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It's obviously a Star Wars gif bruhIn post 25, Emperor flippyNips wrote:OHHH! That’s what it’s from! I thought it was that one hungry games movie raiders of the lost arc- AaronFrost
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Well damn you must be telling the truth. After all, no one would ever lie about not being mafia in a game of mafia. That'd be silly...Ame wrote:
psh you think you know me dawg?In post 72, Luca Blight wrote:Their post is so inoffensive and nice, it feels like they’re trying to get on people’s good sides.
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I mean I thought Ame's opening was pretty LAMIST so I think they're a good wagon right now. I'm also generally not a fan of RQS as it's usually not helpful.- AaronFrost
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What do you make of it considering no one has answered your questions.In post 84, Ame wrote:Those questions aren't random. They are the result of hundreds of hours of research into the best way of identifying vocal discrepancies between town and scum. The test has a 97.7% accuracy rating. Scum simply can't help but exhibit certain physiological responses when answering.- AaronFrost
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It doesn't and I'm not sure why you think that I expect it to, I'm just hoping to get some discussion going.In post 90, insomnia wrote:
How does this help you discern Ame's alignment?In post 86, AaronFrost wrote:
What do you make of it considering no one has answered your questions.In post 84, Ame wrote:Those questions aren't random. They are the result of hundreds of hours of research into the best way of identifying vocal discrepancies between town and scum. The test has a 97.7% accuracy rating. Scum simply can't help but exhibit certain physiological responses when answering.- AaronFrost
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Honestly I welcome the engagement if it gets other people talking, which is really what I'd like to happen here. How people are reading me is something I'm not concerned about atm.
Ame's entrance was the only thing that stuck out to me as something worth pushing, so naturally that's where I'm going to go.- AaronFrost
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In post 82, AaronFrost wrote:I mean I thought Ame's opening was pretty LAMIST so I think they're a good wagon right now. I'm also generally not a fan of RQS as it's usually not helpful.- AaronFrost
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The snarky thing is just sorta my personality tbh but also I wanted to see how Ame reacted to it and wasn't as concerned with others' reactions. I can see how it might come off like that though.In post 102, insomnia wrote:I can kind of see your premise for the push, but the part that bothered me was that you followed upon it only later, which read to me as weird because it's attempted to look like a joke while technically you're pushing out of RVS, it felt very agenda-y in that sense. As in, it's disguised as RVS, has a snarky tone to it but isn't flat out stating a suspicion. And you saying the wall is scummy and the voting being focused on something else strikes me as odd, as I'd imagined the vote and your initial accusation / gut feel should've been a contiguous thought, whereas that waiting period made it seem like you were baiting reactions from other people so as to see how they felt about Ame's wall and judging whether it was worthy of a push or not. Also why i pointed out the "something worth pushing" whereas I would've expected town to say "It's scummy" as opposed to "worthy of pushing" because it involves two different mentalities. Scum look at what pushes they can get away with, and town pushes for things that are actually gonna make someone flip scum.
One thing to note is that no one else came and said 'yeah I found Ame's opening scummy too' and Hectic even sorta defended them, although it may have been a joke (I can never tell with him). So if I'm scum here, and I'm observing that no one else wants to push Ame, then I'm not going to continue the push whereas town me is going to follow the one read I have, even if it's met with resistance.- AaronFrost
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I just realized 1/3 of the playerlist is V/LA so that's probably what's contributing to the slowness.- AaronFrost
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I got some pings off of Luca's clidd vote but I need more from him + giving him the benefit of the doubt because of his V/LAIn post 106, insomnia wrote:I actually think you have quite a courageous scum game play (or you are faking it well), this beating around the bush feeling I got from the push is definitely weird, I just interpreted that as scummy at face value but having *some* experience with you it'd probably be town indicative? Might dive into your meta.
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What happened to your Ame read then? No interest in pursuing that further?In post 109, Luca Blight wrote:
I have reason to believe Clidd doesn’t like playing as scum, and he’s ignoring this game while being active on site.In post 101, AaronFrost wrote:So far, yes. Not sure I like Luca's clidd vote though.
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How about we like wait for the V/LA people to come back first?In post 111, Emperor flippyNips wrote:lets just kill someone so something happens- AaronFrost
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@AmeIn post 86, AaronFrost wrote:
What do you make of it considering no one has answered your questions.In post 84, Ame wrote:Those questions aren't random. They are the result of hundreds of hours of research into the best way of identifying vocal discrepancies between town and scum. The test has a 97.7% accuracy rating. Scum simply can't help but exhibit certain physiological responses when answering.- AaronFrost
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Let's just not rush a lynch. I agree that Ame's read/vote on you is bad, but I'm not rushing a lynch over it.In post 130, Wimpy wrote:@everyone please let’s lynch AME before this game gets out of control.
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This post kinda proves otherwise. Clearly you were expecting people to respond, and intending to use the responses for analysis.In post 143, Ame wrote:It wasn't really that serious. I didn't expect anyone to answer them really.In post 84, Ame wrote:Those questions aren't random. They are the result of hundreds of hours of research into the best way of identifying vocal discrepancies between town and scum. The test has a 97.7% accuracy rating. Scum simply can't help but exhibit certain physiological responses when answering.- AaronFrost
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I want other people to weigh in on thisIn post 142, Wimpy wrote:I think we should rush it cause this game will become pretty hard to read if one of us isn’t resolved quickly.- AaronFrost
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@ModI'm currently voting for Ame, so they're at L-1.
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That's not the impression I got when I pressed you about itIn post 151, Ame wrote:Aaron, it's a joke. We can't actually hear people's voices in this game or measure their GSR (Galvanic Skin Response). There was nothing serious about my questions at all. I was just writing bad Sci-Fi.- AaronFrost
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So am I correct in assuming you think the team is Ame/insomnia?In post 155, Wimpy wrote:Insomia said if anyone called his reads baseless he’d essentially lose his shit. I did that and nothing. So I voted him to try and like the bear some more. And still nothing.
This is scum trying to keep their cool. Insomnia doesn’t strike me as a guy who keeps his cool.- AaronFrost
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This is a decent point about nipple flips though. 71 seemed to imply that he was sorta townreading Ame, or at the very least didn't understand why they were being scumread.In post 174, Ame wrote:You implied that you either had a town read or no read on my opening. Then you used my opening to justify voting me. From that I inferred that you forgot about the question you asked before which implied your town/null read. From that, I inferred that your reasoning for voting me was fabricated. From that, I inferred that you are mafia.- AaronFrost
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I don't like their Wimpy read either, feels fabricated and not genuine at all. Their switch of opinion on you was pretty bad too.In post 194, insomnia wrote:Yo Aaron, how do you feel about Ame atm?
Unless this is some wild case of bussing, I'm gonna say that Wimpy/Ame are never scum together here. Ame's forced read on Wimpy + Wimpy being content to deathtunnel Ame feels like a farfetch'd interaction for scum mates to have on Day 1.- AaronFrost
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This + insomnia's tone in general is pretty townieIn post 196, insomnia wrote:I know you aren't doing it consciously but this is just unnecessary banter that I've dealt with in the past. Wasn't trying to put it on you, not my intention, I was explaining why I'm not snapping at you, of course you wouldn't know. I'm just on really thin fucking ice and this is the reason I took a break, because of my toxicity so I'd appreciate if you just stopped trying to poke a creature that will wreak havoc. I can endure stuff but like don't push it too much either.
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@Lucacan you link me to the games where clidd replaced out as scum? I do want more from that slot so hopefully they either post some reads soon or get replaced.- AaronFrost
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Ame's page 9 was pretty good actually but I'm not willing to slap a townread there just yet. Even scum who get heat early can obvtown to take the pressure off of them.- AaronFrost
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Don't you think that scum!Luca would try to emulate his towngame as much as possible?In post 312, clidd wrote:Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).
I don't have much meta with scum Luca, the one scum game I did play with him he replaced out of so not much to go on there.- AaronFrost
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I'm at a problem where I have no idea how to read Wimpy's deathtunnel of Ame. Like there's a part of me that thinks that that kind of behavior almost never comes from scum, but I think the way he's going about it is also objectively anti-town.- AaronFrost
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This is a bad post to locktown someone off of, scum can easily say things like that to get towncred (I've seen them do it quite a bit too). Not accusing Luca of anything, just throwing that out there.In post 333, clidd wrote:
This guy is extremely locktown, I hope you see that too.In post 326, Luca Blight wrote:Hectic, unvote Flips please. I want to catch up without worrying about a lolhammer.- AaronFrost
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ThanksIn post 344, Luca Blight wrote:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81952In post 221, AaronFrost wrote:@Lucacan you link me to the games where clidd replaced out as scum? I do want more from that slot so hopefully they either post some reads soon or get replaced.
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Such as?In post 397, clidd wrote:
Yes, obviously, but I have personal reasons for considering him locktown.In post 387, AaronFrost wrote:
Don't you think that scum!Luca would try to emulate his towngame as much as possible?In post 312, clidd wrote:Because he wouldn't say this as scum. We played a game together, and he's acting the same way (he was town that game).
I don't have much meta with scum Luca, the one scum game I did play with him he replaced out of so not much to go on there.- AaronFrost
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Why do you townread dsj?In post 409, Luca Blight wrote:
If you truly TR me then trust my read on Flips.In post 403, clidd wrote:As long as we vote Emperor, Dsjstr or Hectic today, we're good.
VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips
I think dsjstr is Town as well. Hectic is a decent option, although I need to review.- AaronFrost
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Sarcasm doesn't translate well over text, I don't get why that's AI.In post 422, Ame wrote:Aaron is trending down for seemingly not comprehending my sarcasm, which is just weird.- AaronFrost
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I think insomnia is town actually.In post 420, Luca Blight wrote:Clidd is probably Town for now just by the fact he's actively contributing.
VOTE: Insomnia
I'll try this for size.
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Maybe not, but I think the way he changed his read on me was genuine and his interactions with me early on were genuine as well.In post 430, Luca Blight wrote:You think as scum he would have just attacked it?
I'll look into your case against him further tomorrow though (irl).- AaronFrost
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I'm not really? I don't have a strong read on clidd one way or the other. Where did I mention I was townreading him?In post 440, Hectic wrote:This is what I'm more used to seeing from clidd as town: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11552826
As town, he's very analytical and has good fleshed-out reasons for sorting people, but I'm not seeing the same thing in how he's townlocking Wimpy/Luca here. The reasons given there don't warrant a townlock. Not 100% I saw this, but why are you townreading him, AaronFF?- AaronFrost
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Would you mind linking that game for reference?In post 463, insomnia wrote:well tbf in there i was scum reading billy and not you, you just so happened to replace in that slot and couldn't town tell, so i say that's a really bad pocketing attempt, don't appeal to my emotions as it's not gonna work- AaronFrost
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Do you think this points to a clidd/Wimpy!slot scumteam? Because if cliddscum and Wimpytown, then what reason does cliddscum have to display such a strong townread on someone who's town when they could've taken advantage of Wimpy's aggressive and anti town behavior.In post 480, Hectic wrote:You're saying scum wouldn't fake a read which they couldn't explain, right? But clidd stated a read... and explained it. I'm not sure what you mean. Also, clidd's default is having reasons like that for reads, and that is one of his good ones. But the townlocking thing and confidence there is what concerns me. I don't think it's natural to go from "unsure" to "townlock" on Wimpo on a replace out.
Also, clidd, Wimpo's replace out happened in other games too. Does it still make him a townlock?
PEDIT: Nope, I don't really think I've been passive or cautious either? I'm also at a point where I'm reevaluating my reads.- AaronFrost
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I will say that I'm not used to flippy nips posting this much, most of the games I've played with him he usually lurks and ends up mislynched.
Does that make putting effort into his posts scum indicative for him? Gonna ISO him.
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The progression from 71 to 107 felt off. I explained why this was off earlier and I don't feel like repeating myself so go look in my ISO if you want my opinion on it.
230 kind of implies that he's actively looking for pushes (he said "Ame was the only one worth pushing") instead of trying to sort it himself or give his own perspective on it.
461 is pretty jarring with the knowledge that he replaced into a slot that insomnia was already scumreading in the referenced game
Nothing else in flips's ISO stands out to me honestly. This definitely doesn't feel like town/lurky/disengaged flippy nips though.
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If I'll be honest, when things get toxic between two players, I have a hard time differentiating alignments from it but from what I usually see they're never s/s.In post 539, Luca Blight wrote:Regarding 218, I don't like how, when asked about your read on Ame (who is the only player you've pushed so far) you basically just conclude that she and Wimpy aren't scum together, which is a really safe and obvious conclusion to make. You don't really commit to either maintaining your SR or reconsidering it.
I don't get your point about my Ame read. I did reconsider it back when I said that Ame's page 9 was good and while her town equity was rising I'm also well aware scum would do everything in that situation to get themselves townread (or at least try to).- AaronFrost
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Do you any actual thoughts to contribute? I can't remember a single thing you've done in this game so far.In post 531, dsjstr wrote:flippy/emporer scum team conf- AaronFrost
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I wanted to poke clidd about his reasons for 'locktowning' you, not because of my own reads, but because I think the reasons he townreads you for are way too hasty. Saying 'scum would never say this' then they would and have and a weak meta case of 'he played like this as town so therefore Luca = town' feels like a rushed and fabricated thought processes. My own read on you is irrelevant to those posts.In post 544, Luca Blight wrote:And you can appreciate that, fmpov, it looks as though you're posturing?
It seems as though you need the thread to know you're being considered over Ame, even though essentially you've provided nothing new whatsoever. It doesn't seem natural to me, and neither does a number of your other posts in which fence-sit, such as 387, 389.
It's the way you're casting doubt over a read (which isn't necessarily bad) but then hastily adding you don't necessarily SR that player. It feels cautious and more likely to come from scum.
Basically, you're being TR and, if you're scum, have something to hold onto, which ties in with my view that you're playing more cautiously than you were in the early game.- AaronFrost
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Actually I'm more surprised that you haven't brought it up yourself and just kind of accepted the weaksauce townread on you with little justification.
420 - "Clidd is probably town for now just by the fact that he's actively contributing"
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The response wasn't really asking him about the read directly though, it was more of a rhetorical question that you didn't expect him to actually answer. He did answer though.
And you never really followed up on it other than slapping a townread on him.In post 361, clidd wrote:
It seems that you misinterpreted my read's intention. Common sense, in this context, are suggestively basic attitudes or actions, with simple reasoning based on evidence or a series of information that, when linked, form a certain conclusion that is beyond the reach of possible scums, being more easily performed by towns, precisely for the intuitive behavioral authenticity, which I used to subjectively evaluate the set of posts I quoted about you. Evidently, when a fragment is separated from them, it is not possible, however, to understand the general meaning, therefore, isolating post 67 the way it was done in this post is something that significantly distances it from the proper interpretation and, consequently, contributed to the structuring of a line of thought that fits me, obviously, as extreme scum from your point of view. Possibly the two games we played in, had a greater impact on your decision making about my possible alignment placement here, if we do not consider my distance from the beginning of the game. This is problematic, considering that you are locktown to me, even though you are mistaken in most of your considerations. I believe that an approach to this, imagining myself in your place, will not be effective in changing your opinion, so I will probably be ignoring you in this game.In post 352, Luca Blight wrote:250 - I don't really get why Clidd has me as lock town for the posts he linked. Why would you TR someone for common sense?
And how is the post below common sense or even town-indicative?
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It's almost 1AM here so I'm going to bed. If you have any other questions for me I'll answer them tomorrow at some point.- AaronFrost
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I was catching up from like page 15 or so last night and the posts that I'm scumreading you for happened after that point. I was going to call you out for them, but you called me out before I got the chance.In post 552, Luca Blight wrote:And I gave my reasons for 'slapping a TR on him'.
This feels just like in the last game where I suspected you, and you tried to deflect from it by suspecting me in return.
Why didn't you mention any of this before I called you out?
And like, think about it, would scumme seriously try the same deflection tactic on the same person two games in a row? I think you and I are both smart enough at this game to know that I wouldn't do that.- AaronFrost
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I'm aware of your reasons for not pursuing the scumread, but for one the initial scumread was pretty weaksauce (I didn't pursue it at the time because it seemed like clidd would either start contributing, or would flake and be replaced) but okay we can agree to disagree there.In post 561, Luca Blight wrote:I even linked him the games regarding Clidd so he should have already known my reason for not pursuing that initial SR.
My problem comes from the fact that since he has started contributing, there has been little to no attempt to sort him or analyze his content, and I think Lucatown would take a look at some of the things that are off in his ISO instead of just giving him a free pass.- AaronFrost
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I didn't do that though? You pressed me because you thought I was being passive and cautious, so saying 'no u' would be me saying that I think YOU have been passive and cautious, which I am not accusing you of.In post 564, Luca Blight wrote:It's basically taking my point and saying 'no u'. It's a common scum tactic. Town do it as well, but it certainly isn't Town-indicative imo.- AaronFrost
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Although I kind of agree with this, I tend to get worried that I'm being pocketed whenever people overly townread me.In post 575, Luca Blight wrote:
Seriously, your apparent confidence that Frost is Town based on the above is disturbing to me.In post 573, Ame wrote:
If you want to admit that your perfect record on Aaron is now broken, I'll drop itIn post 571, Luca Blight wrote:And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.
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Wouldn't him being more cautious and not pushing the read be scum indicative then? Like if I'm Lucascum who's noticing that townclidd is willing to locktown me based off of almost nothing, then that's someone I'd try to keep alive to give myself extra armor.In post 589, clidd wrote:No, he would be more cautious. The correct move here, socially speaking, would be to further question my motivations for believing in him and, probably, start a wagon based on the oscillation present in the numerical factor of my activity. This would be done almost automatically, if he had a scum mindset. However, as I was able to observe, he preferred to reveal this aspect and seems to accept, temporarily, my existence for the time being, when he could be building associations out of the read he got from recycling and citing my two scums games. The scenario in which he is taking advantage of this does not come to my mind, and I do not intend to review this position.
Also since you never confirmed one way or the other (unless you did and I missed it), do you hate playing scum? Why did you replace out of those two games?- AaronFrost
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I already talked about them hereIn post 609, dsjstr wrote:
I have to say I agree with this and I saw Luca as being town in the Luca/Aaron clash. Aaron was not fence sitting in his town game with me, but he did start the game slow and then quickly positioned players. Luca and Aaron can you share your thoughts on the flippy wagon. If you have already done so can you quote it for me.In post 571, Luca Blight wrote:And I think it's unreasonable that you're SR'ing me so strongly because I disagree on Frost.
insomnia I don't think you ever addressed this question
"given that you and flippy nips were both town in good jams, are you noticing any traits other than activity that feel different from that game?"- AaronFrost
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This is the kind of statement that I almost never expect to come from town!Luca nor was insomnia pushing a Luca/flippynips team. He said it was a TMI read which implies that you both can't be scum together.In post 612, Luca Blight wrote:\The close-mindedness of Insomnia’s Luca/Flips push is so lazy and terrible that he’s probably scum.- AaronFrost
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Why do you townread dsj? If you already answered this then I don't remember so could you link it to me if you did.In post 630, Luca Blight wrote:
I still TR Flips and dsjstr.In post 625, Ame wrote:Luca, what are your current reads?
I currently think scum is among Frost, Ame and Insomnia, but need to review Hectic who seemed off earlier. - AaronFrost
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