Gerrymandering Shadow Government Democracy Mafia Endgame

[Not Known 15]

And...

Stop.

This whole voting system is manipulative, and slanted in the favour of mafia. The strength of the town is coordination.

These are the(town imposed) rules we should play with:

1.We publicly decide on a candidate to be voted upon all by majority vote.

(remember we don't need to vote for someone who actually is in campaign mode)
2.No one diverts from the candidate appointed by majority vote. Doing so is a claim that your vote(in your district) came from scum.
3.No one votes twice. Voting twice is a claim that these excess votes came from scum.
4.After the candidate is selected, we all discuss who shall be lynched. We will again decide by majority - unless the candidate is confirmed town.
5.If the president mislynches someone who was not selected they are scum.
6.Scum due to 1-5 and 7-8 must be lynched first. Only exceptions are guilty results.
7.An unconfirmed President who declines to lynch scum is scum.
8.False roleclaims and fake results come only from scum.

[Not Known 15]

Hey.
I said

STOP.

And I mean stop.
Stop every single conversation you are in.

In your next post you must acknowledge and accept the rules I have laid out.
As soon as everyone has checked in and acknowledged the rules I have imposed on this game we will continue.
Yes, scumhunting and conversation are very important. But establishing this much more townsided voting system is

absolutely necessary

if we want to have an acceptable chance to win.

[Not Known 15]

Announce Candidacy

:
Creating

Better Voting Party

These are the principles of the Better Voting Party:

1.We publicly decide on a candidate to be voted upon all by majority vote.(remember we don't need to vote for someone who actually is in campaign mode)
2.No one diverts from the candidate appointed by majority vote. Doing so is a claim that your vote(in your district) came from scum.
3.No one votes twice. Voting twice is a claim that these excess votes came from scum.
4.After the candidate is selected, we all discuss who shall be lynched. We will again decide by majority - unless the candidate is confirmed town.
5.If the president mislynches someone who was not selected they are scum.
6.Scum due to 1-5 and 7-8 must be lynched first. Only exceptions are guilty results.
7.An unconfirmed President who declines to lynch scum is scum.
8.False roleclaims and fake results come only from scum.

Join now!

[Not Known 15]

Now my attempt to strongarm some rules through has not succeeded yet.
However, I think we should, as minimum, impose the rule

Electoral fraud is a scum claim

.
Allowing electoral fraud to take place is strictly anti-town.

First of all, @everyone please provide a list of everyone on this player list and specify if {You've never played with them before | You've played with them once | You've played with them multiple times | You've hosted a game they were in}

1. FIGHTING DREAMERS (the worst / SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis hydra) Head 1 once. Head 2 never.
2. NicoRobin Multiple games.
3. Firebringer Never.
4. Iconeum Never.
5. Hebichan Never.
6. ArcAngel9 Never.
7. Edosurist Never.
8. Myloninja13 Never.
9. 123456789 Never.
10. Wraith Never.
11. Blind Bandits (Nosferatu / Purrcocet hydra) Never.
12. Aronis Never.
13. Ruby Red Never.
14. Tazaro Never.
16. Ausuka Never.
17. Whemestar Never.
18. Invisibility Never.
19. mutantdevle once.

[Not Known 15]

Ohh cool I am 3rd party

This would be my favourite for a day 1 lynch, currently.
1.Claims 3rd party.
2.Not much substantive posting.

[Not Known 15]

Well, I am still here, but the only interesting thing I noticed that it is suspicious that the request for previous games played was rejected without reasoning. I would like to see that reasoning.
Everything else doesn't look AI.

[Not Known 15]

If ircher keeps posting the way he has, I might have an anureysm

I see nothing wrong with these posts from 123456789. What do you see?

[Not Known 15]

If ircher keeps posting the way he has, I might have an anureysm

I see nothing wrong with these posts from 123456789. What do you see?

Who r u

Myself.

[Not Known 15]

Srsly scum in {Wraith, Birefringer} but that was a cute moment

That is a grand statement. Can you back it up?

[Not Known 15]

Oh lol. My ability only works once per day

Wait.

What?

Which ability?
This seems like a

misplaced statement intended for a PT.

Explain yourself!

[Not Known 15]

Oh lol. My ability only works once per day

Wait.

What?

Which ability?
This seems like a

misplaced statement intended for a PT.

Explain yourself!

His ability to rename districts
This has already been explained

Nevermind. I forgot it then somehow skipped that post in their ISO.

[Not Known 15]

If you had to pick a party that wasn't mine, I'd suggest Ruby's.

Please don't forget that you can vote for anyone. Not just announced candidates. And...
there are not just three parties either.

[Not Known 15]

You should vote for me. I will ensure maximum partipiciants for all decisions and will ask everyone to give their - reasoned thoughts on lynch candidates. I will not quickhammer. I actually have given you these assurances so you can be sure that I will not do something like that. For the others... you don't have those assurances.

[Not Known 15]

Vote for me. It is the best option.

[Not Known 15]

Its literally not and you’ve explained it in your own posts why it’s not

Definitely wrong. I will force everyone to state their scumreads and to name a lynch candidate. This assures maximum accountability. The others will decide in the party(which means we are losing info for those outside) or decide unilaterally(maximum loss of info). These methods are far inferior to mine.

[Not Known 15]

I am very disappointed in how this election turned out, town coordination wise.
Yes I voted for myself(who else, without coordination possible?). Without coordination the president election is a mess.
I told you all we should coordinate votes before, and now THIS happened.
Please do not make this failure again. Let's publicly decide on the president before election day.

At least we have a scumclaim with the 120% voting turnout.
HURT: 123456789
Kill this please, president.

[Not Known 15]

I think Edosurist should die. They most likely lied about not voting; and probably double-voted.

[Not Known 15]

This president is taking a ridiculously long time. What a loser. I could do so much better

Why would a fast lynch be better for town, Aronis?

[Not Known 15]

This president is taking a ridiculously long time. What a loser. I could do so much better

Why would a fast lynch be better for town, Aronis?

The longer you let scum live, the longer they have a chance to persuade you not to kill them. Its rlly simple

And this does not apply to town(that they have more chances to persuade you not to kill them)?

[Not Known 15]

The Better Voting Party will, if you vote for it, lynch hebichan, who is confirmed scum according to our rules.
Mutant... You are assuming that only mafia has the power to hold people accountable for voter fraud.
The rules do not say that.

[Not Known 15]

Also the mafia killed the slot with 4 posts.

Or they tried to kill the worst and the bodyguard did their job.

The mod was probably pissed with that choice considering they delayed the game to find that replacement

Nooooo hebichan is like confirmed town now. Not scum

Do I need to say it again?

Nowhere in the rules you will find... something that says that ONLY mafia have the power to punish electoral fraud.

[Not Known 15]

At no point have I declared death upon Hebichan here.

That am I aware of.
It was a general statement -

I

have declared death upon Hebichan.

[Not Known 15]

They would have done it for this exact situation we are in. The WIFOM of does this mean Hebichan is scum or Hebichan is town?

Well, this reasoning assumes, again, that it was Mafia who shamed Hebichan. Yes, mafia is able to punish electoral fraud. But that what you say relies on the assumption that no one else is able to punish electoral fraud.

[Not Known 15]

Announce Candidacy: Bull Moose Party

I'm running on
A. Not killing hebichan or the worst
B. An efficient government (we'll decide a lynch in 72 hours or less)
C. Killing Mafia

well that is directly in competition with my goal today(to lynch hebichan)
and your reluctance to lynch hebichan is troubling.

[Not Known 15]

Nk15 for president

Also this means Tazaro likely voted twice too? Although I suppose there is a small possibility that edos lied about not going but I think his green flip makes this unlikely

What about Ruby Red?

[Not Known 15]

Nk15 for president

Also this means Tazaro likely voted twice too? Although I suppose there is a small possibility that edos lied about not going but I think his green flip makes this unlikely

What about Ruby Red?

Ruby red was in two districts and the other district didn’t have any double votes so I don’t think it was her

Voting aside, her alt personality is making it hard for me to get a solid read on her

The other district had 3 voters...
doublevoting there would have been likely spotted accurately.
This reason is bad.

[Not Known 15]

Although I still think it’s unlikely she double voted. Why would she run for president on page 1 of the game but not want to win

Risk.
Doublevoting in a 3 person district is much more dangerous than doing the same in a 5 person district.

[Not Known 15]

@Hebichan, why didn't you confess to your double vote yesterday?

I was making a gambit.

I wanted to see the reactions of the rest of my district when I double-voted, and after there was a second double vote in my district I felt like I had to keep it up to weed out the other double voter. I was honestly planning on admitting to it until Edo claimed to not vote. Knowing the math still didn't add up made me think Edo was lying, and I didn't want to out my gambit and take attention off that slot and onto me.

I'm still really confused honestly, I thought our district and the overall presidential vote would go to Ruby, so I split my vote between FD and Ruby to get some reads.

But Edo flipping town really confuses me, since that means someone else still double voted in our district, or Edo was lying.

Bullshit:

Hebichan is possibly scum too yeah
Can anyone read her?

Feel free to lynch me, I just want someone in our district lynched.

Preferably not me or ruby, but if it helps catch the doublevoters sooner, go for it.

.... if it helps catch the doublevoters... you KNEW that edos wasn't doublevoting!!!

I'm talking to skitter, not you.

But I mean, its pretty obvious why edos is the popular subject and unless you're willfully ignoring it, I'm not sure why you're objecting..

cause if edos isn't scum, the obvious candidates, in my eyes, would be you or mylo

p-edit: How does taz's mindstate make any sense here, unless he made the double vote himself?

when edos is popular and you hold the counterargument...

It's also possible town doublevoted, even knowing they'd be scumread for it.

If they did that then they deserve the lynch that's coming for them.

Not gonna argue with that.

YEAH.

And...

I'm not sure what scum putting you all together or all apart really matters for your party though.

You only have three members, even if you won a single district, the numbers are still favorable for SNKP.


Plus the worst was split on voting me or edo yesterday, why would scum risk someone who, in your mind, was set on lynching scum yesterday and listened to town instead?

probably because they

tried to kill the party leader

and were stopped by a bodyguard - they probably drew the districts with a

dead

the worst in mind.

[Not Known 15]

Scum doublevoters are incredibly rare, they're a bit OP. In this setup it's true x10. The doublevoter has to be town.

are you saying that scum mechanically can't doublevote or that scum wouldn't doublevote?

Oh yeah missed that setup misunderstanding... EVERYONE can doublevote.

[Not Known 15]

/join mutante party

[Not Known 15]

Well, I am not strictly against keeping claimed third parties alive if they have been protown, their claim passes scrunity and are not antitown...
something that does not fit to hebichan.

hebichan acted antitown.

Had they claimed yesterday and prevented the lynch to gain trust I maybe had said ok...
here? Lynch.

[Not Known 15]

Well, I am not strictly against keeping claimed third parties alive if they have been protown, their claim passes scrunity and are not antitown...
something that does not fit to hebichan.

hebichan acted antitown.

Had they claimed yesterday and prevented the lynch to gain trust I maybe had said ok...
here? Lynch.

What do you think we gain from lynching third party?

Our job is to lynch mafia.

What we gain? We gain one less spot that can ditch us if it gets close. This happens virtually everytime with third parties that arent nearly town, which this one clearly is NOT. A third party claim is CONFIRMED to not be aligned with the town. It is not confirmed to be third party.
A third party claim can be fake.

[Not Known 15]

The selection is obvious.. we ALL vote mutant, no exceptions.
Yes NO exceptions. Everything else helps scum.
They delivered a sound promise; and I joined them because they keep the second most important of the rules I proposed.. If they break it they are scum and get lynched tomorrow.

[Not Known 15]

One of my party policies is how everyone should have freedom and options. That includes the freedom of choosing who you want to be president.

I am endorsing a variant of that. And we REALLY should use that variant starting from next day.
The variant where everyone publicly states and discusses who to elect at the campaign stage... and, given a majority of support at the campaign stage... everyone will elect the one who got the majority support at the election stage. Kind of a normal public vote... and we eliminate any possible voter fraud problems. This also should spice up the campaign stage and generate activity, which is lacking.

[Not Known 15]

Yeah, but like yesterday’s lunch was the most democratic lynch ever, and it flipped town.

That's because two people lied.

[Not Known 15]

First: The post thing is not possible- I already changed parties today...
As to why I disappeared - it should be more obvious. Nobody was willing to have an open election, with a fixed candidated then on voting day.
Due to the voting system, we have a mandatory waiting time; in other systems we would long have had lynched hebichan or tazaro for their lies, or at least brought them to L-1. Something which is not possible here.
Since I hate to repeat my words endlessly I haven't spoken much.
And yes, one of hebichan and tazaro needs to die. Preferably both.
Hebichan will lose us one vote if they leave... AND their abilities have no other downside to us. They are simply a hindrance.
tazaro lied, and they were not exposed by the Mafia.

[Not Known 15]

HURT: Tazaro
I don't know the adverse effects from Protest...
and Tazaro lied about their vote, too.
If I were more confident that wheme isn't fakeclaiming as town I'd select them...

[Not Known 15]

I have nothing new to say.

[Not Known 15]

So you are now effectively a vanilla townie? Hence not much of a loss even if town.

More importantly, we can only falsify or verify this very interesting piece of information if we lynch them. And because this could also easily be an attempt to throw shade on TW(who would now be not an universal town read anymore, and will not if this is correct) and I do not really believe this, and because of the doublevote...
No objection to a lynch of tazaro.

[Not Known 15]

My count of wheme hurts was five.
But anyway, if this is what needs to be done then O.K, look; I received an ability to murder someone in this game of my choosing. On Night 1, I chose the worst as the person to kill because things all went very wrong and he in the end even excused himself for doing the Edosurist lynch, but the bodyguard that targeted him died instead. This meant that the worst survived because I killed his bodyguard instead. BUT i KNOW (from my role info) that he still could have died if he was also targetted by mafia.
So now what becomes of things?

HURT: Tazaro
Yeah. So YOU tried to kill the worst because things went all very wrong...
despite you knowing that it was on YOU that things went very wrong because you

refused to claim a double vote

They had to die for info. Because YOU lied.
And mafia chose to kill an extreme lurker Night 1?

Your claim makes little sense.
I have no problem with lynching you. At all.
You are more likely to be Mafia than everyone else.
For the unlikely occasion that you are actually town, we have gained valuable information and lost a townie that played antitown like crazy.

[Not Known 15]

GOT TO GO SCUMMY BEYOND REASON
Invisibility

Why?

[Not Known 15]

So I'm going to go with the new guy that's been consistently active and was one of the few people expressing distaste with yesterday's bad lynch.

Why was yesterday's lynch bad?

[Not Known 15]

Okay, I'm getting ready to take the worst out of my town pile for antitown behavior.

the worst is confirmed town.

[Not Known 15]

Also yes I have an inno on tw so we can stop talking about if he's somehow fake cleared or not

Ausuka is dead, and confirmed town.

[Not Known 15]

123456789

skitter

Why is 123456789 town...?
Why is skitter town?

[Not Known 15]

the worst - town
Oath - Mafia
ofrhz - Null
Hebichan - confirmed not town, probably an enemy
skitter30 - Null
Myloninja13 - Null
123456789 - Null
Wraith - Null
Blind Bandits - slightly scummy
Aronis - scummy
Ruby Red - Null
Whemestar - claims third party. Confusing.
Invisibility - Null.
mutantdevle - townlean

As you can see I haven't got good reads right now.

[Not Known 15]

It was bad because Tazaro was town, and it should’ve been fairly obvious such was the case. Again, like I said D1, they weren’t likely scum cuz their actions basically asked for a lynch.

It was good, because we got rid of a dangerous vig that would have probably shot active, helpful town - they might have been town, but they were playing anti-town - their behaviour was the reason for the Day 1 mislynch, after all... and their vig shot was just shit as well(the worst, seriously...).

[Not Known 15]

123456789 :O

You walked into this thread and didn't announce who you've role blocked the last 2 nights? I'm especially intrigued about your day 1 target since they are probably scum.

There was an obvious scum kill Night 2.
There is not alot of value in revealing the Night 2 target.

[Not Known 15]

I will vote the worst.
I do not trust anyone else sufficiently and if we elect a scum president the chance of a scum lynch is zero.
The Day 1 lynch had a reason, and that was not that the worst was bad, it was the liars who have to take responsibility for that lynch.
Their reads aren't perfect, that's sure but who is?
Oath has a high probability to be scum in my eyes, and I am not scum. The other reads are reasonable, and even if they are not really all my reads... my reads might be wrong, after all.
The only troubling read for me right now is Aronis, but it could be that this is on my side.
The alternatives aren't better.... and none of them is confirmed town.
I'd prefer myself, obviously, but that has no chance.

[Not Known 15]

why is wheme a TERRIBLE lynch

Yeah exactly.
The worst doesnt want to kill hebi right now anyways...
Mutant.
Your refusal entirely hangs on wheme now, and you better give us reasons for why they are a terrible lynch right now, and I mean PROVABLE reasons.
With quotes. Not some gutread shit which isn't valid in this case(because the worst is conftown).

[Not Known 15]

Oath is guilty

- Anonymous PR

We will elect the worst.
the worst lynches Oath.
I am sure that no one can disagree with that... right?

[Not Known 15]

Coming from a town pov town is getting rekt right now

Do you lynch in third party claims

Or do you actually scumhunt and try to kill scum

third party claims are not exempt from scumhunting.

[Not Known 15]

Oath is guilty

- Anonymous PR

Why is everyone ignoring this....

[Not Known 15]

Cause it’s Anonymous

I have info that makes Oath the lynch and everyone in my party PT knows... that message came from Mutant.
Might as well reveal this...

[Not Known 15]

Joining mutant's party is a scumclaim right now. Do not join the party.

[Not Known 15]

The reason why people didnt take this guilty seriously was that it was anonymous.
That's why I made it public.
And by the way... YOU just made public that not all of the guilty info came from me...

/leave mutante party

/found Lynch Oath? party

Party foundation:
1. Oath is potentially guilty.
2. The guilty might be fake.
3. To establish who we lynch today we need Oath to fullclaim.



...
which means...

Oath. FULL claim. Right now.

[Not Known 15]

Voting anyone but me is a scumclaim btw but I'll take it

So. You as confirmed town say that we all must vote for you?
I agree.

[Not Known 15]

In his defense, there's probably a scum in most parties rn. They may have already known

This.
IF I would be scum
scum would already know everything from the party PT.
Well, at least that what was written there.

[Not Known 15]

So we...
wait for the voting stage
vote the worst
the worst lynches oath
Day ends.
This is the plan.
Right?

[Not Known 15]

I don't know why.
Prod-dodge: Nothing new to say.

[Not Known 15]

nothing new to say, yet.

[Not Known 15]

I claim Town Roleblocker

Good morning the worst.
Please wake up.

[Not Known 15]

why not just agree on a lynch and elect whoever promises to follow through on it

Good idea.
Got a guilty result on Aronis.
We elect me...

I lynch Aronis.

One less scum.

[Not Known 15]

because the last guilty worked out

The last guilty was not a hard guilty.

Yes I am serious.
I looked into the alignment of Aronis and it wasn't town.
If you want I can claim...
I am a retired Detective.
Due to my retirement, I will only go active after 3 mislynches(which happened yesterday).
Then I will be able to discern if my target is aligned with the town.
Before I resume my activities I will look like an ordinary voter(which probably means Vanilla).
Unlike a normal cop, I will not be fooled by millers and Godfathers.
But due to my old age I will only be able to act every other night.

[Not Known 15]

because the last guilty worked out

The last guilty was not a hard guilty.

Yes I am serious.
I looked into the alignment of Aronis and it wasn't town.
If you want I can claim...
I am a retired Detective.
Due to my retirement, I will only go active after 3 mislynches(which happened yesterday).
Then I will be able to discern if my target is aligned with the town.
Before I resume my activities I will look like an ordinary voter(which probably means Vanilla).
Unlike a normal cop, I will not be fooled by millers and Godfathers.
But due to my old age I will only be able to act every other night.

Is your result on Aronis mafia or just “not town?”

The result is "not town"

[Not Known 15]

Yeah. The guilty is fake.... and so is my claim.
my belief that Aronis is mafia is not fake, though.
I recently reread their ISO and they are very red to me.
Here are the points that put Aronis in my suspicion:

Their very opening post is very verbose. And they tell us that they'd only not run for prez because there were too many alternatives already.
Their ISO then continues with fluff like pagetops and references on pagetops as well a very suspicious post.
299.
They admit that they can't read properly.
They even continue with this the next posts in their ISO.
The key question of course is... why would someone who disvalues their reads this much want to be president, with a campaign for quick votekill?
401.
Buddying.
579[post];581[/post]:

[quote="In
There's a reason I'm not running for president OKAY? I realize I'm not popular

I'd release my plan to be efficient, but I think the ship sailed on me being president. I might try again tomorrow

This looks strange, constructed. First Aronis says that they are not running for president, and then they say the ship sailed. If it were the other way around, it would not raise my eyebrows. The timeline doesn't look alright here.
585. Why does Aronis care so much about being townread, and nothing else?
817 Disruptive.
962. Aronis is only caring about themselves... again.
...966 then they assert that they are obvious town, really?
1907 looks like blatant signaling. Really, what is this? Come on.

Mylo- can we be friends please?

Mylo- can we be friends please?

Yep!

Okay please don't lynch me or wheme or do anything that would put us in danger, tia

No problem! You up for a orh/BB/Invis lynch?

if wheme is president, yes

This is never T+T.

Then came their strange insistence on "the worst isnt conftown".

so lost rn

Don't vote the worst, he's going to kill you. I'd vote for Wheme or mutant instead

Another case of signaling?

and blind bandits are still probably scum

...especially in the light of this.

TL;DR:
Their contributions point towards them being a disruptively playing signaling Mafia when Mafia have daytalk...
signaling to Blind Bandits and MYLO, who are under suspicion...
or, to put it in other words, a

Traitor

.

[Not Known 15]

Also, am I the only one that doesn't feel like we've made much progress in finding scum?

Maybe it's because I'm used to smaller games hence meaning day 4 with no scum lynched is a crisis point, but I'm really starting to worry that we're not getting anywhere.

That's usually a sign that the town's reads are not accurate.

Not Known I think you either need to majorly reevaluate your reads or change the way you form them because I think they've been bad all game.

The Day 1 lynch was because of a doublevote.
The Day 2 lynch was because of a doublevote and strange behaviour.
The Day 3 lynch was because of a guilty that wasn't true.
I supported all three, and it went badly.
Does my case against aronis look anything like those?
I

have

reevaluated my reads.
And aronis being Mafia is the result of reevaluation.

[Not Known 15]

Well reevaluate them again.

HURT: Mutantdevle
I have laid my case before you. And instead of addressing my reasoning about aronis being scum... all laid down in post 2352
you unilaterally dismiss my case.

[Not Known 15]

I've just confused myself here. I was considering Invisibility to be a lurker but then I checked and saw that he had 111 posts, that's more than most people who I don't consider to be lurkers.

But their posts are all one-liners.
That's probably the reason.
I'll check them right now, in greater detail.

[Not Known 15]

Well reevaluate them again.

HURT: Mutantdevle
I have laid my case before you. And instead of addressing my reasoning about aronis being scum... all laid down in post 2352
you unilaterally dismiss my case.

IF YOU ARE TOWN WHAT IS SO FUNNY ABOUT THIS?

[Not Known 15]

You also criticise how he claims his reads are bad yet he wants to run for president? Why do you apply that criticism only to him when I have said and done the same thing except more successfully?

Key difference: You wanted to enforce basically a vote.
Aronis wanted to act on their own.
And that is what bothers me, probably more than everything else said by Aronis.
Your motivation to be president was to try out normal voting, basically, because you didn't trust your reads nor did trust others. That is understandable from a town point of view.
However, Aronis motivation to be president was that they wanted to decide for themselves who was scum, and hopefully catch them, or so they said.
But if Aronis knows themselves and says that they cannot read people properly... how does this fit? Why should someone who thinks that their reads are bad rely on these reads so much that they want to be president and lynch based on their own reads? From a scum point of view, that's perfectly understandable:They want to lynch town; and they don't need to have good scumreads to advance their wincon because they are scum, and know who to lynch.
From a town point of view... I cannot see this conclusion. Can you?

[Not Known 15]

Yes. You forget the simple principle that someone who knows they are town also knows that if they solely decide the lynch then scum would have no influence in it.

Yes. It does make you more suspect if you misfire, however. And a Day 1 and Day 2 lynch that is essentially random doesn't have good chances to hit scum.
But maybe you are right and it could be misguided town. Which fits to Aronis attitude.
I need to reconsider.

[Not Known 15]

I want Wheme to be president because I think he has a good chance of killing mafia and if he does then we can trust him.

what

why are you scumreading me

My want of electing Wheme is irrespective of his desire to kill you.

I'm not scum reading you, I have no read on you. That still puts you in the lynch pool. If Wheme has reason to believe you are scum and decides to lynch you then I'm not going to complain. I wouldn't say Wheme is DEFINITELY going to kill you though. There are a few people that he's stated suspicion of throughout the game and I think my lynch pool and his are fairly similar; hence I have no quarrels with him being president.

Personally, I look at it this way:

- There doesn't seem to be any support for electing me this phase.
- That leaves Ruby Red and Wheme.
- I personally prefer Wheme instead of Ruby Red because Wheme has been vocal about where he plans to lynch whereas Ruby Red has been really quiet for quite a while and stated barely any opinions.

Wheme is predictable of where he is going to lynch. Ruby Red is not.

I distrust Wheme because of that weird 3rd party claim. However, for the exact same reasons mutant gave us I will neither vote Ruby -
which means I'll vote myself.

[Not Known 15]

just so y'all know

we're never breaking a tie in favour of wheme

what about a wheme not known tie

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tfw one candidate wants to lynch me and the only other viable candidate might be scum

who would you lynch NK15?

I think I wouldn't lynch right away. Rather, I would apply pressure first(and no that wouldn't be an empty threat).
Ruby Red , Mutant , Invisibility , Psyche , 123456789 and ofrhz(you) are the list where I would apply pressure, however, not necessarily in this order.

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Ruby Red , Mutant , Invisibility , Psyche , 123456789 and ofrhz(you) are the list where I would apply pressure, however, not necessarily in this order.

My lynchpool is Ruby Red, Mutant, Invisibility, Psyche, 123456789, and ofrhz. I will pressure my scumreads... wrong answers and they are dead. No answers and they are dead.

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Hm. Maybe Wheme AND Ruby are scum?
These voter turnouts are way too low
Everyone, who didn't vote(except hebichan):
Why did you forget to vote? You could have postal voted...
Every non-vote by town is a vote for scum!

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Hm. Maybe Wheme AND Ruby are scum?
These voter turnouts are way too low
Everyone, who didn't vote(except hebichan):
Why did you forget to vote? You could have postal voted...
Every non-vote by town is a vote for scum!

Did you double vote

Yes, because of Hebichan.

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HURT: Ruby Red I have seen only one reason for them to be town so far: Their role. That's not sufficient. They are not an IC. And they recieve comfortable voting setups...
Invisibility, why did you not vote? There's postal votes for more reasons than just doublevoting...
VOTE: hebichan Zero risk of hitting town.

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-______- I don’t get why

because there is still a chance that their win ends the game, even if their claim is true.

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Which shouldn't be a concern when my win condition is fairly simple to achieve, without scum interference at least.

And there is nothing bad that happens when you win, other than you leaving?
You lied to us once about what happens with your abilities when you said that protest would prevent us from lynching you; when it instead delayed the lynch and would have given the president problems after lynch...
why should we trust your claim, that you are indeed a neutral that doesn't harm town by more than existing?

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I somehow have a bad feeling that scum is in the townreads and town in the scumreads of the town.
And my real claim is Vanilla Townie.

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I still do not trust Hebichan, but whatever.
I haven't seen scum doing anything wrong and this voting system is insanely scumsided. I do not scumread BB for trying(and succeeding to) to get the presidency. I do not want to see Invisibility lynched right now, but rather Ankamius(Ok, Hebichan.... but I realize that this doesn't have a chance.), but Invisibility is ok, because their name fits their presence the first three days, and that points to scum more often than not.

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@NK15 was your double vote outted by scum checking you for fraud or did you get caught by town adding it all up?

Neither. I outed it myself to prevent a situation like the one at Day 1.

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Lynch orfhz and if that somehow flips town I’ll sheep whoever rest of game

What do you think of them going to the lengths of citing meta to defend vizzy?

Oh yeah that is totally out of character.
HURT: orfhz
HURT: Invisibility

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I mean, they defended you too. Just they did it entirely with words.

Yeah but they were not entirely relying on meta there.

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Especially not BAD meta.

A recent invis game where he was lynched as scum. The circumstances aren't entirely the same (invis replaced into a scummy slot evidently and quickly got lynched), but he kinda just gave up in that game instead of trying to claw his way out of a lynch. His reaction here doesn't feel the same.

Replacing into a scummy slot and quickly being lynched and having a full game from the beginning... there are worlds between that. The circumstances are

not entirely the same

? They are extremely different. And...
Meta out of one game? That is not reliable at all. That's smelling like a desperate scum -> scum defense more than anything else.

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In the meantime, did anyone answer why Invisibility is on the block? I see the recent stuff but I want to know the before stuff too

Because they weren't on the block before, for no reason? And they have an inflated post count but most of their posts are baseless shading. Also wanted to get skitter president - really?

And I just read this:

does that make it more people that want nk15 lynch than invisbilaity lynch

Does this come from town? I doubt it.

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also she's defending both of you so idk why you're characterizing defending vizzy as being scummy - ie if ofrhz is scum defending her scum buddy vizzy why does she defend you as well and start a new wagon-thing instead of just throwing her support behind you given that the count is 5-4 (or 4-3 i don't remember) rn?

How they are defending invisibility is scummy, not defending in general.
And the new wagon? Possibly for towncred? That wagon was unlikely to move.
Defending me is probably supposed to be distancing in case invisibility flips scum and I flip town. And(or) it is designed to hide the weak defend on Invisibility since they defend both us...

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The hammer is done, I'm cool with this.

Well, it's a mislynch...

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having the entire town believe my stupid ass anarchist fakeclaim was the best feeling ever.

I didn’t believe it!

You weren't town.

But yeah, neither me nor ausuka believed it.