Witches' Halloween Ball [Game Over]

[Sakura Hana]

so let's hold off on immediately matchmaking

Ok

Kokichi, would you like to dance?

[Sakura Hana]

Also shortaru probably town.

[Sakura Hana]

I am not running interference?

[Sakura Hana]

But im most likely never gonna be obvtown nor in a "unequestionably TvT" pairing so I figured why not.

[Sakura Hana]

you are like the poster child ocf easy to read

Not really?

[Sakura Hana]

I just survived to endgame as scum, that doesnt happen to someone "easy to read"

[Sakura Hana]

We should just ask our townreads to the dance basically right?

Do I assume you TR Karmeleon then? Why?

[Sakura Hana]

Do I assume you TR Karmeleon then? Why?

You're town, mala is probably town, and he's town.

I usually make pretty fast decisions on my reads if people are talking and I can interact with them in real time.

You didnt answer why you TR him, also why do you townread me?

[Sakura Hana]

A scum malakittens wont survive in this playerlist anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Interesting, DVa you seem to be sorting more aggresively this game than in BoR.

[Sakura Hana]

Asking someone to dance who hasn't even posted yet is a questionable decision regardless of whether or not you meet the criteria for some optimal pairing. What about thinking you won't be widely townread leads to the conclusion of immediately asking someone to dance? Even further, I wouldn't take that last game as a real example of anything - from memory, you were pretty widely townread in Minuet's Trio and Forgotten Hourglass.

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I'm leaning Gamma Emerald and Sakura scum for now. It's slightly bothering me that people aren't seeming to take this seriously - even if you don't care about winning, you don't have to sabotage everyone else's chances of winning.

Case in point

[Sakura Hana]

You're gonna have to elaborate what point you're trying to make there.

The point that im not gonna be obvtown nor gonna be some of those supertown TvT pairings.

[Sakura Hana]

Why are you so worried that I asked Kokichi to dance? I had decided that i'd do that since he in'd for this because he's a cool person i like playing with. Besides it's not like he has accepted or rejected yet.

[Sakura Hana]

And so explain to me how that thought (whether it's true or not) leads to the conclusion "I should pair with someone whose alignment I have literally random information regarding"? Assuming you're town, of course.

If he pairs up with me and i scumread him ill just leave the dance. It's not like im forced to live with him all game.

[Sakura Hana]

And so explain to me how that thought (whether it's true or not) leads to the conclusion "I should pair with someone whose alignment I have literally random information regarding"? Assuming you're town, of course.

If he pairs up with me and i scumread him ill just leave the dance. It's not like im forced to live with him all game.

But what if you're wrong?

I don't like suicide bombing, better to leave lynches to groupthink.

Likewise, you run that risk every mafia game no?

[Sakura Hana]

I love how people keep helping me prove my point that i was making to RC.

[Sakura Hana]

Also as far as I remember troll FB is town FB so FB is town.

[Sakura Hana]

I love how people keep helping me prove my point that i was making to RC.

You weren't trying to make a point, you were trying to justify your early proposal to kokichi to him

100% sure that's not exactly how that conversation went, i justified my early vote to kokichi with my point which RC argued against and now you're helping me prove said point.

[Sakura Hana]

*early dance

[Sakura Hana]

Why did you pick Kokichi?

I had decided that i'd do that since he in'd for this because he's a cool person i like playing with.

[Sakura Hana]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p8126782
Might have influenced it.

[Sakura Hana]

I think Maria<->Cakez is a good pairing.

I also think Dunnstral<->LLD is a good pairing.

Because frankly 1) I think all four of those names are town now seeing their posting

and 2) I think all four of those names are entirely unafraid of killing themselves to kill the other if they get the slightest hint of them being scum.

I do want to run it by other people's reads, specifically interested in our confirmed town's perspective on things, but yeah I think those are a few good pairings.

I dont have TRs on any of those 4

[Sakura Hana]

Then you'll be happy to see them pair, yes? or what exactly are you trying to say here?

You said you wanted to run it by other people's reads, so I gave my current status on those.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean I didn’t know how many scum were in game but that’s not a dumbtell lol

Are you implying you also cant read the setup info?

[Sakura Hana]

Her explanation for proposing to you was that she doesn't think she'd be one of the players to fall into one of the T-T dance pairs.

Yes because I have a tendency to get SR when im town.

[Sakura Hana]

Why do games always die when I show up q.q

I'm still around

[Sakura Hana]

Hi yes people

Why does LLD look town?

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura your ISO claiming to be hard to read is literally my thoughts on you every game we play.

I'm aware.
My point is that RC says im always obvtown when im town and im disagreeing, and this game is the perfect example

[Sakura Hana]

Also as far as I remember troll FB is town FB so FB is town.

The fuck is this btw

Is it not true?

[Sakura Hana]

i find your pedits funny coz you were just complaining about the game dying when you arrived

[Sakura Hana]

I think Cakez is town.

[Sakura Hana]

I think u are scum sakura

ok

[Sakura Hana]

I think u are scum sakura

ok

Want to talk about it?

No.

[Sakura Hana]

Any specific reason ur acting like this is our second game together?

I dont remember much about you and what I mentioned earlier was the first thing that I remembered.
I also remember this being your "non serious" account, but you're usually actually "serious" when you're scum.

[Sakura Hana]

If playing 2 dozen games and being scum together at least 3 times should be enough for me to read you, then how come the same doesnt apply to you?

[Sakura Hana]

I dont have that good of a memory unless something makes a big impact on me.
Heck most larges i cant remember what half the playerlist has posted on that same day phase.
The most I remember about you is misreading you in the yuri game, that large pie modded we were scum together, that one marathon we crossbussed the entire game while the town just lynched each other, and that blitz you were scum that tried to lynch me but got lynched and then i got lynched anyway because you self hammered.
And that one street fighter game where you were on your FA account.

That's as much as i recall about playing with you.

[Sakura Hana]

If it isnt obvious im not aiming to get myself townread, and i could care less whether you townread me or not.

[Sakura Hana]

what

[Sakura Hana]

Why don’t you care or want to be townread?

Because the thing that happens after winning a scumgame while getting obvtown or locktown read, is that people will question their ability to read me and will never townread me again, and so i will probably be ML'd for several town games in a row, so im just pre-emptively preparing for the worst.

[Sakura Hana]

I was under the impression that this game is town-sided considering vi haven't seen a scum win yet.

Last time i played this game scum won coz i suicided out of paranoia and screwed a town auto win.

[Sakura Hana]

I linked it earlier.

[Sakura Hana]

This doesn't affect your mindset of "if Kokichi is scum I can just suicide"?

Why do YOU care? I thought it's fun to pair out with my favorite player out of the playerlist.

[Sakura Hana]

But since No Fun Allowed then im just gonna tell kokichi to reject and ill just sit here and die due to not getting a pair.

[Sakura Hana]

It's always funny to me how my top scumread on D1 is always a universal townread (i feel like mentioning it's not LLD.)

Really, I am FoSing MariaR and LLD.

[Sakura Hana]

I've had enough of this.

@Kokichi: If you accept im going to suicide as soon as first dance starts, so dont accept.

Just leave me to die if you guys are going to hung over my head all my past scum wins.

[Sakura Hana]

Wtf Sakura

My patience has limits.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean I already knew i wasnt gonna be obvtown ever, but this is ridiculous

[Sakura Hana]

I mean about half the playerlist wants me dead so...
I'm not even gonna bother continuing to generate reads since ppl wont listen to me because lolscumread, and after i flip lollisteningtodeadppl.

And all because...

Everything Sakura does is fakeable

Literally that thing has been my stigma for as long as I have memory on MS.

[Sakura Hana]

I regret already trying to win that game.

[Sakura Hana]

I regret already continuing to play mafia.

[Sakura Hana]

Just kill me if you're gonna scumread me just coz you cant read me.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura how do you come in and say this shit and yet make 0 effort to not make my life a living hell when I get this to a level you aren't even close to?

wtf are you even talking about

[Sakura Hana]

In any case there you have it, no Kokichi wont accept, I wont propose to anyone else, hope everyone's happy

[Sakura Hana]

But Maria's game you scumread me, Mr. Sakura is super easy to read.

[Sakura Hana]

you in maria's game: mega paranoia scumread, 0 effort to engage with me, calling me out for stuff you know is NAI

In maria's game you went from attacking tora for "attacking obvtown Sakura" to "Sakura is probably town", that's not paranoia that's your read changing for no reason and i scumread you.

[Sakura Hana]

my read changed because I put you in my second highest town bracket and you freaked out about it

ok i'm just gonna do a thing

VOTE: PP
VOTE: Sakura Hana

always thought sakura was scum but elected to not vote her for

reasons

but it's no longer safe to misinform people as to my read on her.
thought Toranaga was scum trying to spew Sakura town via their interactions so I elected to vote him and convince Sakura I townread her instead
her hypersensitivitiy to my read on here and generally these kinds of posts plus her awkward reaction to me saying that I knew she was scum but not following it D1

so yeah

did it?

[Sakura Hana]

Regardless point is, i scumread your read change, i didnt scumread you out of paranoia

[Sakura Hana]

And apparently, the reasons people scumread me for have literally no pro-scum motivation, just low pro-town motivation and/or contrarian to people's mindset or strategy for the game
So
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Town's not winning this if this is what people are scumreading people for.

[Sakura Hana]

-literally no pro-scum motivation
-trying to mislynch someone who i'm going to get immediately PLed if I mislynch her

617 was talking about THIS game

[Sakura Hana]

I mean you already said you dont care about how i feel because I paranoia scumread you in fallout and wrongly scumread you in Maria's game so I'm done talking to you.

[Sakura Hana]

No one is doing this to you.

Given I just won a scumgame myself and I expect a lot of people to suspect me simply because of who I am I can understand her feelings here.

This can be typed as scum because she can truly feel this

but this is the only post I've found remotely towny.

[Sakura Hana]

like i'm trying to establish a dialogue here about making you play differently with me in future games, i guess

no maria no one is paranoia scumreading you this game you are objectively scummy

Not happening because im quitting after this game is over or i die.

[Sakura Hana]

I regret already continuing to play mafia.

[Sakura Hana]

Are you saying it's impossible to feel the emotions you're feeling rn as scum?

Yes, as scum i dont care.

[Sakura Hana]

For me is better to be scumread as scum, that way people dont get paranoid of me when im town.

[Sakura Hana]

Pedit: You did the exact same thing in mylo though.

Did I?
All I remember is that I was crying because of another game and used that to fuel my emotion in that game.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura do you want to dance with me and just die after intermission

If i dance with you, you'll be lynched instead.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok fine

RC would you dance with me.

[Sakura Hana]

Why does it always have to take me getting mad and frustrated to townread my towngames.

[Sakura Hana]

Is it because im an easy target and I dont know how to defend myself?

[Sakura Hana]

It's more of "why does it have to get to that point".
It's not good for my heart, nor my sanity.

[Sakura Hana]

@RC: What happens if we both pair up and no one else does?

[Sakura Hana]

Doesnt everyone including all scum die?
Guess that plan wont work then.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm still confused about how this works, does that mean that now both Kokichi and RC can accept anytime and I get locked to whoever accepts first?
Last time i played bee asked me right off the bat and i instantly accepted so...

[Sakura Hana]

Oh well guess ill just have to let Lady Luck decide then.

[Sakura Hana]

Ever have that feeling that you're obv town and you can explain why but if you explain why people are gonna go 'wifom' or 'you planned that' so you don't wanna explain it and just hope someone says it for you? Really feeling that rn

Me literally every game im scumread.

[Sakura Hana]

Blame Wisdom he's the one that started all the "But you can do that as scum too" to literally everything I do, and if i bring meta ppl go "Self-Meta, so you can fake it because you're aware of it".

[Sakura Hana]

Eventually I gave up defending myself every time im scumread.

[Sakura Hana]

I'd complain too but not the thread or time so I'll do something productive.

Who do you tr in the gents

All my TRs are across my ISO.
I've literally been mentioning whenever I TR someone.

[Sakura Hana]

What's everyones Short reads?

I thought his first post sounded kinda townie

[Sakura Hana]

Other than that i cant remember most of what he's done, other than he's been saying he TRs me.

[Sakura Hana]

Kokichi's early posting looks really good in hindsight and it would have been so fucking free for him to do the troll thing and accept the invite and play backlog.

Really? On one hand if he accepted and played backlog the first thing i'd have done would be suiciding, on the other hand it's not like he's in danger of being left out if he didnt accept.

[Sakura Hana]

Now that you guys are talking about Fire, i have a concern, what if he doesnt come back on time to accept a dance? or will he at least be reading enough to accept?

[Sakura Hana]

I keep forgetting that detail, dont mind me.

[Sakura Hana]

I feel moments play here is night and day from BBtag

Well that game he was a traitor. That role is pretty demoralizing.
OTOH I dunno what to think of him, he's been focusing so much on the "lack" of town motivation for my opening move than whether it had any actual scum motivation.

[Sakura Hana]

I've had enough of this.

@Kokichi: If you accept im going to suicide as soon as first dance starts, so dont accept.

Just leave me to die if you guys are going to hung over my head all my past scum wins.

Ok. I'll accept you ONLY if you promise not to suicide

Too late

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, do you agree Brian is shady?

He is not a townread.

[Sakura Hana]

I do admit that i find him kinda different than what im used to tho?

[Sakura Hana]

Although that touhou game he was scum at was pretty similar to what i know of town him, so i dont think im that good at finding any meta differences. But I find him kinda underwhelming this game.

[Sakura Hana]

I spectated the Touhou game, so im not sure how it felt to actually interact with him, one thing that crossed my mind was that his stance towards claims was the same back in Midnight scummer's dream, it's something easy to continue to do as scum tho. My main concern is that he feels different from Phantom Hourglass and Minuet's Trio. It feels like he has no aim and is just commenting.

[Sakura Hana]

Wow, I'm actually a lot higher than I thought I'd be.

This however, feels like he's aware that he's not doing anything to be hardly townread for and is surprised that someone is townreading him that high.
Mental Note: If either LLD or Brian is scum, they arent scum together.

[Sakura Hana]

Coulda sworn you were in that touhou game

Nah I didnt play touhou upick 5, i played the previous 4 tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Wow, I'm actually a lot higher than I thought I'd be.

This however, feels like he's aware that he's not doing anything to be hardly townread for and is surprised that someone is townreading him that high.
Mental Note: If either LLD or Brian is scum, they arent scum together.

Addenum that I forgot: This could possibly mean Brian town.

[Sakura Hana]

You dont really have to post several times quoting the same thing asking different things.

[Sakura Hana]

And Mala, RC is already partnered with me.

[Sakura Hana]

No one needs to pair with you yet

Wait how much time do we have

eyeballing the start so about 6 days

[Sakura Hana]

Like if you even tried to do that strat I would ask every single guy just to stop it.
pedit: Clearly OOF

MariaR that strat wont work regardless coz scum would pair up last minute.

[Sakura Hana]

Like I literally brought the idea some pages ago and got told exatly that, what are you reading.

[Sakura Hana]

I think mala's town actually.

[Sakura Hana]

I think short is the best partner for DVA.

[Sakura Hana]

Firebringer x Cakez sounds fine to me too

[Sakura Hana]

I love how I seem to have dissapeared from people's reads lists

[Sakura Hana]

I love how I seem to have dissapeared from people's reads lists

are u doing a mala impression?

What is that supposed to mean?

[Sakura Hana]

Apparently because im paired and people stopped caring.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura still short?

?

[Sakura Hana]

Well, yes.

[Sakura Hana]

I feel like I would feel more strongly he was town if he was town

this made me giggle

[Sakura Hana]

Getting paranoid?

[Sakura Hana]

I've had a bad feeling since the beginning with how quickly people are townreading people.
Pretty sure I mentioned I had concerns with LLD and MariaR at some point.
There's also the thing with DVa being a lil different and more aggresive this game than BoR, but she said it's because of different role.

[Sakura Hana]

Like if you guys are sure they are town then sure, coz im aware my reads on D1 suk, but i rather speak up than not.

[Sakura Hana]

maybe also something to do with not being dead before page 10 lol

haha indeed xD

[Sakura Hana]

Again, at the risk of sounding like a jerk, I'm not going to townread everybody that throws a temper tantrum in the game thread - it's not like only town can get frustrated, after all, I'm also not going to townread MariaR reacting to the temper tantrum (NAI). I don't think Sakura/Mala are faking anger or annoyance - they seem pretty sincere. Scum can get angry too, if they feel they're being read 'unfairly'. Notably, Sakura got angry at something nobody was doing - nobody was pointing to games where she was scum before - I certainly wasn't

If you think like that, then you're already attributing my scum game enough credit for me to get mad like that over getting scumread, of course the fact that I won a game as scum would make people think my scum range is higher, hence it's harder to get TR, even if the games arent specifically mentioned indirectly you're suggesting that i am capable of faking literally everything i've posted in this game since it would be fake due to me being scum. And no, i dont get frustrated for being scumread as scum (or if I try to fake it, it sounds obviously fake).

[Sakura Hana]

But if you're wondering, the hardest thing for me to fake as scum is reads, and specially read changes or 180s that mirror the way they happen in my towngames, for this reason on BoR i avoided giving reads as much as possible.

[Sakura Hana]

You're right.
I kinda wanted to give Dunn a lesson on how to read me, but considering im quitting after this, it might just be pointless.

[Sakura Hana]

I actually tried to read you in Blazblue and failed coz I got it wrong.

[Sakura Hana]

...

[Sakura Hana]

Well im gonna be quitting after this game so it doesnt matter anymore.

[Sakura Hana]

Since im just gonna be mocked to hell and back for my lack of skill at mafia im just not even gonna bother arguing whether i was trying or not.

[Sakura Hana]

i said i think that your manner of dealing with me is the same kind of shit you hate from everyone else.

In the end, deep down I know i was trying, whether you believe me or not.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not even gonna bother to continue this conversation about that game since it's really irrelevant to that game, considering i dont even need to read you this game.
I was just making a point towards Dunn.

[Sakura Hana]

And hey, at least you wont have to deal with my "lack of trying" ever again.

[Sakura Hana]

This thread just exploded.
Well i was sus of LLD so this is fine for me.

[Sakura Hana]

This thread just exploded.
Well i was sus of LLD so this is fine for me.

tbh I always was

Oh this was the secret univerally townread, scum you were talking about?

[Sakura Hana]

Ah, nvm.
Well I was sus of LLD already at that point.

[Sakura Hana]

I think the way LLD asked Kokichi spews Kokichi town tbh.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote Counts and other events

| Lady Lambdadelta asks everyone

Wow I didnt even know that was possible.

[Sakura Hana]

So I’m concluding that among LLD’s rogues gallery is at least one mafia.

shocking...

[Sakura Hana]

I'm also TRing short tbh

[Sakura Hana]

I'm witness to MariaR's statement, but I dunno why she's even bringing it up.

[Sakura Hana]

I like how everyone has all these fancy invitation letters and i just did a simple bold text, FeelsBadMan

[Sakura Hana]

Uh, guess I'll prob spam

Pls no

[Sakura Hana]

Pretty sure the pairings are decided by good old scumhunting/townhunting

[Sakura Hana]

I am no easy mislynch. My partner, if town, won't be either.

You've been warned.

What are your reads and why

[Sakura Hana]

I am no easy mislynch. My partner, if town, won't be either.

You've been warned.

What are your reads and why

What's the most important read you wish to know?

LLD and MariaR

Oh

Nice

Go missing

but you better don't think

you got any lynch immunity

Well excuse me for having a real life and eating lunch

[Sakura Hana]

Well excuse me for having a real life and eating lunch

wasn't talking about you.

I'm alright with your thread presence.

Your previous post was directed at me, so I thought that one was directed at me, be more clear next time.

[Sakura Hana]

Gamma, where did you go, man?

Although i did miss this woops

[Sakura Hana]

Where is everyone?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm having second thoughts on mala tbh @RC

[Sakura Hana]

She doesnt seem to be even trying.

[Sakura Hana]

Granted that doesnt make LLD any townier.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah, but I remember Mala meta being that she hates being scum, and is usually kinda non existant when she is.

[Sakura Hana]

Also if LLD gets a partner they will be the first thing im lynching.

[Sakura Hana]

Scum is getting desperate

[Sakura Hana]

Mala

[Sakura Hana]

I'm back to thinking town after you mentioned your lack of activity was due to your work

[Sakura Hana]

I still think scum, hard scum read.

[Sakura Hana]

I dunno, she was being townread by a bunch of people at first, when you pushed her to be left out of the dance she started sounding like desperate scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I still dunno why everyone townread her early posting.

[Sakura Hana]

I still kinda want to lynch MariaR

[Sakura Hana]

I dunno why MariaR and LLD townread each other so hard.

[Sakura Hana]

Nevermind actually

[Sakura Hana]

I could've sworn MariaR TR LLD pretty hard, but instead it was this.

I'm getting that nagging little itch I got with LLD before. It could be my headache though and I should head to bed but I'll recheck in the morning. Gotta keep my 100% lld track record after all
Pedit: Correct

Moment/LLD is prob 1 and only 1 scum

P-Edit: If what you say about not trusting MariaR to read LLD right is true then this is kinda weird.

[Sakura Hana]

Moment, who was

Town

Lady

, has

left

in

pre-dance

.

Lady Lambdadelta, who was

Mafia

Lady

, has

left

in

pre-dance

.

Funnily enough there was indeed 1 and only 1 scum here.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont think I can read Cakaz and I think mala's town.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually Cakez felt kinda town at some points in the predance? I barely remember anything that happened there already X_X

[Sakura Hana]

Shortaru

- DVa

Brian Skies

-

ChibiBear

Kokichi Oma

- Princess Celestia
Dunnstral -

MariaR

Gamma Emerald -

Firebringer

SirCakez

-

Malakittens

I think this is more or less where i'm at

[Sakura Hana]

Btw intermission starts with 12 players left alive, so as soon as we lynch a pair we are going straight into intermission, dont rush it, we got all deadline for a single lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura why do you think I'm scum? I think I'm pretty blatant town with how LLD played around my slot.

I'm thinking the opposite actually

[Sakura Hana]

Well guess not exactly opposite as my read isnt "blatantly scum" but yeah.

[Sakura Hana]

I think Maria<->Cakez is a good pairing.

I also think Dunnstral<->

LLD

is a good pairing.

Because frankly 1) I think all four of those names are town now seeing their posting

and 2) I think all four of those names are entirely unafraid of killing themselves to kill the other if they get the slightest hint of them being scum.

I do want to run it by other people's reads, specifically interested in our confirmed town's perspective on things, but yeah I think those are a few good pairings.

I keep coming back to this post all the time for some reason.

[Sakura Hana]

So let's assume MariaR is scum:
LLD's suggested pairings would be

MariaR

x Cakez

LLD

x Dunnstral

But MariaR didnt get Cakez and LLD died, but regardless I recall something about 2x scum pairing being dangerous and we also got

MariaR

x Dunnstral

Dunnstral most likely town due to this (specially coz LLD wanted to pair with him), Cakez is a townlean, i doubt LLD didnt try to arrange 2 partners into townblocky pairs, of course, Cakez could also be scum instead of MariaR, or LLD might just gone with just settling herself in, so there's room for error, but that's what im going for atm.

[Sakura Hana]

My SR of maria is increasing.

[Sakura Hana]

So Shortaru was lying about being a newbie in all his posts

Seems like it...

[Sakura Hana]

If i recall tho, LLD had something against shortaru, kept calling him scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I've been too much into games lately that I almost forgot this game existed

[Sakura Hana]

I dont think I trust Dunn's TR on MariaR.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Dunnstral and MariaR
I think this is where I want to be.

[Sakura Hana]

I still think the way LLD interacted with Short should make Nancy town anyhow.

[Sakura Hana]

I’d be questioning her locktown read of me after that game.

Nothing related to you and mostly related to LLD's treatment of the slot.

[Sakura Hana]

And I dont get why me being paired with IC RC affects your opinion of me.

[Sakura Hana]

I understand your read on me is based on LL/Short interactions but after BoD, you really can’t blame me for doing a double take, since town!you has initially scumread me in all the FG games we’ve played together.

If anything after Heroes Wanted I'd think i'd have a harder time reading you and would more inclinded to use your predecesor's play (or in this case LLD's play around him) to read you than reading yourself, regardless there's very little time remaining in the first dance and im probably dead tonight anyways so I most likely wont have time to read YOU instead.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just mostly putting it out there that LLD's interactions with Short makes him more likely town, and the argument of "he was house" and "he was pretending to be newbie" doesnt hold strong enough for a scumread to form there.

[Sakura Hana]

I only have less then a day to figure this out? :/

Less than 2 days actually.

[Sakura Hana]

I think you should trust my read of her

Last time i trusted your read on her she was scum that survived with a (Fake) guilty on her.

[Sakura Hana]

And let's not forget fallout where you said she was town while she was scum.

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So excuse me if i dont trust your read on her.

[Sakura Hana]

you're really going to keep pointing to one game I read Maria wrong

TWO games

[Sakura Hana]

I mean, you're both a pair so regardless of RC read on you it still gets MariaR dead.

[Sakura Hana]

Why? What about LLD reactions makes you think I'm scum Sakura? We know it's hard for you to read me given you flip on me a lot so I wanna prove to you that you're incorrect. I really have no idea what interactions with LLD make you go "yup that's a partner with Maria" Can you go quote them for me?

I think Maria<->Cakez is a good pairing.

I also think Dunnstral<->

LLD

is a good pairing.

Because frankly 1) I think all four of those names are town now seeing their posting

and 2) I think all four of those names are entirely unafraid of killing themselves to kill the other if they get the slightest hint of them being scum.

I do want to run it by other people's reads, specifically interested in our confirmed town's perspective on things, but yeah I think those are a few good pairings.

I keep coming back to this post all the time for some reason.

So let's assume MariaR is scum:
LLD's suggested pairings would be

MariaR

x Cakez

LLD

x Dunnstral

But MariaR didnt get Cakez and LLD died, but regardless I recall something about 2x scum pairing being dangerous and we also got

MariaR

x Dunnstral

Dunnstral most likely town due to this (specially coz LLD wanted to pair with him), Cakez is a townlean, i doubt LLD didnt try to arrange 2 partners into townblocky pairs, of course, Cakez could also be scum instead of MariaR, or LLD might just gone with just settling herself in, so there's room for error, but that's what im going for atm.

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First of all town only loses if deadline runs out for second dance with at least 1 mafia alive no?, but we really should try to be lynching today, I'm going to make a stand and not move my vote, I'm dying tonight anyways so I could care less at this point.

[Sakura Hana]

During the dances, normal nightless lynch mechanics will take over. A lynch will NOT reset the deadline. If the Mafia makes up 50% or more of the remaining players at any point, Mafia immediately wins. If all of the Mafia are lynched, then Town wins. If the game runs out of time and at least one Mafia is still alive, then Mafia wins.

@Sakura doesn't differentiate between first dance or second dance in the rules

With that said, town has the ability to leave the dance before deadline so it's not a huge concern (that is, as long as we're not being super boneheaded)

if the

game

runs out of time, the end of the game is at the end of the second dance.

First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive

or deadline is reached.

During the intermission, Mafia may secretly force one of the dance pairs to leave. Second dance will then begin,

and continue until the game's end.