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vote: licketquickety

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sup

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Popopo. You will be my voting slave this game as payback for me having saved your ass in Large 227. Deal? Good.

ok this works for me

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i never use those beta vote tags and i never will

vote: osuka

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I am a Miller Mason

im going to choose to believe this for now

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i refuse to engage in this nonsensical vote tag back and forth any longer

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no we are not lynching the claimed mason.

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no more claims

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59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

what do you think the average iq for players on this site is

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if truth is not a mason it will come out eventually

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norwe who am i voting here

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Interesting. I would like everyone to know I am a

Miller Mason

. I have buddies but I won't be revealing who they are at this time. For now, I will act as their representative.

We would like a nice clean thread clear of profanities. Whenever giving a read or placing a vote, we would like a reason attached as to avoid people having to ask for the reasons. Thank you, we'll let you know if there's any updates.

Once upon a time I would probably have thought this was weird but at this point in 2020 I could be suddenly devoured by a 99 tentacled cthulhu monster appearing out of nowhere in the California sky and be entirely unsurprised

I can already see that osuka is approving the push and shading me. Do you think this could be him testing the room to see if there's support?

this is a retarded misrep

Are you aware that the average teenager on Fortnite is more polite than you are

both of these posts are forced as fuck.

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Quick, if you are town i implore you to abandon this push. It’s quite a reach to assume someone is scum for claiming miller mason, and then suggesting they will only tell the truth when they’ve already stated their name has no bearing on behaviour.

Oh, you are trying to dialog with a SR. That's interesting. "shoot first ask questions later"?

Having a dialogue with your scumread is natural and has many benefits to town. Don’t like how you’re trying to portray it negatively here.

No offense, but you are totally wrong here.

I really hate this white knite of Truth here. I've stated WHY I think they STARTED with a truth gimmick, namely, because they said they would crumb their mason buddies when there's not really a reason to do that unless you are 1) new OR 2) establishing a truth gimmick. The fact they know what a crumb is means the purpose for stating they would crumb is pointless, since it should be fairly apparent that they would do that regardless, hence, it's 2. Which means they have already broken character in favor of meeting their win con.

I would also point you to the last half of 44, which is an established pattern for me at this point in my Town play. Remember when I was tunneled on you and you were Scum? Yeah, think I am doing that here only to someone else.

can you at least accept that if he is lying about his role it will become apparent when no one claims mason with him

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I have buddies

Given this ^ it's a hood and not actually masons.

this makes sense. i dont see it likely there being 3 masons right?

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still, i dont think outing the hood, masons or not, is a good idea.

mason miller makes very little sense as a role no? if a cop checks, masons can just come in and say he claimed miller to us in our masonry, then what...

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I have buddies

Given this ^ it's a hood and not actually masons.

this makes sense. i dont see it likely there being 3 masons right?

if there are 3 masons there are probably no town prs

what is the purpose of this post. why speculate about whether there are town PRs? this post is role fishing.

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I could also buy that you are just Scum, thought the hood was actually a masonry, and claimed millar as a kind of "oops" that you couldn't have known how hoods work.

Spoiler:

Animated GIFs go behind spoilers, thanks!
~Deimos

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popo, why is it a bad idea to out if I'm just in a neighbourhood?

I would like this answered if possible, popo.

gives scum info they may not have

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u could be lying and town. town lies about shit constantly in current site meta

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im opposed to prs outing themselves on day 1 in general. miller is an exception obviously

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EV

elaborate

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i meant to quote the whole post there.

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Lmfao this fucking guy

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vote: nauci

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still, i dont think outing the hood, masons or not, is a good idea.

mason miller makes very little sense as a role no?

if a cop checks, masons can just come in and say he claimed miller to us in our masonry, then what...

Do you think Truth is telling the truth about his role?

i don't know. Probably not.

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its crazy that this needs to be explained but

a lynch is the only thing guaranteed to be in control of town. there are always more town than scum, town players possess more votes, therefore town controls the lynch. on the other hand, mafia controls the night play, they have a factional kill and often have negative PRs to interfere with pro-town PRs. also there is no guarantee pro town players don't completely fuck up their night actions.

all no lynching does is give scum an extra night kill. if we no lynch day 1, any PRs will be operating blind. it gives you less information for day 2, a day 2 lynch after a NL day 1 is just as much of a crapshoot as a day 1 lynch. town is also handing over a player to scum for no reason, and losing a voter. also the game is balanced around a day start, and town lynching day 1. i cba to do the math but im sure it gives us one less mislynch if we nl day 1 too. just a terrible idea all around

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My disappointment with half this playerlist is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

i exist to please you nii-chan im sorry u feel this way

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So I haven’t fully finished the read but wanted to comment about LicketyQuickety going after the miller/mason claim. In 84, you mention the two possibilities for going after Truth’s claim. I would argue it’s #1 and he’s new vs #2. Post 52 should tell you that. Truth saying he has his mason buddies coming forward to verify his claim, that would look horrible coming from scum. If scum!Truth is fake claiming miller/mason then his buddies would be scum. To 1) be scum and suggest his partners will verify his claim is one helluva gambit if ANYONE of them were to be lynched, you could easily link them together 2) to not know how that would sound saying he has buddies coming forward with players being skeptical of his claim and not being aware of the optics of this. This tells me that he hasn’t even considered how scummy it would be to say “hey guys. I have a private chat and will show guilty to a cop’s investigation, but don’t worry cause I’ve got people in that private chat to verify I’m town.” That sounds scummy af and Truth seems to just not have even considered the optics. Basically his 52 reads to me like someone being like I’m confirmed town cause my buddies will back me up without even considering scum could make the same exact claim with scum buddies backing that fake claim up. As of right now, I hafta accept his claim here (at least for now).

There's one problem with this...

In hoods, it's extremely common for there to be at least one Scum in the hood. That's pretty par for the course.

we just played in a game with a 3 town hood

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Thank u norwe

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im just gonna make the choice to ignore truth until mechanics/claims give us more info

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quick is probably town, seems like standard quickposting going on here

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i never said truth isn't scummy and in fact i would very much consider a lynch on that slot

why

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@Popopo
Scum has been caught. Vote GuiltyLion with me or you will be scum claiming. K tnx.

Ok senpai

vote: guiltylion

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Norway is trying reeeaaaaalll hard to act

super

confident that he caught me

This post oof
This is caught scum posting

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Do you feel we have a legitimate claim 7 pages in?

I don't think there is a rule that you can't claim within 7 pages...

What do YOU think about the claim? Do you believe they are millar?

I think I'm accustomed to Saudade claiming mason every game, so I think I could care less. I was trying to offset my bias with your opinion.

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I kinda don't like this post.

-Apathy
-laziness
-voting for no reason

Don't like anything about this post actually.

• I don't see how it's apathy when I'm asking you questions. Apathy would be ignoring you entirely.
  
• Lazy is a strong accusation to make. Lazy compared to who and using what metrics?
  
• I definitely have a reason for voting you. Is your accusation your way of asking for it?
  Voting you will help me sort you, Glitch, and osuka all at the same time.

Looker, why did you vote for Quick?

To sort more players than Quick

lol this game is going to be a clash of egos huh

That's any game where the players are insecure. Don't let that poison you.

Why with all this to go on would we still be in RVS?

Simple - a mason claim is self-resolving: Truth should die tonight or get lynched tomorrow. I'm not fond of people hijacking my attention as a form of distraction. There are still 11 other people that I have to go through.

I'm just gonna say Looker really bugs me with the very little contribution he has. There's nothing good he contributed here.

Would you prefer an overexaggeration of word vomit that no one's going to read? Please challenge my thoughts: With what that I've presented do you disagree? Are you accusing me of playing it safe with my first two posts of the game...? Your expectations are unclear.

Glitch and Looker, remind me why you two are voting Quick?

Is this sarcasm? Everything here is written down...forever...why would you need to be reminded of something...? The intent is to sort.

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I should have more time to post this weekend; sorry I've been so busy.

do you have any reads

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Norway is trying reeeaaaaalll hard to act

super

confident that he caught me

Finally, if you were truly confident that you caught me, you wouldn't feel compelled to hedge like you did in the last sentence. "IF GL flips scum, I'm gonna celebrate" like ok bud, you know I'm not flipping scum. If you were town and thought you caught scum and were proud of it, you'd be bragging already and asking others to join you, not awkwardly trying to pretend like you're already proud yet still introducing uncertain tone into it and suddenly switching to future-thinking ("I'm going to celebrate" vs being in the process of actively celebrating).

So is he trying really hard to seem confident or is he hedging? You criticize norwe for doing one thing and then you come at him for doing the opposite too.

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Looker needs to give some reads/any reads

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The other thing I don't like about popoppopoopoppopo's vote:

You previously said Nauci was "forced as fuck" and were voting her. Then she quotes one, yes ONE, post of mine she doesn't like, and votes me, and your response is to put me at L-2 with no hesitation? Did your read on Nauci change? Do you think she just decided to lolbus me cause Norway wants to play like he's some RVS god, even though I later linked a game where I opened the exact same way as town? It seems pretty dissonant to me!

VOTE: popopopopopo

I'm in indentured votitude to norwe if u have a problem with my vote take it up with him

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Truth,

Question 1

What was the thought process behind your miller hood deciding that you would be their representative?

If I was in a group with 3 people and we needed to make a high attention play like that on the first day, we would choose the most experienced player or player with the most relationships with people.

I literally cannot conceive of a scenario where they just go 'Hey June 2020 joinee, take the ball and make the second post in the thread and claim you are a miller mason' and I say that as a June 2020 joinee.

Can you give me a brief summary of the thought process that went into this decision to appoint you as their representative?

Question 2

You were earlier voting for someone accusing you. As soon as I made a post asking if NL can be optimal, you immediately jumped to NL parroting my reasoning that there's no clear info.

If you honestly believed that there were no discernible scum in the beginning like you seemed to believe, why did you vote for LQ the second he started pushing you?

the general school of thought on this site is that miller should claim on their first post. Idk why he claimed the masonry tho

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Town lean, tho I'm not sure how its relevant

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Town lean, tho I'm not sure how its relevant

Why do you townread me?

you've been scumhunting since first post, push on lion seems genuine also this post

Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies,

We don’t even know this game has a doctor. Or investigative for that matter. Stop being so backwards and learn to play mafia. You signed up to a normal, not a newbie game. Shit’s serious here. We vote scumfucks out of the game and depend on analyzis. PR’s are just tools that sometimes help and sometimes fuck town over. We are not going to depend on them today. Is that understood? Now tell me your reads and vote a scummy player or i will policy lynch both you and your no lynching friend for screwing this game.

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Ok please do not lynch me until i can post some analysis, there is a lot to go off on my wagon

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The other thing I don't like about popoppopoopoppopo's vote:

You previously said Nauci was "forced as fuck" and were voting her. Then she quotes one, yes ONE, post of mine she doesn't like, and votes me, and your response is to put me at L-2 with no hesitation? Did your read on Nauci change? Do you think she just decided to lolbus me cause Norway wants to play like he's some RVS god, even though I later linked a game where I opened the exact same way as town? It seems pretty dissonant to me!

VOTE: popopopopopo

This post claiming issues with my vote is leaving out the VITAL fact that I am norwe's vote slave. In doing that, he completely misrepresented my supposed reasoning for switching votes. The push feels fake and based off a misrep. Norwe was cranking the pressure up pretty hard my man guilty needed a release.

VOTE: popopopopopopo

He feels like he doesn't care. I also saw some reasons from tiger cat that I liked.

i mean who tf knows with this guy. He wants to nolynch, then he wants to quick lynch. Idk his alignment but certified VI

I agree with everything here.

VOTE: popopo

This was quick vote on me i fucked up the tags
I've only played with quikc town. in those games he was prone to crackpot theories, unorthodox pushes like he was going at truth with. BUT This vote is very weak especially after all his other interactions he hops on me with GL because of GLs bad and misrepping post.

VOTE: popo

Lol ill be phone posting all weekend but look at this dudes iso its all townreads and then a naked hop on me. Could be the worst vote on my wagon. This guy is straight cruising and found an easy spot to park his vote but I ain't mislynch bait like that bro.

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Oh and mavsfans(??????) Still has his rvs vote on me. Mavsfans do u think I'm scum? U haven't found anything suspicious in 20 pages?

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Do you really feel telegraphed sheeping is enough to prove you're town? If you were to flip town, would you want us to lynch GuiltyLion next?

when did i suggest it proves that im town? all i said was his vote left out the KEY fact that i am norwes vote slave atm, which make the dissonance suggested in his accusation obviously false.

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LicketyQuickety - town lean his vote on me was bad but quick likes an illogical bad push as much as anyone so it doesnt surprise me he voted me. his incessant pushing on truth early feels town motivated coming from this particular player.
NorwegianboyEE - town lean i explained already
Looker - town lean responded well to my request for reads even if we dont completely agree
osuka - null town feels like a saudade type player where he just calls people retards and argues. hard to read, but the argument with truth seemed genuine enough
Truth - any read i have is irrelevant, mechanics will sort. im more inclined to believe the claim than not.
Glitch - null seems like a noob. i find this type of player hard to sort. at least looks like hes trying.
Nauci - null his early posts pinged me as forced, he has been posting more thoughtfully since.
Candy Shop - null dont really have an impression of this slot, this is the NL guy right? ok i checked his ISO. idk
ndmath - null no impression of this slot
mavsfan41 - null-scum him coming in with a vote immediately after i call him out is not a good look
GuiltyLion - scum lean i explained
Cat Scratch Fever - scummy his vote was opportunistic and his iso has been bad, handing out townreads like candy and little scumreads is mafia indicative especially early game

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i owe norwe big, more than owe him im in debt to him. the reactions i am getting for this schtick also has been and will continue to be fruitful

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Looker - town lean responded well to my request for reads even if we dont completely agree

Are you talking about this?

Spoiler:

Most informational flip: GuiltyLion
Secondary options: LicketyQuickety / NorwegianboyEE
Gray Area/Reasons I'm not ready to end the day: Glitch / Candy Shop / Mavsfan / Cat Scratch Fever / rozyrozNDMath / Osuka
Comfortable with delaying inspection: Truth / popopopo / Nauci

Looker didn't even give reads - he just said which slots were good info lynches?

yes thats what I was talking about.

mavsfan41 - null-scum him coming in with a vote immediately after i call him out is not a good look

Why is this weird? He said he was in the middle of catching up earlier.

the timing is suspicious. It could also be a coincidence i grant u.

Cat Scratch Fever - scummy his vote was opportunistic and his iso has been bad, handing out townreads like candy and little scumreads is mafia indicative especially early game

Which townreads do you disagree with?

Its less about me disagreeing with them that it is the way you hand them out.

Cat scratch leans town on quick and nauci, then he semi- walks back the nauci read after a light prod by norwe (203). Then he town reads norwe and osuka, and hops on guilty for no real reason

lol this game is going to be a clash of egos huh

I'm townreading Norway and I think osuka is townish. Still think Quick is prob town but he seems to have trouble getting his point across

VOTE: guiltylion

Notice he doesnt call guilty scum here. Doesn't really provide a reason for his vote at all.

In fact cat scratch never calls GL scum, except he does post this

I think Quick and Osuka are TvT right now, and this back and forth is rapidly growing tiring to follow. Why don't we all hug it out and vote GuiltyLion or something

So here there is a push for more votes on guilty. He's never called guilty even scummy tho? But he's voted for him and called for others to vote him. Then he votes for me, with no explanation of either his original guilty read or his new vote on me. He provided a reason for the vote on me when I pressed him.

I'd vote cat but guilty is likely his partner so ill stick with nii chan for now

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BTW cats vote on me was sheeping GLs attack on me after already voting for GL and calling for others to vote there. A bizarre turnaround.

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I'm also curious why you don't think Looker's vote on Guilty was opportunistic

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So GL OMGUSd me and started a counter wagon to deflect attention and his partner cat hopped on innocuously a couple votes in?
Sometimes its just that easy

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Do it king

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Why did you reverse the order lol

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My question is how long will this shtick go on? "Norway told me" isn't going to be a valid excuse.

that is the question, it'll stop when i feel like it is the best answer i can give u

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vote: cat scratch

GL last couple pages was ok

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@Popopo, can you tell me your actual reads now? Our contract is rescinded.

my reads i already put out

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after sleeping on it and the last back and forth im not as confident on the GL/cat scratch scumteam. Scratch is scummy independently though, his early play was intentionally inoffensive and his hop on my wagon was very bad.

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I still think lions push one me is bad, but his aw shucks demeanor and trying to see things from norwes POV make me feel less strongly about it. I'd like more votes on cat his iso pre voting me is very poor as I've laid out.

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Osuka should definitely come in and give his thoughts on players other than truth/quick

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Scratch is scummy independently though, his early play was intentionally inoffensive and his hop on my wagon was very bad.

I literally just played a game with scratch scum which ended right after this game started - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go - and they felt way more scummy and bland/intentionally inoffensive there than they do here.

I actually give them a fair amount of towncred for the way they scumread me early because I was posting/efforting so much in the other Blitz game as it was ending and hadn't started doing my thing yet here. That made sense from a town mindset

meta means very little to me, i dont really use it, it can be twisted and manipulated by both the player themselves from game to game and by people using it to back up points.

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that glitch wall is funny since i had stopped the vote slaving by the time he made that post lol

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attacking me for the vote slaving, there's no scumhunting there. it was a fun joke with norwe that evolved into a pretty unique reaction test that stimulated a lot of discussion.

glitch attacks me for the slaving, after i had stopped, and he doesn't even acknowledge that the slaving had stopped by that point (just a little further up the page!). i'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he hadn't seen my vote on cat, but its a bad look.

@Glitch now that i'm no longer norwe's vote slave are you still comfortable with your vote.

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IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

Not sure i agree... but ok, not a hill i'd want to die on.

Scum's job is to lynch Town. Town's job is to lynch Scum. That's the only reason why Town looks Town and Scum looks Scum. Otherwise SOMETIMES Scum wants to look Town, but not at the expense of lynching Town. Does that make sense?

i don't think this does. if scum looks like town and town wants to lynch (what looks like) scum, then the obvious conclusion is that town will not lynch scum, which in turn means that town gets lynched (by exclusion, assuming a lynch)

Sorry, your fundamental way you play mafia is WRONG.

lol @ this whole exchange

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he either missed it or left it out on purpose

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He was much more engaged in Large 227. Here he posts big walls and dissapears.

Was he tho? I remember he was completely off the radar until he claimed vig

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I read NDs ISO. its definitely noncommittal. He calls guilty scum but doesn't vote him, then when called out does vote him.

I interpreted the post as being annoyed they didn't have as many townreads as they would like, and picked you because of prior experience and not having posted as much as other slots.

This as the reason for voting someone is...not good. And gl has posted a lot i feel.

I scumread candyshop because of his no hang argument and lack of things I see town motivation in.

Why is the nolynch suggestion scummy?

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popopopopopopo (2): Truth, Glitch
Nauci (2): Cat Scratch Fever, NorwegianboyEE
osuka (2): Nauci, GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion (1): Looker
LicketyQuickety (1): osuka
Cat Scratch Fever (1): popopopopopopo
Glitch (1): LicketyQuickety
NorwegianboyEE (1): mavsfan41
No Lynch (1): Candy Shop

Not Voting (1): NDMath

Let’s consolidate. This spread of votes is ridiculous. Nobod TR’s NDMath right?

What are your thoughts on cat scratch fever. Since I cased she's been MIA and even naked prod dodged. Her early play was quite scummy

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Welcome Blair. The guy you replaced was pushing for a nolynch, so you have a lot to live up to

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are there any philosophers that arent old white dudes or nah

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So he's either mason or mafia. He isn't be the hang today, so I'm not gonna give further comment until it's a day we could realistically hang him.

scumslip?

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By some of the meta argument it supports the conclusion I'm scum this game so I'm bringing it up before someone else does.

this is weird also? what in particular does it support ?

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i still prefer cat scratch today, good to see someone else feels the same

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id like an explanation from ndmath of the similarities between his play in this game and the completed scum game

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CSF's ISO is full of:

A. Safe pushes

B. Clarifying questions

C. Mediation of misunderstandings

These are all things I reliably do as scum when I want to coast, and CSF and I just completed a scum game together so the mind-meld makes sense.

But that's not how I play scum

lol, what kind of response is this

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Cat scratch showing up and posting again on cue after Blairs push. Won't vote ndmath because *reasons* . Glitches case is good even if it just reiterates what i said in more words.

Cat scratchs hop on osuka is opportunistic as fuck. Notice how she only votes osuka after norwe indicates an interest

I’m not sure i’m feeling either a Glitch or CSF lynch today, but i could definitely go for either NDMath or Osuka.

Now osuka is a very easy wagon to park a vote on. This is because a) he has been tunneling truth for being stupid, which I think is NAI but also easy to point to as "scummy" and b) his posting other than that hasn't felt super engaged, which again i find NAI on day 1. And c) one of the most active players in the game just said they'd be fine with a wagon there.

VOTE: osuka

I think I prefer this over Glitch, who I'm not sure isn't just new town who scumreads people for not explaining reads.

Mainly sheeping Nauci's metacase tbh. I also think him forgetting to use his vote is scum indicative

There are two problems with this vote that I see. The first is that it was only made after tacit approval from norwe of an osuka wagon just a few posts earlier. in fact, prior to norwes post approving of the osuka wagon, cat scratch had never said he scumread osuka. The last definitive read on osuka cat gave is here

Why are they both town?

As for your leads questions, I was suspecting osuka before that if you check my earlier posts.

Based on their back and forth, I think they both believe in their pushes. I can also understand why they each scumread the other even though I disagree with it.

They're both independently towny as well. Quick has demonstrated that he has an unusual process of scumhunting, and I think his process is hard to fake.

I'm gut townreading osuka.

Why is osuka scummy for thinking you could be lying about being a mason but not wanting to take the risk of pushing you? A lot of people have expressed disbelief in your mason claim yet no one is pushing for your lynch off the top of my head.

Holy shit

and until the post cat made voting osuka he had not mentioned him as a scumread as far as I can tell. So osuka has gone from a gut townread, in a TvT with quick according to cat scratch, to now being cats big scumread.

Now as for the reason for voting osuka, cat scratch cited sheeping Nauci. Nauci isn't even voting osuka, he's voting NDmath, so you're sheeping someone who isn't even convinced of their own point. Id like cat to elaborate on the osuka read, is it just the push on nauci you find scummy cat?

Also cat calling the 3 votes on him as a counterwagon to ND is rich considering I voted her LONG BEFORE ANY ND WAGON and Blair replaced in and came with a fresh scumread. Glitch's vote is the only thing that could fit under that description and his reasoning was fine IMO.

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Sorry I keep forgetting you're a girl and using the wrong pronouns cat i will try to remember going forward

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@norwe I don't know. They could be buddies, or she could see a mislynch coming and be defending him for town cred. One other thing i found weird is that cat scratch was defending nd, calling him town. And then suggested that the wagon on her was a counterwagon to the ND wagon, which seems to imply that nd is scum

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Damn u arrogant.

What is your definition of arrogant. My guess is it's different than mine because you are a younger generation than me.

ok boomer

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Damn u arrogant.

What is your definition of arrogant. My guess is it's different than mine because you are a younger generation than me.

ok boomer

Answer my question, young gun. Your style isn't as impressive as you think. There is only one Quick.

Whats the question

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Lol

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50 day page 1 nice

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shit

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50 page day 1 nice

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Naucis meta case on osuka is actually decent. I didn't like cat scratch's jump on the wagon, but there are some valid points and I don't think it's a bad choice if I can't get more csf enthusiasm

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It's kinda weird how active the day has been but no one's been run up to L-1 or even close. scum are playing passively?

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I gave up trying to make sense of truths posts 40 pages ago

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vote: osuka

back to l-1

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if id been around when quick put him at l-1 id have said intent to hammer and asked for a claim, so someone should do that now

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Should we hammer osuka now? I would like to get to the next day.

Reminder for doctors to protect me please!

do you see this shit? this is a scumpost

there is a wagon most people are happy with on L-1 and there are days until deadline AND there is a very active discussion happening around said wagon. If this is not a very deliberate attempt at ending discussion early, i don't know what is

ok but does scum truth really claim mason miller in his first post? why?

do you think he is scum, but in a hood, and just claimed mason instead of hood for some reason?

or do you think there is no hood at all, and he is just scum making a gambit that will get him lynched as soon as we mass claim?

furthermore, do you really think truth, who is a new player, tries an audacious fakeclaim like this in his first post of the game?

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like if truth changed his claim and said he was in a hood, then that would make me look at truth very hard, and if that becomes the case later on, we will cross that bridge, but as of now his lynch just can't happen today

this tunnel is bizarre. its almost like osuka saw something wrong in the play of truth, and is attacking the "wrongness" more than scummyness. it's a line of attack that isn't rooted in scumhunting, but more in playing the game "wrong", and osuka feels like he's latched onto it and refuses to see much else.

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really i should reread this game, the day has gone loooong

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eh i think that exchange was scummy tbh

hes locked in, feels like he can't get off it at this point, this is what he's going with

the logic behind his push feels off, i know i said it was NAI before but like when truth says something like "im a mason miller, need docs on me tonight" it shows he fundamentally misunderstands the game, yes, but it isn't scummy, and the way osuka continues to insist that it is makes less and less sense from a town mindset

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im ok with an osuka or cat scratch lynch

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He claimed already bub

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vigilante shooting town n1, seems about right

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Popopo, i FOS you based on these current flips and your play yesterday.

How's that

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I will reread this game this week

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Are people doubting my mason claim because I didn't die? I think maybe mafia didn't target me because they were scared of doctors being on me. Which is great!

ima continue osukas legacy by calling you brainless here, dummy

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Just as there is little reason for town there is little reason for scum.
You need to think as a newbie, not a crack mafia player. Newb!town would think it’s a good idea while newb!scum wouldn’t even consider the possibility of fucking fake claiming "mason miller".
Try to think a little bit clever lmao. Lynching Truth would be playing right into scums hands of forcing his mason teammate to claim.

If he's Scum, he's just pretending to be a newbie. Stop being bad. There's no reason for a newbie Town to claim there.

LOL do you really think he is some alt who's pretending to be a complete noob. i highly doubt this.


i can see the thought process from truth if hes town. when you look up miller on the wiki it says to claim in your first post. and maybe he didnt have the idea of partial claiming in his head so he just fullclaimed.

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i dont think we can speculate to setup after 2 flips, most any roles are still possibilities here

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I'm a vt

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I thought norwe was pretty town

Scum might have a framer or some shit

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I dont really see scum norwe faking a guilty out of the blue

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I am the vig I shot cat scratch. I knew it was a non legit guilty because I am town, so I fake claimed vt because I knew its a fake guilty. I didnt consider gunsmith in that decision and that's me being dumb.

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I'm 2 shot

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Also: Why use one of your two shots on Night 1?

I'm a vig i shoot

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Have you ever rolled Vigilante before?

i dont remember

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Also: Why use one of your two shots on Night 1?

I'm a vig i shoot

Why did you claim VT then?

i explained

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I mean, you pretty heavily implied you thought it was dumb for a vig to shoot night 1 when you entered the thread today complaining about it?

i was mad at myself, also it throws people off me being the vig if i complain about the vig shot

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cat scratch, i thought she was scum

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think the right move here is for us to collectively decide who Popo should shoot tonight

this makes sense to me

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vote:ndmath

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im not shooting truth

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i think one of looker dunnstral or ndmath is scum, maybe 2. like the fact that both those major wagons were on town and it took that long for either of them to go through points to an inactive scumteam.

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Why are you trying to no lynch?

Have you read the game

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vote: blair

He's lying

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unless there could be 2 vig?

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Might as well MC at this point

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Yea that doesn't really make sense blair. Blair is clearly lying. First she gives instructions for the vig and lays out this plan to lynch elsewhere then for a fake vig to shoot me tonight, and then she turns around and claims vig herself. Scum really want me dead. Sad!

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Blairs actions make zero sense from town pov

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Might as well MC at this point

Let's not btw. I think it's pretty obvious we've got what we need. A vig counterclaim on you was all i really wanted to see.

I think we should MC. Why do you want to deny town information?

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"Please out more PR's guys! I'm not scum i promise!"

Well let's see. You outed urself as gunsmith, you outed me as vig, and csf is a dead doctor. I don't see their being many other PRs. A mass claim would be useful. Popcorn to nauci.

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I'm town, so i knew the cop claim was false. Thats why I claimed VT, no sense in outing my PR for a false guilty

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when I flip town and this game is a 1000% WIFOM cluster fuck maybe norwe will learn a lesson about partial/fake claiming to "catch people out" being extremely anti town.

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I have a guilty on Popopo. Happy?

I saw this post. I didnt even think of gunsmith, the possibility didn't enter my head. So I assumed it was a fake guilty or a framer

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Why would I out my PR in response to a guilty investigation I know to be false

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thank you quick, the only reasonable logical player right now it seems

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vote:blair

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nope. listen Looker, blair is scum here.

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vote: popopopopopopopopopopopo