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[davesaz]

I guess we don't get a link to the game and have to find it via the menu. Good thing the menu is working.

[davesaz]

It's not unbiased though since you started it for some unknown reason. If your town fair enough, but it aint unbiased atleast.

Assuming i am a member of a 6 man scum team.
That changes the likelihood down to 12.5% chance we lynch scum. (Assuming i did not vote a partner)
Still not terrible odds.

I know I'll have trouble finding this again, so quoting it. No, I don't know yet if it's AI.

[davesaz]

First things first: I HATE Day 1. It's the worst part of the game and I usually try to get by without posting a single time in this day phase. So if someone could lolhammer as SOON a possible, that's be very helpful.

Hmm, this doesn't match the first game I played with you at all. You posted a gazillion wiki things in that game D1.

[davesaz]

does day play matter when there are 16 killing roles?

I don't think you're interpreting the setup right.

[davesaz]

I think i've been pretty clear with why I scum read him. maybe read my posts?

That's not exactly what I would describe as efficient hunting.

Nero is more likely than not town based on the previous couple of pages.
I don't disagree with your characterization.

[davesaz]

Even I agree with that and I have a ton of meta with Seth. Mind explaining?

I've lost track of who Seth is. Please use player names, thanks.

[davesaz]

I thought for sure people would be posting more in between my catch up posts. Apparently I arrived at the tail end of the 10 page burst.
Faction Ratio is 37:6:6:1. I saw a traitor tell. If there is a traitor (or two for balance) how does that affect the published ratio?

[davesaz]

@insomnia, how would you know for sure that it's overconfidence?

[davesaz]

@TSE:
Threatening to replace out is against the rules.
If you actually did PM the mod to replace out, you should stop posting.

[davesaz]

Fingers itching to vote Hectic for the lie.

[davesaz]

Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.

I disapprove equally of hyperposting and hyperghosting.
VOTE: gobble
to generate some discussion

[davesaz]

Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.

he was town that game, doesn't that mean he is somewhat likely to be scum here?

I have an insufficient sample size to make this observation AI.
It's possible that he does a gimmick every game and "hate d1" is just this game's gimmick. But I really don't know.

[davesaz]

Oh ... and the fact that you are, as you so helpfully pointed out "...one of the only people in the entire game who has given reads..." is kind of the point. There's a reason basically nobody else is giving big reads lists in a FIFTY PLAYER GAME in the first 15 pages.

@Nero - Help me chase this down. You see what I see. Let's do this.

Making a note that I agree in principle with what Drixx is saying.
I've been made to look foolish in the past for failing to notice a joke of this kind.
Question to the player Drixx is talking to/about here (k something?) - is it a joke?

[davesaz]

@MOD: Is TSE actually replacing out? It isn't mentioned in the vote counts

[davesaz]

VOTE: gobbledygook
to make the automated counter happy

[davesaz]

Ha, it actually took the vote before. Doesn't hurt to be sure though lol.

[davesaz]

I just didn't see enough content to justify those reads.

Please point out the reads you're referring to.

[davesaz]

@garmr, if it's convenient for you to do so, it would help to trim down the things you quote to reduce the size of the pyramid.
I know, easy enough to skip on reads, unless the reader is on mobile.

[davesaz]

The wheels from NC and KM. The one's me and NC are debating.

What's the meaning of wheel here?

I see some huge differences between NC's and KM's lists, and there are also differences in their play.

[davesaz]

TSE, please read this thread

[davesaz]

Here's a game where Hectic was way different D1.

I disapprove equally of hyperposting and hyperghosting.
VOTE: gobble
to generate some discussion

How often have you played with Hectic dave? What discussion do you hope to generate with a gobble vote?

3-4 of my most recent games, though one of them was hydra and therefore doesn't weigh as much.

Discussion on whether it's ok to post essentially "I'm not going to post". (hint -- it's not)

[davesaz]

I figure the "who do you play with" question will keep coming up so here's the list.

Spoiler: list

Lots and/or recently
Elsa Jay
Nero Cain
Chemist1422
Garmr
pisskop
Almost50
The Fonz
profii
Amrun
Egix96
AaronFrost
Something_Smart
gobbledygook
Pink Ball

Average
BBMolla
Drixx
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic
Pine
bob3141
Not Known 15
Rhinox
insomnia
TrueSoulEnergy
EeveeLution Army
Jackal711
tictac
Emperor FlippyNips

Few/Never (unless they're aliases I don't recognize)
DrDolittle
Kirari Momobami
Uncrowned
Dolly Parton
UltimatePlank
kagesong
Jamelia
Cat Scratch Fever
QuantumQuasar
dsjstr
SausasaurusRex
Non Imh
eth0s
Black Ranger
Golden Robster
NotAJumbleOfNumbers
hersho
ar98mubarik
clidd
VaultDweller
Yiley

[davesaz]

Reminder to myself that I missed a bunch of stuff in pre-edits, and it's dinner time. Read between my last 2 posts.

[davesaz]

Ima post this again in case it wasn’t seen.

Once is more than enough.

[davesaz]

Why do you want external validation?

[davesaz]

Why do you want external validation?

I’m self conscious and often doubt myself

Thanks for sharing. I was asking TSE.

[davesaz]

Drixx / BR / Garmr / tictac

Can all get vig’d

I disagree on Drixx and tictac.

[davesaz]

I could do a Dolly Parton wagon too.

So you're not going to be useless?
UNVOTE:

[davesaz]

You know the two scum teams should try and shoot for other scum or people that scum read me. If you shoot enough people that scum read me you can like set me up as mislynch and fuck over the other team since they are more dangerous than town. So aim for scummy people that scum read me you can't lose.

This is weird.

[davesaz]

tictac's focusing on a silly thing that never catches wolves but he attempts to make it look like it does

Making myself a note to look back at this.

[davesaz]

yeah but you didn't ask chem if he knew wake, you shaded him for it. was there a question that I missed?

if it was such a concern that chemist would be an opportunistic scum, why brush it off instead of interrogating?

This post looks towny.

[davesaz]

I think I'd be okay leaving tictac on the list. Why wouldn't you?

I saw some things on first reading that seemed townish for tictac compared to meta, but I've already made myself a note to read again given how others viewed the same material.

[davesaz]

In a way I fucking hate all of you right now. I try to actually scum hunt and post to keep discussion and content up and I get scum read because of it. I'm not even in a lynchable position at the momment I'm just ticked i'm not being taken seriously.


Hasn't anyone noticed that the popular opinion is to go yeah garmr scum. But a majority of them have no reasoning or the reasoning is out of place. It makes me think if scum are unsure if i'm actually scum or town but want to keep me in a as a possibility despite the lack of real reasoning.

Your usefulness to town, when you are town, will improve once you lower the sensitivity level a little. Maybe it's weak self-esteem? Hide your feelings a bit more and you may be more successful. Of course if I'm on the wrong track that's fine, I don't mean to back you into a corner.

[davesaz]

The hood does not have a list of people with access to it. It actually says the opposite.

Please confirm you're saying the hood specifically says you don't know who all has access?

[davesaz]

Hey all.

There's nothing I hate more than Day 1. If you gave me the option of playing a neutral hated survivor, or Day 1, I'd pick the survivor every single time. I'll be taking notes in the background for now. Someone should let me know when we enter Day 2.

Observing for now.

Honestly I think Hectic is scummy because this is the second time he's brought this up and now it feels like he's covering for lack of content

yeeah. supes hard to believe ya wouldn't know 'wake on day 1' post when ya see one.

Question for Drixx and insomnia (I think? Or was there someone else who focused on this post?):
I assume this is the post that bothers you? How well do you know tictac?
Spoiler alert -- sarcasm is NAI from tictac. It's a signature part of tictac style.

Question for tictac:
Aren't you making a slight leap that Hectic knows Wake? There are lots of people who hate d1.

Analysis:
There actually is a reason to scumlean tictac here. Also reminder to myself that I have evidence regarding the question to tictac that I'm choosing to delay for now.

Note to self: Keep an eye on hectic. There is more to his posting than obvious on a casual read.

[davesaz]

I'd really like to know why TSE wanted external validation that the role matters.
I know what it felt like to me.

[davesaz]

oh hey.

im also a miller.

Also as in, you just forgot to mention? Or as in you think there is another one?

[davesaz]

The exquisite level of detail in the miscellaneous section of the rules post makes me think that this is a kitchen sink game.

[davesaz]

That feels like town A50. Obviously preliminary.

[davesaz]

<tries to remember Wake's position on neighborhoods -- don't know if it was him or someone else who hates 'em>
Pre-designed game? I can't remember offhand lol.

[davesaz]

PK confscum. Hmmm

What's this mean?

[davesaz]

Conversely, why are my reads on page 12-13 not going to be "because I read their posts"?

I certainly would expect it to have something to do with their posts.
What you seem to not be doing is saying why the posts give you that read.
The why is what matters. It's almost the only thing that matters.

[davesaz]

I'm not the one claiming to have a high number of reads. And you don't get to reverse the question like that.
It's midnight:30 for me and past time to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.

[davesaz]

I'm not the one claiming to have a high number of reads. And you don't get to reverse the question like that.
It's midnight:30 for me and past time to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.

Yes I do

You're making a bad faith argument and discouraging people from giving reads

Nope! I'm commenting on a conversation that's going on between a couple of other players. Nowhere does that discourage people from having reads. If anything it encourages explanations.

I have given explanations for every read asked of me in good faith

Maybe you have. I had difficulty finding the explanations you're referring to and didn't remember coming across any during normal reading, but as I said it was after midnight.

So now I want your reads with explanations since you decided to take a lazy pot shot at me

You posted this after I said I was going to sleep. Thanks for paying attention to RL limitations.

[davesaz]

Reads list:

Probably a combination of joke and real. Definitely not like Dolly Parton's list. I'm in catchup mode so not looking too closely.

[davesaz]

I'm not the one claiming to have a high number of reads. And you don't get to reverse the question like that.
It's midnight:30 for me and past time to sleep. Maybe tomorrow.

Yes I do

You're making a bad faith argument and discouraging people from giving reads

I have given explanations for every read asked of me in good faith

So now I want your reads with explanations since you decided to take a lazy pot shot at me

VOTE: dave

pop ins to complain about impressions and reads = you can get voted

No you haven't. I asked in good faith.

PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS WHENEVER I FLIP.

To be fair, I think Kirari is saying she wants to discuss individual reads instead of blanket statements.
Easy fix for that is to ask about each read separately.

Still in catchup mode.

[davesaz]

What is fake about me calling Pisskop’s Miller claim scum?

———

VOTE: Dolly Parton

Why is the sole Miller claim in-thread confirmed scum?

Because it’s Pisskop.

You could expand on this a little.
Do you think Pisskop would claim miller as scum?
Or is this a you vs Pisskop thing regardless of the claim?

[davesaz]

@Drixx, I probably would have shot you. I would have shot the most likely scum candidate fmpov. In order to have you live to lylo, all of my other suspects would have to be lynched. I play to win and play friendly but I don't directly decide who wins based on friendship (unless a cognitive bias does that). So TDLR, it depends but likely you.

Not sure how this other game stuff helps this game.

[davesaz]

Prodding hersho, Golden Robster, UltimatePlank, clidd, QuantumQuasar, BBMolla, ar98mubarik, eth0s, Non lmh, and Emperor flippyNips. Come on guys.

To he fair, you should've expected having to prod that many people in a 50p, lel. Exactly 1/5 the player list, lol.

BBMolla being prodded is pretty unfair unless the timer is 24 hours.

[davesaz]

Titus is a shorter name than TSE's so is easier to vote.

eyy. coolio.
VOTE: Titus

to be clear: loud-foo not gonna exist in 50p game cause it's annoying to mod and mechanically too uninteresting to bother.
Also, it's easy as pie to claim roleblocked tomorrow, so why

not

claim it as scum.

Ok yup tictac is scum. Willing to vote there too.

Starting to lean that way. Initially I thought town but this feels like not-town motivation. However I have to remember not to assign my mechanical proficiency to others.

[davesaz]

So can you tell me what you're trying to accomplish here S_S? You're engaging with me pretty heavily in an attempt to defend KM here ... but I've managed basically no traction there while one of the other things I pointed out today is a viable wagon. Like ... I would like to understand what you're trying to accomplish here.

- get inside your head so I can understand and hopefully read you better

- understand exactly why you think KM is scum so I can either join your push or try to convince you to weaken your read, depending on whether I agree with your reasoning (and it seems pretty shaky right now).

I think this is two town talking. The purpose of the discussion is obviously to increase understanding of each other and their reads.

[davesaz]

why do you think I want to take time to explain my initial gut takes on the 17 people I do have reads on when those reads are constantly shifting?

I was going to point out another post that mentioned gut.
If it's gut then just say so when you're asked about it. Easy fix.
People do have gut reads, and they can be pretty good ones. For example, I think A50 is town based on tone and topic of his posts, without going into relevance / correctness at all.

[davesaz]

you guys need to stop being bad and either vote profil, BR or Amrun.

I might get a chance to check for myself later, but have you said why?
Amrun is practically identical to two other recent games as town. This game is young and I'd need something specific to look at.
No real opinion on profii or BR. Doubt I've seen many posts from either.

[davesaz]

there are 13 scum in this game. Town

SHOULD

be casting a wide net.

Identifying people who might be scum is cool, but I think part of the message is that we'll have to choose one to lynch.

[davesaz]

Tictac

Just to confirm, your read on chemist is a serious one? Can you explain it?

yes. push on Hectic for reasonig that I believe to be fake. (the Wake thing, which I believe Chem would recognize having co modded a game in which wakes day1 behaviour was a point of contention).

Also, do you have history (the negative kind, not meta) with A50?

i mean those two things are the same.
A50 has extensive meta as lying town, which makes him my preferred policy. I mentioned the fact as a joke, cause I don't actually believe such a policy is in any way achievable here.

Good, I can now ask a question on this.
How would you know if Hectic knows Wake? Isn't it a pretty big stretch to assume that he is memeing the mod and not just some random player who also hates d1?

[davesaz]

How did she get such a clear insight into titus’ head just from her saying 2 scum reads?

Nero’s point makes a lot more reasonable an assumption to make than what amrun’s saying. How did she conclude that unless she went from the premise of Titus town?

In hindsight this can actually spew titus town if amrun is scum, or at least they’re not on the same team for sure for sure

From what I can remember Amrun's post reflects a more straightforward and logical interpretation.

[davesaz]

"If I'm replacing in as town and am the leading wagon then I might be the counterwagon to scum" isn't as wild a thought as you make it seem, although it does happen to mirror wolfy survivalism so I don't really know why amrun is choosing one interpretation over the other unless she strongly feels titus is town for other reasons

Gdi I swore I switched that time

Not that big an assumption given slightly under 75% are town.

[davesaz]

I've looked at Profii's ISO. And while i don't see much reason to outright believe he is town. I'd prefer putting tictacs vote on TSE and Black Ranger's supposed weird hood playstyle under more scrutiny. They are scummier.

just in case you didn't get my point why I think profii is scummy for having more town reads than scum reads. There are 37 town, a second scum team of 6 and a SK. That's effectively 44 town. He can call practically the entire game town and be mostly right. Town reading is a low key pocket. He's scum but ok.

This might be true if we're in singleball, but in multiball scum genuinely have to scumhunt too and probably have more incentive to do so to fulfill their wincon. Why would it make sense for scum to try and pocket someone when their goal is to eliminate the other scum team?

I'm not sleep deprivation, but I'll put some effort into analyzing this.

In SB, scum have to go out of their way to find town to scumread, usually needing to buck the trend on at least a few of them. It is harder for scum to generate scumreads than it is for town, in SB. For townreads, SB scum are essentially 100% certain of a townread (at least in absence of a 3p). For town!me in SB games, this translates to scumreading people who have either too few scumreads / groups of people they're unwilling to entertain scumreading, or too many very strong townreads for unclear reasons. Scumreads with no conviction are another clue.

In MB, scum can feel free to actively scumhunt because finding other!scum is a win-win for them -- it eliminates competition (good as long as 2nd team stays alive) and makes them look towny. They have to be careful not to go overboard on town reading people because it will create false positive associations from town's point of view, and identify themselves as pocketing other!scum from the scum point of view. For town!me this means that strong scumhunters can't be locktown in a MB, and people who are disinterested and can't get traction in the game are more likely to be bad!town than weak!scum.

I think this makes Nero's case (few townreads) quite a bit weaker. It means that AF's main point (which to me the point of the post is that MB scum are scumhunting) is true but sorta irrelevant as a rebuttal. I don't think 1597 is very good as evidence for scum!AF. It's probably more NAI.

[davesaz]

I think I flipped Nero's case in that post -- it's too few scumreads.

[davesaz]

How you expect pinecone to solve this? Hand over a paper with the player list and the ones that are drooled/crayoned on are scum?
<I forget how old the tyke is so trying to include as many potential ages as possible lol>

[davesaz]

So if Nancy posted on all of her alts by the time she was done would you forget who she was?

I resemble this remark.

[davesaz]

His name is blue. Let him use his blue powers or something.

Spoiler: sad when a joke has to be explained

Pinecone is nickname for Pine's kid.

[davesaz]

dave, why aren't you voting? do you normally have trouble finding a home for your vote?

I'm often/usually a 2 ears 1 mouth type.

[davesaz]

I have X number of scum reads. I do think I'm right but it's numerically possibly that I could be wrong. Fonz saying that I will be right on some of them is a slip, no?

Probability wise, the odds of being wrong on all of them is surprisingly low and goes down with number of reads, or conversely the odds of being right on at least one goes up with number of reads. So trying to read knowledge into what Fonz was saying is incorrect, he's right from a pure math point of view and it doesn't require knowledge of anyone's alignment to say that.

[davesaz]

Actually, it only requires basic reading comprehension and know that Titus hadn’t read the game at that point, which she is not only well known for, but explicitly said.

I agree, Titus tends not to read when subbing in.

[davesaz]

I vaguely remember seeing some talk of votes outside major wagons as being useless.
I disagree on that point, this far away from deadline. Early day is for sorting and votes help with sorting.

VOTE: SausasaurusRex
I see elevated levels of caution and evasiveness, which are good early game scum indicators.

[davesaz]

At the bottom of 74. Dolly looks horrible if it happened in real time -- 8 minute gap means time to think about it.
Will have to think about the claim. Including novice makes it more plausible. However would mafia have a tracker to find PRs instead of a rolecop?
Was going to say lots of pages to read but noticed it's only 5. That might be doable if I don't get tons of interrupts.

[davesaz]

Bottom of 75, in 1874 gobble enumerates how I was feeling about Dolly's read list.

[davesaz]

At the bottom of 74. Dolly looks horrible if it happened in real time -- 8 minute gap means time to think about it.
Will have to think about the claim. Including novice makes it more plausible. However would mafia have a tracker to find PRs instead of a rolecop?
Was going to say lots of pages to read but noticed it's only 5. That might be doable if I don't get tons of interrupts.

So much for thinking there might not be interrupts.

[davesaz]

Just mod kill every slot that needs to be replaced

Not allowed. Remains to be seen if there is fallout in ultra large games from not being able to get replacements.
Though it does put the onus on town to put the hammer down when needed.

[davesaz]

HeyBBMolla! Hey BBMolla! (don't know if he's searching one word or two lol)
I'm going to go slightly out on a limb here and say that Wake is using the strict definition of "contributing".
That means that prod dodging isn't ok. Actual content that advances the game is required.

I think I'll leave my vote where it is. I'd like to see how Rex responds to the wagon staying post claim. Not like there is serious danger of a quicklynch.

I'm not opposed to the BR wagon. I don't have a strong read on tictac either way. I think Titus is town, and Drixx is probably town too but that's slightly weaker having seen some of the later discussion.

For the record, since I've mentioned how tracker could be scum's rolecop. BG can be scum's doctor, meaning Titus's role has to be somewhat suspect. I TR Titus anyway without the role, and I trust myself to notice if she starts scumtelling.

[davesaz]

We are not killing Titus because she has the Loud modifier. We can leash her kills in a subgroup and they can claim if she targeted one of them.

We're not lynching her because she's town.
Not sure what you mean by leashing her kills. Maybe you meant leashing her bodyguards?

[davesaz]

So I wonder if there are scum in the naked vote sheeple?

[davesaz]

Is this a real question?

It's as real as any question that's aimed at discovering more info.
How people respond to it is equally or more important than the substance.

[davesaz]

I was thinking more along the lines of one post that was more than the boilerplate holler if you need me thing. But I'm fine with the funny result.
Failed to anticipate that Wake was just taking the vote counter's word for things on who needs prods. Activity overview is just as easy and completely bulletproof.

My mind is a little blown after going shopping and seeing certain shelves

completely

empty. Normally it's unusual here to even have a single item be out of stock. Whole categories???

[davesaz]

I'm at the bottom of 97.
Scum slip discussion again, my favorite.

[davesaz]

Making a note that I'm at the bottom of 105. It isn't locked so maybe that wasn't a hammer?

[davesaz]

I don't have a strong read on tictac either way.

@Black Ranger: Tictac dodged my question about assuming that Hectic knows Wake, which moved the read back to "not exactly null but still very much in between". Not a strong read. That's called re-evaluating reads as things change.

Someone correctly pointed out that I'm like this when I'm busy. I actually worked all 10+ hours today, plus looked up arrangements to possibly get my daughter back from college while that's still possible, plus scheduled a garage door replacement so that the thing won't break and crush someone who happens to be standing there, plus I don't know what else.

[davesaz]

At bottom of 119. I'm willing to ride this train.

VOTE: Jackal711

[davesaz]

1) It’s a god damn 50 player game
2) Wake already said he’s not making the VCs up, he has a program, he just copy pastes the result of it. It’s literally in the OP.

That program reminds him who hasn't posted each time he runs it.

[davesaz]

vote count machine catch if a player was hammered and then votes shuffled around again prior to the next votecount

When I've used it, it did catch hammers and report them.

[davesaz]

Not seeking replacement for BBMolla. Auto-votecounter incorrectly stated BBMolla had not posted when he did.

[davesaz]

Retraction: maybe it's MathBlade's vote counter that gives prod range info. This one is only noting who hasn't posted at all apparently, assuming that was a c/p of the vote counter output.

[davesaz]

Why?

Why me = Fry me

scum

I'm asking why to see what your thought process is and to sort you

I asked why, not why me.

The mindset here feels town to me.

[davesaz]

Bad vote molla.

I was joining in the whole bandwagon of wasting votes

Just following the crowd brother

Was it really wasted? And why choose that type of vote?

[davesaz]

Will this be the game where I think bored creature -> scum creature, and I'm right?

[davesaz]

Elsa Jay seems to be lacking an agenda. It's a bit preliminary, time will tell whether this is AI or not.

[davesaz]

Unfortunately I have no idea who Rex is, and can't use that information because I don't know who you are either.

[davesaz]

My vig CC was p clear here guys.

Wouldn't be surprised to have multiple of a role, in a 50p.
But is there a CC? I don't remember seeing it. TBH I don't remember seeing much. Spent 1.5 hours on a Costco run today.

[davesaz]

My vig CC was p clear here guys.

Wouldn't be surprised to have multiple of a role, in a 50p.
But is there a CC? I don't remember seeing it. TBH I don't remember seeing much. Spent 1.5 hours on a Costco run today.

This checks out, via comparison with Boon game. I'll TR chkflip on this alone.

[davesaz]

Rex doesnt look the same as his prior town game but for now he could potentialy eat a nigth kill if he is scum.

This one is a bit of a stretch. Why are you interested in Rex being self-resolving? Do you have some alternative in mind?

[davesaz]

I can see that math is Hectic's strong suit.

VOTE: tictac

[davesaz]

At this point just cull all the people complaining about a BR lynch not happening

We've been able to get another wagon just fine

No point at all complaining about it, especially when it's simply bad anyways

Especially when there is an alignment which has good reason to want to eliminate vigs.

[davesaz]

The even night is interesting. Neither of the others said there was a qualifier. It's reasonable to think that things like even/odd/non-consecutive etc would be prevalent in a 50p.

[davesaz]

Yeah i'm also vig, deffos self resolving ez

VOTE: tic tok

Can't have the space for it to count on the tool that Wake is using.

[davesaz]

Oh yeah Hectic didn't take my vote move into account.

Guys. I beg you. Please don't kill the vigilante claims yet. We need them for later, or atleast so they can cull the game so it doesn't get to day 20 or something.

And this is also still me asking for any protections of any type to be on me. So please do that too.

... Hmm. Maybe you took this as me retracting that. But a better question then.

If I was to be guarded by other TPs such as an Alien who would stop your visit to me... Why not go to someone who was more garunteed to notice you? To confirm your Loud Modifier?

I'll be interested to see how this plays out, but Elsa Jay is assuming Titus would assume there exists another doc-type role or alien/rolestop etc.

[davesaz]

... Is that unlikely in a 50p game with atleast 5 different killing roles, Dave?

The point is not whether there are or are not. The point is whether a player with the role plays it like someone else is going to cover it.

Tell you what, let me ask a question I'm sure you guys are more knowledgeable of then me in.

Does a Doctor heal multiple kills? Does an Alien and/or Rolestopper block multiple kills? Jailkeeper too for that matter.

Answer that for me and I think I know what my theory could be.

The default for protections is one unless the role states 'all'. The default for JK is all other actions targeting / made by the target other than kills.

Before you go off half-cocked, it's generally accepted that killers of all types avoid going after people who ask for protection, since they value the kill enough to not bother hoping the protection won't be there. With the exception of strongmen of course who don't care.

Jackel the lurker would have been prime targeting material for all 4 possible kinds of kills.
There are enough such targets that it's extremely unlikely that they all randomly picked the same lurker.

[davesaz]

Jackel the lurker would have been prime targeting material for all 4 possible kinds of kills.

Like I disagree with this, why would scum shoot a lurker?

It's MB, and not their team. Reasonable odds of shooting other team.
In SB it would be to deny info, though I agree there would likely be other higher priorities.

[davesaz]

I think a middle ground between hurrying and taking our time is fine.

[davesaz]

Reminder to myself that I wanted to post a site idea about "post the goddamn thing and quit giving me pedits" button.

[davesaz]

Read Drixx ISO, posts starting today

[davesaz]

@garmr when something like this happens, you don't mention it at all in the thread and PM the mod instead.

[davesaz]

I think PenguinPower specifically said not to discuss it.

[davesaz]

I'm pretty lost on all the references to numbers. There's a player with "numbers" in their name and one whose name has some digits, and who knows how many else that nickname might apply to.

I don't see any of the scumtells I would normally pick up from Titus.

[davesaz]

I don't see any of the scumtells I would normally pick up from Titus.

What scum tells?

If she knows what they are, she might know how to avoid them being tells.

[davesaz]

If everyone disagrees with your scumreads, you need to be better at reading.

[davesaz]

Who agrees with them? Anyone?

[davesaz]

fair. Who u wanna lynch?

Gotta be honest here, I don't know offhand. I popped in at midnight my time after having not spent a lot of time on this today. Maybe tomorrow.

[davesaz]

@Pengu:

All I ask is you prioritize the older slots first like first come first serve basis. That's a weird request, but if the Drixx slot skips the line imma be pissed.

It has been my understanding as a mod that first out first in (replacing the oldest vacancy first) is mandatory.

[davesaz]

My current don't lynch list:

chkflip
Elsa Jay
Nero Cain
BBMolla
Drixx
Hectic
Pine
pisskop
Almost50
davesaz
Cat Scratch Fever
insomnia
Titus
The Fonz
profii
Gamma Emerald
Amrun
Alyssa the Lamb
AaronFrost
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
gobbledygook
Pink Ball

[davesaz]

I don't feel like I did anything wrong and I don't know why Drixx is so angry.

You have a tendency to push things that the target considers to be misreps.
When shown that you have the facts wrong you double down on the incorrect interpretation instead of accepting your view is incorrect.
For a logical person like me this is incredibly infuriating. I might misread someone's emotion, fail to notice manipulative behavior, get many things wrong. But my logic is

never

wrong provided I have the correct facts^*. And messing with the timeline is messing with logic.
I suspect Drixx is the same type with respect to logic. At least that's what I have observed.

^*You may find me at times as scum using logic correctly, from the facts as they are known, to push an ultimately wrong conclusion. Garbage in garbage out as they say.

[davesaz]

Didn't know I was playing with Vulcans.

Vulcans wouldn't get angry about it.

There are times I think I'm playing with Klingons.

[davesaz]

If he's not shot he needs to be flipped @ some point.

Like when we have 30+ claims of equal value, or 20- players?

[davesaz]

If he's not shot he needs to be flipped @ some point.

Like when we have 30+ claims of equal value, or 20- players?

IDK.

Why is he town? or at least not on ur no lynch list?

I read his posts, and think he's town. It matches the town him I remember, I see no inconsistencies in what he's posted, it just looks town. He claimed to have shot scum, and yeah I get that it's MB but MB scum don't shoot their top scumread night 1, they shoot top town reads and hope to lynch their top scum reads.

[davesaz]

Well, maybe not top town reads given the likely presence of protection, but among the townreads at least.

[davesaz]

You asked, I answered. Can't speak for anyone else...

[davesaz]

I don't mind using neighborhoods as information, but I'm wary of over-reliance on them.

[davesaz]

Hi game

Please convince me you're not scum coasting here.

[davesaz]

Any thoughts on people who are here but brazenly doing nothing, like Rhinox?

[davesaz]

I think it's likely that active people will be sorted at night.

Pedit: Read some of my games and you'll see that people not doing anything is a recurrent theme.

[davesaz]

I'm willing to consider AF despite what I may or may not have said previously in my don't lynch list. I see something interesting there.
I'd like to hear gobble's reason first, as a way to continue sorting gobble.

Regarding Ar98, you can get info from almost any lynch. Even if the info is merely knowing who opposes it, and from keeping someone else around longer to get more info from them.

[davesaz]

tictac (27): SausasaurusRex, Non lmh, Not Known 15, RCEnigma, Black Ranger, Hectic, NorwegianboyEE, bob3141,

Amrun

, clidd, chkflip, DrDolittle, AaronFrost, Pine, Pink Ball, davesaz, profii, Alyssa The Lamb, VaultDweller, Garmr, Titus, pisskop, Drixx, Kirari Momobami, Egix96, Cat Scratch Fever, insomnia

Black Ranger (24): Drixx, Titus, insomnia, NorwegianboyEE, AaronFrost, Pink Ball, profii, Creature, The Fonz, VaultDweller, Pine, Garmr,

Amrun

, Not Known 15, Black Ranger, Hectic, Cat Scratch Fever, RCEnigma, BBmolla, gobbledygook, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, pisskop, DrDolittle (Lynch)

u don't get to talk to me ok?

Titus is still scum though.

Where are your votes? Putting people down for being on lynches is a scum move.

[davesaz]

She does have a point regarding your post count. I don’t think your push on Titus is scummy but I think pk has a point regarding you always having a vendetta against her. I’ve noticed your outlook on her overall is very negative.

What's her point regarding Nero's post count?

I think her point is that it's making the game hard to read/play.

That's totally the point. I'm keeping up largely by skimming all that stuff.

[davesaz]

QQ made a post that seemed to be freakishly TMI. It's not hard to find. I wouldn't mind a wagon there -- active lurkers with bizarre ISOs are a step above people who haven't posted at all.

[davesaz]

I have a q. Why is lynching AR, a emty slot that never posted,a better use of our lynch then an inactive slot that did post and has a little content?

If you have a good choice in mind, you could perhaps vote it?

[davesaz]

I have a q. Why is lynching AR, a emty slot that never posted,a better use of our lynch then an inactive slot that did post and has a little content?

If you have a good choice in mind, you could perhaps vote it?

I'm on a wagon that I'm ok with though I might need switch to AF or Rex if they overtake.

Why should I start a new wagon? And it's weird b/c you just fussed at me for "spamming" but you want me to try and build a new wagon from scratch?

Nah, I'm complaining about the incessant tunneling, not spamming. Though I must be fair and point out that you're simultaneously tunneling several obvtown and not just one.

[davesaz]

OOH, Gamma Emerald with the "squirrel" vote.

Spoiler: squirrel

By which I mean "someone mentioned a player I can vote so vote it". Kinda like a movie I saw one time. No I'm not calling GE a dog.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Aaron Frost

[davesaz]

who are the obvtown I am tunneling Dave?

Who are you tunneling? I think you know who I mean.

[davesaz]

I think you know who I mean.

no I don't. Stop being coy and answer the question.

Titus and Drixx.

[davesaz]

Having me as a scumread is laughable too, but at least you're not trying to tunnel.

[davesaz]

Drixx shot scum.
Titus protected someone she thought was a full on vig.
Both are obvtown.

You have a weird as fuck definition of not doing anything.

[davesaz]

You town reading ppl based solely on roles is weird and wrong.

I'm reading people based on their actions and what I think the motivation is behind those actions.
You (should) know that's what I always do.

[davesaz]

Note: in this post I'm using Nero's definitions of red and blue -- I don't remember which was which tbh. And I don't want to open another tab to check if he's trying to trap me with colors.

As someone as logical as you it seems off that you aren't even willing to consider that red sum shot KM. Are u red scum that knew you guys didn't shoot KM?

I think it's extremely unlikely that Drixx as red scum shot KM

and claimed it

. I also think that if Drixx were red scum, scum reading KM, that he'd bide his time and shoot someone he was town reading. You put way too much emphasis on scum trying to kill the other team early game. People who claim vig early typically are vig. SK maybe but in a 50p it's suicidal to claim even if you are full bp because you'll get lynched.

I actually think it's likely that red scum

also

shot KM, which is where one of the missing kills might have gone. I had a reasonably strong TR on KM and I think it's likely that other people did too. It's not at all implausible to think that red scum thought KM would be a town leader and popped her.

As for other reasons the number of kills was less than we'd expect, it's extremely anti-town to go into that. Let's not discuss it at all thanks.

[davesaz]

OOH, Gamma Emerald with the "squirrel" vote.

Spoiler: squirrel

By which I mean "someone mentioned a player I can vote so vote it". Kinda like a movie I saw one time. No I'm not calling GE a dog.

Isn’t that scummy? If not, then what are you trying to say?

Do you want it to be scummy?

[davesaz]

I think you know who I mean.

no I don't. Stop being coy and answer the question.

Titus and Drixx.

How is Drixx “obvtown”?

When I read his posts, I think he's obviously coming from a town motivation.
Also see my recent response to Nero regarding how he played his role.

[davesaz]

I'm absolutely fine with lynching an active lurker, if we all work together to lynch the same active lurker.

[davesaz]

Creature scum is a distinct possibility.
It's a target rich environment.

[davesaz]

I'm absolutely fine with lynching an active lurker, if we all work together to lynch the same active lurker.

Why the caveat?

Don't want 10 wagons of 3 each. That's worse than useless.

[davesaz]

The people I hard townbinned were town, and the few that I strongly suspected were scum.
Nowhere near a solve, but I'm pretty darn satisfied with that.

Shocked that Drixx wasn't even a joat. That's about the only over the top lie I've ever seen from him. Or at least I don't remember any.

[davesaz]

Not reacting would help a lot too. I know that's hard for most people...