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[Dunnstral]

I've thought about the strategy to this game today and it is optimal play for town is to just hand the chain to whoever they are confident is town and is least likely to get a chain from someone else.

The person who holds the most power is the 2nd last person to hold the chain since they choose who dies,

if we get a pool of 3 people, 2 scum and 1 town 33% of the time scum lives, same odds occur if we get a pool of 2 town 1 scum

since 66% of the time we have a 50% shot of hitting scum. So getting a whole bunch of scum at the end of our pool hardly helps us win. And letting town control who dies is incredibly valuable.

We also want a somewhat random town player being 2nd last so we shouldn't just select a "2nd last town" to make the kill, we want a fluid game state that allows for people to have free will especially in the early game since information is more valuable then actually hitting scum day 1 and 2. You can't solve a lot of players without letting them make hard hitting choices and by just shoving choices down their throat we can't ever get a solid read.

You used a lot of words to argue for everybody basically doing whatever they want and passing the chain to people they think is town

[Dunnstral]

It's not though; somebody gets to choose!

[Dunnstral]

So basically, someone towny should hold the chain to decide who dies. Makes sense.

[Dunnstral]

There's a lot about quizzes that isn't explained right now

Like, when do we vote for them? How many people fit into them?

Or am I missing something

[Dunnstral]

^Fake FoS

[Dunnstral]

3) The Chainleader will also nominate a group of players to go on a quiz. Players can vote to approve or deny this pairing. If the group is denied the chain leader must make a new team. If the teams are denied 3 times in a row the quiz is automatically lost. YOU MAY ONLY VOTE TO APPROVE OR FAIL A TEAM ONCE PER TEAM

Start us off

SpringLullaby

. Can you do any team size you want, or did you get information with the chain?

[Dunnstral]

mod: Are we voting on who is part of the quiz? If so is it a simple vote quiz player name is bold thing you want?

The Chain leader will purpose a team and you will be voting to approve or decline said team. If the team is approved that will be the quiz team. If it is declined a new team must be made.

You were supposed to read about that to confirm your role.
Unless your mafia.

Also I just said it here:

3) The Chainleader will also nominate a group of players to go on a quiz. Players can vote to approve or deny this pairing. If the group is denied the chain leader must make a new team. If the teams are denied 3 times in a row the quiz is automatically lost. YOU MAY ONLY VOTE TO APPROVE OR FAIL A TEAM ONCE PER TEAM

Start us off

SpringLullaby

. Can you do any team size you want, or did you get information with the chain?

[Dunnstral]

@Raya, @Dunnstral wanna make a pact to get the chain to the 3 of us upon receiving it?

IDK if I'm into plans like this. I'd probably send it to Raya on my own accord anyway though

[Dunnstral]

Explaining what?

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

Of course the 1 afk guy is the chainleader

[Dunnstral]

1. I'm typically apprehensive of those who go straight into game strategy where they force us to not have an RVS. You did that and thus, took away a semi-useful phase of the game.

Do you guys just not 'get' that there's no standard voting in this game? How are we supposed to rvs?

[Dunnstral]

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Your entire ISO is full of shade.
Think that’s some kind of OMGUS?
Then look at it yourself lol.

In case your unaware,
Shade = Throw Doubt
Dish
Blame
Make things look bad
Etc.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

Oh btw if your scum better move your little butt outta my direction and start puppeting me now.
You have a better chance puppeting me then going balls deep into me.
Because if you end up getting the tunnel and dying, you’ll understand why you NEVER fuck with Town!TSE when your scum.

I don’t just catch Scum right handed.
I torcher them and make them slowly feel pain one step at a time.
And I psychotically laugh to myself because I witness a bad guy suffering.

Yeah let’s just say it’s not beneficial for players to target me unless it’s good actual timing.

Like I’ll admit.
If you had a case on me or you quote something of mine you didn’t like.
I’ll accept that.
It makes sense.
But just straight out Shade.
Yeah you don’t wanna play that game with me.

Like if you felt I was being disrespectful here, my apologies.
But just don’t do that please. Thanks.

You should 'chill out' a little

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Pink Ball

Let's just play as normal.

VOTE: Pink Ball

Why Pink Ball?

RVS

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

Like, everyone had to clap to confirm their role, right?

Why are so many people acting like they have no clue what the

main mechanic

of the setup is?

[Dunnstral]

Your questioning how dorky I am. You think I'm bored or your bored and wish the convo would die or i would die.

I speak some fun imaginative emoji talk.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Pink Ball

Let's just play as normal.

VOTE: Pink Ball

Why Pink Ball?

RVS

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

Like, everyone had to clap to confirm their role, right?

Why are so many people acting like they have no clue what the

main mechanic

of the setup is?

Do you scumread it

It's kind of suspect, yes

[Dunnstral]

What has Dunn done to deserve the TR? He seems like NAI Dunn so far.

I think some of the reads on me in thread are pretty dramatized, or something

[Dunnstral]

1) Albert B. Rampage
11) midwaybear
13) springlullaby

[Dunnstral]

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

I'm going with Starbuck as town; I liked her response to what I asked her and she feels towny to me.

Midbeast as scum; the way he puts himself forward... Or something, feels like scum. He's not really doing anything but he's making an effort to post

[Dunnstral]

I log on and I see there are 8 new posts, but they are all from you.

And he's talking about a different game on another site

[Dunnstral]

This game might be another loss for me like that one.

The chain hasn't even been passed once

[Dunnstral]

We have clear players who aren't really involved in ways that are..argumentative? Is that the word I'm looking for. Just people who have been given more agency to do whatever they want. Such as Dunnstral/springlullaby/Pink Ball/Raya/SirCakez.

What are you expecting me to do here?

[Dunnstral]

I think I've put forward opinions that can be argued against, if that's what you're saying

[Dunnstral]

Your questioning how dorky I am. You think I'm bored or your bored and wish the convo would die or i would die.

I speak some fun imaginative emoji talk.

Lets see thumbs up, thumps up, thumbs down, thumbs down. Going with my first response is right and my second response in the other was correct. Which means you feel bad you want me to die. But great job to me for interrupting emjoi's
Thanks for the entertainment. Kind of needed it right now.

Maybe woosh but it's the konami code (B lush, A ngel)

[Dunnstral]

It's a cheat code for old arcade machines.

springlullaby, why haven't you answered your own questions?

[Dunnstral]

I think I'm gonna stop reading TSE posts

I really dislike that quiz team, Starbuck, Raya and Dunn are not good choices. I want to reject it if a different one can be formed.

Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear

This list even excluding me is not great

Explain x 2

No, in a game like this, scum would thrive on chaos.
I'll make sure the quiz team is sorted out first.

Need input from:

Dunnstral
Raya36
Starbuck
Pink Ball
NDmath

SL: What is the proposed team? I think the first one needs to be denied completely first....idk

I need dunstral removed from the quiz team.

Your read on me changed from null to 2nd most scum in a period of time where I hadn't been posting.

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

ok

[Dunnstral]

Approve Quiz Team

[Dunnstral]

Are we putting beeboy near the end of the chain list?

[Dunnstral]

I don't have PB as town

[Dunnstral]

Unwnd is scummy

Not sure what to think of midway giving me the chain, though I suppose it doesn't matter. Why didn't he give it to his top town unwnd?

[Dunnstral]

Alright, here's what I'm going to do:

VOTE: NDMath

Justification: My basis for this is that I want people to make a real choice for the lynch today (i.e. not the 'lurker' lynch)

and

I don't think his content is even bad, but I don't think anyone else will pass him the chain.

We can lynch in Unwnd/SirCakez today, preferably. I'll let other people read Pink Ball this game

I'm keeping in mind the quiz team needing to get the chain (i.e. Starbuck/farside won't be lynched)

[Dunnstral]

Eh I'm leaning town/nulltown on farside too

[Dunnstral]

OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

Can you ask if denying 3 times is an advantage for scum?
Instead of just once.

I think it's 3 denies. But just passing the team is the straight way to do it. I want no wiggle room for scum to automatically gain an advantage, instead of being forced to at least PoE if they want to fail the quiz.

Agree/Disagree?

To be fair, when you propose a team without asking other people first/discussing with them there's likely to be friction. And I don't think going to the 2nd/3rd draft is bad.

Let me put it this way: I think if we get to the 3rd draft, nearly every town player would approve of it

[Dunnstral]

My opinion is that we should wait to decide quiz until we have only 3-4 people unchained so we don't have unnatural hangproofs.

Disagree

Keep in mind that there may be things that take time inside of the quiz.

[Dunnstral]

Alright, here's what I'm going to do:

VOTE: NDMath

Justification: My basis for this is that I want people to make a real choice for the lynch today (i.e. not the 'lurker' lynch)

and

I don't think his content is even bad, but I don't think anyone else will pass him the chain.

We can lynch in Unwnd/SirCakez today, preferably. I'll let other people read Pink Ball this game

I'm keeping in mind the quiz team needing to get the chain (i.e. Starbuck/farside won't be lynched)

:!: spicy :!:

Why did you fake a townread on me and raya?

[Dunnstral]

4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

My role forces me to always fail the quiz. It doesn't really matter if I full claim that part of my role I guess.

Yes, that's what I thought. I think your claim look legit so far. I'd like other player input on how likely beeboy is to be a ballsy fake claiming scum.

My role isn't confirmable, I can just opt into failing the quiz if I am bluffing.

I meant to ask player more familiar with your play if they think are likely to breadcrumb/claim fist post day 1.

@sircakez @dunnstral she wants your help.

It's been years since I've seen you in a mafia game

I think you're pretty town - I don't remember your capacity to fake it though

[Dunnstral]

OK

So disregarding the chain for a moment, way at the start of the game, did you actually townread me to that extent?

[Dunnstral]

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

TSE got townier after a reread, so I wasn't so sure about unwnd. Dunn was a safe choice(IMO), so I went with him. Not sure why ABR scumreads Dunn.

Why did you pick the safe choice?

[Dunnstral]

Oh, Dunn is scum

Go on

[Dunnstral]

Chain reasons

Spring - Pressured and succumbed to ABR because he's scum(?) then gave him the chain(?)
ABR - TYRANNY gives it to midway who if I'm going by count was one of the top(?) FoS'es early on
Midway - Gives Dunnstral the chain despite not being a pivotal member of anything going on at all
Dunnstal - Gives NDmath the chain despite not being a pivotal member of anythign going on at all

Deny Quiz

I gave reasons when I gave the chain.

[Dunnstral]

despite not being a pivotal member of anything going on at all

This isn't good reasoning, by the way

[Dunnstral]

beeboy you just said you townread me after I asked you why you were faking a townread on me

[Dunnstral]

I actually still don't think he is Dunnstral

I am Dunnstral

[Dunnstral]

I actually still don't think he is Dunnstral even if he gave the chain to NDMath

Do you think NDMath was the best lynch today?

[Dunnstral]

PAGE TOPPPPPP

Sorry I had something very important to say

[Dunnstral]

Justification: My basis for this is that I want people to make a real choice for the lynch today (i.e. not the 'lurker' lynch) and I don't think his content is even bad, but I don't think anyone else will pass him the chain.

I acknowledge that he has not posted a lot
Players on this site have a tendency to lynch players who have not posted a lot
I do not think NDMath is scum for not having posted a lot specifically
The content he does have is decent - when he has more that can be evaluated as well. Also I just played a game with him and he was obvious town (I night killed him)
So I don't want him to be the lynch on day 1

[Dunnstral]

Whereas you, unwnd, keep taking pot shots at me for "not producing content" when I feel like I'm doing OK, then say you're used to me not producing content (ok??? I don't remember the game this was from, maybe this is true), and keep pointing that out even though you don't think its ai

Along with other weirdness in your iso, and general disagreement of reads that feels scum motivated. Not related to TSE - I've started skimming over that stuff

[Dunnstral]

It's what you said I don't want him to be the throwaway easy lynch but unlike you I don't care if he dies.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=82699

You can compare with his iso here; he did not have many posts early game + he reads as analytical; he eventually became obvious town IMO (I was serial killer so I was looking between town and mafia), maybe not the town's opinion

[Dunnstral]

Felt like every other post that wasn't @ tse was including me in some list of people who aren't doing anything

[Dunnstral]

midwaybear; why did you go with a 'safe' option?

Did you not want to give the chain to one of your townreads?

[Dunnstral]

I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

(in context that I'm 'not town enough' to be a townread)

We have clear players who aren't really involved in ways that are..argumentative? Is that the word I'm looking for. Just people who have been given more agency to do whatever they want. Such as Dunnstral/springlullaby/Pink Ball/Raya/SirCakez.

This is a list I want to eventually come back to and will become more important as time goes on.

We have clear players who aren't really involved in ways that are..argumentative? Is that the word I'm looking for. Just people who have been given more agency to do whatever they want. Such as Dunnstral/springlullaby/Pink Ball/Raya/SirCakez.

What are you expecting me to do here?

Nothing based on the games I've played with you

Dunn and Pink both make posts and then I don't think about them at all, one of them being Dunn where I think the game needs to go on longer before I commit and the other being I don't know Pink at all

Dunnstal - Gives NDmath the chain despite not being a pivotal member of anythign going on at all

[Dunnstral]

I don't think I've ever been able to read you well

[Dunnstral]

You're evading me 'cause it's convenient to you to avoid me now.

How is it convenient for me to avoid you?

[Dunnstral]

Oh, Dunn is scum

Go on

You're the kind of player who I wouldn't expect to let the rest to get a read on me.

I don't believe that this is true.

[Dunnstral]

They all say something different

[Dunnstral]

You're evading me 'cause it's convenient to you to avoid me now.

How is it convenient for me to avoid you?

'Cause I'm being townread right now. You can't push me today, you can't scumread me 'cause it will lead to nothing. And you can't townread me either, 'cause if you do, your future case on me is not as good as it would be if you just leave me at null. That's what I think you're doing.

p-edit but they all were about the same post, you could say those three things in the same post. Disregard that, I'm not implying anything with that and it was sassier than I want to.

I don't think I've ever been able to read you well

This could be true, but why losing the opportunity of being right this time? You're a good player, better than me.

Oh, Dunn is scum

Go on

You're the kind of player who I wouldn't expect to let the rest to get a read on me.

I don't believe that this is true.

Maybe I have the feeling that you're cockier than you really are.

You're thinking in 3 dimensions but I'm playing in 2

I haven't been plotting anything nefarious with my read on you

I don't have a read on you

[Dunnstral]

The good news is, after a lot of chain movement, we're still getting content and no stalling. At least one scum is outside the chain right now and that's good

Why do you think at least one scum is outside of the chain?

'Cause if every scum were safe they could shut up and let town fuck things up

This still doesn't make sense since most people in this game are town and can continue to talk

[Dunnstral]

@mod: what happens if a quiz team member is nk'd? Does the quiz fail?

The setup would be impossible if it worked like that

[Dunnstral]

Why not me? Why not Raya? Why not Dunn?

Why not unwnd? Why not ND? Why not midway?

You say a lot but you don't give your whys.

I've talked about you, and Raya and Dunn don't feel like they've earned any sort of TR for me.
I'm uncertain about most people this game tbf

That's cool

None of us are getting lynched today though

What do you think about Pink Ball, unwnd, and TSE?

[Dunnstral]

By the way:

2) The Chainleader will be bulletproof for the night and cannot be the chain leader on consecutive days.

[Dunnstral]

What are you guys talking about with Silver Bullet?

[Dunnstral]

Actually he didn't deny it - he danced around the idea of denying it but never voted, and I think that looks worse

[Dunnstral]

When is it appropriate for town power roles to claim to avoid being lynched?

[Dunnstral]

imo Sircakez + Unwnd for bottom 2

[Dunnstral]

Catching up, I've read some parts

SirCakez feels town right now; I'd lynch Unwnd personally, the claimed role isn't

that

useful in any case

[Dunnstral]

Honestly unwnd is the one less likely to be lynched sometime down the line.
=| sorry cakez.

You think so?

[Dunnstral]

sircakez tone really feels like a resigned townie
and how are we supposed to use unwnd's role in our favor? I still don't trust him
pedit: lynch unwnd

Basically the same post as me as I was typing out my post

This is towny to me

[Dunnstral]

Townies do not automatically pass the quiz.

4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

[Dunnstral]

For clairfaction sake. Town can not 'fail' the quiz. They can only pass it. However at night they still must pm me that they pass the quiz.

...and if they don't pm you, the quiz fails?

So they

can

fail the quiz?

[Dunnstral]

Townies do not automatically pass the quiz.

4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

You're just making my point stronger you know that right? Read what I'm arguing: Townies shouldn't be given the option to sabotage themselves.

Meh, it seems like if somebody doesn't vote the quiz automatically fails regardless of what you'd make them vote though

[Dunnstral]

Wolves were on the quiz team to fail it.
Wolves shot the person who we gave the vest to.

And the person we gave the vest to was unwnd, so it doesn't make sense for him to be mafia who reversed the quiz (because it implies mafia shot at him)

Weird night results

[Dunnstral]

For a second I thought you were proposing the same exact quiz team again

[Dunnstral]

when you vote someone for chain leader, they become BP. Scum know this. They did NOT try to kill unwnd.

Unless there was no scum in the neighborhood but it failed because ____? Power roles

[Dunnstral]

I'm happy to get the chain but I would really like the rationale divulged given we're sitting on a failure

The vote was 4 to 1 for you to have the chain; everyone but springlullaby agreed.

My justification is that you claimed an active power role vs Beeboy's negative utility claim, and by protecting you we'd be playing towards the worst case outcome (scum in the hood, allows you to 'clear' someone in the hood by making them pass)

That being said.... why didn't you use your power?

[Dunnstral]

@mod how many players are needed for the next quiz?

[Dunnstral]

So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4 and day 5. Not Day 5 and night 5.

So if you guys gave me the chain night 1 I'd be bulletproof that night

Lmao they really tried to shoot me

Scum was in the group though, they knew you had a vest :|

But nobody died, which doesn't make sense to me. Why would scum fail the quiz and then 'gambit' by not killing?

[Dunnstral]

ABR you can't sit here and say that part of what happened last phase was a bit of your fault? The moment we started haphazardly throwing the chain around is the moment me and cakez both got down to the bottom two. I'm not gonna chainsit but I need a few things before I pass it.

Don't rush this day phase; we have time

[Dunnstral]

I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Farside looked towny IMO, changed my read there
People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO
Honestly, I think it's Raya if anyone. He's been playing it safe the whole time, there was a moment where I voted unwnd for the quiz and raya instantly hammered it in which caught me off guard. I think he may be playing a safe game here, emulating his last town game I was in - except I feel he had more analysis in that game

[Dunnstral]

@Dunnstral what were the rewards for succeeding and failing the quiz?

Reward: Town gets a JoaT
Fail: Mafia gets a JoaT

It wasn't specified who specifically got it, or what the powers were. I pointed out that if the quiz passes, town also got a confirmed town player

[Dunnstral]

But nobody died, which doesn't make sense to me. Why would scum fail the quiz and then 'gambit' by not killing?

Why are you assuming theres no PRs that stopped the kill?

Because the quiz itself is kind of like a doctor? You make someone bp every night.
Pr stopping the kill is a possibility.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn did you hammer me as chainleader before pass/fail? How did the vote exactly work in relation to pass/fail of the quiz? Because ABR does make a point that if scum was on the quiz they'd be shooting themselves in the foot for no reason

I don't get what you're asking; pass/fail was by pm, chain vote was in thread

[Dunnstral]

We hammered you ~24 hours in or so

[Dunnstral]

Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.

We all claimed to have submitted pass in the pt, so nobody 'forgot'

[Dunnstral]

Did that close the PT?

no, it was open to the end

[Dunnstral]

Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.

^ This is serious I want people to verify they submitted pass to the mod.

I'm serious. I asked everyone to confirm in thread that they pm'd pass to the mod. Everyone confirmed it.

[Dunnstral]

i cant believe this terrible bullshit. We need to lynch midway, farside, starbuck. STARTING WITH STARBUCK

We start with midway

Midway wasn't a part of the failed quiz

[Dunnstral]

now they can block all the next PRs we get. wtf

What do you mean? Why are you assuming the joat has a roleblocker?

[Dunnstral]

That's not true to my knowledge

[Dunnstral]

I don't think ABR has a read progression on me that makes sense. On day 1 they call me scum for basically no reason at all that I can see, now when the quiz has failed (I was on the team) it's Farside/Starbuck instead?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn didn't say much about any suspicion on raya in the pt.

I didn't want to stir the pot if the quiz was going to pass. There was no reason for me to say anything about Raya in the pt (and if the quiz passed, I would believe him as town)

When I initially voted unwnd chainleader, I was under the impression that Raya was going to be pushing for beeboy - instead he instantly hammered unwnd in a post that came out in the same minute - now, to be fair, he also had some analysis to go with that, so it's like... I asked if there was no p.edit in pts but apparently there is.

Now, I could be wrong - between You, Spring, and Starbuck, I think Starbuck was behaving oddly in the pt - it's like she was pushing spring in advance, knowing that the quiz would fail - though why scum would do that IDK.

As for you not knowing that the person we were voting was bp: I assumed you knew it after the mod clarification - so you never saw that? What about the posts where I was arguing to give it to unwnd so he could give a result in case there was scum in the quiz group, and playing for the bad case scenario rather than the good case scenario?

[Dunnstral]

I think there is a very high chance that scum simply doesn't have a nk.

Then why is the quiz leader bulletproof?

[Dunnstral]

Wait - are you think the mafia JoaT has a vig attached to it, and that's where scum power comes from?

[Dunnstral]

So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4 and day 5. Not Day 5 and night 5.

This should explain it

[Dunnstral]

I don't get why this setup is more stacked against town just based on numbers

I understand that the chain mechanic is potentially scumsided - is that it?

[Dunnstral]

I think you need to consider that failing a quiz = town knows there's scum in a group of players

[Dunnstral]

We can still lynch scum, even if one has gotten the chain further up the chain, though

What we need to avoid is having scum as the person who chooses who dies, to be honest - as beeboy said at the start of the game

Now that I mention that, why did that plan fall apart yesterday? It was supposed to be beeboy at the 2nd to last position on the chain

[Dunnstral]

OK, I get what you're saying. Are you assuming that scum passes to each other?

[Dunnstral]

Midwaybear is Confirmed Town.

He's not, though..

[Dunnstral]

Your deduction is worse than your grammar ^

[Dunnstral]

The more you demand the chain, the less I want you to get the chain, out of principle

[Dunnstral]

I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Farside looked towny IMO, changed my read there
People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO
Honestly, I think it's Raya if anyone. He's been playing it safe the whole time, there was a moment where I voted unwnd for the quiz and raya instantly hammered it in which caught me off guard. I think he may be playing a safe game here, emulating his last town game I was in - except I feel he had more analysis in that game

Just wanted to go back to this for a moment.
Did you read my thought on how spring reacted in the quiz pt with the nom?

Yeah... if we're thinking of the same posts in the pt, I read it. I'm not scumreading Spring for those posts

[Dunnstral]

I think the quiz team should be me, unwnd, farside, Raya

This is a really bad team suggestion...

[Dunnstral]

Why are we putting raya in the quiz after they were on the failed quiz team?

[Dunnstral]

im town, so are Raya and ND.

How did you reach these conclusions?

[Dunnstral]

I wanted to say that ABR is the scummiest player, but his anger feels genuine and I agree that we definitely did not use the mechanics in our favor yesterday. I agree with ND that we should decide the quiz team after not before passing the chain. ABR is still on my radar of suspicion though.

It was town oriented to decide the quiz first then pass the chain

His anger at the start of D2 seems fake.

Fight

[Dunnstral]

I've been reading your posts

[Dunnstral]

I have an idea

Let's decide on the quiz first

Then pass it to everybody but the 5 of us who were in the last guy, plus a sixth person who first passes it to one of us

[Dunnstral]

*clap*

Why did you make this post?

[Dunnstral]

I read the rules after I sent my confirmation PM

So why post it in thread instead of my pm?

[Dunnstral]

*by

[Dunnstral]

Why?

Because I believe there's scum in the group and that's where I want players to focus today, and I want people to take stances

[Dunnstral]

just something to think about in regards to the quiz group:

unwnd, beeboy, PB and NDMath.

I know Spring said she was scum reading PB but I don't think I saw anyone else with a read on ND???

I like this quiz group suggestion; except I still don't think beeboy should be on the quiz due to their role

Playerlist:

1) Albert B. Rampage
10) TrueSoulEnergy
11) midwaybear

Pick your poison; one of these players for the quiz, or are we recycling from the failed quiz?

[Dunnstral]

You think there is scum in the PT: yet you are pushing for two easy lynches which are 3/12 odd, rather than 1/5 odd. What gives?

I'll be the one to point out that 3/12 is technically better odds than 1/5

[Dunnstral]

Anyways, Raya is making me reconsider, so the only person I’m comfortable “recycling” would be farside.

More inconsistent reads; you gave me the chain yesterday because you townread me

[Dunnstral]

Ok, we’re deciding the quiz EOD anyways,

OK, thanks for letting us know

@unwnd so what are we actually doing with the quiz?

[Dunnstral]

You must take me on the quiz team.

since all the scum dont want me to go

This doesn't even make sense; even if you're town and on the quiz team, someone else can fail it, so why would scum specifically care about you getting on the quiz team?

[Dunnstral]

Springlullaby, remember that thing you talked about?

Scum being in the quiz group means that scum are aware of your argument

[Dunnstral]

From Raya's pov if they are town it should actually be 3/11 and 1/4.

3/11 is still better odds than 1/4, though

[Dunnstral]

From Raya's pov if they are town it should actually be 3/11 and 1/4.

3/11 is still better odds than 1/4, though

I'm not arguing that? In the context of the discussion it just indicates to me that Raya isn't a mathy person, or agreed with me assuming I'm town.

What makes you think there's only 1 scum in the quiz group?

[Dunnstral]

Back to PB, how do you propose scum on the qt would have influenced her a

If PB is scum they'd have probably been told about it, after which they'd act like they weren't told about it - which isn't very hard, for this topic.

[Dunnstral]

Back to PB, how do you propose scum on the qt would have influenced her a

If PB is scum they'd have probably been told about it, after which they'd act like they weren't told about it - which isn't very hard, for this topic.

Yes, but it doesn't change the nature of PB's answer.

True, and for me their answer is neutral and I don't see them differently

[Dunnstral]

True, and for me their answer is neutral and I don't see them differently

Imagine PB is not in a neighborood. Would you say their answer is neutral or not?

Yes; neutral response to me

[Dunnstral]

You must take me on the quiz team.

since all the scum dont want me to go

This doesn't even make sense; even if you're town and on the quiz team, someone else can fail it, so why would scum specifically care about you getting on the quiz team?

I'm bored. Make something happen quickly

Waves hands

There you go, Unwnd will pass the chain or propose a quiz in his next post

[Dunnstral]

If the quiz passes we have 4 basically conftown players. Plus Beeboy who is basically conftown. And unwnd who is such a strong general town read he might as well be conftown too.

If the quiz fails we know scum is within the pool of 4 quiz members. Is only 1 then it's a 25% chance of catching scum.

Wrong, if the quiz pass, you have 1 confirmed town player within the quiz team: the one who receive the advantage.
Because it is more than plausible that scum has a tampering power, as you have stated yourself.

Why are you reasoning so wrong?

It never said that the one to receive the advantage would be within the quiz team fyi

[Dunnstral]

This talk about using the same group as last time sounds silly to me.

[Dunnstral]

A thing to note.
Farside and Starbuck refuse to interact with each other in an actual interaction.

What are you talking about? I was interacting with farside all Day yesterday and last night in the Quiz PT, and it's time that I interact with those that I don't read as town.

You guys we’re both in quiz PT?

You can't be this disconnected

[Dunnstral]

If you want to win Town, lynch Starbuck
If your town Starbuck, scum will be spewed after your lynch.
If your scum then your buddies will be spewed.

The optimal play here is to lynch Starbuck and the game is won.

Please elaborate on both scenarios.

Starbuck being scum confirms Farside as scum.
Leaving the final scum within Dunn/Raya

Starbuck being Town means my Solving PoE is wrong.
And Spring and your slot are brought back into PoE.
I may also be wrong about math in that scenario.

So the entire scum team was in spring's day 1 quiz?

[Dunnstral]

That looks like the team I was asking for, so I'm more likely to approve it

[Dunnstral]

Oh yeah

I don't understand the difference between beeball being in the quiz vs someone else being in the quiz - either way, that person is forced to vote pass, right? So why does it matter

[Dunnstral]

Chain Order 2.1

unwnd

(5)

- unwnd >beeboy>Raya36>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:

(7)

- Titus, Dunnstral Pink Ball, , NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear,

Quiz Team 2.1

Purposed Team

(4)

-

unwnd, NDmath, Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy

Approve

(4)

- TrueSoulEnergy, Raya36, Titus, unwnd

Decline

(4)

- beeboy, farside22, midwaybear, Starbuck,

Not voting:

(4)

- Dunnstral Pink Ball, NDmath, , springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-18 00:17:43)

@Mod - you missed spring's vote in her post #1983 - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11880759

as well as ND's in his #1980 - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11880715

@PInk Ball

You vote next

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Why did we instantly put almost everyone from the quiz pt onto the chain?

[Dunnstral]

Ad hom be damned, are you really this dense? Have you not read how the mechanics work?

Nevermind the mechanics, he's not even reading the game

[Dunnstral]

Pink ball, the quiz vote is 5-5 right now, it takes 7 to approve the quiz, which means if either one of us denies it it fails. What do you think?

[Dunnstral]

What were you reasons on day 2?

[Dunnstral]

I think that a controversial quiz party is something interesting we could discuss right now before casting our votes.

In one hand, I'd like more approval for the quiz party we are choosing rather than a 50+1%, that's not very good, there should be a party we could all agree more. Also, I think town would be more open on denying a quiz party than scum; in this scenario, no matter if the quiz party is composed by town or not, I think town is rejecting it.

In the other hand, if the proposed quiz party is entirely town, at least one scum is declining it. In that case, I'd love to see if this quiz party passes the quiz, 'cause then we would have a PoE in the people who rejected it. And if the quiz fails, then we have a PoE on the people inside the quiz. It's like... a win win.

I think the latter is solid, but I haven't thought in a better party to propose so I'm not entirely convinced.

Reject Quiz

^ No need to overthink this, the exact same quiz team can be proposed again if needed

[Dunnstral]

I agree with beeboy here. My townreads so far are {beeboy, unwnd, spring, TSE, starbuck}. beeboy has been doing a lot to keep us together and it's fine that he changed his reads. unwnd's reaction at EoD was pretty townie and the way he has handled the quiz team proposal today doesn't really feel scum motivated? spring is sorta a gut TR that I believe in. TSE I was really doubtful(if he is scum, I have gotten hard pocketed). However, this seems to be his meta, and I'm fine with it. Starbuck I also had doubts about, but her last few posts seem like she is genuinely trying to understand the game.

This leaves {Titus, ND, farside, PB, Dunn, Raya}. My hot take is that PB, ND, Titus are town, but I'll have to think about it.

Weird read shift on me following in the heels of beeboy

[Dunnstral]

I think that a controversial quiz party is something interesting we could discuss right now before casting our votes.

In one hand, I'd like more approval for the quiz party we are choosing rather than a 50+1%, that's not very good, there should be a party we could all agree more. Also, I think town would be more open on denying a quiz party than scum; in this scenario, no matter if the quiz party is composed by town or not, I think town is rejecting it.

In the other hand, if the proposed quiz party is entirely town, at least one scum is declining it. In that case, I'd love to see if this quiz party passes the quiz, 'cause then we would have a PoE in the people who rejected it. And if the quiz fails, then we have a PoE on the people inside the quiz. It's like... a win win.

I think the latter is solid, but I haven't thought in a better party to propose so I'm not entirely convinced.

Reject Quiz

^ No need to overthink this,

the exact same quiz team can be proposed again if needed

No, it can't.

3) The Chainleader will also nominate a group of players to go on a quiz. Players can vote to approve or deny this pairing.

If the group is denied the chain leader must make a new team.

If the teams are denied 3 times in a row the quiz is automatically lost. YOU MAY ONLY VOTE TO APPROVE OR FAIL A TEAM ONCE PER TEAM

I don't think it's that literal

[Dunnstral]

Keep reading, Dunn.

The once per team thing means that if I vote to approve the quiz, I can't then change to decline

[Dunnstral]

Just now saw 2250; I don't think that was explained anywhere.

In any case, it's not a huge deal

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

This is a team I will approve.

I don't care if I have to deny 3 times, if you put forward a dealbreaker team then it's no deal and no quiz tonight.

There should be at least one scum in here, if my theory holds. My eyes jump to Dunn and SirCakez.

You realize you're ABR slot, right? Why does there have to be one scum in the grouping he agreed with? Is that what you're implying? Or is it Beeboy's grouping?

Come out and say what you mean.

[Dunnstral]

Also you've been here for, like, a week. Am I supposed to believe that you didn't know that Sircakez died?

[Dunnstral]

She started a reread on her own slot specifically to point out how toxic ABR was

And my bad, 4 days. I guess that isn't enough time to realize that SirCakez hasn't died. Why isn't that guy posting or getting prodded, by the way?

[Dunnstral]

I fail to understand what you're doing but you're at least more active than NDmath, what are your thoughts right now?

Or just say nothing that's cool too

Hi. I'd like to hear what you think about the next quiz group, I think we should sort that out asap.

I think there's scum in Raya/Starbuck, leaning Raya. I think Spring is town. I'm not sure on Midway, not really scumreading him. Titus looks like Scum.

When I asked Pink Ball if he was approving or denying the quiz he gave me a nonanswer which is kind of sus, though the post was fine

[Dunnstral]

She replaced in Saturday...
And if you read, you would know she started a reread. Nice try Dunn

This is a weird post, actually.

[Dunnstral]

2439 is valid, I think 2420 is a misleading question; Titus is asking if all town pass the quiz through the process by pming, not if all town can pass the quiz by pming

[Dunnstral]

I fail to understand what you're doing but you're at least more active than NDmath, what are your thoughts right now?

Or just say nothing that's cool too

Hi. I'd like to hear what you think about the next quiz group, I think we should sort that out asap.

I think there's scum in Raya/Starbuck, leaning Raya. I think Spring is town. I'm not sure on Midway, not really scumreading him. Titus looks like Scum.

When I asked Pink Ball if he was approving or denying the quiz he gave me a nonanswer which is kind of sus, though the post was fine

So my guess is your the scum with Starbuck and Farside.

I mean I think we either lynch you today and get rid of a scum or lynch Midway today to help town get on the right track and actually lynch the real scum.

1. So you think all 3 scum were on the last quiz?
2. You sure don't seem to care whether we lynch someone you think is scum vs someone we lynch is town

[Dunnstral]

My theory, shall it be accepted, is that spring is scum. ABR was loud, vocal, and wrong. Scum wanted him alive and had Spring do it because they feared that ABR would be left out due to toxicity, thus losing a townbeard.

Let's see who ABR suspected.

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

This is a team I will approve.

I don't care if I have to deny 3 times, if you put forward a dealbreaker team then it's no deal and no quiz tonight.

There should be at least one scum in here, if my theory holds. My eyes jump to Dunn and SirCakez.

I don't like these posts. This doesn't feel like real analysis.

[Dunnstral]

Also why do her eyes 'jump to SirCakez'? Obviously she hasn't been reading the guys posts!

[Dunnstral]

Sigh.

You're not going to convince me that I'm mafia

[Dunnstral]

Where did this read come from? When did you start reading Raya/SB as maybe a scum between the 2?

I talked about it in 1539

I think there's scum in the quiz group, and I don't think it's you or Spring

[Dunnstral]

I think there is at least 1 scum on that qt and it's going to fail.

Yep. That this is even getting votes is crazy to me.

Deny Quiz Team

[Dunnstral]

Follow up question: Why?

Because I still don't think it's Spring/You, and I'm not convinced on mafia messing with the quiz. Raya has been playing it safe with his reads too, and he never looked into all his townreads on the quiz members, and Starbuck is poe, I don't feel as good about her

Do you think I'm wrong?

[Dunnstral]

I think there is at least 1 scum on that qt and it's going to fail.

Yep. That this is even getting votes is crazy to me.

Deny Quiz Team

Another deny is proscum IMO.

It's not proscum

Whatever you propose for the 3rd time, I'll have to accept it; as will the rest of town, so it pretty much never fails

[Dunnstral]

I just feel like if I nominated either of you even if there was Starbuck/Raya on it, you would still agree.

No, I wouldn't - I don't want to be the scapegoat for one of them to fail the quiz with

[Dunnstral]

I think there is at least 1 scum on that qt and it's going to fail.

Yep. That this is even getting votes is crazy to me.

Deny Quiz Team

Another deny is proscum IMO.

It's not proscum

Whatever you propose for the 3rd time, I'll have to accept it; as will the rest of town, so it pretty much never fails

So if you're placing your bets on this do you believe I'm town and that whatever I choose is beneficial? If that's true, then why have you denied my picks twice?

You're likely town but I don't believe "whatever you choose is beneficial" - that's fundamentally not how it works.

The first quiz was very split + Pink ball was kind of fence sitting with his answer so I had a weird feeling.

[Dunnstral]

I just don't understand a position where you think it's going to fail right, and then even if it does you at least can have your cake and eat it too. Which gives me pause about my own thoughts in some aspects.

What?

The quiz failed yesterday with almost this exact team

[Dunnstral]

So you're saying even if this fails its a good thing because we've narrowed it down?

[Dunnstral]

So even though I'm not on this quiz team, and I'm voting against it, I'm going to be blamed for it failing? That's a classic

[Dunnstral]

What if it doesnt fail lol

Then I get blamed for the day 1 quiz

[Dunnstral]

So even though I'm not on this quiz team, and I'm voting against it, I'm going to be blamed for it failing? That's a classic

Name 6 People you would like on the quiz team.

There aren't that many people I'd like on the quiz team.

Starbuck, I hate to ask but with the scum, TSE and Pink Ball being the remaining people, can I have the chain?

I don't like this post

hmph
well don't forget that I townread sir cakez when the discussion started to float around that him and unwnd were going to be the final two

^^ This is weird. Like I "don't forget that one thing I did, guys"

Agreed

Who didn't follow the plan of saving the quiz team?

Spring, ABR, and Dunn,

What plan?

I am with PB I want more flip based info in order to solve Dunn I think he'll be easy to solve with a few of those.

What.

[Dunnstral]

My thought process behind that is
TSE-me-pink ball/spring- pink ball/spring - Dunn or titus
Final two should always be Dunn and titus

Why should I be final two?

[Dunnstral]

{PB, Titus, Midway, NDMath, TSE}

You have to assume all 3 scum is in that small group of 3 people though if you believe my theory.
Which is why my scum pool was the way it was.

I am not ready to argue that yet though I want results on the quiz being ran back first.

There's scum in that grouping, likely even two. Not all three, though

Unless I missed a memo somewhere there is typically more then one scum in a game. Not sure why you wrapped this into only NDMath option.

We can only lynch one person at a time, so why do we have to focus on the whole team right now?

He’s passing it to Dunnstral
If not, he’s giving it to Pink Ball
Mark my words
:facepalm:

You are so smart.

I wanted NDMath dead because if this was somehow negligence then the slot that is least active by a large margin gains massive scum equity.
So NDMath is just always scum. Either by quiz 1 being all scum or by being the one most likely to not submit a kill / see a thread update.

That is a bs reason to scumread me.

Which of Pinkball and Dunn are gonna be our chain decider so I can pass to the other?

How much do we trust Pinkball to keep letting him decide who gets lynched? If he is in that position multiple times it is really bad if he is mafia.

I complain a lot less as scum. Actually, I don’t really complain as either alignment, but whatever.

You're the one who brought up the part about you complaining, as far as I can see.

Deny Team

:yawn: I am 70% sure it is going to fail tonight without tampering.

This post is weird. You obviously knew the quiz had just been hammered in, why make a show of resistance now?

[Dunnstral]

TSE, even if you disagree with me on what alignment they are, do you think Spring, Dunn and midway share an alignment?

This feels like a setup. I'm thinking back to how ABR passed the chain to midway when he was the consensus scumread of day 1.

VOTE: Dunnstrall
Pinkball gets to be the decider again.

It's cool that you gave it to me but that doesn't necessarily make PB the decider

Actually he didn't deny it - he danced around the idea of denying it but never voted, and I think that looks worse

I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Farside looked towny IMO, changed my read there
People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO
Honestly, I think it's Raya if anyone. He's been playing it safe the whole time, there was a moment where I voted unwnd for the quiz and raya instantly hammered it in which caught me off guard. I think he may be playing a safe game here, emulating his last town game I was in - except I feel he had more analysis in that game

Dunn: why did you bring up springs non vote on the team day 1, but never follow up after?
Can you give more detail what you found scummy about sb.

990 is talking about Sircakez, not Spring
I don't have more detail on SB - I told you it was poe from who I thought was town, and they weren't my top scum pick in the grouping

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: springlullaby

[Dunnstral]

Also, ND admitted he scumread me because he didn't read my posts as townie which is questionable.

Why is that questionable?

[Dunnstral]

If anyone passes to spring/dunn day 3 they are scum claiming at that point.

[Dunnstral]

Let's just watch Titus flip scum and move on tbh.

Amen

[Dunnstral]

That would be great, but Dunn you have to admit you're feeding us with a spoonful of paranoia

I'm not doing anything.

[Dunnstral]

.W
.|
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.^

Go forth noble soul

Take this weapon and put an end to Titus' scum rampage

[Dunnstral]

Wasn't somebody else doing the 'I'm doomed' routine in this game earlier?

[Dunnstral]

Say my name and I will appear

[Dunnstral]

Say my name and I will appear

Nvm, I thought she said 'Dunnie one'

[Dunnstral]

I'd hate to interrupt whatever you guys are going here, but back to the game: Titus is highly likely to be scum and we should clear out that slot today, vs leaving it alive. The opposite of what PB is saying here.... Titus is worse to leave in the game

[Dunnstral]

I do think Titus could be scum, but if she is town she'll push the right people (the same people I would push) and with more energy than me. And if she's town I don't think she gets to endgame anyway so I don't see the problem

This looks like a reason to lynch Titus vs one to save her

[Dunnstral]

It's just spring, Dunn and midway dude, let Titus live

Go on

[Dunnstral]

I think your reaction when I said I was scumreading you back in D1 was weird

Well, I don't think so.

midway's inconsistencies are all over the place and they're too much to call it "too scummy to be scum".

Sure, why are you saying I'm their partner though?

and you've not been collaborative towards having a better, cohesive townbloc and rather just be agreeable with whatever is going on.

I'm pretty sure that saying I've been agreeable with whatever has been going on is a huge misrep, since I've been the opposite for most of the game

[Dunnstral]

'Sabotage Checker' sounds like it checks to see if mafia chose to fail the quiz or not externally, rather than check an individual person. or am i on the wrong track?
It does look like he was softing something with Farside that from my point of view at the time made no sense at all

I'm not mafia so here are the possibilities:

1) Spring is mafia
2) Starbuck is mafia and either went for a wifom play or was forced to vote pass
3) Outside interference

What was the mafia reward for failing the quiz?

@Mod What happens if we lynch one of the 3 players in the list today? And can mafia choose to nokill tonight?

[Dunnstral]

hurt: spring, ND, midway

we are lynching dunnstral so replace him with ND

hurt: spring, dunn, Starbuck

...?

[Dunnstral]

In no way should Starbuck be a Town read nor do I understand how they are a townread.
Cake scum read them.

@Farside I want your full read on Starbuck in full detail.

Look at Raya's role and what he was doing day 2

[Dunnstral]

How many players does the quiz need?

[Dunnstral]

Still waiting for suggestions for the quiz for tonight from players.
Also I would like to discuss who is going to give to which player for chain. PB if I give it to you next who would you give the chain to?

Unwnd + Farside + 1 to 2 others, don't put Starbuck back on the team.

[Dunnstral]

The reward is the player who is chain leader would not be BP for the night.

That's pretty minor, to be honest

[Dunnstral]

Why are you role claiming?

[Dunnstral]

The reward is the player who is chain leader would not be BP for the night.

That's pretty minor, to be honest

that the quiz passed last night thus giving me, farside, and Unwnd FOR REAL conftown status?

FALSE
scum can pass the quiz

No, they wouldn't have given what they would have won.

Why did you say what you said in 2951 if the reward is as outlined in 3005?

[Dunnstral]

^This is why we clarify things

[Dunnstral]

I don't really want Spring on the kill because I think most people want to lynch her and she dies anyway. As I see it, I think Dunn/Spring as the final 2 would be fine. They need to be sorted out regarldess. I want to use Hurt in a more efficient way instead of doubling what people are saying.

That being said, With Dunn/Spring being at the bottom 2 that leaves Pink Ball, Midwaybear, and NDmath for the quiz. I say we go with this because the more people that do the quiz? The better. It tests to see what happens. I'm starting to think the quiz is a resource more than an efficient tell for things, therefore I think our best odds rely in what happens with the chain. The hurt thing is pretty cool too.

*shrug* I probably won't be nk'd if I'm on the list, unless it's with two mafia members. You can put me in to narrow things down if you'd like. Beeboy can be made the next quiz leader so that mafia can't kill him, and then option 3, which mafia probably kill unless they're mafia themself

[Dunnstral]

Or we can do me, spring, starbuck.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn: Why did you pick Spring yesterday for the chain?

'Cause I didn't think she was scum, I didn't like that you guys all grouped up amongst each other at the start and passed the chain to each other then made the quiz yourselves, and I didn't think anyone else was going to give it to spring if I didn't

[Dunnstral]

I think it's starbuck + midwaybear + somebody else I don't know

[Dunnstral]

What about this: Spring/Dunn bottom 2.
Force scum to shot TSE/Mid/SB

My ideal here is:

Midwaybear/Starbuck bottom two

Pink Ball, Spring, ____ for the group of 3. Ideally whoever we don't lynch in the grouping above would be down here.

[Dunnstral]

What do you think of:
You + Unwnd + NDmath for the quiz group

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

If this were a normal game, Midwaybear would have been the day 1 lynch, and if he wasn't, he'd be the day 2 lynch

He definitely wouldn't be here taking potshots on day 3

[Dunnstral]

- sabotage cop reveals that scum can tamper with quiz: Raya was reading Unwnd as scum d-1 after his claim.

I'm pretty sure Raya would have said something if he saw something, though

[Dunnstral]

*she

[Dunnstral]

No, I think there's a protective role at this point in the game

[Dunnstral]

Stop saying 'stop talking about the bottom two'

[Dunnstral]

Spring I don't get your theory: If unwnd tampered with the quiz night 1, why is he also scum with farside, who was actually on the quiz? Why wouldn't she have just failed it instead of scum using their resources?

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to claim now since ideally scum kill is limited tonight due to the mechanic + people are talking about putting me in bottom two, and tomorrow is a very dangerous lylo by my count if we mislynch today:

I'm masons with NDmath

More specifically, out role name is 'Best Friends', and we have no private communication between the two of us, but we know each others alignments

SO, with that being said:

Deny Quiz Team

I have bad feelings about the neighborhood between Spring + Pinkball

[Dunnstral]

this is why I explained to midway that I don't think ND/Dunn were chain passing as mates and

Awkward

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My theory is that the Town Joat would have been pre-assigned to one of me/NDmath on night 1

[Dunnstral]

We're not neighbors