Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[Datisi]

oh boy, 3am! (or 3:18am i guess >_>)

VOTE: aldus

good night

[Datisi]

nevermind i can't sleep

can i suggest just eliminating datisi d1 and shelving mech discussions until later?

can we just set aside our differences and kill datisi together :C

love you too, duckee

also assuming donc is vanilla because he made a meme account from a game that was all vanilla is meh but

[Datisi]

also i still don't see how claiming our games on day 2 does anything other than potentially spew some people VT

[Datisi]

i seen it, thank you <3 <3 <3

god butterfly mafia was lowkey a shitfest haha

[Datisi]

datisi are you trembling in scum chat rn about how much town im radiating <3 . <3

where, at the part where you were pushing a pro-scum claiming strategy? yeah, i'm shaking.

[Datisi]

datisi are you trembling in scum chat rn about how much town im radiating <3 . <3

where, at the part where you were pushing a pro-scum claiming strategy? yeah, i'm shaking.

so you think what i was doing was a Scum move/Scum motivated?

no, i think you'd do something like that regardless your alignment, if my memory from brass and shrapnel serves. i do think the public game claiming is -town EV.

[Datisi]

after seeing multiple town losses from games i have moderated offsite due to lack of sharing of information, I am very much going to put stuff on the table to make solves easier

is your nuance not this plus the "more info = more power" bit?

[Datisi]

counterpoint: how does it help us on day 2? what does it do for us other than spew some players VT?

pedit: this ain't even a 1v1, this is a boring talk about mechanics that will get us nowhere

[Datisi]

bugs give me your read

i don't wanna keep talking mechanics

[Datisi]

counterpoint: how does it help us on day 2? what does it do for us other than spew some players VT?

counterpoint: having players who are "clear"/likely town is a good concept after a nightkill has occurred

and im not going to push it until d2.

you

you do understand nobody is going to be confirmed town because they claimed to be from an all-vanilla game, right?

[Datisi]

i actually think bugs is being towny

skitt, there's setups (ala coalition) that are all vanilla
you get why that's not a good thing for scum to know

[Datisi]

skitt, there's setups (ala coalition) that are all vanilla
you get why that's not a good thing for scum to know

I could have sworn that i read in the /in to mod post that micc wasnt going to be including games with weird mechanics ? Did i make that up ?

i'm pretty sure it was no bastard roles? like no cult etc

[Datisi]

but anyways i got bad vibes from the worst and since they're back: VOTE: the worst

i was actually very expecting this to be a vote on me and now i'm lowkey disappointed

can you talk about this a bit more

[Datisi]

duck, i'm p sure i can tell what you're trying to do and it's getting on my nerves

so i'm not sure i'll be able to Do The Towntell without also being rude

so you can stop now

[Datisi]

share your brainworms with me bugs

[Datisi]

aldus posts make me wanna lynch him but that happens when he's both town and scum so it doesn't help me read his alignment

[Datisi]

no im greedy datisi sorry get your own also what the fuck are you even talking about

duck's way of reading me is "bully me then see if i'm showing ~towny frustration~"

but right now i am in a p bad mood and also suffering from insomnia so the more likely scenario is that i start cussing because i'm an asshole, and that doesn't help either of us

[Datisi]

aldus is like my designated pg1 townread
you're my surprise pg4 townread

i think this was @me but not sure
was this @me?

[Datisi]

post 108, Datisi"]duck's way of reading me is "bully me then see if i'm showing ~towny frustration~"

i'm comfortableish w this assessment but i was actually looking for something else here[/quote]
huh

I'm not sure that's the best way to read you really? Tend to have a better trackrecord on you by giving you space

And ty tw, i'll prob be feeling fine soon

i'm not saying it is the best way
but also he has 100% read rate on me so /shrug

[Datisi]

oh no i broke the quote again

[Datisi]

?

[Datisi]

wait the fuck were you even townreading me for lmao

[Datisi]

the worst

i don't think you've expressed a read on me so

pedit: sigh, this is @koba

[Datisi]

wait the fuck were you even townreading me for lmao

i mean i'm not going to townread you for booping me on the nose like a couple of weeks after explaining how i read you...

i don't get this but i also was supposed to be asleep some 5 hours ago so

i'll try to decipher it later

[Datisi]

i think bugs is actually p towny and @pooky you should elaborate on what you see there

@miccro mask, do you have an opinion on me saying almost the same thing as aldus there? (also pls get an avi thank you)

i would probably agree duck is being towny but i need to reread the koba/duck thing when i'm less tired because seeing alignments from yelling is difficult

[Datisi]

is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game

also assuming donc is vanilla because he made a meme account from a game that was all vanilla is meh but

is this not a pretty similar sentiment?

[Datisi]

Although maybe you get some town points for misunderstanding what was happening with my role

But like you could be misunderstanding that as scum so... less townpoints

i... don't see what i was misunderstanding?

is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game

also assuming donc is vanilla because he made a meme account from a game that was all vanilla is meh but

is this not a pretty similar sentiment?

Similar but different

You accepted the premise that I was from that setup but raised questions about whether that meant I was vanilla

Aldus was questioning if I was even from the mask setup or just memeing

sorry, i don't see it?

like, i'm not accepting the premise that "you are from that setup", i'm accepting the premise "your meme account name is inspired by that setup"

[Datisi]

VOTE: dsjstr

[Datisi]

Don Corleone will be playing this game under an alternate account named Miccro Mask.

oh

[Datisi]

my personal bias makes me want to not townread dkkoba because i think their way of playing the game is genuinely unpleasant

but i was deadass thinking the same think with regards to miccro's 233 and something something mindmeld = townread and aaaaaaa

[Datisi]

VOTE: dsjstr

tell me more abt this vote

at the time i had townreads of varying strengths on aldus, bugs, and the worst

koba, skitter, pooky, and donc aren't players that are gonna get easier for me to read if i vote them

i'm not gonna vote myself

[Datisi]

also the game on page X, gave almost nothing game-related content thing is Not Good, so eh.

[Datisi]

dkkoba can u do me a favor and iso that player it's actually not hard to figure out

Pedit:NVM he has a better reason than I made up for him
P2dit YEAH SEE?

what reason did you make up for me? :3

[Datisi]

i don't get it...?

[Datisi]

dkkoba can u do me a favor and iso that player it's actually not hard to figure out

oh, "that player" is dsjstr, not me, got it

do you have townreads bugs

[Datisi]

alright, got it

looking forward to it, bugs!

[Datisi]

VOTE: dsjstr

tell me more abt this vote

at the time i had townreads of varying strengths on aldus, bugs, and the worst

koba, skitter, pooky, and donc aren't players that are gonna get easier for me to read if i vote them

i'm not gonna vote myself

I was thinking you had a better reason like the vote was based on meta from the two games I was in that you modded.

err, i remember just newbie 2017, what other game of mine did you play in?

and like, (1) you've made one post so far and (2) you were scum in 2017, so like, should i be getting meta reasons already? from one post?

[Datisi]

(2) you were scum in 2017, so like, should i be getting meta reasons already? from one post?

I was trying to play similar to that game by starting slow, guess you shouldn't have known that. The other game was actually from marathon weekend so I guess that is too different of a situation but I was thinking you might have looked through some of my games because I had a lack of content.

why were you trying to play similarly to 2017? and yeah, i don't really use marathon games as Meta, also i don't really go meta digging after someone's one post?

[Datisi]

ok

i'm still gonna need you to like Do Things

[Datisi]

Although maybe you get some town points for misunderstanding what was happening with my role

But like you could be misunderstanding that as scum so... less townpoints

donc can you talk to me about this? it's lowkey reminding me of "this from datisi is reasonable but reasonable =/= town" for some reason from pyp

pedit: oh now that that's out of the way, do you have a read on me?

[Datisi]

VOTE: pooky

sorry you rolled scum again

[Datisi]

if anyone here has experience in sorting the bugspray slot itd.be appreciated.

i have played 5 times with bugs, i've read them correctly 4/5 times (only screwed up in our first game)

in micro 932, i got to bugs!scum on page 4
in mobs9, i got to bugs!scum on page 1

bugs is town here

also that bugs read from pooky is very bad faith and pooky needs to eat rope, thank you

[Datisi]

yeah, when you flip red today it's gonna spew them town

[Datisi]

bugs read from pooky is very bad faith

how is it bad faith?

there is no actual deeper thought there

like you walk in, see us discussing bugs reads, saying why we think they're towny or not etc

without even trying to engage w anything you go "hurr durr in these two games i played with bugs they didn't post a lot and they were town, they're posting more here ergo scum!!!" it's the most surface level garbage

[Datisi]

yes

bc while i was modding the coalition i thought some of your arguments looked extremely shallow

and at the sime time (in that nomination game nahdia was modding) you made a post about someone scumslipping or something, and even though i had read none of that game at the time, i saw that post and thought i'd vote you for it because no way it's a real thought

also again you didn't even try to engage w me/the worst/skitter who all expressed them being towny as opposed to citing two games as evidence of something so

ok scrolling hrough your ISO again, you did ask the worst "why" about bugs, but i think my point still stands you didn't engage with me/skitt, who were around and calling bugs towny so

pedit: hm, i may be somewhat interchangeably using deep/shallow with good/bad faith in this scenario

i think it's shallow because it is a very simple thought to make - playing differnently than these two town games, ergo scum

but the good/bad faith part comes more from not *trying* to make the read more profound, not asking people who thought bugs was town why that is, not asking about bugs's meta from people who obviously played with them etc

[Datisi]

ok

so how much of the game did you read and do you have any other thoughts on anything

[Datisi]

pedit: hm, i may be somewhat interchangeably using deep/shallow with good/bad faith in this scenario

i think it's shallow because it is a very simple thought to make - playing differnently than these two town games, ergo scum

but the good/bad faith part comes more from not *trying* to make the read more profound, not asking people who thought bugs was town why that is, not asking about bugs's meta from people who obviously played with them etc

it looked like you were more interested in pushing a possibly wrong read than actually being right

pedit: ok cool stop skimming and read it, because your one (1) "read" is wrong

[Datisi]

wait you think me making a super shallow vote thats about as good as random is the same as pushing?

well considering it's (1) the only game-relevant thing you've done so far and (2) you kept at explaining why bugs is scum right after skitter posted why she thought bugs is town - yes, that is the impression i've gotten

[Datisi]

lol, i was just waiting for you to call me scum

bugspray i think isn't super capable of changing reads on a whim in a way that belies an underlying thought process (i.e. they're getting new information and it's rapidly affecting their votes and reads in real-time but i think it's all coming from a consistent pov)

ive played 2 games with bugspray and both times he was town he basically was not existent

since he's posting here it probly means he's scum

what exactly do you think is unreasonable in seeing these two posts next to each other, (while knowing literally the only read pooky had expressed up to that point was "bugs scum") and thinking "this is pooky pushing bugs"??

[Datisi]

your "bugs is posting a lot" read or my "pooky is pishing in bad faith" read?

pedit: this is re 308

[Datisi]

your "bugs is posting a lot" read or my "pooky is pishing in bad faith" read?

yea cuz the play makes so much sense from a scumPOV

this doesn't even answer my question but ok

yeah if it weren't clear i think your read is bad faith and i am serious in saying you should get killed for it

[Datisi]

bugs is town so i'm not gonna end up losing to

them

also i get the feeling you're trying to be condescending to me in order to get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

[Datisi]

cheap potshots and pretending to be a town martyr, ok

you still haven't eplained what part of my thought process is scummy/unreasonable

and you're also not voting me so idk what your read on me even is tbh

[Datisi]

cheap potshots and pretending to be a town martyr, ok

you still haven't eplained what part of my thought process is scummy/unreasonable

and you're also not voting me so idk what your read on me even is tbh

you're either ego-driven town or scum and if people believe the nonsense you're selling then I'm perfectly happy to stop wasting time on this game and exit early

play the victim

if you think i could be ego driven town then you'd try to see my pov, explain where i'm wrong, see our common side etc etc

instead you're putting in no effort to sort me and no effort to play the game (which you already said you barely read)

[Datisi]

im at work but my progression should be explanation enough for the vote

i agree donc is lowkey scummy but also what do you think of pooky

[Datisi]

Although maybe you get some town points for misunderstanding what was happening with my role

But like you could be misunderstanding that as scum so... less townpoints

donc can you talk to me about this? it's lowkey reminding me of "this from datisi is reasonable but reasonable =/= town" for some reason from pyp

do you think this comparison is fair / what do you think about it?

[Datisi]

err, i'm not asking you about my comment in 38

i'm asking if you think me commenting on your "hedging" in 222 and comparing it to a previous scumgame of yours is fair/correct

to be fair at this point i'm not sure what i'm trying to extract from this conversation exactly

[Datisi]

And (2) I don’t really see it? Idk it townpinged me but I just thought the comment Aldus made about it was townier, probably partly because his whole tone feels different here. I think it’s worth noting that while his bus completely fooled me, I was actually correctly scumreading him off tone from pretty early D1 in coalition, and this is like that but the opposite. I thought that comment was the most individually representitative of a towny mindset

this seemed like you were talking about 38 again but maybe i'm confusing myself

[Datisi]

bold words after i just said i think you're lowkey scummy and after skitt says you remind her of pyp, donc

how about we lay our pitchforks down and all vote pooky together

[Datisi]

if you think i could be ego driven town then you'd try to see my pov, explain where i'm wrong, see our common side etc etc

i alrdy explained why you're wrong

you really didn't

Spoiler:

wait you think me making a super shallow vote thats about as good as random is the same as pushing?

wait you think me making a super shallow vote thats about as good as random is the same as pushing?

well considering it's (1) the only game-relevant thing you've done so far and (2) you kept at explaining why bugs is scum right after skitter posted why she thought bugs is town - yes, that is the impression i've gotten

i don't believe you believe that

you're just reaching for excuses now lol

you scum Datisi? if you are you should just stop pushing because it making you look terrible

lol, i was just waiting for you to call me scum

bugspray i think isn't super capable of changing reads on a whim in a way that belies an underlying thought process (i.e. they're getting new information and it's rapidly affecting their votes and reads in real-time but i think it's all coming from a consistent pov)

ive played 2 games with bugspray and both times he was town he basically was not existent

since he's posting here it probly means he's scum

what exactly do you think is unreasonable in seeing these two posts next to each other, (while knowing literally the only read pooky had expressed up to that point was "bugs scum") and thinking "this is pooky pushing bugs"??

after this your arguments boiled down to "my play makes no sense as scum!!" "you'll look dumb if bugs flips scum!!" "i don't wanna play with you if you'll be like that waaa"

[Datisi]

I would be fine compromising there I think but what do you think about dsjstr?

Also yeah, but I just think you’re both having like early game misadjustments on me and I’m kind of just trusting in the idea that playing through D1 will let you both readjust on me and get to TRs

i think there is nothing right now that would make me townread dsjstr

however i'm aware that he's somewhat lynchbaity even as town (no ofense) and i'm not too interested in trying to figure out if he's bait/scum when i think pooky is Just Scum

also ye hope so
i don't know how to feel about this convo but i'm gonna let it settle a bit and reread it later on

[Datisi]

im sure after i flip town you guys will find a way to blame me for getting evicted when it's your own ego driven decision to evict me lol

i am literally telling you

read the game, give your opinion on things, tell me why i'm wrong

if you're gonna play the victim card then yeah you'll eat rope and yeah if you flip town it's gonna 100% be your own fault

[Datisi]

all you're doing is calling me an egoistical jackass! that's not telling me why i'm wrong!

[Datisi]

if you BELIEVE I AM SCUM

WHY ARE YOU SAYING ITS MY FAULT IF YOU MISLYNCH ME

because you're acting offended and refusing to play the game after someone pushed you???

[Datisi]

ok i'm gonna leave the thread for a bit. see ya.

[Datisi]

skitt i'm sorry this is affecting you and i'm not enjoying this conversation either

i literally told you why you're wrong

~repeating this doesn't make it true~

Do you think I'm scum or town? Make it clear.

ok: i think you are scum. if you were to flip town, i wouldn't feel bad about misreading you because you were doing scummy shit.

I've never in my years of playing this game ever seen someone go "I'm super sure you're scum cuz you made this random vote" and not be completely full of shit.

oh, so now it's a random vote? like when you voted when the game was already on pg 6 or so, and were asking the worst why he disagreed with your vote? and how you stated your "case" right after skitter said she thinks bugs is town? joke vote??? good one.

there's something id rather not share abt pooky that I read abt them that makes me want u to stop going after him thx

no thanks

I don't see how you can post what he posted unless it's pure ego cuz it doesnt make sense from an analytical framework

just repeating "his posts don't make sense" doesn't make it true

that was a misquote but was quite handy!! fwiw the gut take on Aldus is basically dead on my impression of him this game

i don't get what the second sentence means?

Pooky could you just ignore Dats and sort other players for a bit?

if you're hyperfocused on Dats can I like, throw a spanner in the works and say his overconfidence is very out of character and ask how you feel about that

i have things to say about this but pooky should be the one to comment on it first

also lets be real. datisi is town bc he is v irritable this game, and we all know datisi has a love for the mafia alignment so he is simply mad he did not roll mafia.

i am highkey very curious where/how you got this impression of me

i may be biasing myself but i don't hate donc's posts. like maybe it's wishful thinking of "maybe we are just town and we don't need to be paranoid of each others immediately" but /shrug

[Datisi]

rooting for scumteams as a mod =/= preferring to play scum

tho i used to love playing scum a lot but i had two pretty nasty scum defeats recently which kinda put me off that lmao

[Datisi]

ya brass and shrapnel was a good game, haven't had luck since tho

also am very interested in hearing that but i know i gotta be patient

[Datisi]

if i'm placing a *joke vote* that i have *absolutely no conviction whatsoever* and i've bearly read the thread... no? i'd go back and read it?

also, if your vote was truly a joke vote/meaningless vote, then if you saw me attacking you over it being bad faith/whatever, surely you'd correct me?

[Datisi]

pooky imma be honest i might be seeing where u are coming from with scum!datisi angle but im keeping my vote on u until u start talking

i didn't say datisi is scum

he's probly just a town player playing badly scum usually don't try to drive a wagon on day 1 on an innocent person

(1) trying to discredit me and (2) trying to bait me into getting angry so people don't take me seriously

[Datisi]

Spoiler:

i don't believe you believe that

you're just reaching for excuses now lol

you scum Datisi? if you are you should just stop pushing because it making you look terrible

it's gonna be funny at the end of game if bugs flips scum and you end up losing to him.

but it's alright cuz you will still think you played this correct and I'm the bad one here

bugs is town so i'm not gonna end up losing to

them

also i get the feeling you're trying to be condescending to me in order to get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

the only way you'd know for sure bugs is town is if you were scum btw

get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

I don't care if you back off or not

I'm perfectly fine with being evicted D1 to make you look bad D2.

cheap potshots and pretending to be a town martyr, ok

you still haven't eplained what part of my thought process is scummy/unreasonable

and you're also not voting me so idk what your read on me even is tbh

you're either ego-driven town or scum and if people believe the nonsense you're selling then I'm perfectly happy to stop wasting time on this game and exit early

> calling me reaching and immedately calling me scum
> "you'll still think you're in the right even if i flip green"
> the famous "only scum knows everyone's alignments" bullshit
> "i don't care about dying day 1 if datisi looks bad day 2" playing the marytr
> "you're either ego-driven or scum, if people listen to you i don't even want to play"

yeah none of these are bad-faithy discrediting

[Datisi]

u told me bugspray isn't scum

i said ok i'll listen to you

like
this is so overly simplified and borderline not even what happened

[Datisi]

ok: i think you are scum. if you were to flip town, i wouldn't feel bad about misreading you because you were doing scummy shit.

no you misread me because you're playing badly and this probably has more to do with what I did in the game you modded than what I'm doing in this game - I'm pretty sure if any other player did what I did in this game you wouldn't have made a big deal out of it. Hence what I said about this being an ego-driven revenge move.

in fact of all the players voting me, all 4 of them have played in that game I'm referencing so that only reinforces my opinion that this is more for out-of-game revenge than anything I did in this game.

??? revenge??? the FUCK am i taking revenge on you for? ?? ???? ? ??

like no, i saw you make a push that looked extremely scum!motivated and it reminded me of your play in the coalition

like ego-driven revenge move? ? ?? ? ???? ?? how is this not discrediting?????

[Datisi]

u told me bugspray isn't scum

i said ok i'll listen to you

like
this is so overly simplified and borderline not even what happened

unvote

ok we'll see how good your read on bugs is

That's what I wrote.

how is that not what happened?

if it ended there, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now

Spoiler:

i don't believe you believe that

you're just reaching for excuses now lol

you scum Datisi? if you are you should just stop pushing because it making you look terrible

it's gonna be funny at the end of game if bugs flips scum and you end up losing to him.

but it's alright cuz you will still think you played this correct and I'm the bad one here

bugs is town so i'm not gonna end up losing to

them

also i get the feeling you're trying to be condescending to me in order to get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

the only way you'd know for sure bugs is town is if you were scum btw

get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

I don't care if you back off or not

I'm perfectly fine with being evicted D1 to make you look bad D2.

cheap potshots and pretending to be a town martyr, ok

you still haven't eplained what part of my thought process is scummy/unreasonable

and you're also not voting me so idk what your read on me even is tbh

you're either ego-driven town or scum and if people believe the nonsense you're selling then I'm perfectly happy to stop wasting time on this game and exit early

> calling me reaching and immedately calling me scum
> "you'll still think you're in the right even if i flip green"
> the famous "only scum knows everyone's alignments" bullshit
> "i don't care about dying day 1 if datisi looks bad day 2" playing the marytr
> "you're either ego-driven or scum, if people listen to you i don't even want to play"

yeah none of these are bad-faithy discrediting

where do I call you scum?

literally in the first quote in the spoiler

[Datisi]

alright imma be honest i think i tiredly misread something .

i thought datisi did this thing that scum does is when they point out something someone else did and defend them by saying "but i did the same thing" its a type of self consciousness that is scum indicative.

i on't think i did that anywhere this game?

like i thought aldus and i said the same thing back on like page 2 wrt donc's alt, but that wasn't exactly that

[Datisi]

So it has nothing to do with 1 random vote this game, Datisi driving the train cuz this is some kind of coping mechanism for him.

i already said this is some ego-driven revenge bullshit for the other game.

you won't admit it, you'll just randomly make up some bad excuses for it

that's fine

hope me getting evicted checks that bucket list for you

how is this not bad faith discrediting??? like this is literally insulting

[Datisi]

literally in the first quote in the spoiler

"you scum Datisi?" is a question, not a statement.

yeah a questing, with obvious heavy implication behind it

like don't play dumb

[Datisi]

it's basically recency bias - you saw so much of my scumposting you think everything I post is scummy.

is it recency bias or am i some insane person taking revenge on you for ??? reasons - you can't have it both ways

you're literally picking whatever shit you can and seeing what sticks

[Datisi]

questions =/= statement

I've literally stated you are probably town multiple times.

I have never stated you are scum.

post said:

i don't believe you believe that

you're just reaching for excuses now lol

this is obviously impling you think i'm scum

How are you so bad that you can't read.

discrediting

[Datisi]

it's basically recency bias - you saw so much of my scumposting you think everything I post is scummy.

is it recency bias or am i some insane person taking revenge on you for ??? reasons - you can't have it both ways

you're literally picking whatever shit you can and seeing what sticks

i never said you were insane

i said this is an ego-driven revenge move for the other game. that's why the 4 people voting me are the same as the 4 people who were in the other game - you guys want to do some revenge nonsense cuz you feel like fools for the other game. Just saying it how it is.

you are literally insulting me by saying that

like, i ask again, WHY WOULD I BE TAKING REVENGE ON YOU

i was the fucking moderator of that game

like ???????????

and you're saying i'm tunnelling you for no reason bc that other game which is literally an insult to my playing
you're trying to make me seem tunnelled so nobody takes me seriously

[Datisi]

you're trying to make other people not take me seriously

i'm not saying you're succeding so far

[Datisi]

like, i ask again, WHY WOULD I BE TAKING REVENGE ON YOU

i was the fucking moderator of that game

this was your post on the mod PT when I got Klick Mislynched:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11987008

so sure doesn't look like you were happy watching them miss over and over

ok so, despite it being provable (and koba saying so already) that i always root for scum in the games i mod, ok

you think that i was rooting for town in coalition, and town lost because of you, and i'm mad at you, and because of that i am attacking you in this game? becuase it's a fucking coping mechanism for me???

like

what the fuck

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me being in disbelief at town missing over and over doesn't mean i was rooting for them, i actually literally said that they deserve to lose

but even if i was rooting for town,

that's not the point

you think that i was rooting for town in coalition, and town lost because of you, and i'm mad at you, and because of that i am attacking you in this game? becuase it's a fucking coping mechanism for me???

is this ^^ a viewpoint you are actually holding?

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like you literally read so many posts of me lying through my teeth in your game and being fustrated the town wouldn't get rid of me that now you think everything I post is scummy,

even when it's like a random vote on the first day the game is open.

That's why you made some giant convoluted push on me, it's some ego affirming thing so on the off-chance I do flip red you can say to your buddy aldus, see he wasn't that hard to get lynched.

i literally explained it

stop strawmanning

ok, your bugs vote was not made to look like a random vote, and implying i should've somehow known it was a random/joke vote is very clearly twisting events

also seriosuly what the fuck *Are* you trying to say?

like you go from "recency bias, you just saw me play as scum" to "ego-trip, coping mechanism"? like genuinely

pedit: yes we're scum together and please help me bus him, koba

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no, i thought it was a scumpush vote, and i still think that

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it absolutely was a valid vote datisi as the point of a vote is not always to get someone hanged right away but to gain information via pressure on their slot saying "hey you're on my shitlist rn". like ur push is badly formed on so many levels and lacks a proper casing

ok cool, except that is not what he was doing according to him so like

so what i didn't write an official "case"?? like he's literally saying my push on him is a "coping mechanism" and i'm "taking revenge", like do i need to compile his quotes in one post?

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koba, i cannot stop interacting with some who is literally being offensive to me

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ok consider reading the case i have against miccro mask / the worst, i think those 2 slots are the most worth looking into. esp the former.

ok, please link it because i can't be fucked to dig through your iso for it right now

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koba, i cannot stop interacting with some who is literally being offensive to me

you literally attacked me first lol

i think there's quite a difference between attacking someone within the game because you think they're scum and attacking someone by saying they're using a push as a coping mechanism (???), taking revenge on someone for a past game, playing with buddies so you attack people together (or however you phrased it) but ok

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2 early posts that strongly pinged me. the analysis on the worst within the context of the timing is strange and comes off as fake

i overall suggest looking through their ISO.

i dunno

like i agree the first posts are weirdly odd but i lowkey liked his later posts? like i dunno i felt a weird string of sincerity the way he interacted w me/skit

i'll reread that once i get some sleep

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i'm p sure jesters are considered bastard so

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i'm sorry koba :/

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donc, could you like offer a fresh perspective on me/pooky? i'm gonna revisit it tomorrow but i'd like others to chime in

pedit: it's just bugs... not feeling like scum? like it's sorta difficult to explain, but scum!bugs doesn't really have reads, or what reads they do have are kinda obv bad faith , and vast vast majority posts are fliff

while town!bugs actually takes interest in solving the game?

ppedit: same @you bugs

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@bugs, could you clarify if you're actually voting pooky for misgendering you?

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koba quot being abrasive because pepe aren't paying the way you want them to play, it's helping nobody

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koba quit being abrasive because people aren't playing the way you want them to play, it's helping nobody

shitton typos but

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there's 25 pages in a 9p in some 24 hours

are you ok

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that is not an accomplishment

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this is obviously impling you think i'm scum

nope it means you're literally making up shit to get me lynched for the other game because this is cross-game ego revenge lynch

i was gonna vote koba here but bugs quoting that post made me click on it and see this garbage above it and i think i'm fine keeping my vote where it is

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datisi u scumread me now?

no, i think you're just very very annoying town w trying to boss us around

maybe it's time for me to sleep

[Datisi]

you need a reality check.

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maybe that was uncalled for, but my god koba your ego is making you pretty unpleasant to play with.

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UNVOTE:

bugs, i'm going to need you to make a full readslist after you catch up, with some explanations for each read, ok?

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its ok datisi im literally the prime n1 target u dont have to deal with me by d2

koba, i think you're smart enough to figure out why posts like this at the time you posted it come off as pretty egotistical and unpleasant

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maybe i am. sorry. this game is hard to play.

pedit: not exactly. i want to interact with them in real time first, also it's like 6 am right now and i'm about to pass out so it's not analysis time

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duckee what are you doing :/

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if only i woke up half an hour earlier...

can you talk to me about why you're voting aldus?

pedit: i wasn't talking to you

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Aldusstepping back I can actually see what Pooky means. he's way too comfortable cruising while this wagon takes off.

is that a fair read tho? aldus hasn't *posted* for a bit, and this game is moving pretty fast

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BTW I asked Micc and I could totally play this game under a "mask" account as long as I made it clear it was still me.

despite clear wagon progression towards lynch very quickly - he avoid talking about me now and is back to talking about mechanics - feels like scum who is happy with where his vote is - a mislynch but doesn't want to say much because it's bad for him to get his hands too dirty when I flip town.

also the argument of this post is that aldus is avoiding talking about pooky and is instead talking about mechanics to keep pressure on but not offer any commitment

but literally the post before that is aldus talking about pooky?

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Aldus' read on Pooky is like very supericial tho. I think I'd tend to say hes focusing on mechanics to avoid *advancing* the read

again, can't ~advance the read~ if you're ~not here~ but /shrug

thoughts on bugspray?

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sigh.
VOTE: dsjstr

i probably would've been decent enough to give intent.

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donc, can you talk bout your read on aldus? or like anything?

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:/

not necessarily now, i forget it's still very early in the Day. like, in some foreseeable future.

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i'm sorry i'm around

i'm just not sure what to say

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bc like i agree aldus is town and that pooky's arguments there are scummy

but like stating i "agree with you" is not exactly a discussion that's gonna help me sort you you feel

pedit: err like no, i was earlier arguing town!aldus to duck, what do you think lol

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also like stating that i agree with you is just gonna lead to another "see! a clique purposefully trying to get me killed as revenge and a coping mechanism!" thing and i already hate this game enough

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pedit: it's just bugs... not feeling like scum? like it's sorta difficult to explain, but scum!bugs doesn't really have reads, or what reads they do have are kinda obv bad faith , and vast vast majority posts are fliff

while town!bugs actually takes interest in solving the game?

i was looking to discuss it some more with duckee but i think he went to get some bread or smt so that's on hold currently

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also like stating that i agree with you is just gonna lead to another "see! a clique purposefully trying to get me killed as revenge and a coping mechanism!" thing and i already hate this game enough

I think someone bitching about there being a clique is like a very bad reason to not say you agree with someone if you do

yeah but i dunno if you're aware how seriously and personally i take accusations of cheating

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or, purposefully playing against my wincon for out-of-game grudge/satisfaction/coping mechanism.

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I guess I don’t see anything that I’m townreading in bugs and think that what they’ve actually posted could be from either alignment even if they’re slightly more town on meta reasons

Idk if the meta holds though, because I’ve seen them be very quiet and flakey as both alignments, and so idk if their relative activity is really related to alignment vs related to mood/oog things

i wasn't talking about their activity? like the thing i quoted is about the content of their posts, not the fact that they are posting?

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or, purposefully playing against my wincon for out-of-game grudge/satisfaction/coping mechanism.

I’m not convinced this is truly playing against wincon anyway tbh

If there’s a player producing a huge amount of noise and contributing very little i think removing them can help town win the game even if they are town

Like I think removing koba is probably slightly EV, but only very slightly

i'm talking about pooky's accusations that me and my cLiQuE are purposefully targetting him as revenge for the coalition and that that is apparently a coping mechanism for me.

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Yes, but I think that argument is ridiculous and I think literally nobody is taking it seriously other than pooky, who, if scum, is also not taking it seriously and is just playing an obnoxious scumgame

yeah but i dunno if you're aware how seriously and personally i take accusations of cheating

also i just scrolled through the beginning of ISOs from the last two games i played with bugs (both scumgames of theirs) and like i still kinda think they're town? their "later" game here leaves a bit to be desired but that's why i was looking to talk to duck about it

but also i think pooky's earlier push of bugs was a scumpush on a mislynch so ┐('д')┌

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if you lynch me - it's because you made a mistake reading me - not because some i played badly bullshit

Do you think that pooky was using that clique as a way to cope with the fact that they couldn't under stand why people were voting for them and they saw the group that was on them and created an explenation that made sense to them?

i'm gonna assume this is @me - and the answer is no. i think he's grasping at anything he can in order to escape the push while not calling me scum because it's obvious i'm not getting lynched here

also i'm gonna need you to like actually do game related things

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i really don't believe you don't have any reads on anyone.

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I originally thought that bugs was town because I thought he was drunk and just unsure of who was scum so they kept switching votes. I still think that is true I thought it was weird that he just comments on T dubs post about being hung over, and specifically saying that they don't drink(think they lied).

I can't imagine that Miccro thinks that the team is bugs/me, after all of the fighting that has happened he is going to go for two people who has just been on the sidelines.

can you like

make a readslist or something

because i have no clue what this means wrt alignments

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pls talk to me about bugs, duckee (´;ω;｀)

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bugs, is the pooping on your lawn some in-joke i'm missing or do ypu genuinely think duck is scum?

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bugs, is the pooping on your lawn some in-joke i'm missing or do ypu genuinely think duck is scum?

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ok, can you please elaborate on that

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i don't wanna be seen as RoLeFiShInG but if i'm not mightly curious how you have mech indication duck is scummy on day 1

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That line of thought would lead to the point where he's thinking about you maybe fake-claiming your game setup because he's thinking about his own difficulties and approaching it from a scum POV - I don't see how a townie naturally reaches the suspicious of your masked-alt POV.

literally your whole argument there falls flat because scum is given a few games as "safe flavor fakeclaims" - i.e. games that were not picked and that nobody has roles from

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yeah but i dunno if you're aware how seriously and personally i take accusations of cheating

i didn't say it was cheating

why wouldn't you favor your friends

blocking with your friends in game for out-of-game reasons is disgusting and (if not cheating in a literal sense) is definitely purposefully playing against your wincon

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blocking with your friends in game for out-of-game reasons is disgusting and (if not cheating in a literal sense) is definitely purposefully playing against your wincon

if you're deciding between whether to believe your friend who you have a long history of playing and having fun with and some random who you've never really gotten along with, you are psychologically more likely to favor your friend - that's just basic psych bias and not something you have control over.

except no because (1) i personally get paranoid over my friends moch more than randos and (2) that is demonstratably false

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i mean, saying that my push is "just about your voute" is plainly wrong - like i thought i made it clear that your reactions afterwards were like, how do you say, Not Good?

(1) i'm reading him as town rn (2) there isn't much point hitting my head against the wall about aldus when he literally isn't here right now (3) if i linked games where i played w aldus after we became friends and where i was scumreading him, would that do anything for you or should i just not bother

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also like, @anyone but pooky

please read 768 and tell me your opinion on that post

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bugs, is the pooping on your lawn some in-joke i'm missing or do ypu genuinely think duck is scum?

it's an in-joke and also i am very suspicious of him

ok, can you please elaborate on that

its mech thats all i really wanna say rn

i don't wanna be seen as RoLeFiShInG but if i'm not mightly curious how you have mech indication duck is scummy on day 1

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(1) i'm reading him as town rn (2) there isn't much point hitting my head against the wall about aldus when he literally isn't here right now (3) if i linked games where i played w aldus after we became friends and where i was scumreading him, would that do anything for you or should i just not bother

do you not understand that your reads can be wrong?

are you some kind of mafia playing god with perfect reads or something?

ok?

like just because "my reads can be wrong" doesn't mean i'm either gonna (a) run in paranoid circles about every single person in game or (b) lock-town them based on out-of-game bullshit

like just because i'm not currently feeling paranoid about someone doesn't mean i'm not like, thinking about that read and trying to evolve it?

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(1) i'm reading him as town rn (2) there isn't much point hitting my head against the wall about aldus when he literally isn't here right now (3) if i linked games where i played w aldus after we became friends and where i was scumreading him, would that do anything for you or should i just not bother

do you not understand that your reads can be wrong?

are you some kind of mafia playing god with perfect reads or something?

ok?

like just because "my reads can be wrong" doesn't mean i'm either gonna (a) run in paranoid circles about every single person in game or (b) lock-town them based on out-of-game bullshit

like just because i'm not currently feeling paranoid about someone doesn't mean i'm not like, thinking about that read and trying to evolve it?

I'm not saying you run around in paranoid circles - I'm saying give me a chance to have a conversation 1v1 with bugs or 1v1 with aldus when I come out with a different read and watch how it develops instead of jumping in and defending them with sword and shield screaming DIE POOKY SCUM at the top of your lungs.

Because you might be wrong on your read and it's more information for you either way.

i was talking about aldus there

also like nobody is stopping you from having A Conversation w bugs or aldus
but if i see a scummy af push that is followed by a scummy defense like i'm gonna call that shit out

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but if i see a scummy af push that is followed by a scummy defense like i'm gonna call that shit out

┐(~.~;)┌
guess i value pushing my own read and sorting first before any potential value you could've maybe gotten from that convo

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yeah i just reread your reactions to my initial push (pages like 12-13) and the backpedaling/word policing around page 21 and i think i'm actually p satisfied with the gotten information

too bad it's impossible to say what would or would not have happened if i hadn't jumped in

current read on aldus?

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ok

then i don't think there's point in grilling this until aldus is back

[Datisi]

ducky we have been caught!!!

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miccro still mafia lmfao - please vote them

koba if you want me to vote donc i think i'm gonna need more from you than "hedged on a read", "analysis of the worst felt premature" and "read his ISO"

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or perhaps u can just vote him to get more pressure on him bc he's not towny to you?

i'm p sure i mentioned that i came around from my scumlean on donc while talking with him, and if i didn't i'm saying it now

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also i don't read all players by "apply pressure - > see what they do" so

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dont make me actually read donc's posts datisi

:/

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i'm currently out of the house, i'll be around in a few hours if you wanna discuss things

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can you like prepare a case or something for me to read? because i can already tell you that "doing towny things is not always town" or whatever is quite unlikely to change my mind rn

pedit: was @koba

[Datisi]

can you like prepare a case or something for me to read? because i can already tell you that "doing towny things is not always town" or whatever is quite unlikely to change my mind rn

pedit: was @koba

you can start on this?

also i currently have no motivation to play this dumb game and will look at whatever yall write tomorrow morning

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it's fine, i'm about to check out of this game for the next ~12 hours or so, i geniunely have no willpower to read anything rn anyway

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i'm sorry i'm not feeling well enough to play right now?

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donc, please don't.

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... given the heaviness of this plist who did you expect this to work on?

ha ha right nobody here is stupid enough to fall for that ha ha ha ...

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think for a second how difficult it would be to believe that a protown power role would decide to hide themselves in a different vanilla game by telling the moderator to change the participation account from their account to a masked account in the pregame immediately after roles are dealt out - like would anyone believe that a power role would do this?

you see this was my frist thought

not exactly that, but i took the fake account to be unrelated to donc's actual role - with maybe slightly erring to the PR side because i genuinely thought it was an account thathe created

so i'm having trouble Relating to the case

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ok i kinda read the last 15 pages but the whole alt+dayvig thing feel like so much Noise and i don't think i have anything interesting to add to anything

i'm willing to listen to why people are voting The Duck and also i want bug/dsjstr/aldus to contribute to things (which might be hypocritical of me right now but lol)

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do you have feels on skitt?

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they got distracted

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my issue with pooky's aldus case is the fact that pooky first attributed aldus's act around The Mask Thing as scum panic because "oh no what am i going to fakeclaim" but is now attributing it to a different malicious motivation and like... it sounds like he's decided aldus is scum and is now bending things to fit that

pedit: you may have been, sorry duckee the last 15 pages are a blur for me, i'll go dig

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do you have feels on skitt?

I feel like I've been over skitter a fair bit already if you're asking me?

i just ctrl+f "skit" in your ISO and i saw a lot of telling people that they're townreading skitt for bad reasons but i don't think i saw you Give A Read on her?

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sorry?

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i feel like i missed a joke there and now i feel bad

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@aldus, pooky claimed a non-specific-but-very-cool PR and i doubt i can convince people to lynch there today so like

you should probably find a different place for your vote

speaking of which who else do you wanna vote

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this all feels very wrong, but i don't know how to make it not-wrong without getting it out there, so pls discuss:

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yes

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/shrug

i've already explained it as best as i can

which is "idk lol they don't feel like scum!them but i really would love if they contributed more"

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Dats you dont have a read on dc?
I was kinda hoping you would so that i could outsource it to you

my read on donc is "i thought he was Town, then he started screaming at koba, and i have an extremely dumb bias of reading People Who Scream as Town and i've been burned before, so i'm trying to ignore that fact as much as i can, therefore while i still read him as town i now feel 7x more uncomfortable about a read that was shaky in to begin with"

also sorry i don't know what outsorcing means there?

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I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

hm, interesting

this reaction reminds me of what i've seen scum!aldus say sometimes but i need to dig up his town!games to check if he did that as town too but i'm not feeling like doing that right now

[Datisi]

Datisi, I like ur new avi

thanks! it's a throwback for me

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if i'm right on my 9000+IQ 5D aldus read then his partner is the duck and i really hope that's not the case because that would mean my reads so far have sucked major ass

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considering a couple of people are townreading dsjstr it seems like we're not going there, at least not now

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also sorry i don't know what outsorcing means there?

In this context i mean: let u form the read and then sheep you cuz i think u might be better at reading him than i am

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I am lowkey a little disappointed that I am so far towards the OGOFIDK axis of the chart

and i am highkey disappointed of your play so far but you know

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re donc: sorry.
what i want to say next would break game rules so i'm not going to.

re skitter and tw read:
i kinda? get what you mean but i dunno if that specific example really does it for me? like it reminds me of in jk9++ when there was that fake S_S hammer and most of us knew it was a fake but we still played along because it could've yielded AI info (even though it didn't in the end)

like duck feels ~vaguely different~ than what he did in mbos9 but this game is night and day to that game so i don't know if that's AI

i'm townleaning him right now i guess because of bugspray read mindmeld? also i have a thought that scum don't do blatant pockets like "ah yes am masons with datisi" but i don't have much to back it up

could you show me where else he did that?

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re donc: sorry.
what i want to say next would break game rules so i'm not going to.

:/

not in a mean way, don't worry. i'll PM you after the game ends.

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the more i look at this dsjstr question thing the more stupid i feel

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like i thought the original question/statement was "if donc faked his reaction to the dayvig, that means donc knew the dayvig was fake. how did donc knew the dayvig was fake unless he and koba are scumpartners?" but uhhhh

i dunno.

pedit: ye that is a post i am thinking of right now

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VOTE: aldus

expand on your dsjstr big brain read

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E-1 btw

huh, it do be like that

also you should probably calm down a bit

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fuckin lol @ koba thinking they're getting n1'ed

and that's how i play when i feel my reads aren't fully stable and reliable?

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i'm the strongest townread of at least 3 people here, with most others townreading me to at least some extent?

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why would scum!me be worried about "being caught in a town full of people towntelling" when i'm the one towntelling the hardest?

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i mean, you are right that i am "unsure who to push" (tho i don't think that should be that hard to figure out from my posts) but it don't come from "oh god everyone is so town and the walls are closing in on me"

pedit: ducky called me a mason, i took that to mean that

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oh my, you truly are bad at this game.

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maybe explain yourself better? because so far all you've done is yell how this or that person is scum but you've so far made no case on anyone. my point was that i don't have a reason to be nervous about pushing someone when i'm this far up the food chain. i have no idea what you mean by lamist there, i wasn't saying "towntells make me town", i was saying "towntells are making me townread".

with regard to my pooky case... what? what about me when i'm in mod-mode or outside of games makes you think i wouldn't push on someone like this? also i'm p sure we spoke once outside games so i really don't see why you think you know me?

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that doesn't make me feel better about pooky

but that also doesn't explain what you mean by the "posts when moderating or outside games" thing

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again, (1) what makes you think that reading comments i make in mod PTs tells you so much about who i am as a person, (2) what does me being this or that kinda person outside games have to do with how i would or won't push someone in game?

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hi lilith! hi s_s!

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i'm gonna UNVOTE: for the time being

maybe i'll revote later

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oh god my reads

town on donc, koba, bugs
sorta town on theworst, skitter
kinda town on aldus earlier but also meh
kinda nulltown on dsjstr but hia recent posts make me seem like there's gears turning behind the scenes
scumreading pooky but he's a claimed PR so lol me

anyway my reads are a mess this game

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either "make it seem" or "make me think", not "make me seem"

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i thought your/skitter dance is kinda weird, like at some point during the timeout i thought that if neither of you is townreading the other (and skitter thinks you're scummy i think?), since you're both good players, kinda makes me think one of you could've caught ~something~ in the other

in that hypothetical scenario i guess still dsjstr/aldus? like i'd still not be exactly scureading them, but i think that's where i'd try to go first

pedit: oop

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can you like
talk a bit more about that?

[Datisi]

something low key wild just dawned on me

?

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lilith, you called?

err, lowkey not sure myself? like it was some sorta aldus/dsjstr PoE (since everyone else was seeming townier at the time), dsjsrt's recent posts were actually leaving good impressions on me, and i was interested in why aldus thought dsjstr's questions were good when he himself said they weren't

i as of right now am not sure whether i want to proceed with it because i'm still kinda digesting the tw/skitt thing

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lilith, you called?

err, lowkey not sure myself? like it was some sorta aldus/dsjstr PoE (since everyone else was seeming townier at the time), dsjsrt's recent posts were actually leaving good impressions on me, and i was interested in why aldus thought dsjstr's questions were good when he himself said they weren't

i as of right now am not sure whether i want to proceed with it because i'm still kinda digesting the tw/skitt thing

okay so it’s not an actual scumread?

...no, as i wrote before, only Actual Scumread is the claimed PR

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you thought aldus was kinda town though, so I’m trying to figure out how you got from that to being on the wagon. also surely you weren’t voting him just to get more content?

i thought aldus was kinda town, but i've thought that about literally everyone other than pooky so far, which means i'm obviously going wrong

somewhere

i figured the thing with dsjstr was weird enough, aldus was in the "collective PoE", so it was good enough

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i don't actually think any of that's Actually scummy? mostly because i was also hella confused when i saw that account and thought donc was memeing with it. plus earlier pooky tried to spin it as "scum!aldus panicking because he thinks he's running out of fakeclaims" which is lol so

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the way Aldus said it made it sound like he was getting ready to push DC because people were somewhat clearing the slot due to the mask account and he didn't want that to happen.

can you link/quote this?

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@lilith
what do you think about this post that came full 21 seconds later

also assuming donc is vanilla because he made a meme account from a game that was all vanilla is meh but

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i did believe that, i thought donc made that alt himself and decided to play with it for ??? reasons

i don't anymore, but i'm still hella confused why you're allowed to not play on it