Mini Theme 2145: The Weakest Link Game over

beeboy · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Tue May 26, 2020 4:21 pm

I've thought about the strategy to this game today and it is optimal play for town is to just hand the chain to whoever they are confident is town and is least likely to get a chain from someone else.

The person who holds the most power is the 2nd last person to hold the chain since they choose who dies,

if we get a pool of 3 people, 2 scum and 1 town 33% of the time scum lives, same odds occur if we get a pool of 2 town 1 scum

since 66% of the time we have a 50% shot of hitting scum. So getting a whole bunch of scum at the end of our pool hardly helps us win. And letting town control who dies is incredibly valuable.

We also want a somewhat random town player being 2nd last so we shouldn't just select a "2nd last town" to make the kill, we want a fluid game state that allows for people to have free will especially in the early game since information is more valuable then actually hitting scum day 1 and 2. You can't solve a lot of players without letting them make hard hitting choices and by just shoving choices down their throat we can't ever get a solid read.

beeboy · Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Tue May 26, 2020 4:22 pm

To clear up confusion I made a diagram.

beeboy · Post Post #10 (isolation #2) » Tue May 26, 2020 4:24 pm

I rolled NU btw.
I should not partake in quizzes, although I can freely be chainleader as they don't actually partake in quizzes which makes my NU not matter.

beeboy · Post Post #16 (isolation #3) » Tue May 26, 2020 4:36 pm

In post 11, midwaybear wrote:That's a good observation with the odds. I did the math and everything checks out. However, that is assuming everything is random. You can generalize it to if we have n scum and 1 town, scum has n/n+1 chance of living. As an exercise, maybe we can figure out the probabilities if there are two town. However, this is based off of everything being completely random, and I don't think our actions here will be random.
pedit: what is NU?

NU = Negative Utility.

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I do all my logic assuming town act randomly and scum don't.
That's just how mafia tends to play out.

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Ok so forget about everything but the final 3 players.
You have 3 comparably scummy players, what happens, you pick someone at effectively random right? And our odds show having 2 or 1 scum does not actually help us.

Scum being 2nd last gives them the agency to choose who dies which is pretty bad for town. So you want 2 comparably scummy players and 1 town player to hold the 2nd last chain. Since by choosing the last link they also choose who dies which in itself is a powerful position.

Do you follow what I am saying and what I think we should do now?

beeboy · Post Post #17 (isolation #4) » Tue May 26, 2020 4:37 pm

In post 12, Dunnstral wrote:You used a lot of words to argue for everybody basically doing whatever they want and passing the chain to people they think is town

I think I contradicted myself in their but I changed my mind, we should have a somewhat clear town be the 2nd last person.

beeboy · Post Post #19 (isolation #5) » Tue May 26, 2020 4:38 pm

In post 18, Dunnstral wrote:So basically, someone towny should hold the chain to decide who dies. Makes sense.

Yes Yes thank you Dunnstral.

beeboy · Post Post #28 (isolation #6) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:14 pm

In post 25, Pink Ball wrote:*clap*

beeboy · Post Post #30 (isolation #7) » Tue May 26, 2020 5:24 pm

In post 29, Pink Ball wrote:Can I be the one who decides who lives and who dies and one of the two remaining players be Sir Cakez so I can let him die and be conftown for letting scum die?

I don't think we are ready for that just yet.
But I love the fire in this post none the less!

beeboy · Post Post #44 (isolation #8) » Wed May 27, 2020 3:14 am

In post 43, farside22 wrote:
In post 41, Raya36 wrote:
In post 39, NDMath wrote:Shouldn't we be controlling who that second-to-last person is?
Because if scum is third-to-last, controlling it means they don't get a chance to save a buddy, when that is a position where scum is highly likely to select a buddy.
What if we select a small pool of players we think are town and someone within that pool must be chosen to be 3rd last and someone else within that pool must be 2nd last. That way our chances of town having full control of the kill are increased?

I think day 1 should stay as it is. Anything else said will help scum organize and if they slip day 1 then that's on them.
If we just keep those 2 players we find as the scummiest in the pool of those we want to see lynched from each person who forms the chain and the 2nd to last as the most town I think it will be a good plan for day 1.

I agree with this, we just want 2nd to last to be a town player.
Everything else can be standard fluid mafia for the sake of game play.

beeboy · Post Post #47 (isolation #9) » Wed May 27, 2020 3:17 am

FoS Count

Dunnstral (1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

pedit: I can't hear you over the sound of my stupid FoS counter :^)

beeboy · Post Post #52 (isolation #10) » Wed May 27, 2020 4:29 am

In post 50, farside22 wrote:Can we have 2 fos per player? Please?
fos:albert

Sure it's just a way to present information, so people can't just chain their scum buddy and go "owo i didnt know and I tone read them as town xD" so at least you have to explain why your going against the grain if you decide to do it.

beeboy · Post Post #54 (isolation #11) » Wed May 27, 2020 4:34 am

Nah spring is going to hand me the chain in their opening post.

beeboy · Post Post #58 (isolation #12) » Wed May 27, 2020 4:51 am

In post 55, SirCakez wrote:I expect scum to be doing a lot of IIoA this game ftr

Shitty thread direction can literally burn us into the ground I think you have a solid point but outside handing me the chain I want a solid game plan to be established before we move onto the game itself. Then after we agree on the game plan I think IIoA becomes pretty relevant.

Without a plan voteless games tend to lead to low information chaos.

beeboy · Post Post #70 (isolation #13) » Wed May 27, 2020 6:10 am

TSE has a solid post about Farside not being in charge.
Given I am clearly the Flame God Emperor Town in this game

beeboy · Post Post #71 (isolation #14) » Wed May 27, 2020 6:19 am

Also I town read Raya.

beeboy · Post Post #73 (isolation #15) » Wed May 27, 2020 6:33 am

lmao I am just memeing dw.

You, Cakez, Dunnstral and ABR are the players I trust from the pregame to preform well as town.

beeboy · Post Post #79 (isolation #16) » Wed May 27, 2020 7:25 am

FoS Counter

midwaybear (2) - Raya, Beeboy

Dunnstral (1) -

Farside

Albert (1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

beeboy · Post Post #95 (isolation #17) » Wed May 27, 2020 9:59 am

In post 81, farside22 wrote:Glad you said that I was about to go Cartman for my next giphy moment.
I don't mind being part of the group, can I ask why Dunn is a town read?

Nah just pregame bias unless your asking Raya.
I wish I had 4 reads.

beeboy · Post Post #98 (isolation #18) » Wed May 27, 2020 10:46 am

Where is our chain leader?
Tbh I feel Raya's tone read on Dunnstral, but I do that every single game so I feel like that's wrong... >_>

beeboy · Post Post #103 (isolation #19) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:46 am

@Raya, @Dunnstral wanna make a pact to get the chain to the 3 of us upon receiving it?

beeboy · Post Post #107 (isolation #20) » Wed May 27, 2020 11:56 am

In post 105, farside22 wrote:
In post 103, beeboy wrote:@Raya, @Dunnstral wanna make a pact to get the chain to the 3 of us upon receiving it?
This is going to start feeling like kick ball where all the weak kids are left as the "I dont want him on my team", squad

I'm turning my reads into actions or else this game is never going to kick off.
At least that's why I brought up that idea to those 2.

beeboy · Post Post #109 (isolation #21) » Wed May 27, 2020 12:00 pm

In post 108, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 103, beeboy wrote:@Raya, @Dunnstral wanna make a pact to get the chain to the 3 of us upon receiving it?
IDK if I'm into plans like this. I'd probably send it to Raya on my own accord anyway though

Honestly neither am I, I just assumed Raya would send it me or you. I was sending it to you or Raya.
And by putting it on the table we now have a real thing to argue about that isn't mechanics.

Scum reads this early don't hold a lot of weight, or at least in my opinion someone scum reading my town read doesn't matter to me.

beeboy · Post Post #110 (isolation #22) » Wed May 27, 2020 12:01 pm

I can be this upfront about my intentions because it's not like that is stopping Dunnstral or Raya from getting a chain link without real push back lol.

beeboy · Post Post #122 (isolation #23) » Wed May 27, 2020 3:05 pm

NDMath are you Chess from the MU mash?
Or do you have no idea what I am talking about lmao.

Ty fam =)

beeboy · Post Post #124 (isolation #24) » Wed May 27, 2020 3:07 pm

FoS Counter

midwaybear (3) - Raya, Beeboy, NDMath

Dunnstral (1) -

Farside

Albert (1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

SirCakez (1) -

NDMath

Starbuck (1) -

Beeboy

beeboy · Post Post #135 (isolation #25) » Wed May 27, 2020 5:23 pm

In post 132, SirCakez wrote:
In post 115, Starbuck wrote:In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.
This seems like a veiled attack on beeboy. Why not just come out and say it?

shh the words of scum don't effect the game that much.

beeboy · Post Post #138 (isolation #26) » Wed May 27, 2020 5:54 pm

Spoiler:

So I am going back towards neutral/slight sus on Starbuck. I'll explain everything for clarity since I might as well.
First quip on me is scummy, second one is towny. I can explain on request but it neutrals out so meh.

FoS tracking comment is based on a concluded conversation between me and Farside that ended with us agreeing with you, so it was a weird thing to interject yourself into. Slightly wolfy.
You also say your eager to scum hunt but you didn't really add anything new since your analysis on my opening was non committal to avoid a debate or at least that's how I felt reading it.

But since you haven't played in many years you probably need time to get the ball rolling. Which would explain roughly half my read. You could still be scum and I don't think your town, I am just not going to pretend I have information I don't have when we still have an afk.

beeboy · Post Post #139 (isolation #27) » Wed May 27, 2020 5:54 pm

BOOM BACKWARDS PROGRESS LIKE THE PRO PLAYER I AM

beeboy · Post Post #180 (isolation #28) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:03 am

In post 162, springlullaby wrote:Woah. Hi, catching up asap.

Come back we need you

beeboy · Post Post #191 (isolation #29) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:46 am

In post 190, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 188, Raya36 wrote:But you don't seem to be pushing Unwnd? You sound very confident he's scum but you're not doing anything with that
With the mechanic of this game I don’t need to push them RN.

I mean you're not wrong.

beeboy · Post Post #194 (isolation #30) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:52 am

TSE tell me 2 people you'd hand the chain to and why?

pedit: midway you can play this game as well if you want.

beeboy · Post Post #220 (isolation #31) » Thu May 28, 2020 6:59 am

In post 195, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 194, beeboy wrote:TSE tell me 2 people you'd hand the chain to and why?

pedit: midway you can play this game as well if you want.

Pink Ball

I feel as if they might be a mislynch target normally and I think they are having a feud with ABR I’m not entirely sure on that. I trust their posts enough to save them for today to make sure someone scummy gets lynched over Pink Ball.

Reya

Usually my plan was just to choose Pink Ball but assuming Pink Ball is already chosen then I’d choose Reya.
They have shown some Townie posts and good contribution. While other players haven’t been really doing that.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I actually town read Reya more then Dunnstral, to the extent where when I commit to my pact I wanted Dunnstral to be the end of our 3 man chain so I could see what he does with it.

beeboy · Post Post #223 (isolation #32) » Thu May 28, 2020 7:05 am

In post 222, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Ok.
So I suppose while your Town read Dunn are also sceptical of his slot with the possibility of him Power Wolfing?

Dunn is a very impressive scum player so it wouldn't surprise me.
Although I don't like to make reads on the basis of "hehe they are so good XD", feels unfair to the individual, Reya is just townier so I'll play to get information out of the worse of the 2 even if they are both likely town.

beeboy · Post Post #243 (isolation #33) » Thu May 28, 2020 9:07 am

I think Raya believes what they are saying. Farside you have solid points about the reads themselves and they aren't particularly reads I would back up but I also think Raya stand by what she is saying. I also don't particularly see inconsistencies with how she is approaching the game which is more what I tend to look for when I try and identify people with bad reads.

I could be wrong here but I do think she is town.

beeboy · Post Post #244 (isolation #34) » Thu May 28, 2020 9:19 am

My current stance on Starbuck is to agree to disagree on our approach to the game.
Look back at her day 2/3 when more content is established. Half this is just a bias because I know people joined this game to play with her which isn't exactly the best play but mafia is also just a game.

Math, Spring and unwnd are all players I think need to provide more content or they are just going to get crushed by the POE as this game progresses and I prefer to mislynch/catch scum do to me playing well not them conceding for no good reason.

beeboy · Post Post #248 (isolation #35) » Thu May 28, 2020 9:47 am

In post 245, midwaybear wrote:
In post 241, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Captain Starbuck, First Officer Rampage standing by! Your orders, sir!
What? I hope you're trolling lol

In post 244, beeboy wrote:Math, Spring and unwnd are all players I think need to provide more content or they are just going to get crushed by the POE as this game progresses and I prefer to mislynch/catch scum do to me playing well not them conceding for no good reason.
It sounds like you are saying if people don't give content/post, you are going to push for their lynch. Not sure I really like that.

Also, who is Morning?

The way this game gets played they are going to die. Someone is going to town read an active player regardless of how scummy they are over a very low poster. It's going to result in them dying and hurting the game because it's just not game play at that point. It's not something I am pushing for but it's an inevitability if I don't push for them to produce content.

I think morning is spring based on context of morning having the chain.

beeboy · Post Post #264 (isolation #36) » Thu May 28, 2020 10:58 am

beeboy · Post Post #284 (isolation #37) » Thu May 28, 2020 12:06 pm

I am waiting for albert to do a big thing as well.
Albert waiting room over here.

beeboy · Post Post #293 (isolation #38) » Thu May 28, 2020 12:59 pm

In post 291, Dunnstral wrote:1) Albert B. Rampage
11) midwaybear
13) springlullaby

NDMath

Dunnstral took the words out of my mouth.

beeboy · Post Post #302 (isolation #39) » Thu May 28, 2020 2:13 pm

Tbh I am giving tarbuck space but if you are all going to jump on my pelt credit then I am going to feel robbed....
But on a serious note I don't like the slot but it's also a slot actively providing content so it's not the read I want to go after first.

The read can be improved, over lets say people like Chess, Midway and albert who have gone MIA =)

beeboy · Post Post #304 (isolation #40) » Thu May 28, 2020 2:21 pm

=( I didn't mean it that way town friend.

beeboy · Post Post #306 (isolation #41) » Thu May 28, 2020 2:24 pm

I am not basing my read on you on a singular game of meta, I just had banter I wanted to bring up since you share the same avatar

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But yeah sorry if the avatar thing makes me mess up your name a few times.

beeboy · Post Post #322 (isolation #42) » Thu May 28, 2020 3:25 pm

In post 320, Starbuck wrote:
In post 307, unwnd wrote:Why is that people just scumread or dislike someone for..disliking them
My exact question.

ngl it's really hard to defend this site to my friends when this is a known meta here lol.

beeboy · Post Post #328 (isolation #43) » Thu May 28, 2020 3:49 pm

I just wanna start throwing the chain around but SOMEONE decided to go afk.

beeboy · Post Post #333 (isolation #44) » Thu May 28, 2020 3:55 pm

Starbucks lets say Spring went totally rogue and tossed you the chain what would you do with it?
Trying to get into your head right now.

I've kind of given up on ABR because he just doesn't intend on playing until day 2 apparently.

beeboy · Post Post #336 (isolation #45) » Thu May 28, 2020 4:05 pm

In post 334, unwnd wrote:When it comes to the chain I think there's benefit in giving to people you scumread, this may seems backwards but you're putting them in a position to commit to a read either way. If people are just throwing the chain around like hypothetical townblocks this can become an issue if the townblock is incorrect

I mean I think you should just give it to a town read.
Don't you want your scum reads to have it towards the end when they have a smaller selection.

Spring hands it to lets say, Math.
Math hands it to me.
oh boi what a hard choice lmao.

And to create the world with smaller pools for the scum reads to pick from you have to pick your top town read anyway.

beeboy · Post Post #344 (isolation #46) » Thu May 28, 2020 4:33 pm

In post 343, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 333, beeboy wrote:Starbucks lets say Spring went totally rogue and tossed you the chain what would you do with it?
Trying to get into your head right now.

I've kind of given up on ABR because he just doesn't intend on playing until day 2 apparently.
If Sprint wants to go completely rouge they pass the biggest scum read the chain.
lol.
That’s be funny

If I town read someone everyone else thought was scum I wouldn't give a shit to give them the chain lmao.

beeboy · Post Post #349 (isolation #47) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:04 pm

I know I shouldn't be defending a scum read but I'll restate this once again because I am spending a lot of time thinking about the Starbucks.

I think Starbucks and ABR aren't likely to be scum together given how they keep prodding each other. I think both players are scummy and I think thats a consensus among the thread. The issue of piling on Starbucks is I don't think any of actually have the insight or enough information to be able to identify which one of them is actually town.

I am going to go reread TSE vs

Kosmos

unwnd and if I never give an update I just thought it was annoying to read and don't have thoughts on it.

pedit: Hello chain leader I am requesting a chain!

beeboy · Post Post #351 (isolation #48) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:10 pm

Send chain glorious chain leader

beeboy · Post Post #358 (isolation #49) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:20 pm

In post 356, springlullaby wrote:^
@TSE, was that last post addressed at me? If so, let's be clear that I do not need people to explain mafia to me. In fact, I think there are many people who can explain mafia to either of you in this game.

@beeboy, why do you want to start the chain so fast?

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As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

I want to give it to Raya so people can stop using us as throwaway answers on who they'd give the chain to.

beeboy · Post Post #363 (isolation #50) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:22 pm

I rolled negative utility.
If this game is vanillas and me I am going to be pissed.

beeboy · Post Post #364 (isolation #51) » Thu May 28, 2020 5:23 pm

@Spring if you missed my opening post dont nominate me for quizes pls.

beeboy · Post Post #380 (isolation #52) » Fri May 29, 2020 2:49 am

In post 378, farside22 wrote:I would not pass a chain to beeboy for this exact reason.

nah I am still completely serious about handing it Raya or Dunn.

beeboy · Post Post #415 (isolation #53) » Fri May 29, 2020 8:16 am

In post 411, SirCakez wrote:I agree his lack of real gameplay is suspicious but I SRed him for the same thing in Guns and Roses and was wrong there so I'm hesitant.

His ISO in that game is a lot better then his ISO here.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ect[]=6983

He is more aggressive and is less fluffy.
Idk just feels like scum who doesn't want to commit to anything early/ have his town reputation chase him by having a good day 1.

beeboy · Post Post #416 (isolation #54) » Fri May 29, 2020 8:37 am

I wonder if Spring realizes other people also need time to hold onto the chain.

beeboy · Post Post #442 (isolation #55) » Fri May 29, 2020 3:37 pm

In post 441, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 430, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:This game might be another loss for me like that one.
The chain hasn't even been passed once

LOL
Dunnstral is my favorite.

beeboy · Post Post #443 (isolation #56) » Fri May 29, 2020 3:39 pm

I am just chilling until the chain gets passed around.
This voteless, chainless gamestate is kind of rough.

beeboy · Post Post #467 (isolation #57) » Sat May 30, 2020 3:52 am

In post 463, springlullaby wrote:
In post 443, beeboy wrote:I am just chilling until the chain gets passed around.
This voteless, chainless gamestate is kind of rough.
You have not answered my question.

Good: Raya, Dunn
Bad: Midway

beeboy · Post Post #469 (isolation #58) » Sat May 30, 2020 4:23 am

Spring I don't think that matters regarding the chain.
You can do the quiz while we toss around the chain.

Someone else is going to want more than 24 hours to think out what they want to do.

beeboy · Post Post #471 (isolation #59) » Sat May 30, 2020 4:45 am

you are correct.

beeboy · Post Post #472 (isolation #60) » Sat May 30, 2020 4:51 am

In post 2, MariaR wrote:4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

My role forces me to always fail the quiz. It doesn't really matter if I full claim that part of my role I guess.

beeboy · Post Post #475 (isolation #61) » Sat May 30, 2020 4:56 am

In post 474, springlullaby wrote:
In post 472, beeboy wrote:
In post 2, MariaR wrote:4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.
My role forces me to always fail the quiz. It doesn't really matter if I full claim that part of my role I guess.
Yes, that's what I thought. I think your claim look legit so far. I'd like other player input on how likely beeboy is to be a ballsy fake claiming scum.

My role isn't confirmable, I can just opt into failing the quiz if I am bluffing.

beeboy · Post Post #476 (isolation #62) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:00 am

Spring, you have to let go of the chain.
Do it for the team. I believe in you!

beeboy · Post Post #479 (isolation #63) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:06 am

oh...
I don't have the answer to what I'd do as scum confidently... >_>

'd say I'd do it but I don't have the history to back that up. So I'd prolly let myself be coached into it by a scum buddy but not something I'd think of myself.

beeboy · Post Post #480 (isolation #64) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:08 am

@sircakez @dunnstral she wants your help.

beeboy · Post Post #481 (isolation #65) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:11 am

spring chain meeeee or raya or anyone
the chain just needs to move MonkaS

beeboy · Post Post #484 (isolation #66) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:30 am

Chain now, quiz teams later.
Back to the afk realms I go.

glgl spring.

beeboy · Post Post #509 (isolation #67) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:59 am

lmao I really dig that team.
When the vote comes up I'll approve it.

beeboy · Post Post #510 (isolation #68) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:59 am

In post 509, beeboy wrote:lmao I really dig that team.
When the vote comes up I'll approve it.

Think about it this way are you upset if that quiz fails?

beeboy · Post Post #516 (isolation #69) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:05 am

spring are we allowed to pass the chain yet or are we waiting on something?

pedit: I can't until the mod confirms it I don't think.

beeboy · Post Post #519 (isolation #70) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:07 am

approve the team

I guess I lose nothing having to type this twice.

beeboy · Post Post #520 (isolation #71) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:11 am

In post 518, MariaR wrote:
Since this has been asked let me make it known: There have been precautions taken to someone holding the chain until deadline and or stalling.

beeboy · Post Post #521 (isolation #72) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:11 am

beeboy · Post Post #522 (isolation #73) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:12 am

beeboy · Post Post #529 (isolation #74) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:15 am

Quick pass me the chain to make up for it.

beeboy · Post Post #532 (isolation #75) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:18 am

Memes aside what are you waiting for in regards to passing the chain?
I thought you wanted to get the group read baseline down but now I am unsure.

beeboy · Post Post #538 (isolation #76) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:24 am

In post 535, springlullaby wrote:I'm waiting to see if people are making trouble for the quiz team.

I don't think that impacts who you perceive your top town read to be but I guess that's your call.

beeboy · Post Post #543 (isolation #77) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:26 am

i kinda want to see this quiz team fail though.
It would be interesting for the game state.

beeboy · Post Post #544 (isolation #78) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:26 am

^ @ABR

beeboy · Post Post #549 (isolation #79) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:29 am

[quote="In post 140, MariaR"][/quote]

beeboy · Post Post #554 (isolation #80) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:33 am

In post 550, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 546, farside22 wrote:
In post 541, Albert B. Rampage wrote:deny it boys this is a bad team
It's a great way to use some scum hunting in a whole other way.
So why deny it?
I just thought of 2 good ways it works.
I dont want farside or starbuck or slringlullaby on the quiz team

The 3rd one is always on the team.
I don't see spring not putting herself on the team, so if she is scum this group always fails today it's not even worth considering the world she is scum when looking at the team.

The other 4 I wouldn't care if they put themselves on the hot-seat by hitting the reject button.
That forces scum to do one of the following, never shoot inside the group in order to not clear their own POE. Or it forces them to accept and the group is fine.

beeboy · Post Post #555 (isolation #81) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:33 am

In post 553, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Because theres scum in there. Who's in favor of putting sircakez in charge of the chain tomorrow?

I am more likely to be night killed and I'll pick the team by the group needs not my own.
I kinda like the beeboy nomination.

beeboy · Post Post #558 (isolation #82) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:35 am

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

beeboy · Post Post #564 (isolation #83) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:39 am

In post 560, farside22 wrote:I'd be fine with beeboy as chain leader day 2 but you town read raya and i don't.

My game plan would be to get everyone to nominate between 0-5 people to be town, nominate the team that has players with the most votes.
Then if that team gets denied I'd probably just nominate 2 random teams I personally liked lol. But the first option is group voted so I think it would succeed >_>

beeboy · Post Post #566 (isolation #84) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:39 am

In post 563, SirCakez wrote:I think I'm gonna stop reading TSE posts

I really dislike that quiz team, Starbuck, Raya and Dunn are not good choices. I want to reject it if a different one can be formed.
In post 523, springlullaby wrote:Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear
This list even excluding me is not great
In post 558, beeboy wrote:Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.
why tse?

TSE is hyper stubborn town, like beeboy 2017 death tunnel kind of town.
Maybe I see too much of my own game play in it so I sympathize with him more then I should but I do like his slot, even if I am not persuaded on unwnd right now.

beeboy · Post Post #569 (isolation #85) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:40 am

In post 567, springlullaby wrote:OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

Can you ask if denying 3 times is an advantage for scum?
Instead of just once.

beeboy · Post Post #582 (isolation #86) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:50 am

I dont think the team gets lynch immunity its only the team leader and the chain leader.

beeboy · Post Post #583 (isolation #87) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:50 am

In post 582, beeboy wrote:I dont think the team gets lynch immunity its only the chain leader.

beeboy · Post Post #587 (isolation #88) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:51 am

In post 585, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 582, beeboy wrote:I dont think the team gets lynch immunity its only the team leader and the chain leader.
If we lynch them the quiz automatically fails.

oh I get it.

beeboy · Post Post #593 (isolation #89) » Sat May 30, 2020 6:55 am

In post 472, beeboy wrote:
In post 2, MariaR wrote:4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.
My role forces me to always fail the quiz. It doesn't really matter if I full claim that part of my role I guess.

=( I can't ever have fun.

beeboy · Post Post #608 (isolation #90) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:00 am

Spring hand me the chain, Raya is on VLA and kinda needs time to get around to the thread >_>

beeboy · Post Post #612 (isolation #91) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:01 am

In post 608, beeboy wrote:Spring hand me the chain, Raya is on VLA and kinda needs time to get around to the thread >_>

>:(((

beeboy · Post Post #620 (isolation #92) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:04 am

In post 612, beeboy wrote:
In post 608, beeboy wrote:Spring hand me the chain, Raya is on VLA and kinda needs time to get around to the thread >_>
>:(((

12 players, 10 days.
Scum will make excuses to stall.
People can't think while sleeping.
People will be busy.

A lot of factors need us to move.

beeboy · Post Post #631 (isolation #93) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:08 am

In post 620, beeboy wrote:
In post 612, beeboy wrote:
In post 608, beeboy wrote:Spring hand me the chain, Raya is on VLA and kinda needs time to get around to the thread >_>
>:(((
12 players, 10 days.
Scum will make excuses to stall.
People can't think while sleeping.
People will be busy.

A lot of factors need us to move.

When I come back from my walk I hope to see a moved chain.

beeboy · Post Post #652 (isolation #94) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:20 am

unwnd I just want the chain to move ngl.
I think Spring is over estimating peoples ability to pass it in a short frame of time.

beeboy · Post Post #654 (isolation #95) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:22 am

I also feel like knowing who is towards the end of the chain makes it easier to hand out the chain because we know who is already safe from being lynched.
Idk passing chain just seems like the right play even if spring has good intentions

beeboy · Post Post #657 (isolation #96) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:24 am

ABR made a solid point though.
The team is lynch immune, meaning handing the chain around a bit lets us get a clear idea as to who should get it without disrupting the game.

beeboy · Post Post #661 (isolation #97) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:26 am

In post 656, springlullaby wrote:No, in a game like this, scum would thrive on chaos.
I'll make sure the quiz team is sorted out first.

Need input from:

Dunnstral
Raya36
Starbuck
Pink Ball
NDmath

Raya is VLA.

beeboy · Post Post #667 (isolation #98) » Sat May 30, 2020 7:29 am

ngl people saying ABR is town for being so aggressive is pretty.

beeboy · Post Post #714 (isolation #99) » Sat May 30, 2020 8:07 am

In post 711, midwaybear wrote:is beeboy going to be the designated second to last person?

Nope we don't need info on me

beeboy · Post Post #716 (isolation #100) » Sat May 30, 2020 8:08 am

And if you do need a better read on me I am picking teams tomorrow

beeboy · Post Post #719 (isolation #101) » Sat May 30, 2020 8:10 am

In post 717, midwaybear wrote:I know, but I thought we wanted second to last to be conf town so we control the lynch.
@ABR I already voted yes, so I think it's locked in sorry

We want them to be mostly town. I mean I don't care I just think it's incorrect play

beeboy · Post Post #725 (isolation #102) » Sat May 30, 2020 8:19 am

Bear do you think the chain won't get to me before the bottom 5 if I clearly want it?

beeboy · Post Post #755 (isolation #103) » Sat May 30, 2020 8:55 am

I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

beeboy · Post Post #757 (isolation #104) » Sat May 30, 2020 8:57 am

In post 755, beeboy wrote:I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

In post 756, midwaybear wrote:
In post 755, beeboy wrote:I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read
how is that a sheep? I already explained why I TR her before.

I am saying your words mean nothing without action and if you want to pass it to Starbucks do it

beeboy · Post Post #764 (isolation #105) » Sat May 30, 2020 9:47 am

@unwnd pretend TSE isn't a player for a bit and try to direct the game.
I think most of the game just null reads your interaction with TSE and town reads TSE for it.
So you should readjust and push something else if you are town.

beeboy · Post Post #767 (isolation #106) » Sat May 30, 2020 9:57 am

In post 766, farside22 wrote:
In post 764, beeboy wrote:@unwnd pretend TSE isn't a player for a bit and try to direct the game.
I think most of the game just null reads your interaction with TSE and town reads TSE for it.
So you should readjust and push something else if you are town.
I wonder if your reading the game.

What part? He went back to talking about TSE I know he was talking about other players.
Unwnd is still expressing frustrations about TSE and his entire stance on him is kinda mute to me at this point. Since his reaction to the tunnel doesn't feel alignment indicative which is a majority of his content this game. A point gets reached while being tunneled when your reactions basically neutral out.

I need a wider range of content then most to establish my read.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 10:05 am

In post 769, farside22 wrote:A few players are scum reading tse.
Im reevaluating a few reads currently, but some players took a side with the back and forth between unwnd and tse.

Feels like a vocal minority wanting him dead, I don't think the perception in unwnd's post of "feels like that RC game where people bent over and i died" is accurate cause he is pretty far off from being a designated dead player.
I guess "your totally being null read" wasn't an accurate statement but I still want a chance to see him talk to other players so I can sort him since he feels pretty defend-able right now and his "guess I am dead" perspective isn't exactly helping my ability to come up with a good read on him. Most peoples annoyed turtle modes are the same as both alignments. Or maybe I am just a shit player and that's an angle I have trouble reading.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 10:14 am

springlullaby(4)- springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral

Chainless:(9)- SirCakez, Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, unwnd, NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Hard Town

Beeboy
Pinkball
TrueSoulEnergy

Lighter Town

Sircakez
Raya36

Null

Starbuck
Farside22
unwnd
NDMath

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 10:15 am

This is how I sit on the remaining players.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 10:16 am

Reads on anyone with the chain will be withheld until tomorrow.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:05 pm

In post 779, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 775, midwaybear wrote:@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.
I think the team is Farside, Unwnd and Spring.
I know I said this before but thought I’d just repeat myself to make it more clear.

Farside, ABR, NDMath
Is my tin foil right now.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:11 pm

In post 785, farside22 wrote:
In post 780, beeboy wrote:
In post 779, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 775, midwaybear wrote:@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.
I think the team is Farside, Unwnd and Spring.
I know I said this before but thought I’d just repeat myself to make it more clear.
Farside, ABR, NDMath
Is my tin foil right now.
Since you both wrong about me i cant take any of your scum reads seriously.

I didn't explain any of them so I don't really expect you to.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:14 pm

Spring is town btw.
Town who was trolling with the chain, but still town none the less.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:20 pm

In post 793, Dunnstral wrote:Are we putting beeboy near the end of the chain list?

Me and PB are the only ones town read enough to be towards the end.
So one of us is the consensus "near the end setup spot"

I don't care which one of us it is, honestly I prefer it not being me since I like seeing other people make decisions.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:21 pm

In post 800, farside22 wrote:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:yeah I think farside is scum.
Ah i did catch you after all. Too bad you won't be lynching me today.

unlucky my scum read on you and ABR cant coexist FeelsBadMan

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:22 pm

In post 803, Dunnstral wrote:I don't have PB as town

Then I guess I am the only one who should be near the end lol.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:27 pm

In post 807, farside22 wrote:No definitely abr and midway with that exchange. Not sure now and the 3rd. Still want to say tse.

I saw ABR in a rough spot with a low amount of players trusting him.
He saw a near death spot so he tossed the chain to someone who is being sussed but wasn't for sure dead yet. He wanted midway to either chain someone on his read list or a consensus read so he doesn't generate a town moment.

I thought ABR was trying to incriminate midway + gain leverage over a town player.
I liked the entire exchange from midway and hated most of the ABR content.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:27 pm

In post 811, farside22 wrote:
In post 809, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 800, farside22 wrote:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:yeah I think farside is scum.
Ah i did catch you after all. Too bad you won't be lynching me today.
Lol i will lynch you tomorrow then good things come to those who wait
Nope.
Your scum team is better off killing me N1. You should know that.

Me and TSE deserve a lot more credit then what we are getting, we are actively trying to keep you alive.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:32 pm

In post 816, farside22 wrote:

Me and TSE recognized the threat of ABR killing you, so we've been faking a scum read on you to keep you alive.
EZ Clap

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:35 pm

In post 815, Dunnstral wrote:Alright, here's what I'm going to do:

VOTE: NDMath

Justification: My basis for this is that I want people to make a real choice for the lynch today (i.e. not the 'lurker' lynch)
and
I don't think his content is even bad, but I don't think anyone else will pass him the chain.

We can lynch in Unwnd/SirCakez today, preferably. I'll let other people read Pink Ball this game

I'm keeping in mind the quiz team needing to get the chain (i.e. Starbuck/farside won't be lynched)

spicy

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:38 pm

In post 814, farside22 wrote:I dont see midway explaining his reasons for changing is reads well at all.
Town reads unwnd, sudden switch. Town reads star, sudden switch. Talks about giving star a chain, but has her listed as possible scum.
None of that makes sense.

I'll reread him, I thought the thought behind the action itself was town but I didn't think about the progression behind it.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:41 pm

NDMath don't pass the chain until we sort the quiz.
We need to figure out who is lynch immune.

pedit:
@Dunnstral "I will withhold all reads of players with the chain", Raya lost town value since she mellowed down (although VLA and still a town read), you're a town read who I didn't feel the need to claim a read on since it's just a list designed to help the chain movement.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:42 pm

In fairness it's been years since I played mafia, even more years since I've played scum lol.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:42 pm

In post 827, beeboy wrote:NDMath don't pass the chain until we sort the quiz.
We need to figure out who is lynch immune.

pedit:
@Dunnstral "I will withhold all reads of players with the chain", Raya lost town value since she mellowed down (although VLA and still a town read), you're a town read who I didn't feel the need to claim a read on since it's just a list designed to help the chain movement.

Sorry if it wasn't clear you're still a town read.
I just don't want to state my reads on all the players with chains since I want my list to be more clear.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:46 pm

In post 830, Dunnstral wrote:OK

So disregarding the chain for a moment, way at the start of the game, did you actually townread me to that extent?

I was forcing action with you and Raya, I wanted people to realize that they needed to debate otherwise the game moves out of their hands. Meaning they had to convince one of Me/Raya, the other or you were scum. Or the 3 of us just pair up and can't be touched.

I took my only light reads I had, doubled my confidence and was fully willing to commit to them if that meant players would engage in deeper discussion. I was trying to accelerate the game, I didn't believe the reads that strongly.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:46 pm

The game isn't in the same urgent state it once was, so I can be sincere about my reads and don't need to bluff pushes to get content.

beeboy · Sat May 30, 2020 12:51 pm

In post 834, midwaybear wrote:Why were you faking SR on farside? I don't get how it relates to ABR

Joke.
She told ABR to kill her at night which isn't something scum want to do to a player being pressured by the 2 top posters.

beeboy · Post Post #837 (isolation #128) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:09 pm

pain and suffering unwnd.

beeboy · Post Post #845 (isolation #129) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:15 pm

In post 841, Pink Ball wrote:Oh, Dunn is scum

It kinda hurts I am capable of being wrong

NDMath, ABR, Dunnstral... unlucky...

beeboy · Post Post #846 (isolation #130) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:15 pm

I actually still don't think he is Dunnstral even if he gave the chain to NDMath

beeboy · Post Post #855 (isolation #131) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:22 pm

In post 850, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 846, beeboy wrote:I actually still don't think he is Dunnstral
I am Dunnstral

I meant scum.
Dw your clean.

beeboy · Post Post #860 (isolation #132) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:26 pm

In post 852, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 846, beeboy wrote:I actually still don't think he is Dunnstral even if he gave the chain to NDMath
Do you think NDMath was the best lynch today?

It's what you said I don't want him to be the throwaway easy lynch but unlike you I don't care if he dies.

beeboy · Post Post #862 (isolation #133) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:28 pm

My old scum read Midway, (who could still be scum once I give the review him again since I promised farside).
And ABR is also safe, that's 2 scum out of the way but you cut off my POE Dunn

I don't we hit scum today at this point so I'd like to "trim some fat" which I can't do now.
Although you aren't wrong maybe forcing me to critically think about unwnd and cakez is for the best.

beeboy · Post Post #872 (isolation #134) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:39 pm

Spring is the hammer on her own team, it's 7 to hammer.
The team basically passed.

@NDMath pass it to farside/starbuck who can pass it to the other. We can't lynch them today.

beeboy · Post Post #873 (isolation #135) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:39 pm

In post 863, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 860, beeboy wrote:It's what you said I don't want him to be the throwaway easy lynch but unlike you I don't care if he dies.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=82699

You can compare with his iso here; he did not have many posts early game + he reads as analytical; he eventually became obvious town IMO (I was serial killer so I was looking between town and mafia), maybe not the town's opinion

I am taking a break, I put a piece of paper on my bulletin board to read this and review midway.

beeboy · Post Post #874 (isolation #136) » Sat May 30, 2020 1:40 pm

In post 872, beeboy wrote:@NDMath pass it to farside/starbuck who can pass it to the other. We can't lynch them today.

If I am gone someone ensure this happens.

beeboy · Post Post #896 (isolation #137) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:38 pm

@Starbuck.
Raya is in the quiz group and can't be lynched, please pass her the chain.

beeboy · Post Post #897 (isolation #138) » Sat May 30, 2020 5:55 pm

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.

I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

beeboy · Post Post #915 (isolation #139) » Sun May 31, 2020 8:06 am

In post 912, springlullaby wrote:The current quiz team has been already approved if I'm correct.

Everyone on it understand that they need to pass the quiz I believe.
I had a change of heart, probably best if another person than beeboy be nominated the next chain leader as they are at high risk of dying tonight, which would randomize the process.

Me being quiz leader saves me n1 and d2.
Discuss it in the quiz chat if you think it's all town and scum won't call your bluff.

But I like survival and feel like one of the few individuals that will out source the team to the crowd.

beeboy · Post Post #916 (isolation #140) » Sun May 31, 2020 8:07 am

In post 2, MariaR wrote:2) The Chainleader will be bulletproof for the night and cannot be the chain leader on consecutive days.

Uh actually I am asking the mod, I might be misreading this.

beeboy · Sun May 31, 2020 10:23 am

@Raya I still highly advice you give the chain to TSE.
ala plan 897

beeboy · Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 am

If you nominate me and I die spring gets to be chain leader a second time. Confirm with the mod yourself if you want.

beeboy · Post Post #960 (isolation #143) » Sun May 31, 2020 3:17 pm

In post 951, Raya36 wrote:
In post 924, beeboy wrote:@Raya I still highly advice you give the chain to TSE.
ala plan 897
I'm going to need some more convincing on this because right now I'd like to see TSE in the last 2.

Up to you really we have a lot of time to think it through and I have reads I need to figure out as well.
I personally just think his unwnd read comes from very frustrated town along with a lot of his other posts. But his ISO is much like mine becoming increasingly difficult to parse.

I'll read PB, unwnd and Sircakes in more depth so hopefully I can find some good reads elsewhere we can work with.

beeboy · Post Post #961 (isolation #144) » Sun May 31, 2020 3:21 pm

Otherwise a sick case on TSE would also be appreciated if you guys want to convince me I am wrong, otherwise I am going to work around the other 3 players to see if I can find scum or a stronger town read inside them.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:08 am

Wait why am I being passed to next now?
Is it cause you guys all want Cakez dead?

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:09 am

Raya > TSE > PB > Beeboy > Unwnd/SirCakez

^ This was the OG plan btw if I am not mistaken ^

I mean I think we need to brain dive why we want to give it to PB before we move on.

@Squad Why is PB town.
@Dunnstral and whoever else has spoken against him why isn't PB town?

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:10 am

I am starting to dig the idea of letting TSE or PB make the choice to kill mainly to just see what they decide to do with it.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:27 am

If you guys want me to be dead honest.
My strongest skill set in mafia is reading newbies and as a result I've spent a large portion of my carrier defending them which taught me how scum like to push new players.

I feel like a fish out of water this game lmao.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:28 am

Anyway so PB 2nd last picking inside Cakez/unwnd is the current plan?
Either move forward with the plan or wait until 9pm EST when I can read the 3 and give a better opinion.
Up to you guys.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:21 am

My role pm has a line of text that states it would fail if I was town. Despite you know me being town.
So I believe the 3rd line of his role pm is real even if he is scum.

Because my role pm talks as if it was also a scum pm.

I think the claim is uhh, NAI at worst, slightly believable at best?

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:11 am

To go rogue or not to go rogue.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:11 am

VOTE: TSE

ngl this thread is a bit too toxic to make jokes.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:44 am

Good luck PB

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:56 am

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:05 pm

I don't want to lynch unwnd on the sole basis I scum read ABR a lot.
But that's such a shit reason to tell PB to kill cakez.

But here is me putting the thought in his head
B)

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:33 pm

In post 1345, Pink Ball wrote:You guys gave me a power that's getting me drunk. I have so much control on the gamestate right now...

I want a town case on midwaybear. He's my biggest scumread and I'm making my decision based on that read.

I mean your read is correct (I changed my mind he gained towncred for a bit but Farside got me to reread him)

So uhh roll on that read.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:44 pm

I regret my life choices, I have an opinion now.
Unwnd should live monkaS.
PB please ;-;

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:54 pm

Tbh it's more the way Cakez fell off the grid as he started taking more heat.
While unwnd is staying here and is in fight or flight mode.

One of them is fighting for themselves, the other decided it's best to step away.

i.e I can see an agenda from Cakez POV.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:55 pm

In post 1363, beeboy wrote:Tbh it's more the way Cakez fell off the grid as he started taking more heat.
While unwnd is staying here and is in fight or flight mode.

One of them is fighting for themselves, the other decided it's best to step away.

i.e I can see an agenda from Cakez POV.

Like he is either backing off because he thinks unwnd barries himself, a scum buddy told him to fuck off.
Who knows what it is, but I am starting to think I was wrong on him in the early game and I can see scum actions right now

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:57 pm

I'd like someone to engage this read mainly just PB since he has the gun because on review I don't want Cakez alive out of the 2, and this read is entirely exclusive to the rest of my reads.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:11 pm

In post 1370, Raya36 wrote:
In post 1363, beeboy wrote:Tbh it's more the way Cakez fell off the grid as he started taking more heat.
While unwnd is staying here and is in fight or flight mode.

One of them is fighting for themselves, the other decided it's best to step away.

i.e I can see an agenda from Cakez POV.
So you think Unwnd's claim is genuine and town? I'm having a hard time seeing it

I said it's NAI at worst, ever so slightly favors them at best.
It's a fake claim or a real claim. It's too powerful in the hands of a wolf as a real role since it's a effectively a role that gives false guilties.

I don't think this game has a framer in it, that's just not good game design????
The role also makes sense compared to my role, the dumb clause is comparable to the dumb clause in my role that implies the pm was given to a scum player. I don't want to divulge too deeply what I mean because I am not getting mod killed quoting my role pm.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:13 pm

The claim is a fake claim or this game has a framer if you think that's a legit scum role.
Again it's neutral and I don't like Cakez dipping here.
It's really sketchy.

unwnd is here fighting for his life because he has no one guiding him to say he is digging his own grave each time he appears lol.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:15 pm

In post 1374, beeboy wrote:The claim is a fake claim or this game has a framer if you think that's a legit scum role.
Again it's neutral and I don't like Cakez dipping here.
It's really sketchy.

unwnd is here fighting for his life because he has no one guiding him to say he is digging his own grave each time he appears lol.

You need a good role yourself to look at my role and assume that high power scum roles make sense. Since turning an all town group into a group that "must" have one scum is game breaking.

I just think MariaR would give a reasonable fake claim so I am not giving it too much credit esp when I was null on both of them. But if we are playing the argue the role game I will gladly explain the town cases.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:16 pm

Especially I am willing to explain how that role is town when I want to see unwnd live.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:20 pm

PB do it, end it, give me my flip.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:24 pm

Serious question, regardless of alignment do you guys believe unwnds claim?
Because this entire time I've just assumed that's a very reasonable fake claim but I am just curious for takes.

If we believe the claim unwnd is town because framer kinda destroys this game by turning groups of 5 town into groups with "1 scum"

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:25 pm

In post 1382, beeboy wrote:Serious question, regardless of alignment do you guys believe unwnds claim?
Because this entire time I've just assumed that's a very reasonable fake claim but I am just curious for takes.

If we believe the claim unwnd is town because framer kinda destroys this game by turning groups of 5 town into groups with "1 scum"

On review my role pm is actually specifically worded to interact with unwnds role.
The quiz I am on always fails, it doesn't force me to vote no (which would let my vote switch)
I vote whatever I want but the quiz fails anyway kind of deal.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:32 pm

In post 1386, Raya36 wrote:Right. I agree that it's very powerful for scum. But it's also such an anti-town role. I'll trust you again on this for now though since you say it makes sense compared to your role.

I appreciate your trust, I am doing my best to not let you down.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:34 pm

In post 1388, midwaybear wrote:
In post 1383, beeboy wrote:The quiz I am on always fails, it doesn't force me to vote no
then how does it always fail?

Because my role forces it to fail.
I don't think my role pm included flavor to help me elaborate on this

smh mod

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:35 pm

Never mind it does include flavor, I am really stupid.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:38 pm

Actually unwnd can force me to pass.
Which makes his role not strictly anti town.
>_>

If unwnd had the ability to force me to pass why wasn't that notable for him >_>
@unwnd send help.

I am regretting the last 2 pages.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:41 pm

In post 1396, midwaybear wrote:you confirm this with the mod?

Yup, as soon as I stated the opposite I asked the mod to double check.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:44 pm

In post 1397, unwnd wrote:I don't think two roles exist in tandem to clear the other. Id rather be townread on my merit of being townie over a role i happened to get

I am just arguing your role is town since that's the counter argument people are giving.
I thought you were townier then cakez for coming in and defending yourself. I then proceeded to attack arguments against you.

Now i am wondering why your role counter acts mine but you didn't try and signal it at all?
I am not scum reading you for your role to be clear or town reading it, I am trying to understand your thought process.

I'll argue roles to push an idea I otherwise have but I don't care our roles make sense together, I want to know why you approached the day the way you did.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:45 pm

In post 1400, unwnd wrote:Wiho knows what will happen if i change your vote? Didn't you say you fail it regardless if you vote yes/no beeboy?

I said that 2 pages ago, not my original post about my role.
And even if I didn't I find it weird you don't think about how your role interacts with claims throughout the game idk.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:49 pm

In post 1405, unwnd wrote:Cause i legit don't think they interact the way you want them to, i feel I've been saying this whole game uh, referring back to myself? Something along the lines kf treating you like a claimed miller.

Listen I've got my own theories on what it all means do you wanna hear it

I mean I think you'd dive further into it and the mod confirmed that we were both wrong they do interact well together.
But like it's something I opted to check when I got full info and I feel like that's the rational thing to do. To question things and try and figure out interaction to best help the gamestate?

Idk I understand people aren't always going to act the way I believe is rationale though but still.

pedit: midway is scum i agree thank you.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:04 pm

In post 1410, unwnd wrote:Ok please let me get on my computer my phone posts are awful and i impulsively keep doing them

take your time. I'll stay quiet until your back

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:35 pm

This is town town this game sucks.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:35 pm

i figured out unwnd was town 2 seconds ago and danced around my cakez read too much >:(

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:36 pm

Honestly unwnd is the one less likely to be lynched sometime down the line.
=| sorry cakez.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:55 pm

Dunnstral why would a town want to fail and not send a pm.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:01 pm

In post 1452, unwnd wrote:I think my role helps us? I think?

Double negative utilty would be really bad, and if my role functions to make Beeboy not-miller that's dumb as well

i literally checked with the mod.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:07 pm

In post 1456, midwaybear wrote:
In post 1450, Raya36 wrote:I'm least confident about Unwnd being town and I see their ability hurting us, even unintentionally if town.
agree with this

I actually still disagree tbh.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:25 pm

Hopefully I am just bad at mafia.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:27 pm

incorrect.
pink ball is right here it's in the rules.

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:31 pm

Huh I guess I misread it :/

beeboy · Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:34 pm

In post 1496, Pink Ball wrote:Good follow up beeboy I think we got what we wanted

There's no way unwnd knew about the mechanics for how lazy he has been

Thank you and cakez going silent means my 2 brain cells that favored that lynch might have been onto something.

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:19 pm

Did the quiz pass or fail?

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:20 pm

NDMath, ABR, Midwaybear.

Badabing, Badaboom ggwp.

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:26 pm

We now have conflicting information.

Wolves were on the quiz team to fail it.
Wolves shot the person who we gave the vest to.

Unless unwnd tried to reverse someone and made a mistake, which would be the most rational explanation. w/e I'll let everyone check in before I start to go into brain wrinkling time.

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:35 pm

In post 1508, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1506, beeboy wrote:Wolves were on the quiz team to fail it.
Wolves shot the person who we gave the vest to.
And the person we gave the vest to was unwnd, so it doesn't make sense for him to be mafia who reversed the quiz (because it implies mafia shot at him)

Weird night results

My immediate reaction was "this is a bluff and unwnd is scum", issue with that is why do a bluff that can be seen through in literally half a second. Unless it's the double bait and they want us to think unwnd is scum bluffing??? Which makes me think role quackery because that's also a bad plan... :/

I agree, interesting result lol.

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:35 pm

In post 1512, unwnd wrote:
In post 1502, MariaR wrote:So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4 and day 5. Not Day 5 and night 5.

So if you guys gave me the chain night 1 I'd be bulletproof that night

Lmao they really tried to shoot me

Scum was in the group though, they knew you had a vest

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:55 pm

In post 1535, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1532, Dunnstral wrote:But nobody died, which doesn't make sense to me. Why would scum fail the quiz and then 'gambit' by not killing?
Why are you assuming theres no PRs that stopped the kill?

Honestly I am not considering it very much. I thought quizzes is where town power came from.

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:56 pm

@Dunnstral what were the rewards for succeeding and failing the quiz?

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:59 pm

In post 1540, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1537, beeboy wrote:@Dunnstral what were the rewards for succeeding and failing the quiz?
Reward: Town gets a JoaT
Fail: Mafia gets a JoaT

It wasn't specified who specifically got it, or what the powers were. I pointed out that if the quiz passes, town also got a confirmed town player

At that power level outside interference becomes far more reasonable tbh.

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:02 pm

Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:08 pm

In post 1550, beeboy wrote:Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.

^ This is serious I want people to verify they submitted pass to the mod.

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:14 pm

In post 1571, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1564, beeboy wrote:
In post 1550, beeboy wrote:Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.
^ This is serious I want people to verify they submitted pass to the mod.
I'm serious. I asked everyone to confirm in thread that they pm'd pass to the mod. Everyone confirmed it.

U n l u c k y

beeboy · Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:15 pm

now we wait for the town pr to needlessly out they protected someone.

beeboy · Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:59 am

If the theory is scum doesn't have a NK, then the JOAT gave them a kill (no reason to believe scum and town got the same JOAT).
Also scum hands down were able to tamper with the quiz.

pedit: I agree, I don't even think I am peek preforming bboy town this game.