Magical Girls UPick - Heart of Shadow (Game Over)

[Dannflor]

VOTE: popsofctown

who wants to see a magic trick?

[Dannflor]

who wants to see a magic trick?

ok so the next VC is gonna have cats

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim

[Dannflor]

there is no limit to my power

[Dannflor]

oh I forgot that was RC

VOTE: popsofctown

[Dannflor]

oh I forgot that was RC

VOTE: popsofctown

RC hasnt posted yet, and why does him being hydra with me make you change your vote?
-Tana

[Dannflor]

chennisden are you even in this game

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Bitmap

[Dannflor]

pops i swear to fucking god if ur scum again

this is an overreaction

[Dannflor]

do you like your drama spicy or chilled

[Dannflor]

I'm just kinda bored

this game is slow

[Dannflor]

if you guys are nice to me I'll make kittens appear in every VC

[Dannflor]

I don't think that's what Dannfloor meant Sakurahana, the actual post count is pretty typical for a large Theme I think. The extent to which the posts has been alignment indicative have been slow. That's what a games actual pace is.

The speed of getting out of low-information-stage/RVS can vary pretty dramatically from game to game.

yeah pretty much exactly this

the vote hopping is half me trying to make something happen / see what people do

half me just having fun

[Dannflor]

wow this is a lot of power

[Dannflor]

Is it a culture/playstyle difference or is Titus faking her read?

[Dannflor]

btw guys I just realized I can only do the kitty pic thing once per day phase

I am so sorry to disappoint

I have a lot of thoughts on the last few pages but it's gonna have to wait until after D&D

VOTE: Lady Eventide i think this is where my vote is going though

[Dannflor]

Actually let me not creature catch up. Dann you still scumreading lady even or no?

I'm behind right now, but yes. Why?

[Dannflor]

I don't feel like Lady Eventide's posts have been that from town lately. Too mechanical and no scumhunting.

VOTE: Lady Eventide

This is essentially why I voted here as I was skimming the thread earlier.

Basically, the slot had continued making fluff posts while actual content was being produced between Titus and gameplay, then her first "real post" was purely mechanical. She throws down a vote on Titus in #242 that's not attached to anything and seems to be just voting for the sake of putting a vote down on a wagon. The OMGUS vote in #271 shows there wasn't really any strong reasoning attached to the previous vote.

Nothing since then has improved the slot for me. The hop onto Pops is reads very awkward.

[Dannflor]

I scumread Evenstar but townread Lillaire. Please send help.

What do you town read?

[Dannflor]

Nancy can spew herself town pretty well.

I don't support lynching that right away.

[Dannflor]

The Dann townread just seems off in general

It's a shallow read is what it is. Not sure if it's scummy or not.

[Dannflor]

Dann you still scumreading lady even or no?

Why did you ask this?

[Dannflor]

Gamma, gameplay, & Tana and Ephraim are my town reads right now.

I like Hidden Happiness a little too.

[Dannflor]

Yeah, Gamma's push on Bitmap is bad, but I think it's the town sort of bad.

[Dannflor]

Yeah, Gamma's push on Bitmap is bad, but I think it's the town sort of bad.

Like I guess I can understand this but Bitmap lying to discredit me is awful and scummy

I think you should just try focusing on other things for the time being

because even if what you say is 100% true

no one understands it but you two

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Sailor

[Dannflor]

Bad vote, Dann.

Your push is incredibly forced.

[Dannflor]

Your push is incredibly forced.

And why does that make me scum?

I don't think you're actually looking to generate content here.

You came in with an unnecessarily hostile tone and pretending like 20 pages of the game had nothing AI within them.

You're pushing to push and look like you're doing something.

[Dannflor]

unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push.

What on earth makes this a worthy push

[Dannflor]

pushing an agenda

plz explain

[Dannflor]

Or what are these "things" you claim are happening in this game that are actually AI or significant?

insinuating that there's nothing "actually AI" in this game indicates that perhaps you're the one misrepresenting facts to pUsH aN aGeNdA

[Dannflor]

your hydra partner tried to scumread me when I was warming up to the thread and shitposting a little

please quote where this happened

[Dannflor]

Look, I just think your push doesn't make sense.

You've admitted yourself that it's forced.

I don't think it's productive, unless you think this is going in a good direction.

I can see you as town making this mistake and just sticking with it because you don't know how to back down.

If you're town, however, I would reconsider this.

[Dannflor]

or at the very least taking a break from the thread and coming back when you find something that interests you to engage in

pedit: I wouldn't consider that a scum read or threatened scum read

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

why

[Dannflor]

I would like to think town!Krazy takes my out

[Dannflor]

Man, I think you're dead wrong on several counts and making a mistake

I don't know if you're actually scum

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

why

I like the reasoning against Senshi, yet it's also several slots that might townspew if there's town to spew, which leaves me somewhat torn.

Did your feelings on Bitmap change at all?

[Dannflor]

Krazy

there's no way in hell this is helping you read RC

this is not productive

[Dannflor]

Why are you still directing this at me, Dann? I didn't even plan to post tonight, people started whining about my slot, I made a joke and his hydra partner tried to scumread me for it. I even explained that I wasn't really particularly into the game and he continued to escalate the confrontation. Now he's started making incredibly aggressive posts.

Because you started it!

His hydra partner did not try to scum read you for it! His hydra partner tried to play the game!

I feel like you have been blowing things out of proportion from the start and I would like to sort you as either frustrated town or scum purposefully doing this. If you're the former, I think you need to leave the thread for a while.

#577 is out of line, yes. I'd like to leave the personal stuff behind and focus on the game.

But I'm addressing your play here, which is to repeatedly make assertions about this game and what has happened/is happening that I just don't think are true at all?

idk

I already town read Tana's slot, I need to sort you, and whatever you're doing right now is not good. And it sucks because I don't know if this is fucked up town!Krazy who has a grudge that's making him play weird or scum!Krazy.

RC is gonna say it doesn't matter but I'd still like to figure it out.

[Dannflor]

also I lowkey think pops is the real scum here who slipped in an unvote so she could vote on the Senshi wagon later in a more natural / less noticeable way

[Dannflor]

VOTE: pops

[Dannflor]

That's how I viewed it personally.

I would like this conflict to come to an end as I don't believe it's producing AI content for anyone and it's very unpleasant to read.

come back to the thread later if that's not possible

[Dannflor]

I think the Titus pushes came from "picking a side" between Titus and gameplay. idk I didn't think too much of them because most of the votes seemed to be in the interest of building a wagon

[Dannflor]

I'm going to bed

I like you all, be kind

[Dannflor]

Given that apparently whatever I do gets me scumread by somebody, might as well just carry on carrying on.

yikes

[Dannflor]

I had to

[Dannflor]

No. I'm hoping we get even more developments and information by the time I'm revoting anywhere, and it might not be Senshi. I'm still possibly a sucker for the (fake?) townslip.

If you scumread me I hope I at least get to be town IRL, though.

Of course you're town IRL <3

What town slip did you see?

Also, where are the rest of your reads right now?

[Dannflor]

Is it too soon to say, that I think at least one scum may be on us? It’s rapid fire with no real reasoning.

I do think the amount of people who piled on to you in a very short amount of time is worrying.

[Dannflor]

Yes I was

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Eventide

[Dannflor]

what can I say

It’s a way of life

[Dannflor]

Lady Even where are your reads at right now?

Be as thorough as you can

[Dannflor]

Also a town slaughter means town is gonna stomp I would assume

[Dannflor]

but wait let her post a reads list

[Dannflor]

Dannfor dannfloor dancefloor damnflor

[Dannflor]

DrDolittle: Barely exists. I think he's voting me? Post seemed inoffensive at the time. Let me ISO fast he's only got 10 posts. First and apparently only serious vote... is on me, and IMO seems a bit opportunistic now. I was at what, three votes here? Deserves some investigation/pressure.

this is all i got

but i don't really know what sort of reaction DDL is supposed to give to a vote

Why does he seem opportunistic, Lady Eventide?

[Dannflor]

ohp you guys got that already

[Dannflor]

I just don't know what makes DDL more deserving over Bitmap, HH, or Chaos Wind who she claimed to also not have a read on / or needed to contribute more

[Dannflor]

Dannflor [X]: dann dann dance dann @833, remains concilliatory, in 877, but now extend the courtesy to Eventide. I know you are a nice person in gameplay, but this seems a bit too much. Can you link?

877 isn't supposed to be conciliatory. I wanted a reads list so that it's easier to hunt for associatives after we lynch her.

[Dannflor]

Wagons have been attempted on Sailor and Bitmap

[Dannflor]

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

You think Sailor is Bitmap's partner?

I'm not really sure how this theory makes sense honestly

[Dannflor]

What exactly about that conflict made you think it was manufactured to draw pressure away from Bitmap?

[Dannflor]

Nancy, not everyone holds meta to the same regard

[Dannflor]

C.) I've been exploring a hypothetical why the distraction would occur and Dann narrowed it into "RCE thinks Sailor is bits partner." Which is not what I said.

How is this distraction orchestrated if that's not what you believe

Sailor as town purposefully tries to distract from the Bitmap wagon?

I'm not following

[Dannflor]

Playing devil's advocate the case can be made that scum took advantage of you vs Ephraim as the catalyst. Which is what I was getting at when I alluded to the implication on LE's slot.

Oh okay

I'm still not sure how that gets you to Bitmap is scum

Like I don't know what exactly about the conflict is tipping you off that it was either a distraction or utilized as a distraction

[Dannflor]

that's a weird post

[Dannflor]

Krazy is one of my favorite players to play with.

He's planning to go on hiatus, and I don't want to see that hiatus be a permanent one, so he gets heavily involved with this game and that turns him off of mafia even harder... :/

He got turned off because our slot got wrongly sr despite being mechanically cleared in VG and it came down to sheer luck, that we weren’t mislynched and town still won that.

i feel bad

[Dannflor]

Dannfor replies to: "unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push."

with "What on earth makes this a worthy push"

Which is so blatantly wrong and out of character for them that I feel it deserves a vote. Sailor was explicitly saying they were not worthy of a push.

And I was asking what makes the push on Tana & Ephraim a worthy push if those weren't a worthy push.

[Dannflor]

@Dannfor: You seem to be spinning things a lot, and it looks like you played the earlier situation for max chaos from the sidelines - knowing that RC and Krazy don't get along and both have poor tempers, your "hostile" comment takes on the aspect of being a lit match tossed onto gasoline from afar. I would like to hear more about why you voted Senshi initially, as your current explanation does not satisfy me; I would also like to hear a real, solid analysis of bitmap from you.

The former comment is simply untrue. Even as scum I would not intentionally stroke an argument between two players that was that heated and personal. I also did not know RC and Krazy didn't get along prior to this.

I voted Senshi initially because I thought their push on Tana was terrible, frankly. That's all there is to it.

Why do you want a Bitmap read from me? That seems random

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Pops

[Dannflor]

The characterization of me as an "instigator" is... I don't know what but not something I feel very enthusiastic about engaging in.

I'm not really interested in nor do I have the time to do a thorough analysis of Bitmap, Lady E. I don't have a read I'm confident in on that slot right now. Gun to head probably town.

[Dannflor]

RCE is definitely operating on moon logic but I don't think he's scum.

[Dannflor]

Hey who made the post where they were like setting up a dichotomy between two players' vote shifting patterns, one of which was Dannflor? Early in the game

I think that was Bitmap

[Dannflor]

I'll be honest Dannfor is a way I have not seen my name spelled before this game

[Dannflor]

I'm ready

[Dannflor]

wrong

[Dannflor]

I would like if you cased me

[Dannflor]

Hm okay

don't feel bad for voting me if you you think I'm scum

I was very surprised to see that read because you've played with scum and town me and I'd like to think you can read me well

but it is true I have not been efforting as much as I can this game—mostly cause I've felt like I haven't had to

I'll try to change that when I get home tonight

[Dannflor]

I don't think there's anything to read there Sailor

[Dannflor]

Do you actually want to lynch Dannflor day 1 RC

Have we played together before?

[Dannflor]

oh

I did not realize I had a reputation to live up to

I'll read the Cafe stuff and probably do some rereading of the game when I get home in ~6 hours. It's probably time to start trying a little harder

[Dannflor]

i want my ice cream back

[Dannflor]

Mine too, I need a big strong Dann to halp me.

I feel so wanted

I’m reading/skimming but I’m on my phone and I’m not gonna do much until I have a computer later today.

[Dannflor]

I think that's just Gamma, I've seen that kind of posting as both alignments. I think he's town here regardless though.

I'm home now and drafting up a reads list. I'll answer any direct questions if anyone has them while I'm working on it though

[Dannflor]

I picked someone random who already had a vote on them with the hopes of maybe building a super early wagon.

[Dannflor]

uhhh so I know this is a 180 but I think Lady is town

[Dannflor]

that looks really dumb why did I think that would be funny

Weird self-awareness

But okay

[Dannflor]

uhhh so I know this is a 180 but I think Lady is town

Why?

I'll address that with all my other reads shortly

[Dannflor]

I don't town read it but idk that it's scum indicative

[Dannflor]

Tana and Ephraim

- Town. I had a glimmer of doubt on this slot when Ephraim expressed his scum read on me. He's played with both scum and town me and I don't think my scum game is good enough that he should be unable to read me with a very high level of consistency. However, I can see why he might have doubts given my more laid back involvement in this game. The fact that Ephraim immediately backed off and pushed elsewhere means he's trying to give me the space to show that I'm town here, given he's not completely sure about it. This is evident in #1364. I think that's a town thought process and reads distinctly different to Gameshow Mafia—if you remember that Nancy—where he pushed us early and then immediately locked us town instead. This is more of a real progression where he's trying to give me a chance to prove my alignment.

Tana's posts are very town as well. She's actively engaging pretty much everyone and making pretty transparent attempts to sort. I've also mind melded with her on several reads and thoughts at multiple points throughout the game which makes me more inclined to town read her. Posts like #467 and #469 town ping me slightly for trying to move the discussion to more productive areas, instead of just jumping in and taking a side for the sake of it.

Sailor Senshi

- Town. The day role-block alone makes me more inclined to town read the slot. It's a mechanical thing I don't think that slot makes up just for a town read. I would think a roleblocker would be more likely a scum role than a town role, someone correct me if I'm wrong on that, so I find it more likely Senshi was targeted by scum. It's weak and certainly not a large part of my town read, but that's my thoughts on that.

With some more time and perspective on the spat between the Sailor Senshi & Tana and Ephraim slots, I can see Krazy's town motivation for forcing a push right then and there more clearly now. I don't think it was exactly a good idea but I understand why it happened. I also think it would have been very easy for scum!Krazy to keep the conflict going or use my reaction or someone else's reaction to redirect his energies elsewhere and keep the momentum going in a different direction when the quell with Tana and Ephraim was dying down. Instead, he did make an effort to reconcile and play the game in good faith with T and E, which I think would not be how that conflict resolved if it was really a manufactured scum strategy. Furthermore, he made posts defending me like in #1106 that show him still taking a logical approach to the game despite emotions getting heated earlier. I think this makes it clear it wasn't a scum tactic but a town attack that went awry.

Since Nancy and Shiro have been actively involved in the game I've found their attempts to engage and sort people town both in tone and action, similar to Tana. Nancy's reconsideration of Lady Eventide is towny in particular.

Lady Eventide

- Town. There are still a few small things that bother me about the slot—#937 is probably one of the most egregious examples of posts that still bother me—but I'm seeing an overwhelming amount of things that indicate town for me. I've been unnecessarily kind of unwilling to engage with this slot recently, see my #1330, because I've felt several of my recent posts have been misinterpreted and thus misrepresented by Lady Eventide. However, after rereading I don't think this is intentional.

In fact, I think the push on me is pretty towny. I think it's wrong in every respect, of course, but the timing and choice of person is towny. Lady Eventide was the first person to voice really any sort of suspicion about me. Her vote comes before Ephraim states his scum read on me. It also comes at a time where Lady Eventide has ~5 votes on her, the largest wagon at the time. I don't think scum!Lady E chooses that time to build a case against a fairly widespread town read. I would think it more likely she'd push a lower hanging fruit and try to get a counter wagon going. She had no guarantee anyone would join my wagon or even voice suspicion.

Her choice of continuing to swing her vote around when different people strike her as off is a town tell too, I think. She doesn't seem too self conscious about how she uses her vote. I think even IF scum!Lady E were to decide to push me of all slots after a big wagon had been built on her, she would have hard committed to it instead of voting Tana and Ephraim, Croag, and RCEnigma before coming back to pushing me. It's a sort of lack of self awareness and lack of tunnel vision that I think town is more likely to have.

Gamma Emerald

- Town.

I think Dannflor is town. He's taking initiative and leading wagons. Scum doesn't do that

This read: if you believe this why did you push me for that in Hidden Speezy? Either you're scum here or admitting you pushed a dishonest lynch in that game, in which case I'm entirely within my right to not trust any read you post here.

My town read mostly comes down to this post and the proceeding push from it. I personally think scum doesn't make cases like this. At the very least, I don't think Gamma!scum does. It's such an oddly specific circumstance taken from another game that I don't think scum!Gamma just makes that up or comes up with it on the spot. It's the sort of weird thing that town latches on to and pushes because they think they're on to something big.

I also find #1079 a town tell. I don't wanna say it's TWTBW because that's not quite right, it's more just that I think scum!Gamma would too self aware to immediately retract his vote based on somebody else calling it out. Most of the time when this happens, scum doubles down or lurks it out until they can change their vote without pressure. This was just an immediate "oops I made a mistake, nvm." I don't expect people to necessarily agree with this read in particular, but both of these instances strongly gut ping me as town.

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The above reads are slots I'm completely comfortable with putting in the town bin today and only revisiting later.

I have not been been giving this game enough attention to have solid reads on other slots. I've been for the most part just cataloging my town reads.

The slots that I do have feelings on go something like this:

RCEnigma

Hidden Happiness

Chaos Wind

gameplay

popsofctown

Bitmap

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This game so far strikes me as a game where extra attention has to be given to separating the "bad" town pushes and posts from the scum ones. I think quite a few slots appear scummy at first glance which makes things a little harder. It's just a difference between players making cases because they actually think they are good vs. players making opportunistic cases to justify their votes.

My efforts going forward are gonna be focused on sorting the players above and the one's I haven't mentioned who have made no real impression on me so far.

@Lady Eventide, I did take the liberty of rereading Bitmap's ISO. I know you wanted a thorough analysis but I don't have the time to do that today. I will say though that my original gut town feelings completely disappeared. What's your read on him? Also I would appreciate it if you answered why you were interested in that read from me specifically

VOTE: Bitmap

@Bitmap, can you quote some examples of pot shots Pops has made "anytime there's a new development?"

@Pops, how have your reads developed since your last reads list? Specifically, what is your read on me right now? You kinda avoided taking a stance when people started voicing suspicion of me. Like I get your hesitant to lynch me but I'm unclear where you're read on me stands

[Dannflor]

The ship has sailed. It's way past 152.

okay but like you can still answer the question

[Dannflor]

@Bitmap, can you quote some examples of pot shots Pops has made "anytime there's a new development?"

[Dannflor]

@Dann

I very frequently use phrasing that assumes the person that I'm talking to is town because if they're not town there's no point in the discussion.

Do you think Bitmap is >rand scum?

I love how pops hops in a side comment as soon as I admit I made a mistake.

I don't know why you see that as a side comment

She's directly asking if Ephraim thinks you're scum

that's like one of the most common questions in the game of mafia

[Dannflor]

I was interested in that read from you because you'd made a lot of noise about him in both directions

what

pretty sure I specifically hadn't mentioned Bitmap at all before you asked me because I

didn't

have a read

[Dannflor]

Isn't just random chance 1/4 anyway.

Pops, join me on Bitmap. When I was voting Lady, I was obviously town. When I swap to Bitmap, shade police come.

This smacks of lynch chaining and I do not like it one bit. My vote belongs on Dann flor right now, but consider this a FoS.

@Dannflor: WHAT

"pretty sure I specifically hadn't mentioned Bitmap at all before you asked me because I didn't have a read"

Posts #90, #447, #468, #515, #583, #979, #1021, #1029, #1031, #1058, #1061 all mention bitmap before my first mention of them to you in #1110. You had mentioned them a LOT in multiple other posts, and you seem to both scum and town read them in this period. You start by voting them, then shift to a town read, then shift back to "Idk I guess" when I question you on it. It's frankly weird how often you mention them without ever actually engaging with them.

Oh right

I forgot he was one of my first scum leans because of his overreaction to pops

#447 isn't about Bitmap at all, it's about you.

#515 isn't about Bitmap at all, it's about Senshi.

#583 is about Pops and why he changed his vote

#979 is not about Bitmap at all, it's about you

#1021 is just a statement

I could go on

literally only those first two posts were anything of actual substance on Bitmap himself, it's a very weird representation to say that I've been flip flopping on him all game when I 1. put a vote on him very early on in the game for a small thing 2. went with my gut 1000 posts later and said he was town 3. and then changed my mind just now

That's hardly "a lot of noise in both directions" and my mentions of him are clearly to demonstrate a point or ask a question about something else

You are still misinterpreting my posts and saying they are about things they aren't

[Dannflor]

Like I feel silly having to defend myself in this way because it's actually ridiculous how often you're just taking my posts completely out of context

[Dannflor]

Posts #90, #447, #468, #515, #583, #979, #1021, #1029, #1031, #1058, #1061 all mention bitmap before my first mention of them to you in #1110. You had mentioned them a LOT in multiple other posts, and you seem to both scum and town read them in this period. You start by voting them, then shift to a town read, then shift back to "Idk I guess" when I question you on it. It's frankly weird how often you mention them without ever actually engaging with them.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Bitmap

I don't feel like Lady Eventide's posts have been that from town lately. Too mechanical and no scumhunting.

VOTE: Lady Eventide

This is essentially why I voted here as I was skimming the thread earlier.

Basically, the slot had continued making fluff posts while actual content was being produced between Titus and gameplay, then her first "real post" was purely mechanical. She throws down a vote on Titus in #242 that's not attached to anything and seems to be just voting for the sake of putting a vote down on a wagon. The OMGUS vote in #271 shows there wasn't really any strong reasoning attached to the previous vote.

Nothing since then has improved the slot for me. The hop onto Pops is reads very awkward.

Idk what you consider "mentioning bitmap" but this is him talking to bitmap?

Yeah, Gamma's push on Bitmap is bad, but I think it's the town sort of bad.

I guess this is kind of a mention but he's talking about Gamma.

unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push.

What on earth makes this a worthy push

Wasnt this refering to Krazy's push on our slot?

UNVOTE:

why

I like the reasoning against Senshi, yet it's also several slots that might townspew if there's town to spew, which leaves me somewhat torn.

Did your feelings on Bitmap change at all?

Inquiring about your read on bitmap... I guess this is kind of a mention.

I just don't know what makes DDL more deserving over Bitmap, HH, or Chaos Wind who she claimed to also not have a read on / or needed to contribute more

This is related to 4 names someone had mentioned? didnt go check exactly who mentioned what.

Wagons have been attempted on Sailor and Bitmap

This is just information.

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

You think Sailor is Bitmap's partner?

I'm not really sure how this theory makes sense honestly

Ok this is a mention and somewhat of an stance.

What exactly about that conflict made you think it was manufactured to draw pressure away from Bitmap?

Inquiring.

C.) I've been exploring a hypothetical why the distraction would occur and Dann narrowed it into "RCE thinks Sailor is bits partner." Which is not what I said.

How is this distraction orchestrated if that's not what you believe

Sailor as town purposefully tries to distract from the Bitmap wagon?

I'm not following

Inquiring again.

Playing devil's advocate the case can be made that scum took advantage of you vs Ephraim as the catalyst. Which is what I was getting at when I alluded to the implication on LE's slot.

Oh okay

I'm still not sure how that gets you to Bitmap is scum

Like I don't know what exactly about the conflict is tipping you off that it was either a distraction or utilized as a distraction

Inquiring yet again.

Fact checking, did you just iso and ctrl+f bitmap
-Tana

I think that's exactly what she did and it doesn't match her narrative of my making a bunch of noise about Bitmap in both directions

[Dannflor]

Like I'm not gonna pretend I didn't swap from a vote to gut town read back to a scum read just now, but that does not match what you've made it out to be Lady E

[Dannflor]

my kitten tactic didn't work out so I gotta swap to this

[Dannflor]

Yep. And I don't deny that a lot of these mentions are tangential. It's just... I would expect that someone who you've mentioned offhandedly in 1/7 of your posts, and placed a vote on, might actually be someone you should be invested in solving? Just maybe??

Okay, now that's a little more reasonable.

You mentioned you're town reading Bitmap right now? Why is that?

I think his most recent scum read on Pops is really weak.

[Dannflor]

If Tana fools with stuff like this as scum she efforts enough at scum she can just beat me at mafia that's fine

there are enough reasons to town read that slot that I don't think it's worth reconsidering until lylo

[Dannflor]

Dannflor are you a Heart of Light

I am a Heart of Light

[Dannflor]

Instead I got this weird halfassed reply from Dann where he says he's not interested in bitmap and doesn't understand why I care about them. (First in #1110 where he says that my request "seems random", and then more elaborately in #1330, where he admits to having no strong read but still refuses to put one together. It's now been almost 24 hours since then, and I still do not have my analysis from Dann. This does not endear them to me.)

It was weird and halfassed because I frankly did not want to engage with you after I felt you were misinterpreting several of my posts.

I still feel like you're doing that to an extent but I'm making an effort to engage with you because I now think you're more likely to be town.

[Dannflor]

Also, should I take it that this means you're now seriously endorsing a scumread of Bitmap?

I mean yeah, I'm voting them

[Dannflor]

What's wrong with engaging with scum?

nothing

but at that point I'd gotten all I needed from what I thought was scum!Lady E and I was moderately annoyed by the way she was representing my posts

[Dannflor]

@Dann: What's your read on pops? You colored them yellowish?

Mixed. There was some stuff I disliked earlier, specifically a particular unvote. But I've liked her most recent posting.

It's sort of the case where lots of people are suspicious of this slot, but I don't entirely see what's straight up scum about it. Like I can find some off posts, but nothing that makes me scum read it that hard.

[Dannflor]

RCE for the really shit vote on me because he thought someone else was scummy

Yeah it was a shit vote

but is his thought process scummy

[Dannflor]

Dannflor (2): Hidden Happiness

Is that correct?

[Dannflor]

Who else has been suspicious of this slot?

Namely Tana and Ephraim, you, I think a couple others have voiced some sort of scum lean on the slot at some point but I'm not gonna trawl through and look right now.

[Dannflor]

I'm having trouble reconciling their push on me as something scum would do

I just feel like I'm a weird target for their position

[Dannflor]

Why are Bitmap + LE never scum together?

[Dannflor]

I think I need to take a break from the game and come back to it

Like just sleep on it and not look at the thread for a little while because every time I try to assess where I'm at I just get more confused about my reads

[Dannflor]

If anything Dann playing all sides in a short span of time is worth dissecting

I hardly think voting Senshi and then rethinking it after the fight is "playing all sides." If anything I pretty definitively took Ephraim's side. Also, your assertion that Bitmap vs. Gamma was poised to be a focal point is silly. Virtually no one else was interested in that spat, and both me and Tana said it was not productive.

RCE, do you have opinion not concerning this theory of yours? What are your reads right now, specifically Lady E?

===

I think DDL is town now

I should reconsider LE

[Dannflor]

okay thanks

you're null on me then?

[Dannflor]

Also I say playing all sides because you went through a really rapid progression of sailor scum for their tana push into a quick unvote and then tried to play mediator to a minor degree. Idk. Maybe no one was interested in bit vs gamma like I thought.

I did try to play mediator, but I still think I was pretty firmly in the camp of Sailor's push being bad.

Bitmap vs Gamma bores me.
It feels like one person is talking about chocolates and the other is talking about rabbits.
-Tana

Yeah, Gamma's push on Bitmap is bad, but I think it's the town sort of bad.

Like I get the point they are both trying to make, but instead of crossing paths it seems like they just keep missing each other.
-Tana

This is why I felt like no one was interested in Gamma vs. Bit

[Dannflor]

You two plus Sailor. So everyone directly involved in the conflict directly following bit vs gamma.

You see my point at all?

I see it, but I also didn’t see anyone besides Gamma and Bitmap particularly invested in that conflict. Maybe I’m wrong on that.

My current read on SS is town, a large part of which is Nancy’s posting

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Lady Eventide

DDL is right

My case is not good

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Lady Eventide

DDL is right

My case is not good

why u switch?

She doesn’t have one push that I’m like, huh that’s really good logic and reasoning

I town read her for her push on me cause I didn’t think she’s go for me, but at this point she’s gone for almost every player in the game, so that seems NAI

[Dannflor]

1

I town read her for her push on me cause I didn’t think she’s go for me, but at this point she’s gone for almost every player in the game, so that seems NAI

2

She doesn’t have one push that I’m like, huh that’s really good logic and reasoning

1A

but I'm seeing an overwhelming amount of things that indicate town for me.

2A

Her choice of continuing to swing her vote around when different people strike her as off is a town tell too, I think. She doesn't seem too self conscious about how she uses her vote.

I changed my mind guy

[Dannflor]

I feel like LE has deep dived everyone who voted her in a way that could plausibly be townie but she's basically ignored Bitmap's votes on her, gave him a weak townlean, waffled a bit when called out on it, and still doesn't seem interested in exploring it which seems especially weird when he's the other big wagon this game.

Add on to this the fixation with getting my analysis on Bitmap

[Dannflor]

Lady E you realize you can attempt to sort people without voting them, right

[Dannflor]

I feel like LE has deep dived everyone who voted her in a way that could plausibly be townie but she's basically ignored Bitmap's votes on her, gave him a weak townlean, waffled a bit when called out on it, and still doesn't seem interested in exploring it which seems especially weird when he's the other big wagon this game.

Add on to this the fixation with getting my analysis on Bitmap

Is this a

deepwolf

?

no this is patrick

[Dannflor]

Lady E, you were claiming to be good at scum earlier in the game, right?

But you also think you’re mislynch bait?

[Dannflor]

It's not beneficial for her if Eva was a wolf to out the neighbourhood there

dont vote her

- Hideri

??? what why

literally any of you could have outed it

Why is it more beneficial for scum!Lady E to keep it a secret

[Dannflor]

Who's she gonna do it to after outing the hood

- Hideri

You?

I assume you guys aren't just gonna stop interacting in there now that the hood is outed

[Dannflor]

Last post in there was a day ago

Anyhow
She's gonna call me out and vote me and then pocket me? nani kore

- Hideri

I mean no

but outing the neighborhood itself isn't a town tell

It's just as likely that she's trying to throw you under the bus to save herself under the (maybe bad) assumption that there's at least one scum in the neighborhood

[Dannflor]

But that doesn't matter if nobody knows theres a hood, and as far as her impression goes, we won't
Not that I believe in the one scum in hood thing

I think the benefit she gains by being like, "yo here's the hood, Cafe is sketchy in it, let's lynch him instead"

is greater than the benefit of trying to pocket you, because no offense, I don't think that gets her much

[Dannflor]

... If you're town, don't you say to Stiles "You already are pocketed by Eva", not "You're going to be pocketed by Eva"? She's already hard-defending me, it's hard to see how much more deeply pocketed she could get if I'm scum. Yeah, yeah, it's a small thing re: tense, but...

This is the sort of reasoning where I have a hard time differentiating whether it's bad town conf-biasing or scum making shit up

[Dannflor]

this feels like distancing

[Dannflor]

are you gonna dance w her

[Dannflor]

pops think there could be 3 scum on page 79?

-Merc

i know this isn't directed at me

but I think both bitmap and gameplay are viable partners if LE flips red

[Dannflor]

I know I'm weak to AtE

but this page half makes me want to unvote Lady E

...again

[Dannflor]

Something weird is up between LE and Bitmap.

I think there's at least one scum between them. Two isn't completely out of the question just given how out of left field this push from LE has been.

[Dannflor]

I know I'm weak to AtE

but this page half makes me want to unvote Lady E

...again

Don't dance around it then. It's posts like these that make me iffy because from the outside it looks like you wanting to stay on the wagon but save face if LE flips town.

I can't help it I'm an indecisive fuck

[Dannflor]

Bitmap why did you claim now

pretty sure LE's wagon is much bigger

there was no guarantee momentum would even swing your way

[Dannflor]

I mean regardless of how you read the slot it's never correct to lynch Bitmap today

I'm curious where Lady E goes now

[Dannflor]

actually it's ALWAYS correct to lynch Bitmap all of the time.

dannflor is idiot or deepwolf

wait sorry what

are you joking or am i actually dumb

[Dannflor]

no you're joking

[Dannflor]

that is true

[Dannflor]

let's all pick a color make this game magical

[Dannflor]

In the 1% where I fuck up, I deserve to get vigged or w/e.

[Dannflor]

I just wanna wait and see what LE does now

[Dannflor]

this is a roller coaster of emotions

[Dannflor]

I'm already committed to this.

Lady E, I feel like you're only voting Bitmap because you think you'll get scum read if you vote hop again

[Dannflor]

@Bitmap: What the fuck am I doing if I'm scum, then? Trying to lynch the claimed innocent child is equally suicidal!!

If you're able to have this thought process, you're able to realize as scum how doing this could get you town read.

[Dannflor]

But if this is a scumplay, it's something worth stalling a night for. Which says it's damn important we not let them have that night.

it's not worth while playing for this minute possibility

[Dannflor]

What the fuck am I doing if I'm scum, then? Trying to lynch the claimed innocent child is equally suicidal!!

I wasn't convinced until this line.

I feel like she knows exactly what she's doing.

[Dannflor]

next time im about to be lynched im just gonna say "THIS IS A T FUCKING E" instead of like actually AtEing and see what happens

[Dannflor]

...does that mean... you're town reading me now?

Or is Gamma suddenly bigger fish to fry

[Dannflor]

Classic scum tactic is to be a deepwolf in the game. Deepwolves in the game have the advantage of being the hardest person to lynch.

[Dannflor]

pops I'm already voting LE

[Dannflor]

I dont even know what's going in RC's head anymore
-Tana

idk

it is weird that someone comes in calling the push on LE the dumbest thing they've ever seen

like there are obviously valid reasons for the push and being used to a different meta doesn't really excuse that

[Dannflor]

lol croag isn't in the game and we're not wasting a lynch there

[Dannflor]

it's a great way to discredit RC and become the defacto town leader D2 if LE flipped green

I understand town reading LE but I don't understand construing the push as stupid and not valid at all from a town perspective

[Dannflor]

lol croag isn't in the game

Like what does this actually mean

croag is by all intents and purposes not a part of this game

what does a wagon on him tell us

[Dannflor]

even if croag is scum lynching him is far less valuable than a number of other lynches imo

[Dannflor]

it's a great way to discredit RC and become the defacto town leader D2 if LE flipped green

I understand town reading LE but I don't understand construing the push as stupid and not valid at all from a town perspective

what is this referring to

-chaos

the post where HH comes in and calls everyone stupid for voting LE

[Dannflor]

I think there are more pressing matters to address if you catch up Gamma

[Dannflor]

VOTE: HH

[Dannflor]

100%

is this something Tana can corroborate

[Dannflor]

actually don't answer that dumb question

[Dannflor]

Dann, Gamma, Pops, and especially you, Wind, you know my meta:

Assume I am town. Should I trust the fuzzy friendly person who has not been contributing and wants me to live, or the loud abrasive person with a plan for how they want the game to go, and who wants me to die?

I... don't know your meta?

I don't know why you're asking for opinions. It sounds like you've already made up your mind.

[Dannflor]

I don't know if this is how they usually play

it is

there

now you know

[Dannflor]

VOTE: LE

[Dannflor]

You what.

Five seconds after you got all up in his face regarding his possible scumread of you, you say you've never expressed a read on him?

This might be technically true but it's blatant gaslighting.

He would have addressed that regardless of the person who said it.

It's not a read.

[Dannflor]

First of all, this post is opportunistic as fuck. I refuse to believe someone as logical as dann really believed what RC was saying. Just voted without question. No comment just, a vote?

I'm logical but whatever RC was trying to accomplish doesn't work if I immediately contest it.

If I were scum who knew you were town I'd have nothing to gain from making such a "opportunistic post" that was logically going to be reversed later.

[Dannflor]

Lady E, you were claiming to be good at scum earlier in the game, right?

But you also think you’re mislynch bait?

Eh
What's the point of this question
Don't see the conflict of those ideas as it is

I don't think lynch bait + good at the game really go together. At least not with how much value Lady E seems to place in

not getting lynched at all costs

.

[Dannflor]

Okay, so what did you get out of this then if you knew it was fake? That should've been your answer right after he said 'this is fake' because to me it just seems like you wanted to see if the wagon would gain stream regardless of the fact.

I didn't really get anything out of it

I assume RC did

[Dannflor]

Dislike the LLD wagon

[Dannflor]

Like, I want people to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong because at the moment? I'm scumreading/scumleaning I think half the playerlist. Obviously I am incorrect on some of my reads but without ya know. Helping a gal out that isn't gonna change.
~Celica

what's your read on LLD

[Dannflor]

So LE, you consider AtE a scumtell and you're using AtE, as per your own evaluation, why shouldnt i be lynching you right now.
-Tana

Which post is this referring to?

all of them lol

[Dannflor]

I still think she's >rand to flip red, and now she's also a claimed slot so lynching her exposes less of the setup.

yea I'm very reluctant to force yet another claim today

[Dannflor]

i think that we should force dannflor to claim since he's a deepwolf

i claim deepwolf

[Dannflor]

Lady E I'm very confused what your read is on me atm

[Dannflor]

RCE I'm not really following your thought processes at all

[Dannflor]

RCE I'm not really following your thought processes at all

I think there's a possibility HH is trying to keep LE from voyeuring bit so scum can disrupt the IC claim.

oh I see the moon logic now

[Dannflor]

I just want LE lynch.

I want this day to be over

[Dannflor]

Gamma I thought you just re-convinced yourself on LE

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Lady Eventide

[Dannflor]

Did you say your passive ability has no name?

[Dannflor]

Gamma I feel like if you read all the posts you'll get the answers to your questions

[Dannflor]

Game please. How do you think LE is fake here? I think everything they’ve said recently is bleeding town. A bit of a read on pops would be good too.

Idk I don't think so
I think it is intended to sound so and that she is just making this shit up seeing how it affects us
I mean she did brag about being really good at scum
And as I said pops has been good those last 20 pages so I don't want to vote her anymore

She hasn't shown anything to make me think that she isn't self aware enough to not be able to play this way as scum. She's even explicitly said she can't help playing in an emotional manner.

[Dannflor]

pops is correct

and also town I think

can we please end this day phase

[Dannflor]

If HH is roleblocked we are in the exact same scenario tomorrow

[Dannflor]

idk what to make of Gamma's weird self focus the last 10 pages

[Dannflor]

Where the FUCK has DDL been for the last ten pages?

considering the pace of this game it is not unusual for anyone to vanish for 10 pages

[Dannflor]

i mean like worst case scenario

HH and LE are both town

HH gets NKed, and we lynch LE tomorrow anyway

[Dannflor]

VOTE: LE

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Lady E

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Lady Eventide

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Lady Eventide

that was hammer

are you scum

[Dannflor]

your face is redundant

[Dannflor]

hey guys guess what

if we go to a new day phase

I can make a VC with kitty cats again

[Dannflor]

ur face is redundant pops <3

someone ban me plz

[Dannflor]

I just had ice cream for lunch how are you guys doing

[Dannflor]

can i be a flower girl at the wedding

[Dannflor]

DrDoLittle (5): Cafe Stile, Lady Eventide, RCEnigma, Hidden Happiness

so HH has 2 votes

[Dannflor]

holy shit that's ban worthy right

[Dannflor]

I love Emilia