lange nonal 227 OHHH!!!! OHHH!!!!! ITS OVER OHHHHHH!!!! OHHH

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popopopo can you back that vote up with some logic? otherwise its just hurtful.

ok so from the setup: "there are only town and mafia." since we know there are only two factions, why dont we all just claim what faction we are a part of? that would really help to clarify where we stand and who we should be lynching. I'm mafia.

VOTE: madonna. i dont believe that youre the real madonna.

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VOTE: Madonna. Madonna is town. and isnt even the real madonna. im pretty sure. can we lynch this?

@stanley: any relation to lord stanley? and your vote is the third on my wagon. any particular reason you're trying so hard to stroke my ego?

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ahh votato is team town thats all i can say i'm team town to

Ah real content.
Why are you proclaiming Votato as being a member of team town when considering the minuscule amount of real content so far? What is it based on?

yeah i scum claimed. and you town read me for that? whats a guy gotta do to get scum read?

[votato]

i know that hoctac is capable of posting in coherent english. im not sure why it isnt happening here.

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@stanley: any relation to lord stanley? and your vote is the third on my wagon. any particular reason you're trying so hard to stroke my ego?

idk who that is :// but your post was the first thing to stand out to me

ok, what stood out? which of my posts?

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ok so norwee felt a little defensive in that quote 2 posts ago i had, that's why i thought it was shady but UNVOTE: norwe

ok now that youre speaking english, care to explain your gibberish earlier? not entirely convinced by your rapid backtrack. if youre so sure that hes scum that youre gonna vote him, it seems unlikely that youd be convinced to back off by a single response without asking any follow up

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ok, what stood out? which of my posts?

this one, its try harding:

popopopo can you back that vote up with some logic? otherwise its just hurtful.

ok so from the setup: "there are only town and mafia." since we know there are only two factions, why dont we all just claim what faction we are a part of? that would really help to clarify where we stand and who we should be lynching. I'm mafia.

VOTE: madonna. i dont believe that youre the real madonna.

i scumclaimed in that post. and you think im tryharding? and trying is scummy?

[votato]

hmm the game title is misspelled, and hoctac starts spelling everything wrong. clearly there are some posting restrictions here, right? is that perhaps the flavor of the game?

[votato]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... estriction

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hes probably just vt trolling if i had to guess

Weird of you to bring up that you specifically believe he was vanilla town trolling. Don’t you think his push on me was weird?

i think you're weird. fucking norwegian.

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dnt thread thin; dnt mix nationalities and insults on the same sentence. it goes against the site rules, even as a joke.

that was directed to norwee. he understands that he should be ashamed.

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Procrastinating from my schoolwork AMA

are you scum?

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VOTE: word

because why not

dont like this vote at all.

[votato]

its not a very good meme.

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how close is word to a lynch here? fairly close yeah? his post is scummy. but i dunno if its wagon-this-big scummy.

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how close is word to a lynch here? fairly close yeah? his post is scummy. but i dunno if its wagon-this-big scummy.

And where exactly do you wish to focus if you want people off Word321?

I didnt say that i want people off word. Im just concerned about the number of bad votes on that wagon

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you checked that meta pretty fast there bud

[votato]

VOTE: word

because why not

dont like this vote at all.

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mmm, i think i like the manatee wagon better than the madonna wagon. VOTE: manatee

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Word wagon continues to confuse me.

VOTE: Nadhia

why nadhia out of the people on the word wagon?

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but madonna never says word is scummy, never points to a post of word's or gives a reason why he thinks word is scummy, he just hops on with the reason that "noone is in dire straits". so i think you are misrepresenting madonna's position as being on a "good wagon on a scummy individual", because madonna never makes the case that it's a good wagon. i agree with word that madonna's was easily the weakest vote on his wagon.

If word said that madonna's vote is easily the weakest vote on his wagon, that's scummy in itself because my vote was as weak if not weaker. As such, I'm okay with leaving it on word.

you're just upset that there isnt a wagon on you yet arent you

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Nahdia (): gobbledygook is that an error?

[votato]

trecko = hoctac

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how are people so bad at typing? do your keyboards not come with backspace keys?

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If we can't find any better alternative i suggest we wagon the person with the worst spelling and work our way upwards until the game only has perfection.

i still think we are better off lynching all norwegians first. i've literally never seen you play town.

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Why are you still joking like it is RVS

does this post mean you're gonna start deathtunneling me now?

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because i know midway. he wants desperately to deathtunnel me. its in his nature. hes basically swedish.

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as ABR's chosen spokesperson (it was discussed in the scum PT that I would speak for ABR), this game is not worth jumping into yet because theres nothing to jump on. there hasnt been a halfway decent wagon yet. ABR might disagree about the word wagon, but the rest of us can see that its shit.

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as ABR's chosen spokesperson (it was discussed in the scum PT that I would speak for ABR), this game is not worth jumping into yet because theres nothing to jump on. there hasnt been a halfway decent wagon yet. ABR might disagree about the word wagon, but the rest of us can see that its shit.

Hey in that scum thread, did you decide this with a scum ABR or just did it on behalf of a town ABR? There are a lot of jokes to shrug off in this game, so I am not sure which is what you are saying.

yes

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i trust you ABR. i just dont think its a very good wagon. the scummiest thing madonna has done was that blackout spoiler. although it is basically lynch-worthy to be fair

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Votato, who are your current townreads?

ABR, hoctac, popopopo?, schadd_, gobble

[votato]

Votato, who are your current townreads?

ABR, hoctac, popopopo?, schadd_, gobble

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i've seen this odd posting from hoctac before. I guess maybe ill re-evaluate later. granted the pagetop thing is annoying and everyone who doesnt know how to use a keyboard/mildly proofread deserves to be lynched irl, but its not AI in-game. annoying != scum

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i've seen this odd posting from hoctac before. I guess maybe ill re-evaluate later. granted the pagetop thing is annoying and everyone who doesnt know how to use a keyboard/mildly proofread deserves to be lynched irl, but its not AI in-game. annoying != scum

What do you think about Bob's: "I make spelling mistakes only when i'm town. When i'm scum i proofcheck all of my posts" argument?

thats either a lie or a trust tell. either way bah.

abr, no i cannot.

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i've seen this odd posting from hoctac before. I guess maybe ill re-evaluate later. granted the pagetop thing is annoying and everyone who doesnt know how to use a keyboard/mildly proofread deserves to be lynched irl, but its not AI in-game. annoying != scum

What do you think about Bob's: "I make spelling mistakes only when i'm town. When i'm scum i proofcheck all of my posts" argument?

oh that was joke. That i make loads of typos (typos not spelling mistakes big difference) in my town games as i bang out the posts.

While my scum games because i heavily manipulate players particularly those who scum read me. I often read the posts several times to see what gets the desired effect.

And in one town game i got called out for catching typos so i started putting them back in lol. And adding them to my scum game posts


its not something that you can read into until after the game. So looking into that will not help you come to the glaringly obvioua conclusiln thati ime townn

if it was a joke then why are you providing a non-joke explanation?

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So looking into that will not help you come to the glaringly obvioua conclusiln thati ime townn

am i tripping or does anyone else think its pretty obvious bob misspelt all those words on purpose

yes

because that's how you get people to realize that you're joking

this is a joke? if so, well done.

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i would lightly prod you, popopo

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i reread the thread and this interaction stuck out to me. reads like 2 scum players lightly prodding it each othe

wdym by prodding? I know NDMath from a different site, so maybe that can explain it?

well when a man loves a woman very much....

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VOTE: midwaybear

why?

ABR: ive never seen you this playful before

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hey votato ur tring me for the weird posting alone or the actual content of my posts?

votato pls

hi

it was the style? i dunno i guess it was a silly. you're right. you're back in the null pile.

[votato]

you like playing with youthful scandinavian boys ABR?

[votato]

the fact that farside hasnt started pushing me yet tells me that farside is scum. farside always scumreads me.

[votato]

we will see. cuz im also scum this game

[votato]

is activity a tell for gobble? hes kinda lurking pretty hard and more active elsewhere on-site

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Did I say votato town yet? Because votato is town.

u claimed mason with him so yeah

i think gobbles claimed mason with someone else.

votato can you explain your townreads

abr why am i town to you?

tia

VOTE: midwaybear

gut. dont listen to my reads in the first 30-40 pages usually.

[votato]

^ this was a pretty silly wagon

[votato]

well schadd quadruple ninja'd me. i was commenting on ABR

[votato]

i blame midway

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I mean, where would you be looking for Nahdias teammates if you agree she is scummy and might flip scum here.

i'd be looking at norwee tbh. not even a meme.

[votato]

Mod: what's an alien do?

its a jailkeeper that protects from ALL night actions, not just killing ones. its a stronger JK.

also, i dont think that claim should be too shocking to anyone.

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didn't realize it was l-1. i wouldn't hammer without a claim. sorry bob :\

voyeur. hoctac was killed by a killing action (lol)

any modifiers on the role? why voyeur hoctac? other than the dad bod...

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Seems like such an unusual claim if Nahdia is scum. So i find it believable.

I don't think so, but I know my opinion this game will mean shit all.
Just as an aside, easy to claim because player is dead, any other claim and player was targeted by another PR leads to a lot of your dead to scum to nahdia.
But you can lead.

i mean even though nahdia died any other visit would still show up to a voyeur right? a cop would still get an innocent result right?

[votato]

norwee, farside, popopopo, and nahdia are top scum in the lynchpool atm. maybe midway too. i agree with abr that theres no reason to lynch nahdia today. i dont like midways counterwagon on norwee. im ok with voting midway, but unsure of VC.

[votato]

so midways town play is trash. this could totally come from town!midway. scum!midway is lurky and fluffy. but midway has also said that his scumgame has changed. and he knows that ive seen his scumgame. and his posts here are awful. i also think we get a lot of associations from a midway flip. but we shouldnt lynch there yet, thats a good deadline compromise.

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i can get behind a popopo wagon for sure.

midway if you dont wanna be roasted dont play like this, 'bro'

[votato]

abr is town

[votato]

abr what makes popopo town?

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we shouldnt lynch anyone other than nahdia today. regardless of what anyone makes of the claim, or however hard you scumread someone else, she should be lynched for hammering, no questions asked. letting nahdia continue into day 3 is such a ridiculous idea i cant believe its even being considered. if we end up taking this too far and end up in lylo with nahdia and it turns out by some crazy chance she is actually town then we're fucked. idc how you justify it , if youre a towny suggesting we dont lynch nahdia today then youre inting hard

let the big take care of it

[votato]

Let the vig handle it

[votato]

you sold me midway. VOTE: midway. L-2

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Fine. Tired of fighting vs. ppl who don't want to listen.

VOTE: Nahdia

you voted midway before. Now the wagon has momentum and you don't want to be on it?

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you sold me midway. VOTE: midway. L-2

i don't think im L-2

Is that because you think you're L-1?

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we have a vig to take care of it. We don't learn that much from the lynch. If nahdia is scum, then scum will be able to freely bus and we can't trust the wagon

[votato]

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oh, hte internet
Either way, Im fine going unto the unexplored:
VOTE: NDMath

where does this vote come from?

[votato]

oh, hte internet
Either way, Im fine going unto the unexplored:
VOTE: NDMath

where does this vote come from?

Dnt like his iso. I agree with farside. Also dnt like the bear/nahdia transition, added with the early tr on nahdia. All that can be even understandable, but that is adding info. I want his take.
I also want to see how farside takes it while we r at it.

whats bad in the iso?

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hang on norwee... you think midway and i are scum together> based on what>?

[votato]

so funny that i'd replace out

[votato]

yeah i didnt like yesterday's wagon, and i dont think this is much better. plus theres still time left, dunno why we are getting so stuck on the obvious policyish lynch when we could be doing legit scumhunting. this should be our backup lynch for deadline if anything

[votato]

If nahdia is town and ends up a mislynch idk where we go from there.

What about midway? As the counter, that's the logical choice, right?

why not go there now and see what happens? this nahdia business is low information and low probability for a day 2 PL.
since momentum seems to be moving towards stanley, and that is a good alternative to midway, ill VOTE: stan1ey

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If nahdia is town and ends up a mislynch idk where we go from there.

What about midway? As the counter, that's the logical choice, right?

why not go there now and see what happens? this nahdia business is low information and low probability for a day 2 PL.
since momentum seems to be moving towards stanley, and that is a good alternative to midway, ill VOTE: stan1ey

why do you keep calling it a policy lynch

well i guess cuz i disagree with your read. the reason i see people saying we should lynch nahdia is mainly because of the hammer.

[votato]

Even more delicious than the Stanley wagon. VOTE: madonna

[votato]

a) theres no reason to hammer yet. lots of time to do other scumhunting. b) it not going anywhere else isnt a reason to vote nahdia

[votato]

oh yeah, saying "lets not quicklynch and instead do some scumhunting, like pursuing the madonna, stanley, or midway wagons" is definitely a scum motivated post. actually, its interesting that as soon as we try to get the game moving away from nahdia, NdMath and midway come in and actively derail that progress. dont like that hammer either. two silly wagons with two silly conclusions.

[votato]

this was absolutely not the ideal choice nor the ideal timing. that said, its still more likely than not a scum flip.

[votato]

im going to get a lot of sadistic pleasure out of lynching midway

[votato]

the need to specify that it was a joke pings me in my no-no zone.

[votato]

this was absolutely not the ideal choice nor the ideal timing. that said, its still more likely than not a scum flip.

I will never understand this mindset you're portraying here.
"Yeah, they will flip scum. But it was still too fast."
Like are you just trying to shade the wagon as hard as you can? Why should we sit here and repeat the same shit over and over when it's obvious something isn't right about Nahdia?

thats pretty insensitive of you. in the 21st century we accept people of any gender idea.

[votato]

this was absolutely not the ideal choice nor the ideal timing. that said, its still more likely than not a scum flip.

I will never understand this mindset you're portraying here.
"Yeah, they will flip scum. But it was still too fast."
Like are you just trying to shade the wagon as hard as you can? Why should we sit here and repeat the same shit over and over when it's obvious something isn't right about Nahdia?

because the way the lynch went down we dont get that much from associations.

[votato]

this was absolutely not the ideal choice nor the ideal timing. that said, its still more likely than not a scum flip.

I will never understand this mindset you're portraying here.
"Yeah, they will flip scum. But it was still too fast."
Like are you just trying to shade the wagon as hard as you can? Why should we sit here and repeat the same shit over and over when it's obvious something isn't right about Nahdia?

because the way the lynch went down we dont get that much from associations.

I got tons of info if nahdia flips red.
Madonna, midway, gobble would be the main ones i see scum with nadhia.

well didnt we already have scumreads on those slots? i dont see why we didnt use our days here to pressure those slots.

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the difference is that we could have already done it, and also you're scummier than nahdia.

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not really because the main reason I am scummy is because I defended Nahdia

That's not really true?

not even a little bit true

[votato]

also i defended nahdia. i dont think that makes me scum. but it does make you scum for thinking it makes you scum if this flips red. that post comes off as very TMI if we get a red flip here.

[votato]

no don't vig me
I'm town. I can be helpful

i could be persuaded that you could be town. maybe. but i call bullshit on you being capable of being helpful.

[votato]

VOTE: Stan1ey

[votato]

You absolutely have to at this point

[votato]

word doesn't though and i don't like that farside is pushing word to claim.

[votato]

Stan1ey is stalling while the scum pt gets a fake claim ready for him

[votato]

Stan1ey was suspected

[votato]

Why target norwee?

[votato]

does rolestopper alien combo seem strange?

[votato]

and no i don't mean his avatar

[votato]

do none of you think its convenient i happened to drop my case on the exact player than town copped me the night before i dropped it ?

abr and i were pushing you yesterday. Makes total sense for him to target you

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do none of you think its convenient i happened to drop my case on the exact player than town copped me the night before i dropped it ?

anyone??

do none of you think its convenient i happened to drop my case on the exact player than town copped me the night before i dropped it ?

abr and i were pushing you yesterday. Makes total sense for him to target you

[votato]

if we are in multiball here then maybe abr's faction has a rolecop and they are lynching scum from the other faction for towncred?

[votato]

i believe stan1ey and madonna are both scum.

[votato]

Let me know if you want my hot take on it. It's my last offer for any game I will ever make.

Yeah, go ahead.
I'm starting to feel riled up by Albert's charisma. So i could definitely use some alternate viewpoints on this right now.

lol it is pretty funny
idk why he would go so hard to get you lynched as scum though

Sorry I had some bad news so I didn't respond right away. I'm taking a few days off after this post.

Here is my hot take which is why I quoted Midway post as a reference.

See Abr before the claim was put under pressure. He already had a wagon and a case on him and now he has convoluted a storyline to use as a means to get his point across. The main question that midway asked is really simple. He was looking to be the player that most were looking to lynch today and as scum he saves himself one game day but creating this storyline.
So it's not a 1vs1 story that players are looking at it is what scum abr gains from doing this. He gains one more day and lynches another player instead of himself. He can also out a real CC in the process of doing all those actions.
I see more stan making a case, putting together idea's where I see Abr using manipulation to gain credit with the hopes that he will survive as scum one more day, because scum would love not only to see a now PR claim lynched but make sure they are not lynched back to back.


*drops mic*

mod: V/LA for 2-3 days

i think abr likely had other ways of surviving other than a fake-claim though. an abr lynch was certainly no sure thing.

gl farside, tomorrow is always better.

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You say really unpleasant and unnecessary things, has anyone ever told you that?

Yes. They have.

its just a part of being norwegian.

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i think before the day ends it would be worth discussing whether this is multiball, whether we have multiple vigs, 3p, or whether scum just had an extra kill of some sort.

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i think before the day ends it would be worth discussing whether this is multiball, whether we have multiple vigs, 3p, or whether scum just had an extra kill of some sort.

do you even read or do you just come in and post nonsense every few days

not really

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boi there's no 3p and I doubt it's multiball

i thought we established that there could be a single 3p in a large normal?

[votato]

wait but im the serial killer...

[votato]

-

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oops yes wrong game, sorry about that ://

[votato]

the vig should shoot Madonna

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team ABR. he's always like this. and i dont see any reason to fake a guilty at this stage in teh game. its suicide as scum. 1 for 1 isnt worth imo.

[votato]

if abr is scum midway for sure is

[votato]

It's 5-4 Albert-Stan right? I'll lolhammer Stan if he get's put to L-1. But i'll also accept if someone were to hammer Albert. That's my stance.

where u at come hammer

its 1am in norway, could be asleep

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wow what a scummy hammer completely out of the blue without any justification. powerlynch this evil citizen of a nazi-sympathizing state.

[votato]

as scum wouldnt i want to look like i was considering or unsure?

[votato]

which one is trolling?

[votato]

I have no problem claiming if it comes to that. My role is semi confirmable. I think the scum are in {math, midway, tom}.

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Dude what was your night action

why, are you claiming a result on me? people have asked you to claim

[votato]

midway, it would be great if, for once, you included just one reason for one of the things you say. just one. please.

[votato]

why doesnt norwee claim who he targeted, then midway claims, then norwee can claim as needed.

[votato]

no, my claim is not beneficial to town IMO
massclaim doesn't help because the two scum are in my poe
pedit: VOTE: Aloratom
he's desperate. Thunderdome?

ok, I'm a VT, so...

what?

also, why did you want norwee to claim before you if you didnt have any result on him?

VOTE: midway

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The plan was for you to claim VT, i would confirm you didn't do anything. And we'd all be a big happy family. But of course you didn't do that.

i did though
I'm conf town now I believe

no. you arent. you could easily just be a goon or another voyeur who didnt use your voyeur role.

[votato]

no i should not claim. i will claim if intent to hammer is given.

[votato]

and let me say now that anyone who lolhammers me should be powerlynched.

[votato]

anyone who has targeted me will be able to partially confirm my claim

[votato]

i want to give people a chance to read this and possibly confirm my softclaim before i fullclaim

[votato]

So basically you want to draw out other people’s claims? Idk man. Not sure I really like this.

says the guy talking about a mass claim, right?

[votato]

@norwee Do I have permission to lead a mass claim?

Ok? I don’t mind.

Cool.

This is the claim order.

1. Aloratom
2. Votato
3. Word
4. Madonna
5. NDMath
6. Popo

no it isnt. you're going first.

[votato]

1) most people think you're scummy
2) you offered to

lead

a massclaim, not follow one.

[votato]

I’ll trust nd here. If he’s town, he knows what he is doing.
Hmm doesn’t seem like he is scum with votato which supports the votato alor theory.

why do you trust him? why does he automatically know what he's doing if he's town? You are right that he isnt scum with me at least.

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also, why are we assuming that norwee's tracker claim makes him town-aligned? i could definitely see a world where scum have 2 voyeurs and 2 trackers

[votato]

or at least 2 voyeurs and a tracker.

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all im saying is that if NDmath wants to go at the end of the claimlist, he'd better have some good breadcrumbing or something. He's one of the scummier slots that really hasnt done much gamesolving. Listening to him made me more inclined to take ABR's side yesterday.

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Fair enough
But if you are town, nothing to fear

as town i have to fear scum, and i have to fear your incompetence. basically, i should be terrified.

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you still havent explained a single fucking thing midway. seriously. step it up. its not hard.

[votato]

I am town universal backup. that means im now the town ascetic even-night alien. crumbs to follow.

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popopopo can you

back that vote up

with some logic? otherwise its just hurtful.

ok so from the setup: "there are only town and mafia." since we know there are only two factions, why dont we all just claim what faction we are a part of? that would really help to clarify where we stand and who we should be lynching. I'm mafia.

VOTE: madonna. i dont believe that youre the real madonna.

crumbing for back-up

Mod: what's an alien do?

its a jailkeeper that protects from ALL night actions, not just killing ones. its a stronger JK.

also, i dont think that claim should be too shocking to anyone.

and here is a follow-up indicating that we shouldn't be surprised to see the same claim again after i adopted the role.

[votato]

Looking at mafia flips so far, they really don't have good roles. Would a mafia aligned universal backup be feasible in this setup?

it seems unfair to have a chance that a mafia role would adopt the ascetic modifier, non?

[votato]

once everyone has roleclaimed im happy to claim my target for night 2. (hint: the target is still alive).

[votato]

the tracker role doesnt reallllly fit with the other town PRs

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i would really like NDMath to claim next. the rest of the order is fine.

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has anyone ever seen a scum universal town back-up before? seems like a non-normal role for scum to steal a town PR.

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universal backup is normal for any alignemnt

but is it normal for a scum universal backup to adopt town roles?

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ok so theres 0% chance that im a scum ascetic even-night alien that was originally a scum universal backup. i'd buy ABR being a scum universal backup who became a voyeur.

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ok so theres 0% chance that im a scum ascetic even-night alien that was originally a scum universal backup. i'd buy ABR being a scum universal backup who became a voyeur.

That's an interesting theory.

i mean i dont really see the point in having a back-up for a voyeur. if another scum flips with a more powerful role then it becomes more likely. a scum backup to mirror me would sorta be fitting. ABR doesnt have to be a backup though, he could just be a voyeur.

[votato]

NdMath looks really bad based on associations. madonna looks pretty good.

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Looking at mafia flips so far, they really don't have good roles. Would a mafia aligned universal backup be feasible in this setup?

i dunno, could be this post

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NDmath is conftown. i targeted madonna n2. Sorry, I was trying to go for the less obvious target that the vig wouldnt hit. i figured vig would hit stan1ey.

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if we can narrow it down to a pool of three people here then we are in good shape. i get my shot tonight, so if we coordinate, we can lynch one, block one, vig one, and if we are 100% that means we either win or confirm the scum and prevent their factional kill tonight.

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madonna has good associations, so was either hard bussing most of the game or is town here. it is possible that abr bussed madonna knowing that ABR was gonna die, but i think we should probably exclude madonna from the lynchpool. i also think theres no point in killing PRs, let scum off us and deal with it later. i think we still need to be concerned about a popopo deepwolf. wasnt it ABR who initially declared popopo to be town? for me the lynchpool then currently stands at {popopo, aloratom, midway, word} among which i'd kinda prefer to save aloratom for tomorrow and lynch midway, ill block popopo and vig word. but im open to suggestions here. we can also track an additional VT claim here, so we can basically check every single VT today.

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I'm up for whatever. I essentially have no control anyway.

you can still have power by providing reads. also, ;);););)

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why did they have nahdia perform the kill though? And did you not track nahdia anywhere else? She didn't voyeur herself?

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I guess votato is conf town due to the madonna protect. I think we can safely say that all of our PRs+popo+me are town. That leaves alor, word, and madonna. This is good?

what exactly makes you or popo confirmed town?

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We need to have pre arranged night actions set up in case we lynch scum. If we lynch town then tracker and i can deviate for randomness

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ugh useless Norwegian

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kk VOTE: word

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oh that was an unvote meh, this could be a decent lynch anyway

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Vig midway and I'll alien alora if this flips scum.

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im ok with that lynch. i still think i prefer a midway lynch. i want to hear actual reads from midway. and i want to hear why midway thinks he and popo are conftown

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i believe that has aloratom at L-2. we need to discuss our exact plan of night actions before we put anyone at L-1 or scum could quickhammer and make a mess.

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so the three slots that most need sorting, objectively, are {word, aloratom, midway}. popopopo and madonna both have things that make it far less likely that they're scum. Given that we can sort three slots in this day/night phase, I vote that we sort those three. I don't much care which is the lynch vs vig vs alien. If the slot we lynch flips town I reserve the right to alien anyone on the playerlist, even PR claims. I will not be reconsidering that, and for obvious reasons, no one should ask me to, nor should there be any further discussion of the matter. I will obviously tell you who i targeted tomorrow. If we hit scum, i can commit with 90% certainty to targeting according to the plan, and with 100% certainty to not targeting the stated vig target. Tomorrow we can sort the rest out. unless there is a real deepwolf here or multiball, we should be reasonably close to an auto-win here. My personal preference would be to lynch midway, vig aloratom, and then have me alien word. But like I said, I don't much care between those three. I think it should largely be up to NDMath and norwee to decide, although input from others is welcome too. It may be worth considering which lynches and vigs to the most to help sort other slots. I'll leave that legwork to more mechanically-minded players.

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midway and aloratom and myself are all newbies to varying degrees. expect bad takes from all of us as either alignment. that said aloratom normally feels a bit different to me. midway is off from what i've seen of his recent meta, although hes learning so it might change.

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norwee what are your takes on order of actions here?

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i mean it would be cool if a neighborizer were to show up right about now. dont like that LAMIST post. thats pure IIoA.

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oooh spiceyyyy

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VOTE: alora
Good luck

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NDMath if you change your mind about targeting, feel free to say so, I'll follow whatever you say until the thread gets locked.

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pretty sure my vote was the hammer, so the silence is telling

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no we are vigging you midway. unless ND explicitly says otherwise in the thread. I'm going to base my action around whatever ND's most recent announcement of his intentions are. its a terrible idea to just hope that myself and ND will manage to target different people and also target effective people without coordinating. we are likely to wind up with a repeat of night 2.

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i townread stan1ey in the beginning if it counts for anything
yet I still voted for him

yes, because voting for townreads is something town does... you still havent given a single thing you've done thats townie. you havent attempted to figure out who any of the scum are. you havent done anything except proclaim yourself town.

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you can look at my posts beginning of day
I think those were pretty town motivated?

can you point to some posts you think were both really town-motivated and contributed to solving the game? I.E., has anything youve done all game been anything that scum couldnt easily fake

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midway is one giant mafia-themed meme.

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it could be that you're always scummy. everyone in this game thinks you're scummy, and you always play in a similar manner to this.

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every game you play a bit differently, but in no games do you do much scumhunting. and in 1997 i gave you a newbie pass and paid for it. i cant let you get away with that twice, so i feel like i have to be extra hard on you. notice that i havent hardpushed you or tunneled you this game. i just consistently call you out for not actually helping to gamesolve. i keep asking you to help out and ask you to give reads, thoughts and analysis. but you never do.

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it could be that you're always scummy. everyone in this game thinks you're scummy, and you always play in a similar manner to this.

says the guy who is only townread because he claimed PR...

being townread is boring.

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if we lynch midway and I haven't heard from you ND, please vig aloratom and I'll still alien word if we flip scum.

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Spoiler:

every game you play a bit differently, but in no games do you do much scumhunting. and in 1997 i gave you a newbie pass and paid for it. i cant let you get away with that twice, so i feel like i have to be extra hard on you. notice that i havent hardpushed you or tunneled you this game. i just consistently call you out for not actually helping to gamesolve. i keep asking you to help out and ask you to give reads, thoughts and analysis. but you never do.

yes, fair enough
I think if alor flips town, vig/alien madonna/word
Upon scum flip, vig word and he should be the last scum
idk what PRs scum have, so hopefully they don't have a roleblocker
pedit: @norwee

but again you give no reasoning why you should be considered town or anyone else scum. you just assume that we know you're town and go from there with your PoE. do you see why we cant buy your PoE without first believing that you're town? Do you see why we might be skeptical of you being town?

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if we lynch midway and I haven't heard from you ND, please vig aloratom and I'll still alien word if we flip scum.

@NDMath

for clarity pls look at this post

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honestly, i could buy ABR snarkily attacking a scumbuddy for a shitty post. that doesnt really strike me as AI

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That was D2, sorry.

lynch all liars. vote norwee.

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how does any of that prove you're town?

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i am ok with that. I do want to give NDMath some time to show up and confirm night actions before hammering though.

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You sold me
VOTE: Nahdia

Fine. Tired of fighting vs. ppl who don't want to listen.

VOTE: Nahdia

VOTE: midway

If Midway's scum, that means there was a decision made by the scum team to flat out bus Nahdia. I guess the timing works.

see midway? do this sort of thing.

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at this point the lynch for me is midway, the vig is word, and ill alien alora unless midway flips town.

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i'm flipping town...

thats awesome. do you have any interest in trying to convince us of that?

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I can’t

you cant try?

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midway. if you think someone is scum, you have to explain WHY. if you want us to believe that you're town, dont just show us a one-sentence post you wrote that came from a town mindset. walk us through the mindset. let us see what you're thinking so we can share your thoughts. tell a story. paint a picture. convince us.

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Alor feels townie now, so we pivot to word
I am not the lynch todsy

see here all you've done is sheep a read and then try to start a counterwagon with a naked vote. that isnt a reason we should think word is scummier than you.

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yeah i kinda believe midway is town. but at the same time, we have to lynch that slot based on the posting.

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lets say midway and alora are both town. that makes the scumteam word and madonna?

could in theory also be norwee with strange shenanigans to set up a deepwolf, but we have to dismiss the possibility for now. or NDMath with multiball, but again, dismiss it for now.

realistically, the solve will definitely be found among the VTs. and this game is probably simpler than I'm thinking.

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I think pressuring the other VTs would be beneficial and help us deduce what's going on.

VOTE: Madonna

why madonna over word?

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Word is fine. I find Madonna more intriguing though.

why? you arent a midway alt are you?

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Lets wait for ND. Pretty sure he is on the same page as you, but this is getting nowhere.
I can see where you’re coming from votato, but I already tried to pull interaction quotes and it didn’t work so there’s not much more I can do.
Idk who is scum. Nahdia defended word though, so keep it in mind.

midway, its not enough to pull up quotes. you have to analyze them. walk us through them

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Word is fine. I find Madonna more intriguing though.

why? you arent a midway alt are you?

What are you driving at here?

that you arent really explaining

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i dont think we need to pressure madonna. i think that by flipping midway we get a lot of info about madonna.

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i dont think we need to pressure madonna. i think that by flipping midway we get a lot of info about madonna.

If people leaning Town on me and you're leaning Town on midway, then why lynch midway before utilizing a non-lynch avenue that's available? If it was a deadline issue, sure, but you've got the bully pulpit. Use it.

oh but i dont do either of those things. i lean town on you over midway, and i have a nagging suspicion that midway will flip town. but midway's play needs to be lynched. we cant let that continue to lylo. and you are both still at the center of the PoE. a couple good posts from you doesnt make you a townie.

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we can.

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There are three votes on Tom right now. (Norwee, madonna, midway)

Hang Tom
vig midway
If Tom is mafia alien word
If Tom is town don't say who you're going to alien.

I'm ready for hammer if votato is.

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im not confirming my block 100% either way. but im confirming it wont be midway.

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block pox7 IMO

remind me again why we didnt lynch you?

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midway is 110% scum

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i dont actually believe its possible to be this intentionally counterproductive as town

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VOTE: midway

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the strategy is to lynch midway. if he flips town we vig word and if he flips scum we vig alora

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WTF

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How is this w/w

oh you're right i said that backwards. if you flip scum we vig word and we vig alora if you flip town.

but again, that could be a SvS if you knew it wasnt really a hammer.