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She’s saying that the Doc is more valuable as an Innocent Child than as a Doctor. I’m not sure I agree, but there’s merit in the suggestionIn post 24, OkaPoka wrote:But like titus explain to me the value of outting all the neighborhoods"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Exactly - that’s why revealing the IC is a D2/D3 strategy. I regret even mentioning that I had a neighbor, that was carelessIn post 33, Elsa Jay wrote:Okay, let's look at it a different way I suppose.
12 of us have neighborhoods, so 6 in total. 3 scum, 1 in each neighborhood. 3/6.
There's 50/50 chance right now your partner has of being scum. Act on it IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD guys. Use the mechanic to help solve.
Don't just make it so scum can kill the Doctor free of charge, because that kill wouldn't even give us info from the hoods and the possibility of a scum killing their neighbor."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”
PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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No it isn’t. The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t. Any Mafia Neighbor who tries will have their Town Neighbor blow up the claim, and then we have TWO ICsIn post 61, Something_Smart wrote:
I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.In post 60, Pine wrote:The Doc is functionally an IC"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Because nuance, OkaPoka. S_S’s plan is where we should start, until we decide we want to blow the setup open.In post 67, OkaPoka wrote:I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan
Titus’s plan is bad for D1, but has merit later in the game"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I think you and I are more or less on the same page, just using different words?In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:
That's why I said before LYLO, so we have the opportunity to lynch both if there is a counterclaim.In post 68, Pine wrote:The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t.
There are few situations where a counterclaim would be optimal, especially since the phone operator has the possibility to confirm themself via their results."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I think you’re ascribing malice to what is more likely carelessness. I’m not giving any credit to Titus beyond pointing out that the Doc could be used as an IC, an important note that I didn’t even think of until she suggested itIn post 74, OkaPoka wrote:
okay but claiming d2/d3 although still suboptimal is not titus's planIn post 71, Pine wrote:
Because nuance, OkaPoka. S_S’s plan is where we should start, until we decide we want to blow the setup open.In post 67, OkaPoka wrote:I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan
Titus’s plan is bad for D1, but has merit later in the game
like i feel like your are giving credit to titus when she deserves none"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Oh snap.
Now I get it. There’s only one Phone Operator, we know they’re Town, so a non-cced Phone Operator is functionally another IC.
I feel like we should stop any voting and claiming and whatnot and actually discuss this setup. It might be semi-breakable."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Right the fuck now, when every single one of us has three voices of reason in our heads.In post 81, Krazy wrote:
but when does town ever play optimally, ss?In post 50, Something_Smart wrote:This happens anyway though, if we force whoever we lynch to out their neighbor before they die.
I propose each and every one of us engage our partners in breaking this setup. 12 Town players x 4 person teams, that’s 48 Town minds to a mere dozen scumzors. We can solve this mechanically"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Right this minute I’m not sure. At my in-laws watching a very good movie. This is the sort of thing I need a legal pad, some coffee, and an hour to really explore.In post 86, Something_Smart wrote:
Probably not. Did you have anything in mind?In post 82, Pine wrote:I feel like we should stop any voting and claiming and whatnot and actually discuss this setup. It might be semi-breakable."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Works for me. I wanted to stay the fuck away from White Flag because it’s got a 75%+ scum winrate, so I’ll take a Townsided setup in its place.
Just because it’s probably +Town EV doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed, we need to do our due diligence
PE: this is a new setup suggested by someone after the process began (I forget who). It hasn’t been stress-tested"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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The fuck did that skull come from.In post 95, Pine wrote: Works for me. I wanted to stay the fuck away from White Flag because it’s got a 75%+ scum winrate, so I’ll take a Townsided setup in its place.
Just because it’s probably +Town EV doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed, we need to do our due diligence
PE: this is a new setup suggested by someone after the process began (I forget who). It hasn’t been stress-tested"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I feel like scum!OkaPoka isn’t this stubborn and disagreeable hereIn post 98, OkaPoka wrote:actually there is literally no reason to ever massclaim dude unless you are looking for team solves/ruling out partners
just claim at intent or nk
...and I worry that Town!Titus isn’t this agreeable umm everIn post 100, Titus wrote:
I feel I'm outvoted but this is agreeable for now.In post 84, Krazy wrote:
She's town but we should be sticking to "strategy A" until there's a town consensus to switch to "strategy B"In post 78, OkaPoka wrote:whats ur 2 cents on titus krazy
Strategy A: Hoods aren't revealed until L-1 with intent to protect the doc
Strategy B: All hoods are revealed to guarantee the production of ICs upon redflips
We can always switch to B, but we can't go back to A once we go B."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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AgreeIn post 114, OkaPoka wrote:krazy's entrance posts are kinda bad tbh
Nah, Elsa could fabricate that. I don't think he necessarily did, but I've got too high an opinion of his scumgame to give him the benefit of the doubt.In post 123, OkaPoka wrote:inb4 someone says wow elsa townslipped"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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No no, I get that it was +EV an honest error, but I have respect enough for your game that I think you COULD have fabricated it, and would prefer to ignore it. Null.In post 132, Elsa Jay wrote:
Need I remind you how shit I am with names, or ask why I would bother remembering the names of people not in my game?In post 126, Pine wrote:
AgreeIn post 114, OkaPoka wrote:krazy's entrance posts are kinda bad tbh
Nah, Elsa could fabricate that. I don't think he necessarily did, but I've got too high an opinion of his scumgame to give him the benefit of the doubt.In post 123, OkaPoka wrote:inb4 someone says wow elsa townslipped
I'm fine with it not being a towntell, but again, it's an honest thing I would have said, either as town trying to lynch scum or scum trying to make town suspect them."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Calling it. [Krazy, nancy, one other]In post 178, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Krazy is so super obvtown it hurts."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm pretty sure I have, but I'm not going to spend half an hour proving it to myself. I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with all the team stuff I need to do.In post 243, popsofctown wrote:Pine have you played with Hectic?
I agree about the "angle" of his particular gimmick this particular game
But if you've played with Hectic I don't think you'd expect him to revere even Team Mafia.
Especially with a team behind him. They may be branding themselves as newbies, but there's talent in there. Subsequent Bob posts on that page same reaction. Very 'meh' and/or constructed. Slightly suspicious.In post 256, Something_Smart wrote:I don't think scum-bob would have any difficulty making that post?
Neither do I. My team has been frustratingly silent on this game, actually. Glass houses and stones, though, I'm struggling to manage the ~100 pages of the last ~two days.In post 280, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Auro doesn’t like Krazy’s opening.
Ali isIn post 301, popsofctown wrote:Pine before I tell you what Ali's read is how well do you think e can read you?fucking awful at reading mehonestly e's usually just paranoid about me. E's never really caught my scumgame iirc, so eis scumdetector is turned up to 11 on me. Sup, Ali!
You, on the other hand, seem to be a lot more level-headed w/r/t me. You were a threat at times in AVP.
I would very much buy Titus/Hectic as T/S neighbors, and I'd love a Hectic!scumflip to give us an innocent Titus. She'd be dangerous as an IC. I feel like I've seen it once but can't remember when.In post 309, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Titus claimed Hectic as her neighbour, so maybe she has inside info that can help us better sort him.In post 323, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Stop trying to drive a lynch on town.In post 320, DrDolittle wrote:vote elsa pisskop
Big warning signs. I almostIn post 326, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
It would be antitown for me to reveal my reasons.In post 325, Amrun wrote:
Why is she town?In post 324, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
She’s town, trust me on this.In post 322, Amrun wrote:I’m not pisskop but I’ll take that offer anyway.
VOTE: Elsa
Easily the most vote worthy so farneversee this from Town this early without a mechanical reason, and it's an open setup with no mech clears yet. This looks like scum trying to drum up towncred by whiteknighting a Townie.
Gamesolving effortIn post 442, OkaPoka wrote:i think krazy's posts reads as someone who is trying to but struggling to get a foothold into the game without potentially hurting himself
like up until pine he made a lot of empty posts that don't really lead anywhere but are like weird attempts at interacting with someone that avoids finding scum
and i think the pine push indicates what i suspected, he was just biding his time for something he could jump at
He's...kinda not doing either of those things.In post 457, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Krazy is also being really active and aggressive which is town indicative for him. I think he is just making a really bad vote because I think Oka is being obvtown here.
Can we not?In post 462, pisskop wrote:
I CC thatIn post 456, Elsa Jay wrote:He's obviously the Phone Operator.
Please don't attack people where they can't defend themselves.In post 479, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Mastina is biased, so you really can’t put too much stock in that.In post 472, OkaPoka wrote:krazy literally a paragon nom
It doesn't. KrazyIn post 481, OkaPoka wrote:
maybe krazy isn't the greatest town player ever to live but i think getting nominated for paragon indicates a level of competency as a town playerIn post 479, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Mastina is biased, so you really can’t put too much stock in that.In post 472, OkaPoka wrote:krazy literally a paragon nomiscompetent, but using nominations as a basis for that opinion is just...not solid reasoning.
Bingo. Pops = Town, Krazy = scumIn post 482, popsofctown wrote:Krazy tried to coast Day 1 in the large normal I played with him and Magical Girls
He did elementally scummy things in AvP we shouldn't have ignored and thats probably a more reliable way to read him than activity, which is probably erratic from Schrodinger's sitequit also.
His okapoka omgus is legitimately unproductive and scummy, that's good reasoning
PleaseIn post 523, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I was going to publically apologise to you because it was wrong of me to threaten to pl you but your push on me last night was disgustingly shitty but it’s obviously not against site rules for someone to bully people and be hurtful and tonedeaf.In post 519, Titus wrote:@Krazy, We aren't playing with who can beat us. Anyone can be lynched. If we were, we'd have to vote Nancy because her response is to belittle anyone who suspects her is toxic as fuck. We vote scum.
Pine is pretty surely town. So is Oka.
If I am wrong, I'll suck it up and deal with it then.pleasestop equating suspicion in the game with bullying or personal attacks. It is counter-productive.
...maybe share them?In post 549, Eddie Cane wrote:I'm caught up. I have 3 town reads, 2 scum reads, and a bunch of nulls.
Bob seems to be trying very hard to be innocuous, saying as little as possible while remaining active. Like, I see a bunch of words but practically no content. Empty platitudes. I could say I'd solved the game, 10 Town and 3 scum reads, but without sharing it's kind of pointless.
Tell me more? I like Pops as Town, but I respect her scumgame enough to recognize that I could be misreading her.In post 570, Titus wrote:I kinda see a pops and bob team.
Yeah, Hectic is definitely the lynch today. Gut feeling, he's trying to draw out the real Doc.In post 577, Hectic wrote:Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?
I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.
Ohwhoops, I just dropped my, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into mystethoscope, and consult myconsulting room.Drew
(hint hint)Uhhh, again, I see no reason to think that, nor any explanation of why you think so.
Crown on the Ground was an unusual game, in that the scumteam was more or less caught D1. Easy to TR Townies in that environment.In post 600, Something_Smart wrote:
I thought Hectic was towny in Crown on the Ground (where he was town).In post 597, Amrun wrote:I literally have never read a post of Hectic’s, ever, that I don’t find to be scummy.
I don't think he's towny here, but I also think he intentionally decided to troll this game."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Reads in no particular order or degree of strength. Just c/ped my notes from the catchup readthrough
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Krazy - Bad entrance and followups. Reminds me of AVP
Nancy - Unjustifiable certainty too early w/r/t several slots (Krazy, Elsa esp)
Hectic - Bad off-topic/trolling posts, counter-productivity
bob - Maybe? Weak vibes
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Pops - Positive read, making a lot of sense
Elsa - Interactions from Nancy
Titus - Positive read, counterpoint to Hectic
Amrun - Very positive read
OkaPoka - I don't see the setup spec coming from scum? Setup-solving, gamesolving
pisskop - Obvious scumhunting effort
NaCl - vague positive read
Insufficient information
DDL (Please stop calling him Eddie Murphy, very confusing)
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S_S"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I’d forgotten the Seeking Masons shenanigans. Yeah, that’d do it. Given my own lapse in recollection, I wouldn’t attribute it to anything more sinister. That’s prime confbias territory. Not saying you’re wrong, just saying I don’t see it yet."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Right here:In post 623, Hectic wrote:@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?
Here, obviously. The "hint hint" especially has no function from a Town perspective, but could very easily be intended to draw out a Doctor who isn't close-reading to say "aha! I counterclaim!"In post 577, Hectic wrote:Ohwhoops, I just dropped my, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into mystethoscope, and consult myconsulting room.Drew
(hint hint)
Just because it's clumsy doesn't make it not scummy. And if you're Town just dicking around, then you should be ashamed of yourself and knock it the fuck off. This is Team Mafia, not some random Mini you joined on a lark."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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She's gamesolvy, has made a number of parallel observations that I've also seen, general positive scumhunting vibe, she's the only one of you Mastina is willing to endorse as Town so far (she thinks pisskop is scum though)
Why is she scum?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Nvm, I skipped 630 to 640 while writing a "your mom" joke in response to 627 which I thought better of. I see your reasoning, I guess? I don't agree with it.In post 630, Amrun wrote:
She wrote it all out in detail for me to share here since this question was asked.In post 612, Eddie Cane wrote:Amrun, ank wants to know skitters specific thoughts on Pops please.
Here’s the gist of it:
1) she doesn’t like that pops sided with NaCl on his poor Eddie vote when SS was bickering about it. SS made a valid point about Eddie being on vacation so it was essentially an empty vote anyway.
2) Pops voted SS for how he engaged w/ bob’s pressure, but SS was correct in his argument with bob and whatever pressure he was receiving she felt he acted in accordance with town behavior for him.
3) She doesn’t like the vague meta reasons pops is using.
In addition, after the vote response, she doesn’t like the reaction and how pops is trying to say she only came in because I needed help, which I didn’t.
I agree with all those reasons and I specifically noted 2) prior myself re: SS being correct on bob.
pops, skitter would like game references and preferably post references from games that show S S scum game is similar or especially that his town game is dissimilar."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Central premise? I don’t think those actions are inconsistent.In post 647, Amrun wrote:For what reason(s) do you disagree, though?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This vendetta you think I have against you does not exist. I’m getting a little tired of it. This is a game of social deduction, positioning, and assessment. Game-related posts are not universally condemnations of your ability or intelligence, and I would please like you to stop misconstruing them that way.In post 732, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
No, Pine seems to feel he has some God given right to pass moral judgement on me and lecture me all over this goddamned forum and I’m frankly sick of it.In post 727, Something_Smart wrote:
Can we notIn post 678, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I know at least one person who won’t be getting a paragon nom next year. Did you guess you? And you will always be the very LAST person on this site, I will ever be accepting criticisms wrt to my behaviour.
I'm not lately.In post 810, OkaPoka wrote:or rather, why so many people are townreading nacl"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I mean, IIn post 822, Elsa Jay wrote:What part of "focus on the players in this game" do I have to keep repeating for it to finally stick?
I came to play with you guys, not the other 30 something people as well. If I wanted that I would've taken the large.wantto agree with this, but you're railing against the central conceit of Team Mafia."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 888, Eddie Cane wrote:Ironically, pine, we have talked about you quite a bit as well."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Town to scum or scum to town?In post 889, Something_Smart wrote:{Nancy, bob}
{pisskop, Titus, Hectic, Oka}
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Labels, people, ffs"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I’m in the awkward position of defending pisskop in our PT to two people whose opinion and objectivity I trust. It’s weirdIn post 891, Eddie Cane wrote:Hm. Eh. We are not very synced at all."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I’ve seen it scum on top more than once, but I thought it was Town -> ScumIn post 911, Something_Smart wrote:I want to say maybe once in my life I've seen a readlist listed scum to town, and it was clearly labeled as such.
Town is at the top. Town is always at the top.
In that case...what thefuckare you smoking? Your list is upside down my dude."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Why would Mastina have anything to do with it?In post 955, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Calling it now, Pine is either on crack or scum, depending on Mastina read."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I've already given my reads - they are pretty much the opposite of his. I've explained myself as thoroughly as early game hunches can be.In post 965, bob3141 wrote:In post 892, Pine wrote:
Town to scum or scum to town?In post 889, Something_Smart wrote:{Nancy, bob}
{pisskop, Titus, Hectic, Oka}
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Labels, people, ffs
You ask for clarification on teh order of his read list. But what do you think of his reads and if you disagree on the placement of players. And why do you feel that way?
Mafia would be a great tool for the Turing test.In post 966, Eddie Cane wrote:I feel like if somebody coded a robot to play mafia it would sound like Bob
See, posts like this are why I'm feeling pisskop Town in spite of my team disagreeing. There's just no +EV to this kind of infrastructural work as scum.In post 969, pisskop wrote:
Town blocs fail because people call attention to them. Town blocs form naturally, with an unspoken understanding between the players. You dont vote for a town bloc. They just -are-In post 964, bob3141 wrote:town block"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This whoooole post sets off alarms. Salt is undermining a near-universally Townread player while weakly affirming the wagon (that that player) is on. There's a whole lot of unnatural solviness (yes I just made up a word) there. "I don't disagree with your vote, but let me now try to build a case against one of the people on that wagon" is a classic scum misdirect-while-hedging play.In post 976, NaCl wrote:
Fine. VOTE: Okapoka Farkran says your posting doesn't have any depth to it ( mostly agree) and whenever I try and get a better grip on your thought process you clearly don't want to help me with that.In post 847, OkaPoka wrote:Nancy you always have an expectation of people treating you as obvtown and I'm hoping that if even your teammates can't explain why you are obvtown you will stop beating our heads over not locking you town.
Idk what to say nacl if you don't like what I've had to say then unlucky
See my previous response to Krazy, same thing.In post 848, Titus wrote:@NACL why aren't you voting? Too salty? (Sorry couldn't resist the pun.)
Okay, so pops vs Eddie, I don't think outing the neighborhood makes Eddie scum. Like, I get that Eddie can do it if he's careless scum but pops' argument doesn't make sense since he can also do it if he's annoyed town and I don't see why pops is reading into it in that way. It feels forced.In post 914, OkaPoka wrote:this is very good actually
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<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this
I initially liked pops for her earlier play because it didn't feel like it was scum-her and I think I actually know how she is as scum, unlike most people here. But the vote on Eddie feels like a reach.
Regarding the Hectic wagon, I'm not super opposed to it, but I disagree with the reasoning behind it. Mostly for Nancy's issue. Because from what I'm reading from Hectic's posts, he doesn't seem to understand the issue with the question he was asking. Nancy, do you think he's faking that he doesn't understand? I think it would be easier for scum to just say, "oops, I didn't realize" and then stop pushing on it instead of continuing to try talking to you."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Xtoxm and Mastina both say you're scum. I don't agree. Kuribo is dealing with some health issues, he doesn't have time to read this game for right now.In post 981, pisskop wrote:shite. thats a good team too.
Equally likely that kuribo or mastina is saying this"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Oh my damn, I was wrong, it's just Xtoxm. He just said so twice while Mastina was posting about Pops!Town (which Idoagree with). Essentially his case amounts to a meta kop's-not-playing-his-Towngame argument."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm reading everything you post, and I don't lockscum you. There are shades of gray in the world. I don't respond to you because I'm trying to keep my head in the game.In post 994, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Why did you make that fake doc post? And yeah, I am definitely considering that as a possibility because it seems like Pine isn’t reading my posts or anything anyone is saying about me. Here’s the thing, both DDL and Pine were in Marked for Death. Pine was my buddy in that and DDL tr me here while Pine is locksr me, so something isn’t adding up.In post 967, Hectic wrote:Nancy, I have been a little unhappy irl recently. I try not to let real life affect my emotions here, but maybe it leaked into my interaction with you? I'm not sure how though because I was just trying to stay level headed and reasonable. My lack of engagement before was because I hadn't read the game until yesterday.
But since you've somehow gauged that and are scumreading me for it, please don't. I'm not asking you to townread me for this, I just want you to consider it NAI. Also, vote Pine with me if you scumread him too.
I've realised I shouldn't force myself to play if I'm feeling down so I'll be back tomorrow after hopefully a good night of sleep.
As a matter of fact, I'm coming around to a Hectic + {NaCL, Krazy, Bob} solve right now."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Bizarrely, Nancy, I think we are suddenly on the same page with most things except Krazy. I'm still not convinced you're Town, but I have bigger fish to fry and your reads line up with mine for the most part."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Page 41 after almost a week is not quickhammer.In post 1023, Elsa Jay wrote:
Damn, thought I got to quickhammer.In post 1017, OkaPoka wrote:In post 1015, Elsa Jay wrote:VOTE: Hectic
Seems like this is a popular wagon.
Consider this my birthday surprise.REAL L1Gay Mafia 1 was already done for five pages by now.
This is not a policy lynch, you're just having cold feet.In post 1027, Something_Smart wrote:But it doesn't really seem like a good idea to policy lynch someone in one third of the allotted time.
A) ThatIn post 1039, Something_Smart wrote:
Given that he's trolled a lot and nobody's stated any reasons for actually thinking he's scum, it's a pretty reasonable assumption.In post 1035, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Your comment on the wagon happening quickly makes sense but how is Hectic a policy lynch?isa reason to think he's scum
B) That's not the only reason
DisagreeIn post 1042, Something_Smart wrote:Aside from the doc crumb thing which was clearly bullshit.
Neither do I. >Avg TownIn post 1044, pisskop wrote:ftr i dont particularly SR S_S right now.
Having time is not really a good reason to spend it fruitlessly. There's a fairly strong correlation lately between long games and scum wins. Waste not, want not.In post 1048, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Oh, well as SS pointed out, we still have 9 days, so I’m not in any rush. He is still my preferred wagon unless something changes in the next 9 days.In post 1041, pisskop wrote:
I mean, if you do I intend to hammer the moment we get a new vote on them.In post 1037, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
You want me to revote him right now?In post 1034, pisskop wrote:just one more vote for heck plz
But I do think there’s something to consider wrt the speed of that wagon, so I’m fine waiting.
I'm ready for a flip."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I don’t really have a you read, but it’s 2:25 AM so you’re just going to have to be happy for now with Mastina and I agreeing strongly on that count. Ask me when it’s not stupid o’clock and I’ll elaborate, but I tend to forget stuff like this."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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You’re throwing up scumreads on controversial people who aren’t going to change their minds on you and trying to appeal to those who might be swayed. I mean, credit for effort, but a successful attempt would include reasoning and maybe a false positive or two. Condemn someone who thinks you’re Town, that sort of thing. A no-effort jury management...nah.In post 1075, Hectic wrote:What does that mean? It's the people who came to mind."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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He’s competent enough that I don’t accept memeing in TM2020 from him.In post 1115, Amrun wrote:
Ok, thanks for that info - Pine, please change my question to what do you think of Hectic as a player in general? Is he competent?In post 1112, Hectic wrote:
I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.In post 1108, Amrun wrote:@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?
I need to consult with my team, they think I’m out on a limb here and Hectic’s posting this afternoon has been better.
As for the lack of a counterwagon, that isn’t for lack of trying - there have been pushes on several people so far, they just haven’t taken hold."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I mean, look at that scummy as fuck wagon on OkaPoka. I maintain that {Krazy, NaCl, Hectic} is an entirely plausible teamIn post 1091, Micc wrote:"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Xtoxm is particularly against lynching Hectic, thinks he’s a mislynch. He’s Townreading Amrun, S_S, Hectic, Pops, and “probably” Nancy
PE: Site meta has gotten to the point where scum can pretty easily get away with being transparent for exactly that reason.
Okay. Say we tabled your lynch for now, Hectic. Who should we be voting and why?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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He’s not providing content. He’s got a naked readslist and that’s it. What the fuck content are you talking about?In post 1125, Something_Smart wrote:
I don't follow the logic here. Is memeing and providing content worse than just providing content?In post 1122, Pine wrote:He’s competent enough that I don’t accept memeing in TM2020 from him."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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