Mini Normal 2012: Tropical Mafia [Endgame]

[bacy]

no wagons yet? smh

VOTE: Invisibility

[bacy]

why are you defending a post from Garuga that he himself admitted was bad?

That's precisely why.

So ur saying 18 itself could be considered scummy but the post he made defending it 3 posts later is what makes it good?

That doesnt seem like what ur arguing at all in these posts:

Spoiler:

dumb vote and that question was really bad

I disagree. What's "dumb" about the vote? And why is the question "really bad"?

My issue with 18 is he said he found the omgus suspicious but didn’t vote it.

Why's that scummy?

Cause you don’t rvs vote over something suspicious

Why would scum do this?

VOTE: Shoshin

i dont like this vote tbh nor the reason, seems like you're twisting words

[bacy]

Neither did Fitz - why did you choose Invisibility out of the two?

The wagon on Invisibility seems more viable at the moment.

If I had to guess, I'd say the three votes on Garuga's 18 were town. But those are very weak reads.

I disagree. I think there was some malicious intent in the wagon against me.

My current pet theory on this game is that havingfitz was scum, my vote on him made Scumsibility worried and he wants to discredit me, and Sho is scum playing a different angle. These are very premature reads though.

i feel like

this

kinda stuff are very hard to fake as scum

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Garuga, is your vote in 18 an rvs vote? And if so, why did you change it?

are you asking why would someone change an rvs vote?
this is a weird ques, and i think garuga answered something along those lines already anyways

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My current pet theory on this game is that havingfitz was scum, my vote on him made Scumsibility worried and he wants to discredit me, and Sho is scum playing a different angle. These are very premature reads though.

i feel like

this

kinda stuff are very hard to fake as scum

What in

"this"

is hard for scum to fake?

this way of thinking and just expressing it without anyone asking/pressuring you to

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I am gonna UNVOTE:

I feel like Shirt on is trying to trap and it is failing. Either that or hoping the newb is an easy target for lynching as scum. Tough call. Will wait as the day drags on.

If you suspect Shoshin, why aren't you voting her? After all, we just had a discussion about this topic.

Agree with this. Like why unvote in the same post?

I unvoted because I wished to remove my initial joke vote since the game has taken a turn for the serious. Now like I said, I did not vote Shoshin yet because I am not solid on believing he is scum.

but it's the best scumread you've got so far im guessing, right? i really don't see why you wouldn't wanna vote here unless there's some shady business going on

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@ bacy...but Garuga was under pressure for his post 18. He would stand to benefit as scum (or town) to explain himself. Why would he double down on me being scum...and also call out his defender (Shosin) as scum...but instead vote someone he has not given any reason for voting because their wagon looked more promising? How is any of that coming from town?

my point was, no one pressured him to give that kind of a detailed read. which means he was genuinely thinking about it. that kinda read doesnt generally come from scum naturally
he did give a reason for voting invisibility though. those three cases you mentioned all seem like a legit reason for him to voting for one of them, he chose this one since he thought it woud be more promising, seems totally fine, after all it is only the start of the day anyways. besides its not like there's one scum in the game

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I think it's natural to assume that JJD is a townread for invisibility if he says that invisibility/shosin is not SvS and immediately votes shosin. why is there a talk about a slip..?

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might aswell do this VOTE: Rampage

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I think it's natural to assume that JJD is a townread for invisibility if he says that JJD/shosin is not SvS and immediately votes shosin. why is there a talk about a slip..?

i meant JJD/shoshin

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@Shoshin,

Who’s more town out of textcat, Jodaxq and Bacy?

what are you hoping to get out of this question?

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shoshin did provide reads though, three town reads. i don't know how sorting them helps him catch scum at this stage of the game, it mostly benefits scum
isn't a question like why is x town, why is y town....much more beneficial for town at this point than just sorting somebody's reads?

p-edit... yep. pretty much

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shoshin did provide reads though, three town reads. i don't know how sorting them helps him catch scum at this stage of the game, it mostly benefits scum
isn't a question like why is x town, why is y town....much more beneficial for town at this point than just sorting somebody's reads?

p-edit... yep. pretty much

The question is about Shoshin not about scum, unless of course Shoshin is scum.

can you explain this because i don't know what you mean?
that post was an answer to gustavo's 282

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oh. (helps him catch scum..?) meaning if either they are scum or not i meant

[bacy]

Insight

What kind of insight? How would my answer affect your reads?

Because your answer helps me sort you. The question is about me sorting you without using my vote.

sort how? example1 she says joda is more towny, example2 she says i'm more towny. what would change, how would a certain answer help you sort her?

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Garuga should not have claimed. Even though I was pushing his wagon it wasn't getting a lot of support so I was leaving it as well. Don't get his early (L-4?) claim.

Still like my vote from eod yesterday.

VOTE: Shoshin

v/LA till Tuesday morning

for holiday weekend in US.

why do you feel the need to justify your vote/unvote on garuga?

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im kinda feeling shoshin as town tbh, will post more thoughts in the morning though

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@BBT how do you feel about Shoshin trying to get me on the wagon?

this one pings me just a little bit, but you've had some hella weird questions and posts throughout this game so far. i have a hard time imagining where you're coming from with those

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im kinda feeling shoshin as town tbh, will post more thoughts in the morning though

I would like to hear this.

the fact the she didn't wanna explain her thoughts/reads as to not influence others, that was the big thing that struck me as towny. i don't think scum would have that kinda mindset. in fact generally i feel like they'd want exactly that. and it is important to mention that this is at start of the day

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your reasoning on the scumbuddy/knowing im town thing is bad. especially when you're telling me to join the wagon. also you're being contradictory by calling me scum and then telling me to join the wagon

What's bad about my reasoning? If you're town, don't you find it odd that Mumble keeps defending you while refusing to townread you? The point is that his behavior betrays an informed perspective about your alignment, regardless of whether you're town or scum.

There's nothing contradictory about asking you to join a wagon on Mumble - it's in the town's interest for people to vote scum, regardless of whether the voters are scum/town, plus it's an opportunity for you to show me how you think about the game. It's a reaction test with a pro-town objective. So far, you haven't given me any reason to townread you but I'm constantly reevaluating and if you're town I'd very much appreciate you making that as clear as possible to me.

Okay this is a good post and I like this explanation.

i like this. you mention things that bother you, you mention things that you like..all for the same person. gives me a feeling you're not forcing reads

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But Mumble feels attacked? And then votes Garuga? I'm having trouble picturing a townie interpret 311 as an attack.

Then read 314 to see I thought the post was directed at me, not Invis, and then stop trying to shade me for made up reasons.

tbh the ''newbscum trying to discredit me'' part, when i first read it, i thought it was directed to mumble aswell. so i think it was totally valid for mumble to interpret it like that

It's nice to say Mumble's interpretation was "reasonable" in hindsight, but I'm curious if anyone actually interpreted 311 the same way as Mumble.

so yep

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i'll have to really really reread this at some point in time
but that's what i got for now

i like havo
i like mumble's recent posts. the tone feels towny
i don't like shoshin's push on mumble, i felt like she was more concerned with losing the argument than anything else really

i really dislike invisibility's posts, i feel like the questions he has asked so far were just for the sake of asking something..
VOTE: invisibility

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it's not if the questions are productive and lead to somehwere. i dont see the sumhunting intent behind your questions

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it's not if the questions are productive and lead to somehwere. i dont see the sumhunting intent behind your questions

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i like havo

This is a strange read, especially at this point in the game. Can you explain?

i liked his posts before BBT claimed, i like his thought process in those three posts you quoted aswell actually



welp, shoshin should def be the lynch today, dont think we can afford lynching anywhere else

i got the fruit if anyone happens to care

mumble looks pretty good if shoshin flips scum i feel like

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I've just ISO'd TheRampage and it's leading me to believe both Shoshin and Mumble are more likely scum still.

From Garuga's ISO fitz is emerging as a likely suspect too, but not likely with Gustavo, so for now it's Shoshin+Mumble+Gustavo/fitz

you think it's likely there's a shosin/mumble and shoshin/gustavo scum team given their idk arguments thingy? i'd say one could possibly be distancing, both i dont think so

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bacy, what did you like about Havo's posts? What do you like about his thought process? How is any of it indicative of town?

its that kinda thought process that is very likely to come from town i think, solvy type of thing, it mirrors my own thoughts, can see myself agreeing with him etc...

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UNVOTE: Havo

I don't fucking know what's going on in this game. Why would BBT give a fruit to bacy?

asked myself the same thing, though it makes sense since he said he was giving it to his town reads. from what i remember i think he was townreading me...but yeah, you guys do you..no way that this can be confirmed so

[bacy]

I'm worried that bacy/Havo are scum.

sure you are

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Actualllyyyy yeah, I might have to rethink havo after a flip

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Well, I'm town. So... you might want to start reevaluating.

If this is really true then scum has a roleblocker and bacy is probably lying. And it makes dredd look even worse then he already does.

i'm definitely not, just wanna let that sink in before tomorrow if shosh actually flips town....
and if that's the case, you really think scum would rb and kill the same person?

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Why would scum let BBT give fruit to someone else?

my best guess is, because it can't be confirmed anyways?
i don't see anything else here honestly, all I know is that I got the damn fruit lol

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Is it time for a mass claim?

probably, tho i think it can wait for a few days eh?

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i think we should be lynching in havingfitz/havo/judge today

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I think town is screwed.
We're in MYLO btw.
I would suggest town not be hasty in their votes. One tvt vote could win it for scum.

texcat...you're the only player on all three mislynches. Thoughts?

interesting that you're using 'town is screwed' instead of 'we're screwed'
minor but noted

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i think we should be lynching in havingfitz/havo/judge today

So I assume you're town reading Texcat?

and the ones not on that list?

poe more than anything really. she's likely the next scum if one of those three arent

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Not sure about fitz here, but I agree on the former 2

why are you not sure about fitz? are you townreading him?

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if someone has any info they should definitely come out with it but otherwise meh doesn't help us much now that I think about it really

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I think dredd's claim is believable enough at this point. Also if texcat was town I'd expect much more resistance from her..

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Oh, God! Looks like we lost already.

God help you, Mumble. You'll need much more than just luck to nail the other 2 scums.

nothing really that significant has happened between your claim and that post here, what made you say

that?

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Dredd is lying.

posts like that dont convince me one bit tho :/

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What would convince you tho? It's a pretty good claim. I'd probably believe it if I didn't know he was lying.

You might wonder why Dredd seemed to be against a mass claim in 1169 and 1172 and then seemed to change his mind.

i'd just expect your reaction to be different. if i was wrongly accused i'd be hella defensive probably, that's not necessarily what everyone would do but i'd expect at least a little bit of defensivness in a resisting kind of way, and you looking for certain kind of connections, possibilities why would judge falsly claim or possibly who his partners are..is he protecting mumble..is he pocketing mumbe... is someone from his team very likely to get lynched etc...that kinda connections

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With Dredd claiming, I want to do a full massclaim before decided where to vote. I would prefer to go last with Dredd deciding who goes first, but if someone wants to argue against that, I'm up for that discussion.

yeah, im up for a massclaim

I think it's a good idea. I would argue that Bacy, as our closest to confirmed town, should decide on the order.

tho idk if i wanna have that kind of responsibility lol

id say texcat/mumble go first since they are both connected with judge's claim
any thoughts on that?

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1212

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He's obviously false claiming because it's LYLO. He thinks he can win with my lynch. Town won't have a chance to avenge my death and lynch the fake claim tomorrow. I did have hopes for a while that he was town and fake claiming as some sort of reaction test, but that doesn't look possible now.

i wouldnt think town would fake claim in a MYLO
if you had hopes for that though, why did you vote him right away in the next post?

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I'm opposed to being at the front of the claims list.

why do you prefer that judge decides who goes first?

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I lean towards believing Dredd's claim.
Consider my vote on texcat.

@Havo...why did Mumble go from a scum lean (1158) and a can't read (1161) to probably town (1184)?

@Mumble....why are you town reading Bacy?

what are your reads as of right now?

[bacy]

im vt, given how many people have claimed already, judge is probably indeed legit

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i kind of just couldn't get into the game at the beginning gg scum!