize the game so far
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:What do you find interesting about the flubbernugget wagon?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Too many players ask leading questions that give too much away, give scum an out in answering, or assume an answer from the beginning. None of these are particularly useful when trying to understand players' motivations. I'd rather just ask you guys what you were/are thinking. I'm not trying to look "important" whatever that means - I'm trying to piece together reads and you and farside are being particularly reluctant in response.
Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?
Anatole why did you ask the question this way if it's not a scum tell to you?
I was trying to break down why KiGi was voting Matt when at worst his vote was null.
↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:What do you find interesting about the flubbernugget wagon?
Can I say what I find interesting about the whole thing!?!?
Like I've been asking all day? Sure.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:
Why did you vote him?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?
You said you don't think it's likely that scum would drop the second vote on a wagon without explanation, which is what Matt did.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:farside, how many scum have you got with random, completely unqualified and unexplained votes?
My vote is not random or a shock I would say.
But please keep asking pointless questions that give you no alignment info.
It's not pointless - you still haven't explained why you are voting for me. Why are you trying to avoid explaining the vote?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Farside, If you were town you should welcome the opportunity to explain scumreads or perceived motives - not just ignore the chance to reason out a possible wagon as a gotcha for a point that is irrelevant.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I just find it weird that you're willing to drop an apparently serious vote with intention to make a case later, rather than the logical order of making a case first.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ MattP wrote:
When I read through your posts regardless of content they came off as vindictive. I care much less about what you are doing in your posts. Do you currently believe that farside is even scummy?
Pursuing a case without any reasoning at all, discouraging questioning players and their motives are the scummiest traits that have been displayed so far. I'm trying to let her explain why she's playing like this before I make up my mind.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:
I understand that, KiGi and it's one of the reasons I'm not still trying to argue anything about that quote with you. Farside on the other hand, is trying to make it seem scummy even though the two people involved with the question are past it.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I'm not sure on Ki-Gi yet.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Too many players ask leading questions that give too much away, give scum an out in answering, or assume an answer from the beginning. None of these are particularly useful when trying to understand players' motivations. I'd rather just ask you guys what you were/are thinking. I'm not trying to look "important" whatever that means - I'm trying to piece together reads and you and farside are being particularly reluctant in response.
Anatole Kuragin wrote:Why are you putting the burden on everyone else to generate content, Csareo?
Beli, what do you mean?
↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Okay. Sorry for the afk. Should get some real content out later tonight.
VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION:
Has anyone played with Csareo before??
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Csareo wrote:Look up guys
There is a dumbass in our midst, and he's here to troll
I would not mind policy lynching this asshole. He'll say stupid shit that will get him scum read and we'll spend 5 pages arguing about whether that is just his meta.
I can confirm that flubber's meta is to act like a douchebag.
VOTE: carstereo
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Sorry I was rude in my last posts, Farside. I was in a bad mood last night.
But I echo my statement by asking what the fuck are you talking about re: trying to make my posts look like your posts?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I mocked your case against me because it was really bad. You just quoted posts and interpreted them poorly, mostly stuff that has already been argued or explained in a way that makes it clear you didn't understand them at all.
This frustrates me because you don't like me asking questions that help me understand people's reasoning, yet you clearly misunderstand posts frequently and just roll with it.
Which makes more sense?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:He's not just contradicting himself - he's trying to make cases based on contradictions as well. He is changing his opinions based on who he wants to lynch.
Wants to lynch flubber because he's an easy, absent target - let's do a policy lynch
Trying to argue against Ki-Gi - policy lynches are for scum
↑ Ki-Gi wrote:
Your "conversations" with AK is nothing but running in circles and never concluding anything decent, so really I care enough about the townto avoidgetting involved with them. My stabs at people actually reveal shit that help me with my reads. You just confuse people with questions that couldn't possibly reveal alignment and then continue to bother them when they call you out for it. I would OMGUS you but I just think you're weak town. If your scum and just want me to think that, then good job.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:it is not clear to me either
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:it is not clear to me either
What did you think of ki's reaction to my vote?
His response isn't alignment indicative and makes decent points.
If you're trying to vote someone for not scumhunting, why wouldn't you hold Belisarius, TSO, Myko, etc. to the same standard? He's doing more than they are to actually have some presence in the town.
↑ Belisarius wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:You don't think in any way that VCA analysis comment can't backfire in any way if your vote doesn't flip the way you want it to?
Sure it can. I'm fine with the risk.
↑ Belisarius wrote:
Based on the little leprechaun who perches on my shoulder and whispers secrets into my ear.
Mostly just stuff about Ray Liotta's secret second life as a masked crime fighter, but sometimes I get something useful. Sometimes.
↑ Belisarius wrote:
I'm not tunnelling per se, I'd also be OK with a Kuragin lynch, because I'm a huge hypocrite who shitposts while scumreading another player for shitposting.
↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Ki-Gi wrote:
Your "conversations" with AK is nothing but running in circles and never concluding anything decent, so really I care enough about the townto avoidgetting involved with them. My stabs at people actually reveal shit that help me with my reads. You just confuse people with questions that couldn't possibly reveal alignment and then continue to bother them when they call you out for it. I would OMGUS you but I just think you're weak town. If your scum and just want me to think that, then good job.
You never said anything about my questions before this.
Why did you not voice that before I voted you?
You also said nothing about the argument between me and Anatole other then to come in and agree that anatole's question was misleading so....?
↑ Espressojet wrote:Matt, can you please explain to me why you would like Flubber lynched?
Espressojet wrote:↑ MattP wrote:↑ Espressojet wrote:Ok, sounds good.
Well besides me just being indignant, doesn't it make more sense for you to independently form an opinion given the extreme lack of effort that goes into it and then discuss with me? It seems pretty all-around more helpful for all parties.
I wanted to hear YOUR opinion
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Why tomorrow? Why not today?
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Why tomorrow? Why not today?
Finishing up things on my desk. I may get it done tonight but I'm never sure how my night is going to go.
So you meanliterallytomorrow as in 24 hours from now, not tomorrow as in Day Two
↑ Espressojet wrote:Lol, look at all this flailing.
There's no way he's a power role, I was wrong in that initial assumption.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I voted him and didn't mention flailing, so did MattP
So your decision to hand-wave the wagon away by misconstruing Espresso's reasons as the entire wagon's reasons is really bad
↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I voted him and didn't mention flailing, so did MattP
So your decision to hand-wave the wagon away by misconstruing Espresso's reasons as the entire wagon's reasons is really bad
I mentioned it because I saw esp said it as a scum tell.
Why are you voting Anatole?
MattP wrote:I'm being wishy washy but I've reevaluated and yeah shit happens but with everything taken into account I believe flubber is overall the most scummy player in game
↑ Flubbernugget wrote:I'm still drawing blanks on how myko is trying to get his reads. And he's probably going to scum read me for saying I'm drawing blanks. Like that's the kind of logic I feel like he's trying to push. I don't get it. I almost got it in the beginning of the game but now idk.
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:I've read everything.
Scum reads: espresso, carstereo and farside
Town reads: reck, mikonyan
The rest are different shades of null.
I'llvote carstereo
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:
Because myko mentioned Matt in his case on TSO and for some reason Matt's name was on my mind when I was writing up my response.
Have youneverbeen writing something down and having a conversation with someone and accidentally wrote down what you were saying/what the other person was saying instead of what you meant to write?
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:"Myko is town...I liked his case...I don't want to lynch Matt"
This are the three statements made in that post.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I voted him and didn't mention flailing, so did MattP
So your decision to hand-wave the wagon away by misconstruing Espresso's reasons as the entire wagon's reasons is really bad
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Oh ew, how did I not see 189?
↑ MattP wrote:I don't think Reck is super invested in this game, but I don't think he usually is super invested in games.
His tone and thought process (no matter it being mildly to moderately uninvested) is what makes him town. He's invested enough that I can see clarity and a pretty natural direction in where he is going.
I like Vezok's reads. I think Cstareo and Espresso are scummy. I like an espresso lynch, and the only thing that makes me iffy is farside's reaction to the cstareo votes. They are the first thing that made me severely doubt my town read on farside. But at worst,I feel more confident that farside, if scum, would not chainsaw so hard and would more likely be doing this if cstareo was a mislynch and she was looking forward to dismantling the game tomorrow and sending people off on reck / vezok lynches. [/]
I want an espresso lynch today.
UNVOTE
VOTE: Espresso
↑ MattP wrote:Just for associative tells tomorrow:
Farside has never even hinted at her stance on Espresso and has only asked him one or two very uncommitted questions that she never expanded upon afterwards.
Pedit: No, but this isn't an "active lurking" or "never posting content" thing, this is directly related to tone and the only things he's ever tried to be useful about
But why
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I don't even understand what farside is saying.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:it's just fluff questioning, he isn't trying to get at the heart of anything
fake scumhunting = scum
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:Matt is null-town because I can't read him very well.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:VOTE: farside22
Preemptive, reactionary vote on me after agreeing with vezok
Tries to push vezok as scum because he's "pushing a newbie" as if that's fucking relevant
Uses cherry picked meta (literally 20% of my games this year, probably a smaller percentage if you go back 2-3 years) to say that my behavior this game is scum and out of line with my "town meta" because I WASN'T A JERK IN ONE GAME
It just reeks
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:To continue the fakeness of reck.
You have the good case on Matt, and it was tso case.
Fun fact myko I believe mentioned Matt once with the rest tso.
So fake read.
To his vote on Anatole.
The only pushing of the wagon when I posted was between ESP and Anatole so his comment to me about handing waving a case that is being primary pushed is by esp. Not him or Matt.
1) Yes, I misread, I explained how I misread and how it happened, literally nobody else thinks this is some kind of slip except you.
2) myko mentioned Matt once in a post that was mostly quotes and a couple sentences from myko himself. You're acting like I latched onto Matt's name in a massive wall post.
3) I'm struggling to see how mistyping the name I meant to say means a 'fake read'. I've pointed this out a dozen times and nobody has had an answer.
4) I literally cannot understand what the fuck you're trying to say in this last sentence. I've reread it five times.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Because I think flubber is scum?
myko just made a solid case, it makes me feel better about myko. I'm not going to jump on it immediately but TSO's on the list for other reasons I don't quite want to share yet
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:My god myko is town. I actually really liked his case on MattP :c but Mattykins I don't wanna lynch you
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:vote farside
Take a chill pill. Don't get stressed.
Also talking about fake. That farside rage was incredibly fake.
↑ T S O wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Because I think flubber is scum?
myko just made a solid case, it makes me feel better about myko. I'm not going to jump on it immediately but TSO's on the list for other reasons I don't quite want to share yet
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:My god myko is town. I actually really liked his case on MattP :c but Mattykins I don't wanna lynch you
Oh and for those not paying attention at home.
Read these two post and ask why the fuck would he not want to lynch tso if he had reasons for tso scum.
Obviously his vote on Flubber was weak since it lasted how freeking long?
I think it sums up just how strong he thinks the case is, given he couldn't even remember the name of who it was on.
I'm townreading farside for this.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:"Myko is town...I liked his case...I don't want to lynch Matt"
This are the three statements made in that post.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Uh how was my post not clear since I both praised myko's case and said I didn't want to lynch matt in the same fucking sentence
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Because I think flubber is scum?
myko just made a solid case, it makes me feel better about myko. I'm not going to jump on it immediately but TSO's on the list for other reasons I don't quite want to share yet
↑ mykonian wrote:Ok, I did like vezok better than ki gi, but if I wanted to convince myself into a vezok lynch, the post below is the one I'd take.
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:vote farside
Take a chill pill. Don't get stressed.
Also talking about fake. That farside rage was incredibly fake.
This is buddying with reck as hard as he could. The post on it's own didn't fit what was posted at that point. That wasn't farside raging, and the intention of the vote is given with the first sentence: don't go so hard on reck.
So yeah, I know it sucks to lynch someone who's only there for a couple of days and replaced in, but both ki gi and vezok are scummy.
Seriously didn't need this now. You guys suck
And somehow you'll be best buddies when reck talks with farside? This post doesn't make sense.
Can we please lynch TSO.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:vez and flubber, if you are not already voting espresso, you should since you have both expressed he was scummy
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:
Are you serious?
You say you want to lynch me or reck without ever giving an honest read on us.
You expressed suspicion on most of the players. What are your reads right now?
Also I don't think I've seen noob scum buddy up to their partners.
↑ MattP wrote:↑ Espressojet wrote:I've been reading throughout the game bit by bit. I have been since I started posting again, but I wanted to know how people would feel if I said I wasn't.
Nobody went for the bait, so there's no reason to continue.
VOTE: Anatole
This guy's been pushing every little thing, and he's been way overeager in everything he does. My guess is either scum or power role, but my money's on scum, I think it's more likely, and the way he was biting the hook made me feel even more from him.
Beyond me thinking this was ridiculous and fake
↑ Espressojet wrote:I speculate you might have a power role because potentially if others seem to agree with me on the fact that you are scum, instead of letting you get speedlynched it could give you a chance for a claim just so we don't fuck up. (It could potentially stop a mislynch if that happened to be the case)
And beyond me thinking this was ridiculous and fake
↑ Espressojet wrote:Lol, look at all this flailing.
There's no way he's a power role, I was wrong in that initial assumption.
This is a blatantly scummy feigned conclusion and complete mud-slinging
I don't like your antagonistic tone and moreover I don't like your rationalization of an Anatole lynch. I think unnaturally forwarding your agenda, and I think you're scum
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:
Farisde becoming aggressive the first time in KOTOR was when she was called scum. Guess what. She was scum that game.
There are more examples of this. Every time someone called her scum she became aggressive. Until then she was as peaceful as a snowflake.
↑ Espressojet wrote:↑ MattP wrote:↑ Espressojet wrote:I'm actually starting to think I'm going to get lynched though.
Ty for your contribution
I thought I posted something else, but I guess not.
To sum it up, Csareo is likely scum here and Reck is proving himself town in my book.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Motherfuck. Matt said he isn't moving his vote. I'll be around to switch if I need to do so, but I really really want a farside lynch today. Her posting and attack methods have been atrocious.
Oh and in regards to post 795 from Reck:xRECKONERx wrote:
I'm seriously flagging this one.
holy shit you're one of the thickest people I've ever seen. what the fuck. do you just not know how to write OR read english?
↑ MattP wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:Matt: If he read the case and agreed with the case, why would he agree about a case that is all quotes about Tso and think it was you?
That makes less sense.
Please explain with meta on vezo you know of what makes SSK a better lynch.
MattP wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:
holy shit you're one of the thickest people I've ever seen. what the fuck. do you just not know how to write OR read english?
To be fair farside, Reck's explanation of his fuckup just makes sense on a cognitive reading sort of level. The explanation is complicated because of the added meta situation involving TSO, but it makes sense, even if I too got tripped up on it logically for a while too...it clicks.
Fine I'll put reck on ignore and report his post at this point and vote my second scummiest.
Vote: Vezo
Nothing new. He is pretty much like I saw before. Plus with just over a day I expect people to vote scum no matter there alignment.
Also Flubber did the same, anything on him about meta?
He explains it in his post, he was at work and haphazardly reading and made a mental mixup. I've seen 100x worse happen, and his explanation of his mental mixup makes sense to me. I don't know what to say, it's not like I'm not acknowledging that what he did was stupid, I just think it was a genuine mixup. Read his explanation, it makes sense that someone could essentially not make sense in that manner.
I can't say anything content-wise about Vezok because part of my rationalization of a read on him stems from something that is "ongoing"
You see, here's the thing, you're defending MafiaSSK with meta, so I don't understand why you're so hung up on my personal meta. Considering MafiaSSK has literally said like one thing this entire game I don't really think there's anything to even derive meta-wise. I think he's a useless and harmful player, and I think regardless of your understanding of his meta he did something scummy and opportunistic by voting Espresso pace-wise when he did
↑ MattP wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:
holy shit you're one of the thickest people I've ever seen. what the fuck. do you just not know how to write OR read english?
To be fair farside, Reck's explanation of his fuckup just makes sense on a cognitive reading sort of level. The explanation is complicated because of the added meta situation involving TSO, but it makes sense, even if I too got tripped up on it logically for a while too...it clicks.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Oh, just now? Not for the past five pages where you've been talking about me to everyone else like I'm not in the game?
I'm not moving it. I'm not moving it at all. farside backed into a corner, lost the argument, realized she had no moves, and is now trying to jump on a townie at deadline. NO FUCKING THANK YOU.
↑ MattP wrote:
It's because I was already reading Ki-Gi as town and Vezok's posts came off typically what I would expect from Vezok town, whether or not I consider them quality posts. Good luck ever finding a game where Vezok demonstrates effort when delivering reads. Link me to a single town game of Vezok's where he was articulate with going through his reads
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I've played with espresso twice - once he was scum and once he was town. He played just as clueless and obnoxious as here. His scum game was so bad that there was no way he could be scum. I don't want to make the same mistake twice - but this blatant dipshittery in this game leads me to a "this guy is probably 16" read rather than a "this guy is scum" read.
↑ Flubbernugget wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:I'm still drawing blanks on how myko is trying to get his reads. And he's probably going to scum read me for saying I'm drawing blanks. Like that's the kind of logic I feel like he's trying to push. I don't get it. I almost got it in the beginning of the game but now idk.
And?
Like this is pretty much just posting to post.
What is your view on let's say csa or tso? You have a view on them ?
Its posting to say that if myko keeps going after shallow reads this late in the day he's scum.
Csareo had a permanent VI read from me. I haven't seen him as town but from his play so far I honestly think that the day he gets a scum pm is the day he lurks so hard SSK ends up calling him out in it.
TSO is null/scum. Like normally, "saying this game sucks" or something to that effect as an excuse to half-ass your way through the game is a scum tell to me. But I kinda feel where he's coming from here. I don't see anything juicy to latch onto, and as MattP can tell you, I'm not quite the conversationalist to really put life into the game. Maybe he's the same way?
@TSO. Weird question. I can understand if you don't want to answer it. You go to a party of about 20-30 people, with only 3 of which you know. What do you think you would do in a situation like this?
↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Wanna vote for Espresso, but I kinda want a VC first.
↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Hey look a vote count! I really thought Espresso had more votes.
VOTE: espresso
↑ Espressojet wrote:OK, SSK or flubber, which one we doing, cuz I'd be OK with either.
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:I'm not liking how farside wagon isn't taking off.
↑ Flubbernugget wrote:TSO isn't scum and that lynch isn't happening. 14 hrs left; it needs to stay between Espresso and me (preferably Espresso though )
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ xRECKONERx wrote:VOTE: farside22
Preemptive, reactionary vote on me after agreeing with vezok
Tries to push vezok as scum because he's "pushing a newbie" as if that's fucking relevant
Uses cherry picked meta (literally 20% of my games this year, probably a smaller percentage if you go back 2-3 years) to say that my behavior this game is scum and out of line with my "town meta" because I WASN'T A JERK IN ONE GAME
It just reeks
If this is the sum of the case against farside, it's pretty weak. She played like this (aggressive, frequently wrong, botched reasoning and difficult to understand) in the last game I played with her when she was town. It's going to be hard to discern her alignment with any certainty without flips
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:You should try using more commas and write shorter sentences.
I also find it hard to read your posts but manage to understand them.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I also want to clarify that 100% of mafia players use botched reasoning to justify wagons they think are right at some point or another and it's not meant to be insulting or anything - we won the game I'm referring to and farside did have one of the scum pegged. Just saying, in this case it's not a scumtell necessarily and the case is pretty weak regardless.
↑ Oman wrote:Vote Count - D1 - 12A, 7L
Espressojet (4) - Anatole Kuragin, Flubbernugget, MafiaSSK,
farside22 (2) - xRECKONERx, vezokpiraka,
Flubbernugget (2) - Belisarius, Espressojet,
T S O (2) - mykonian, MattP,
vezokpiraka (2) - Csareo, farside22,
MafiaSSK (1) - T S O,
Not Voting (0) - Nobody!
Current Deadline
(expired on 2014-09-03 15:24:00)
I'm out until almost deadline. Enjoy your day guys
xRECKONERx wrote:farside attacks TSO, TSO calls her town and won't lynch her. That's EXACTLY how I respond to cases on me when I'm scum.
↑ MafiaSSK wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:I agree Beli was an interesting kill considering he was lurking even harder than me.
You're saying you should be lynched?
T S O wrote:I want to lynch basically fucking everyone here.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I want Csareo dead but I want farside deadso much more.
Look at yesterday. Look at how she had to find a way to back up off of the mislynch on me and justify jumping on TSOat fucking deadline.
Farside is scum, TSO is town, actually. No way does scum hop off of one mislynch onto a scumbuddy's wagon at deadline.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:What point farside? I don't know who is scum with espresso, it's stupid to speculate on that without a flip
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:Staying at a vote near deadline helps how?
Your point is stay on a player that won't be lynched at deadline and vote for one of the 2 wagons you lean scum on his scummy. No seriously that is your point.
How dare farside vote another scum read but ignore the fact reck does it.
That is how dumb your point is.
Uh, what?
You didn't jump on a deadline lynch. You jumped onto a NON-WAGON that wasn't going to happen at deadline. That's what makes it ridiculous.
"I've been tunneling on Reck like an idiot all day, but now that it's near deadline, I'm going to have a MOMENT OF CLARITY! ...and vote someone who is nowhere close to being lynched."
That is how dumb your play is.
↑ Oman wrote:Vote Count - D1 - 12A, 7L
Espressojet (4) - Anatole Kuragin, Flubbernugget, MafiaSSK,
farside22 (2) - xRECKONERx, vezokpiraka,
Flubbernugget (2) - Belisarius, Espressojet,
T S O (2) - mykonian, MattP,
vezokpiraka (2) - Csareo, farside22,
MafiaSSK (1) - T S O,
Not Voting (0) - Nobody!
Current Deadline
(expired on 2014-09-03 15:24:00)
I'm out until almost deadline. Enjoy your day guys
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:is anyone who is not voting you scum?
↑ mykonian wrote:↑ MattP wrote:I will just say, Myko, that I obviously would have hammered a known town bus driver before deadline if I were scum considering it was a "towny" thing to do and I wouldn't have gotten shit for it, and Idk why you think it's weird that I stalled on a lynch. I was hoping Oman would give an extension given the nature of my question to him, and I was upset that the lack of attention given by the mod to the game was to my detriment when it was something that shouldn't have any influence on the nature of the game. I didn't vote because I thought I was completely justified to have a chance to see an answer to my question before a lynch having asked it 5 hours before the deadline.
It is weird because I hammered it x hours after (what we thought to be) the deadline, with nobody doing a thing about it. By all means, this could have been a d1 without a lynch. That's really strange, it never happens, and it would really suck.
You would have been fine with that just because of your principles, you had an important question and you had the right to an answer before the lynch. That right is all you are hiding behind here.
And I can't think of a question which possible answer could convince you that esspresso was town.
↑ mykonian wrote:because you could get the same lynch tomorrow. A no lynch is a victory as well.
But as far as I can see, you are already set on not believing it because you keep approaching it from that angle no matter what. There's something else that you don't talk about that makes you not want to vote matt, which is a little annoying.
Apart from anatole and you theres nobody who really wants to speak out about matt, which I guess is to be expected.
To get myself from one tunnel in the other, I do not like TSO's current burst of activity, the singlemindedness of it. I don't think vezok and tso could be on one scumteam. The way things are now, matt could explain his actions as insincere as he wants (which he does), and it simply isn't going to take off. Vezok isn't talking and he's the default as it stands. Can't really be sad about it, but it is worrying me a little. It's going really easily.
↑ mykonian wrote:No, I'm talking about where you keep asking the same question but don't bother to respond to the given answers. I get it, you don't want to vote matt. Stop bothering me about it, because you are already set on not being convinced and I can do better things than talk to a brick wall.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Myko, you don't see any merit to the Csar case?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Because I don't think he is scummy?
You can't ask "why isn't ___ scum" because the burden of proof is on the claim that he is - and you've provided jack in the way of any incriminating evidence.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ vezokpiraka wrote:How about you vote farside and cut the crap.
why'd you tell me to cut the crap if you were just going to capitulate?
Anatole Kuragin wrote:farside - vezok kinda bugged me with that but my question was more out of annoyance than because I thought he was contradicting himself in some super scummy way. I don't see any reason to believe he is scum. Aside from that one vote switch, what is your case?
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:How about you vote farside and cut the crap.
↑ vezokpiraka wrote:Anatole being certain about something means he is just anatole.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:there are more townies in this game than scum, so my default assumption is null/town, not scum because that would be idiotic
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:
just so i can avoid reading a long post if possible - does it involve me being scum in any way?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Refusing to provide any justification for wagons he's trying to convey some sense of confidence about, going with a gut scum read on him and hoping that myko is town.
Anatole Kuragin wrote:I said at the beginning of the game that this is not the same TSO I have played with in the past where he was town.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:
Ok, cool then this will be easy. It's wrong. And now I have even less faith in the vezok wagon because you agree with it.
VOTE: TSO
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:and you still haven't made a case for vezok
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:dude, none of you have even tried making a case on vezok - constantly saying "this lynch sucks vote vezok" does not illuminate anything for anyone who doesn't already agree with you
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:What case on vezok has been made that is not "small and miniscule" - one of you PLEASE make a post detailing the case on him because I asked farside to do the same thing and it was total shit.
I've played with vezok and his behavior here does not seem incongruous with his town play. I have played with TSO and his behavior here is incongruous with his town play that I have seen.
Frankly I hold TSO town to a higher standard than vezok town. TSO is showing too much confidence in a read I have asked 5 times for an explanation for if he's not willing to explain it.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:
Ok, cool then this will be easy. It's wrong. And now I have even less faith in the vezok wagon because you agree with it.
VOTE: TSO
Oh and since you decided to make this shit comment I'll point out you drive that esp wagon so anyone thinking your views hold value should make you think scum is buddying you (which I wonder why you don't think that) or you are scum driving cases on town and not caring who follows.
Should I point to the game we were in together and your much better POV and cases? Or do you make shot cases as town that I'm unaware that you use day after day unchanged?
I'll freely admit my game is a lot worse without a scum flip, but there's no way there's not scum between tso, csareo, and you.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:yeah well, you guys are all acting really weird about each other
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I think Reck or TSO or both are scum. I'd vote either one.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I was scumreading him since the beginning of the game, but you and vezok vouched for him. Vezok is dead and my opinion of your mafia play is pretty much ruined if you are town so either way that's not a deterrent anymore.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:My mistake, you're right abut your posts on Reck.
I am just completely speechless that you would vote me at the beginning of this day given what happened yesterday and the fact that I was most likely the failed night kill.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:There's no reason for scum to be desperate enough to fake claim at this point considering how shit we have played, tbh
↑ Csareo wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:There's no reason for scum to be desperate enough to fake claim at this point considering how shit we have played, tbh
This^
I'm looking for a few response before I vote.
You know better than this. Scum fake PR's more than anyone else, and it's to get a basis for lynches.
↑ Csareo wrote:That's dependent on TSO being lynched tommorow, which isn't even for sure. TSO also has a reputation forstarting wagons on scumbuddies and playing out the rest of the game.
He did it in BE's 1601, starting the wagon on his scum buddy.
There are a million possibilities, none of which discredit the evidence we have to believe TSO is lying.
T S O wrote:Town Jailkeeper - roleblocked farside as I expected Csareo-scum to not kill if he was scum - kill went through.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:
So what you're trying to say is, it's based on nothing.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Somehow I forgot that Beli is in this game. Huh.
I really wish MafiaSSK wouldn't sign up to play games. :\ I know he's lurking and that's normal but it's still unfair to have a completely inactive slot.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Matt, if your theory is myko/SSK/vezok, I'd much rather lynch SSK first out of that group.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Yeah I'm reading back now.
I don't see myko as scum but I guess I could see the SSK/vezok link.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Tomorrow is lylo with likely two scum alive if I am lynched today.
Why are you voting Csareo? He could be scum but if TSO is telling the truth he didn't send the kill.
TSO, why didn't you protect a conftown player who 100% was going to be killed?
Anatole Kuragin wrote:my suspicion of csareo is well-documented, but I don't know who the partner would be now. farside or reck. we need everyone to claim I think
↑ Flubbernugget wrote:↑ mykonian wrote:
yes, that's the best thing about an unreasoned vote.
All we got from you is "wow" in that time. Oh, and now this post, obviously, where apparently it dawns only now on me that I'm using a language based tell to accuse you.
So. "wow, I've been really caught on that" or "wow, I rarely don't post such sentences bruh"?
So it turns out I had no calculus homework until next class. Yay me. Rereading the whole thread. Currently on page 50. This was a bad idea but there's not much left to go so whatever.
Initial thoughts: Myko was pushing a lynch for TSO pretty hard. And his case wasn't all that good throughout the majority (if not all) of the post. Reck has been playing more defensively than scumhunting, and I see the cases he's trying to push as pretty weak as well. Especially on farside. Summary of that case would be nice right now because I'm not going to be able to filter all this to really get it on my own.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:↑ Flubbernugget wrote:I don't like Reck's hammer on Vezo
It was an accident. As I said (and the mod apologized PUBLICLY for this), the infrequent vote counts made it hard to see that he was at L-1.
#1- I had a townread on vezok until I read Matt's case on him for the SSK interactions and his reads list was really fucking scummy
#2- Vezok NEVER fucking said he would vote for me, in fact the one thing he kept saying with his dying breaths was NOT TO LYNCH ME.
I really still dislike farside, who is stretching the truth and talking in circles about me. A farside/Csareo team wouldn't surprise me at all.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Yeah I'm reading back now.
I don't see myko as scum but I guess I could see the SSK/vezok link.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:farside. Are you just not reading my posts?
I said that the link I saw was thatifvezok was scum,thenSSK was scum, too. I literally just said "I wasn't going to vote SSK until the claims happened", so I don't know why you're pointing it out again.
I just gave my thoughts on Anatole. 8 posts ago.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:This is so easy.
Anatole is town. This is obvious because of the way he reacted to the TSO/Matt claim clusterfuck yesterday.
WHICH MEANS, currently, there is a wagon on town, comprised of three players. One of those three players is currently getting wagoned by the people that drove the lynch on SSK yesterday. Another player on that wagon is someone I've been screaming at for being scum the entire game and she is simultaneously wagoning Anatole while talking past everyone else to try to test the waters on a wagon on me. ANYTHING to stop her buddy Csareo from getting lynched.