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[Eve]

Hi everyone

That's too many pages to catchup on so if someone filled me in that would be great

[Eve]

Like knowing what people have claimed and stuff would be helpful

[Eve]

Ok thanks

So scum have 2 members and one is dead so one left and they can't kill anyone? Or maybe a doctor has got very lucky with saves

Doesn't really sound balanced

[Eve]

Who did Wake jailkeep on night 3? That could've stopped a kill

[Eve]

Huh why am I voting for Wake

,VOTE: ElbirnVOTE:

[Eve]

VOTE: Elbirn

[Eve]

Alright fellas

I'm a Town Night 3 _______

I was thinking it soft-counter-claims Wake's role by having 2 Night 3 PRs? Not so sure anyone though. I don't have any useful results so will not claim the rest of my role.

Is there any reason to not claim the rest of your role?

[Eve]

It's worth noting a lot of the flips have had modifiers to reduce their usage so I dunno if a doc would be acting every night

Wake also claimed Loyal after his initial claim and claimed to JK me on N3 so I'm hoping he protected me if anything

What does loyal mean?

[Eve]

Is that your face in your profile picture Wake?

[Eve]

Sorry but 46 pages is like a short novel!

I will be paying a lot of attention from here don't worry

You said you aren't claiming it because it's not every useful but I don't see a reason to not claim it since you've already used your ability so scum won't have more or less incentive to kill you if you know what I mean. Why not be transparent?

[Eve]

Why do you believe alimdia over Wake straight away?

[Eve]

Al was right about looker and has been making townie decisions since then and Wake doesn’t have a clean track record.

Ok

VOTE: Wake

[Eve]

Sorry but 46 pages is like a short novel!

I will be paying a lot of attention from here don't worry

You said you aren't claiming it because it's not every useful but I don't see a reason to not claim it since you've already used your ability so scum won't have more or less incentive to kill you if you know what I mean. Why not be transparent?

That being said, I'd rather have your original reads instead of being able to have a clean slate so to speak from Day 4.

Sorry I just don't have the time for that right now

Maybe in a week and a half I will

[Eve]

Well idk

Only thing for me to go off right now

[Eve]

Well idk

Only thing for me to go off right now

So you'd rather sheep than read the game or ask questions?

I am reading the game from here

Ok Wake why did you jailkeep profii?

[Eve]

I wish you'd read the thread Eve

Loyal definition is on the wiki and also explained in the last 2 pages: fails if targets town

As for why I'm not claiming the rest.. read the thread

What it doesn't mean that at all

It means only successful if you target your own alignment

By you saying fails if targets town is making an assumption the loyal person is scum - we don't know that

Oh makes sense why it's called loyal then

[Eve]

Let's not play guess the setup

Let's just judge then for how they've played this game

Who's actions have been more scummy? Vote that one

[Eve]

Theres no world in which theres a N3 Doctor and a N3 Jailkeeper

I also expect wake is the only person here who would no kill every night as scum

So I'm just gonna sit here

How are you so sure of that? Suspicious suspicious very suspicious

[Eve]

You may have voted looker first but you never helped me after that. I'm pretty sure I made the majority of the case and asked more people to hop on...

If you were looker's partner I wouldn't even call that a bus

How many games have you won in that town 100% win rate stat? Doesn't that mean you're a safe lynch since even if you flip town we'll probably still win? I see a strategy

[Eve]

I think scum could be storing up kills and then release them all at once on a future night

There's a role for that but not sure if it's Normal

[Eve]

I think Wimpy replaced out of all his games and left the site

Saw him say that in one of the queues

[Eve]

Alimdia avoided my question

[Eve]

You're wrong

[Eve]

Also I was asking for how many games you've won as town and you didn't answer that

[Eve]

Haha nice bit deceptive that

Yeah sorry not going to catchup but will develop more reads as play continues

[Eve]

well I can try but it'll be mostly skimming and won't be a full readthrough

I'll try and find time later this week

[Eve]

VOTE: Wake

lame appeal to emotion

[Eve]

All I'm going to say is that if I get mislynched because people "couldn't believe" there'd be two N3 PRs then I'm going to say lynch Elbirn because he is Scum.

no one's even voted for you since your last post

[Eve]

haha you're not hammered dummy

[Eve]

I didn't mean for this to be a reaction test but worked out I guess

Elements put you on L-1 I was already voting for you

[Eve]

why are you so mad? you need to relax it's just a game

[Eve]

though maybe this is all an act and he knows hmmmm

[Eve]

I didn't remember I was already voting for you

[Eve]

what do you think of Wake's anger just now alimdia?

[Eve]

Elbirn, what the FUCK?

WHY would you vote for such a STUPID FUCKING REASON?

YOU ARE SCUM. No way would Town go with such bullshit reasons for this lynch.

Elements, Eve, you both fucked up.

I say lynch Eve next. Elements fucked up as well.

so you think Elbirn is scum but you'd lynch me for messing up?

[Eve]

why are you so mad? you need to relax it's just a game

I don't like bullshit, idiotic, illogic, contrived reasons for lynching someone

There's NO GOOD REASON to lynch me. Especially if you're Town. Elbirn I no longer Townread. His reasons for trying to lynch me have been complete and utter bullshit.

And that does make me MAD. Makes me PISSED. As Town you're supposed to used your head and be logical.

but town can be wrong and people have different opinions

that's literally the whole point of the game

[Eve]

Elbirn, what the FUCK?

WHY would you vote for such a STUPID FUCKING REASON?

YOU ARE SCUM. No way would Town go with such bullshit reasons for this lynch.

Elements, Eve, you both fucked up.

I say lynch Eve next. Elements fucked up as well.

so you think Elbirn is scum but you'd lynch me for messing up?

This wasn't at me but I absolutely lynch people that lol-hammer and it flips town. That includes you wake if you lol-hammered Day 1.
Because theres 2 possibilities:
A) you're scum, we lynch you, we win
B) you're town, we lynch you because if we don't, scum would lol-hammer all the time and claim mistake and get away with it. And if you're town, everyone hates you because you just lost us a lynch

that makes sense actually

i don't like Wake's style of play but he's reluctantly town here i guess

UNVOTE: Wake

[Eve]

You haven't even read Day 1.
You can't be wrong because you have no knowledge of what happened because you didn't read at least Day 1.

Seriously Eibirn, I'm waiting on your wake case because I'd want to policy lynch Eve slot over Salad the lurker now.

policy lynch for what? i just said i'd find time to catchup later

VOTE: Alimdia

[Eve]

You replaced in 5 days ago.
You contributed basically nothing. Shooting from the hip as wake calls it.
You said the quote above but haven't actually read up and judged anyone, other than shooting from the hip.
We said 'just read day 1'
That hasn't happened yet.

At this point, if you're town, If you're town, You're doing an incredible disservice to town and should never replace into a game longer than 10-20 pages. You are a prime candidate for scum to leave for LYLO to lose the game for town. And if you're scum... well we win.
Thats what a policy lynch means.

but you're ignoring the fact i literally just said i'd catchup so your whole argument is based on you forgetting that part

scummy

[Eve]

Ok back to Elbirn then VOTE: Elbirn

[Eve]

L-1

[Eve]

nokilling the first 3 nights is a really dumb strat

why is there even discussion based around the fact scum might've done that volunteerily? they didn't

[Eve]

i'd rather lynch saladman or elements actually

wake is annoying but he pushed Looker yesterday apparently and i believe his anger for now

elbirn is similarly grumpy and slightly more likely to be scum

salad defended elbirn/wimpy who could've been lynched instead of him so i guess i want to lynch Elements in that case

VOTE: Elements

[Eve]

wait a second who's this ultimateprank guy?

[Eve]

I’ll hammer, I guess. I mean who needs a claim when you can have a flip?
VOTE: Look

this was the only point that Salad voted Looker, the rest of the day prior his votes were either myself, Wake, or Saudade but he never really said much about why and totally avoided having an opinion about the Looker wagon

oh this is actually pretty scummy if true

good job ultimateprank VOTE: Saladman

[Eve]

man, this game got heated real quick
UNVOTE:

why did you come in just to unvote me and make that comment?

[Eve]

wow i already have more posts this game than saladman

step it up Caesar

[Eve]

Well I think it's far more likely for example that there's 4 scum that can't nightkill but have decent roles

Or just 3 scum that can't nightkill but have insane roles and possibly a one-shot vigilante they haven't used yet

Mafia going for some galaxy brain play where they nokill for confusion is just bad since that confusion doesn't help them or make specifically them less likely to be lynched so it's not for that reason I've concluded

[Eve]

why in the everloving fuck are we voting elbirn

stop voting elbirn

VOTE: Saladman

this is a better wagon

Can we do Eve? Look at her reaction to your post

What reactions and what's wrong with it?

[Eve]

I'm sorry salesman but I'm going to try to be as transparent about my reads and who I want to vote at all times - if that means I'll look suspicious because i change my mind a lot I don't care

[Eve]

VOTE: Eve I’m thinking she’s hopping on wagons as they gain traction, hoping for a mislynch. I mean that response to plank’s argument about mean just screams to me “i have a valid reason to mislynch, thanks plank!”

No I just agreed with the logic on you - I could've kept voting for wake or elbirn you know or kept my vote on Elements - you're just looking for a reason to vote me because you know I'm a potential lynch today

[Eve]

eve are you an alt?

yessir
abandoning my old account

[Eve]

I knew there was something weird going on

what?

[Eve]

You people need to stop having lives and post more

[Eve]

Oh yeah Elbirn so since we know 1 scum is left I concede there is a small chance that scum is messing around and no killing for the laughters but I don't think it's ever optimal unless they're multitasking and have cool abilities

Or maybe they're a godfather unless they kill the same night so they're hoping to be cop checked and cleared
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Eve]

To clarify there: my ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh is one of realisation rather than frustration

[Eve]

I wouldn't mind voting wake actually

[Eve]

Though he's probably town unfortunately

[Eve]

Why are people saying I'm trying to act inexperienced? I'm just playing normally

I've played a few games on here with my old account Wake

[Eve]

Nothing's changed time to deep fry some salad

Elements is the person I'm next suspicious of - he's been very quiet and confused why no one is discussing him

[Eve]

Let's put the salad to sleep by crushing him with a hammer

VOTE: Saladman

[Eve]

Ok, eve’s scum, she didn’t even call intent

When I flip town, you better lynch tomorrow.

Hmm think Salad could actually be scum here fakereacting - a big part of his earlier scumread on me was because of me sleeping someone else's vote onto him so hard to believe he suddenly forgot I was already voting him

Also he's active enough to respond a few minutes after I post but not commenting on anything else?

[Eve]

Is that seriously a hammer?

VOTE: Eve

Why would you try to vote me after thinking someone's been hammered? That vote wouldn't go through

And then why change your vote off me after you realised it wasn't a hammer? Doesn't really make any sense go me at all Wake

[Eve]

So the vote on me was symbolic after you thought I'd hammered Salad?

[Eve]

Hmmmmmmm ok Wake whatever you say

[Eve]

Enough messing around

VOTE: Saladman

Ok

that's

the hammer

[Eve]

Your wish is my command O Bag of Salad

VOTE: Saladman

See you in

hell

town of salem

[Eve]

oh did we lynch salad

hopefully this is gg

I think if you were Town and invested in Town winning you would be acutely aware of this not currently being a lynch, and your second line is completely unnecessary fluff.

Ha you fell for my fake hammer on you Wake, don't talk too much

[Eve]

fantastic news

[Eve]

Only person I townread is Wake

Have a bad feeling about Elements - is there a reason why he's under no suspicion?

[Eve]

I believe his jailkeeper claim

Elbirn seems towny as well because of... tone?

[Eve]

Only person I townread is Wake

Have a bad feeling about Elements - is there a reason why he's under no suspicion?

Coz he's town

oh ok makes sense now

[Eve]

Eve - plays at being a dumb noob but I don't buy it.

this backhanded insult

i think Elements is the last scum - plank's thoughts seem natural and genuine so i townread him as well now

VOTE: Elements

[Eve]

doesn't it make sense to nolynch tomorrow rather than today?

actually it makes sense to do it now because we get two lynches with a smaller pool rather than 1 with a smaller pool

UNVOTE: Elements

[Eve]

It could be Eve, Elbirn, profii, or Plank. Fuck, it could be Elements too.

Who here thinks I'm Town and thinks Scum deliberately killed alimdia to doubt-cast my claim?

Wake literally listed every player in the game as "possibly scum".

How many times will I have to point out that wake has no reads and is very transparently keeping his lynch options open because he is scum?

true that's pretty dumb actually

what are your reads in order Wake?

[Eve]

you're alright and don't let anyone tell you otherwise profii

you don't seem apathetic so that's something

[Eve]

we nolynch today but i think the last scum is Elements or Wake

Elements is solely basing his scumread on wagons and vote stuff - he hasn't actually given a reason for scumreading Plank so it doesn't make sense to me

[Eve]

people made me reconsider by pointing out how you're scumreading everyone and leaving your options open

[Eve]

tempting but VOTE: No Lynch

[Eve]

true there's been a distinct lack of pure analytical power this game

[Eve]

why are you so sure on plank Elements?

[Eve]

you think it was obvious bussing? i didn't get that impression reading through

could you explain or if you've explained already link the post where you did?

[Eve]

also i see right through your ruse Elements - that smiling alpaca in your profile isn't going to fool me even a bit ok maybe a bit it's pretty adorable but putting me off guard like that makes me even more suspcious of you

[Eve]

VOTE: Wake

yeah can we just lynch this guy actually

also what is that if not an alpaca Elements? if you're lying i may have to vote you instead

[Eve]

It's an axolotl

i don't know what that is

VOTE: Elements

[Eve]

VOTE: Wake

i've decided to look past our differences on judging alpacas Elements

Pedit: oh that's pretty cool actually - so can you come back if you're lynched?

[Eve]

Elements can you clarify why Plank is scum because of Looker?

[Eve]

oi people, this game still exists

you can't tell me what to perceive as real or not

[Eve]

I have no idea who the last Scum.

I do know that profii was at odds with me yesterday, and I wouldn't be surprised if the last Scum killed him to cast doubt on me.

Did everyone claim?

I don't think I saw a reason attached to Eve's vote on me, and I don't think her slot should be cleared because of Wimpy's replace-out. I don't feel particularly comfortable with Elbirn, either. Elements and Plank I feel more comfortable with, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's where the last Scum is.

I feel like the key to solving this puzzle is seeing who Looker interacted with Day 1. The lack of associations makes it so difficult to get a read on the last Scum.

woah so this is Wake's legendary pure analytical power - i've only heard about it in the legends i never thought i'd live to see it

but seriously you're not giving reasons for any of your reads and you're even saying you wouldn't be surprised to see scum be in the two people you're most comfortable with aka your townreads - stop scumreading everyone and actually take some stances and give reasons why

[Eve]

everyone wants to claim last i guess

i've got a real powerful claim lined up so i'll go later thanks

[Eve]

VOTE: Elements

would rather lynch him over plank actually- his tunnelvisioning and some of his arguments like the cyclic argument post that looks reasonable if you gloss over it is pretty convuluted

[Eve]

interesting

regardless could you put your votes down before the deadline?

Pedit: nice timing

[Eve]

oh God i'm terrible at situations like these

[Eve]

And if Eve somehow lives to tomorrow, I'm near certain she's Scum.

And if she is alive next Day, make her claim.

you still scumreading me Wake? why aren't you making me claim?

[Eve]

anyone since you both have claimed i'm just a VT

[Eve]

sorry to disappoint if you were expecting something more

my gut immediately points to Wake scum but i will do my due dilegence and look into why Elements was scumreading Plank so much at some point

[Eve]

Off you go then start the scumhunt

You've mentioned Looker a couple times and have casted some suspicion towards him, but I was hoping you could be more specific. Also, I don't like how little he's contributed to this game, and I think putting some pressure on him is merited.

VOTE: Looker

I'm a big fan of pressuring this slot actually

VOTE: Looker

you both vote for Looker but Wake's comes first and has better reasoning imo

[Eve]

VOTE: profii

Actually this is where I want to vote. Looker's probably a wolf with profii, but profii's actually actively doing wolfy things right now. I think profii is a surefire bet to flip wolf.

VOTE: Looker

Back to this after that last page. Have to go to work.

what happened between these votes to change your mind Plank?

[Eve]

so Wake parks his vote on Looker very early but then doesn't push him at all

Plank is on and off the wagon a lot but then actually pushes it hard from [post]602[post] onwards

[Eve]

Elements was such a dumb lynch yesterday - wake would've be so much better

wish i'd reread more

[Eve]

wake is very likely town after that flip

Plank you were very strongly of the opinion that Wake was town after the Looker scumflip

but why? just because Wake parked his vote there and didn't move while not really saying anything? and what happened to that read now?

[Eve]

still leaning towards Wake

his vote and reasons on Looker were solely for his activity level - that's not going to convince anyone and he's been overall scummier than Plank the whole game

[Eve]

where you two at?

[Eve]

And if Eve somehow lives to tomorrow, I'm near certain she's Scum.

why did you say "somehow lives to tomorrow" while at the same time being near certain i'm scum? were you expecting me to be nightkilled?

i'd feel so bad if Wake won as scum with his play this game

[Eve]

interesting i didn't realise that Plank - means i have to reconsider and read those wagons again too

Wake i want you to come back and give reasons for who of us you think is scum instead of what you've been doing recently which is basically just "anyone could be scum"

[Eve]

Do either of you think it's implausible for a Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper to exist in this game? Besides Alimdia what other PRs were there?

Did both of you claim VT?

no but it's weird in combination with the other night 3 role

and yes

[Eve]

And if Eve somehow lives to tomorrow, I'm near certain she's Scum.

why did you say "somehow lives to tomorrow" while at the same time being near certain i'm scum? were you expecting me to be nightkilled?

i'd feel so bad if Wake won as scum with his play this game

answer this wake

also why didn't you try and make me claim straight away?

[Eve]

And if Eve somehow lives to tomorrow, I'm near certain she's Scum.

why did you say "somehow lives to tomorrow" while at the same time being near certain i'm scum? were you expecting me to be nightkilled?

i'd feel so bad if Wake won as scum with his play this game

answer this wake

also why didn't you try and make me claim straight away?

I was expecting you to be Scum. Since Town can't NK Scum and Scum isn't going to NK itself, why would you think I meant something else?

I counter by asking you why

you

didn't claim straight away.

what i mean Wake is that you saying "somehow lives to tomorrow" is implying i could be nightkilled by scum if i'm not scum - this obviously isn't true though as i'm a potential mislynch while elbirn wasn't really

[Eve]

also why you would think i could be nightkilled if you are scumreading me so much

[Eve]

also why you would think i could be nightkilled if you are scumreading me so much

You're misreading my quote.

I was convinced you were Scum, which is why I said if you somehow survived then you must be Scum.

Does that make sense?

no it really doesn't - do you mean survive through the night? if i'm town why would i be nightkilled? there's suspicion on me

[Eve]

If you're Town and vote me we lose.

I'd rather you and Plank cross-vote. That way you'd find out very quick if I'm Town or Scum.

I AM Town.

oh my God...... i am

this

close to voting you

[Eve]

the only thing stopping me is that i don't like how plank is letting things play out instead of putting effort in to solve things which he should be doing if he's town

[Eve]

go on then Wake

where are you Plank?

[Eve]

yeah it was sarcasm

honestly i was 80% voting you but Plank's sudden inactivity and lack of engagement is really worrying me - really need him to come back

[Eve]

ugh

i voted elements because i thought his tunneling on Plank was fake

Wake is probably just scum and i'm being paranoid - at least i can blame everyone else in this game that was townreading plank and scumreading wake if we lose

[Eve]

oh there's ages left till the deadline

sigh guess i won't vote just yet then if you want to try and convince me wake

[Eve]

but right now i'm not liking you were so close to "gambling" voting for Plank and are now convincing him that i'm scum

[Eve]

goddamn it Wake

good job Plank

sorry Elements

[Eve]

don't tease us like that Plank - what's your main? don't tell me you're a Wake alt