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[Lady Lambdadelta]

Morning everyone. Lemme see what the fuck is happening in this bitch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway, having played in a similar split-thread game many years ago, my recommendation is to play the game like a mini, and and keep your primary focus on your own thread to avoid information overload. don't worry about following everything going on in the other thread, just keep tabs from time to time. i'm personally probably not going to be paying too much attention to the forward timeline and put all my energy toward catching scum here.

This is okay advice if we weren't liable to switch threads a lot. I am shocked this game hasn't exploded like other large themes with this playerlist does, but everyone needs to be able to keep up if they switch threads, and especially if distributions are strange.

So people should focus on their own game but stay fuckin' informed on the other thread please don't just ignore it and fall behind.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmm, the turnstile should probably be used to send people who have stronger roles in the forward stream than the back stream. However, if we send someone through, scum will know that they are a power role.
Anyways, VOTE: Turnstile-midwaybear

Hmm, the turnstile should probably be used to send people who have stronger roles in the forward stream than the back stream. However, if we send someone through, scum will know that they are a power role.
Anyways, VOTE: Turnstile-midwaybear

town, god bless

Isn't this like level 0 analysis? I am not sure why you arr calling this town.

Or rather, let me say this: I'm not sure why YOU in particular think this is town. I might understand a gut read from someone else but this just feels strange from you.

Care to elaborate?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

wait we need to backwards vote for the turnstile and purple room too?

Yo

This is the post of a man defeated by a mechanic.

Also this reaction probably town lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

he's aggressively earnest as town and struggles to replicate that play as scum

So it's an individual differences thing and not a feeling thing.

You don't think this level 0 interp. Is fakable from them? What level of confidence are you putting on that, percent wise?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Does it matter?

Cobra Kai Never Dies

Nothing personal but if I have to read cobra Kai never dies one more time I think I might kill you.

Just saying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

kind of like firebringer tryharding actually tbh

Shit scares me but especially with the claim I am super willing to tolerate it for a while?

I can't even say FB try harding is scum cause they never do this as either alignment.

It's just super weird and I am kind of in love with it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That bullshit cost me a lengthy phonepost wall.

lol town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

he's aggressively earnest as town and struggles to replicate that play as scum

So it's an individual differences thing and not a feeling thing.

You don't think this level 0 interp. Is fakable from them? What level of confidence are you putting on that, percent wise?

97%, having seen his towngame twice and his scumgame twice (spectating illicit substances)

granted the illicit read was a lot slower to come by and i missed him for most of day 1, but he still hit similar pitfalls with regard to struggling to post. if his later posts this game had done something to call the gutread into doubt i'd have gone back on it, but so far so good

Got it. Cleared for today and tomorrow and reevaluate day 3.

But you have to also re-eval day 3 with me, assuming we are alive then.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if i understand my role correctly, i am a cop in the other turnstile. so how do i go over to the other side?

I'm a 10-shot BP JOAT, can I go first?

UNVOTE: Superbowl9

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if we're both alive day 3 then i'm going to be worried more about you

You know as well as I do scum never NK me.

Not that it matters much this game, but, still.

Be as worried as you like, i trust I will be found and seen properly vis a vis my play.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if i understand my role correctly, i am a cop in the other turnstile. so how do i go over to the other side?

I'm a 10-shot BP JOAT, can I go first?

hmhmhmmm imma go with no

Booooo UNVOTE: firebringer
Also UNVOTE: turnstyle - superbowl9

Yeah can we yeet this person into the hell dimmension.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyone want to go to the purple room? We should probly coordinate that with the other thread as well no?

Also @ me when something AI happens pls

the anime man is scum

yo thank you i'm not losing my fucking mind

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also why would scum me want to move over to other thread. Don't scum get to choose which side they are on or just the number of people on each side?

Scum stacking one side seems good for them no?

pedit: a tradition unlike any other: me racking up early SRs

holy fucking hell bad reaction

this might be tipping over into "is this just really really bad townie who doesn't know how the fuck to play"

ughhhh fuck i didn't want to have to think

i just wanted to kill the baddies

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh god I live in the lolhammer timeline

Get me out of here please

This post concerns me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I seem to be having gluten allergies. :/

Apparently so because this crumble cake is super super moist. Yet one bite and you're done?


~TDB

I just want you two to know that...

wait

4?

I want you 4 to know I hate all 4 of you and this stupid coded double speak between heads makes me want to kill you all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

stop spamming please.

I need this ego so badly cuz fuck I can't keep up.

yeah this can die

[Lady Lambdadelta]

stop spamming please.

I need this ego so badly cuz fuck I can't keep up.

hahaha

ik. ik -_________________-

stop spamming please says the person who walks into a 14 page game and posts

that post and this post.

Fuck, Noraa. How can you draw scum every game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a gut scum read on ffery head.

Cabd head is town from the stupid phone post comment, but the ffery head has done exactly 0 in this thread and only done cross thread stuff.

Which was a thing I wanted to be looking for from experienced players as a dodge tactic.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This post concerns me.

It concerns me, too.

Why does it concern you, bruv

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean, so what if she is.

Pedit i dont think they're in a hydra together

They aren't.

Cabd is Dandelion.

Ffery is Deacon.

I'm saying Deacon=Scum, Dandelion=Town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is Noraa not super low-hanging fruit atm?

This is a really REALLY early time to call a player LHF.

Why are you interested in defending Noraa this way, rather, why do you believe Noraa to be LHF here?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kay, I'm caught up in this thread.

Deacon, Noraa, Superbowl are my top scum reads.

Unvote: Noraa
Unvote: Deacon

Now I got votes on all 3.

Now I have to read the other fucking thread.

Also Peta and Cabd are town in this thread. Also the person Peta says is town is town for now too.

Ye

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spiffeh scum in the other thread

Imperium town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hench Princesses needs a bullet, but not a vote.

Assuming we can even... have town bullets.

My point is we kill them later, or with bullets at night.

Votes are for other people.

(they're probably scum but also underwhelming)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

unwnd town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pooky scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Brian town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Big yikes on Spiffeh and Unwnd not seeing Peta for town here.

Not sure what that means that I have reversed reads on them and they agree on that bad read, probably just means nothing?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why are you interested in defending Noraa this way, rather, why do you believe Noraa to be LHF here?

Noraa is quite possibly the spammiest person in the history of the site. (She has the highest posts per day I've ever seen, by a factor of about 3.) To see her of all people complaining about spam... well, it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to think something's weird about that.

I agree with you.

So why does that make her Low Hanging Fruit?

Why does her having a behaviour change in that way not indicate an alignment problem for you?

Note that she tried this same kind of stunt in death curse. As scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if there's someone who the lhf label would apply to it'd be sb9, whose opening was awkward but may just come from unfamiliarity

See this is why you are town, but I'm upset you took this here before I could draw S_S into more of this convo to see where they stood on that.

I was trying to explore S_S reads

big mad

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unwnd, your thoughts so far are fairly vague. Do you have an exact group of people you think are scum interacting with each other as of rn?

and is this a continuation of your peta=scum read from earlier?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So Unwnd's take is... strong player paranoia?

I literally just entered the game and did a full catch up. I've been playing for all of 2 hours and you're concerned I'm not being... challenged or non-conformist enough?

in 21 pages?

That's a very very strange take for day 1 this early to be like this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

That you’re scum. You’ve focused on the other thread and gone with the consensus flow in this one, despite trying to look like you’re doing something productive

I did a full catch up in this thread and found 3 scum reads, two of which are contested by other players (Noraa, Deacon). I'm not exactly going with the flow.

Additionally, you'll notice while I gave full thoughts, quotes and reasons for this thread reads, I did simple reads for the other thread. That's because I want the focus to be on this thread.

So essentially, what I'm saying is that both your points here are not just false, but provably false.

So where does that leave you? Are you going to double down after being shown to be provably wrong, or are you going to reconsider your positions?

It means a lot for your alignment, so choose wisely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD,

Alter Ego sees your scumread and rolls her eyes.

~ Street

I mean, eyes do tend to roll back into the head once I kill you so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

That you’re scum. You’ve focused on the other thread and gone with the consensus flow in this one, despite trying to look like you’re doing something productive

I did a full catch up in this thread and found 3 scum reads, two of which are contested by other players (Noraa, Deacon). I'm not exactly going with the flow.

Additionally, you'll notice while I gave full thoughts, quotes and reasons for this thread reads, I did simple reads for the other thread. That's because I want the focus to be on this thread.

So essentially, what I'm saying is that both your points here are not just false, but provably false.

So where does that leave you? Are you going to double down after being shown to be provably wrong, or are you going to reconsider your positions?

It means a lot for your alignment, so choose wisely.

So Unwnd's take is... strong player paranoia?

I literally just entered the game and did a full catch up. I've been playing for all of 2 hours and you're concerned I'm not being... challenged or non-conformist enough?

in 21 pages?

That's a very very strange take for day 1 this early to be like this.

I understand you just got here but that doesnt remove my pings. You can look at a page 21 entry somewhat like a replace: they can help come in and bring a fresh perspective to the game. You haven’t done that.

Last chance to respond to this before I death tunnel you, btw.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't want to give time if you are scum for you to possibly be coached so.

chop chop

answers now or death

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

That you’re scum. You’ve focused on the other thread and gone with the consensus flow in this one, despite trying to look like you’re doing something productive

I did a full catch up in this thread and found 3 scum reads, two of which are contested by other players (Noraa, Deacon). I'm not exactly going with the flow.

Additionally, you'll notice while I gave full thoughts, quotes and reasons for this thread reads, I did simple reads for the other thread. That's because I want the focus to be on this thread.

So essentially, what I'm saying is that both your points here are not just false, but provably false.

So where does that leave you? Are you going to double down after being shown to be provably wrong, or are you going to reconsider your positions?

It means a lot for your alignment, so choose wisely.

Noraa is a widely contested scumread?? What are you smoking? And you said it yourself: you’ve been in the game for 2 hours and are already talking about the other thread - but yes my push on you is fabricated because I’m scum doing... what exactly?

As of so far in my thread, two different players have questioned the noraa scum read, including a whole conversation about Noraa as LHF.

Or did you skip that?

Also, I find it very interesting you're suddenly very defensive about your push being "fabricated" when I never said that, brought up that word, or insinuated you being fake in any way.

I just said your points were provably false. Town can be WRONG, you know.

But not scum. Scum fabricate.

So why did you go to fabrication first?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Quick pop-in.

LLD, did you address the whole "You think Noraa goes for the same play again knowing you're in the thread" thing and I missed it?

~TDB

I have not addressed that because I think that it hurts the entire purpose of pushing Noraa rn.

If you can't understand why that is, I can't help you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD,

Alter Ego sees your scumread and rolls her eyes.

~ Street

I mean, eyes do tend to roll back into the head once I kill you so

not gonna happen. something something playstyle clash, I assume.

Sadly, I'm townreading you.

In other news, skitter's push on Annie Edison is troubling, and becoming more so.

what do you mean sadly

now i get to push you as scum and you can't even OMGUS me

that's pretty poggers if you ask me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

That you’re scum. You’ve focused on the other thread and gone with the consensus flow in this one, despite trying to look like you’re doing something productive

I did a full catch up in this thread and found 3 scum reads, two of which are contested by other players (Noraa, Deacon). I'm not exactly going with the flow.

Additionally, you'll notice while I gave full thoughts, quotes and reasons for this thread reads, I did simple reads for the other thread. That's because I want the focus to be on this thread.

So essentially, what I'm saying is that both your points here are not just false, but provably false.

So where does that leave you? Are you going to double down after being shown to be provably wrong, or are you going to reconsider your positions?

It means a lot for your alignment, so choose wisely.

Noraa is a widely contested scumread?? What are you smoking? And you said it yourself: you’ve been in the game for 2 hours and are already talking about the other thread - but yes my push on you is fabricated because I’m scum doing... what exactly?

As of so far in my thread, two different players have questioned the noraa scum read, including a whole conversation about Noraa as LHF.

Or did you skip that?

Also, I find it very interesting you're suddenly very defensive about your push being "fabricated" when I never said that, brought up that word, or insinuated you being fake in any way.

I just said your points were provably false. Town can be WRONG, you know.

But not scum. Scum fabricate.

So why did you go to fabrication first?

Superbowl honestly prob town
Pedit i would love to hear more abt that when i get back later

Annnnnnnd the tradition has been fulfilled

BRO WHERE'D YOU GO BRO

BRO

BRO

COME TALK TO ME ABOUT OVER-DEFENSIVE POSTING AND TELLING ON YOURSELF WITH WORD CHOICES

BRO

I WAS JUST STARTIGN TO HAVE FUN BRO

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

That you’re scum. You’ve focused on the other thread and gone with the consensus flow in this one, despite trying to look like you’re doing something productive

I did a full catch up in this thread and found 3 scum reads, two of which are contested by other players (Noraa, Deacon). I'm not exactly going with the flow.

Additionally, you'll notice while I gave full thoughts, quotes and reasons for this thread reads, I did simple reads for the other thread. That's because I want the focus to be on this thread.

So essentially, what I'm saying is that both your points here are not just false, but provably false.

So where does that leave you? Are you going to double down after being shown to be provably wrong, or are you going to reconsider your positions?

It means a lot for your alignment, so choose wisely.

Noraa is a widely contested scumread?? What are you smoking? And you said it yourself: you’ve been in the game for 2 hours and are already talking about the other thread - but yes my push on you is fabricated because I’m scum doing... what exactly?

As of so far in my thread, two different players have questioned the noraa scum read, including a whole conversation about Noraa as LHF.

Or did you skip that?

Also, I find it very interesting you're suddenly very defensive about your push being "fabricated" when I never said that, brought up that word, or insinuated you being fake in any way.

I just said your points were provably false. Town can be WRONG, you know.

But not scum. Scum fabricate.

So why did you go to fabrication first?

So riddle me this: if a player is characterized as LHF then does that indicate they’re a widely townread slot in your world? Ah yes I’m the one who got “very defensive” in this interaction. You stated my answer was important for my alignment - just wondering if you’ll ever actually follow up on how I’m scum there or just keep making my points for me

Okay, so let's be fucking clear here yeah?

1) Where did "widely townread" come from? I never said that. I said "contested". You turned that into "widely contested". And then when I ignored your word swap, you've now turned that into "widely townread".

Why did you change the wording twice from my initial statement, using a ship of thesius problem to get to "widely townread"?

2) Players calling another play LHF, indicates they believe that player is town and a risk of being miselimed. Do you agree or disagree?

3) Your answer WAS important for your alignment. The choice I offered you was effectively a blackmail, or a townie might take it as one. Agree with me, or be labelled scum. So as a townie, I would expect you to respond to that with indignation and a form of pushback against being told what to do.

But you didn't do that. You responded DEFENSIVELY. You changed what I said to suit your needs, you brought up a positional statement regarding Fabrication (which you just ignored, btw, in that last post to now go on the offensive against me) and then ignored all my points to try and OMGUS me.

So, all 3 of those combined, make me feel much better than you are, infact, scum.

You asked me before, why would you push me here? Well, fabricate a push was your words, but I'll answer all the same.

You were coached by a better player, to attack me, because my response to these things is to hammer home on players like you.

Your... less than effective pushing on me, shall we say, is giving you a kind of "too scum to be scum" appearance, and I even mentioned that earlier in this thread.

So it is my suspicion, someone talented is telling you to play off of that.

I think you are using me to sounding board a long protracted fight that will get you out of this situation... or die, but cause no damage to your teammates.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HEY DEACON

What do you think of Superbowl turning the word "contested" into "widely contested" and then turning that into "widely townread"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

That you’re scum. You’ve focused on the other thread and gone with the consensus flow in this one, despite trying to look like you’re doing something productive

I did a full catch up in this thread and found 3 scum reads, two of which are contested by other players (Noraa, Deacon). I'm not exactly going with the flow.

Additionally, you'll notice while I gave full thoughts, quotes and reasons for this thread reads, I did simple reads for the other thread. That's because I want the focus to be on this thread.

So essentially, what I'm saying is that both your points here are not just false, but provably false.

So where does that leave you? Are you going to double down after being shown to be provably wrong, or are you going to reconsider your positions?

It means a lot for your alignment, so choose wisely.

Noraa is a widely contested scumread?? What are you smoking? And you said it yourself: you’ve been in the game for 2 hours and are already talking about the other thread - but yes my push on you is fabricated because I’m scum doing... what exactly?

As of so far in my thread, two different players have questioned the noraa scum read, including a whole conversation about Noraa as LHF.

Or did you skip that?

Also, I find it very interesting you're suddenly very defensive about your push being "fabricated" when I never said that, brought up that word, or insinuated you being fake in any way.

I just said your points were provably false. Town can be WRONG, you know.

But not scum. Scum fabricate.

So why did you go to fabrication first?

So riddle me this: if a player is characterized as LHF then does that indicate they’re a widely townread slot in your world? Ah yes I’m the one who got “very defensive” in this interaction. You stated my answer was important for my alignment - just wondering if you’ll ever actually follow up on how I’m scum there or just keep making my points for me

Okay, so let's be fucking clear here yeah?

1) Where did "widely townread" come from? I never said that. I said "contested". You turned that into "widely contested". And then when I ignored your word swap, you've now turned that into "widely townread".

Why did you change the wording twice from my initial statement, using a ship of thesius problem to get to "widely townread"?

2) Players calling another play LHF, indicates they believe that player is town and a risk of being miselimed. Do you agree or disagree?

3) Your answer WAS important for your alignment. The choice I offered you was effectively a blackmail, or a townie might take it as one. Agree with me, or be labelled scum. So as a townie, I would expect you to respond to that with indignation and a form of pushback against being told what to do.

But you didn't do that. You responded DEFENSIVELY. You changed what I said to suit your needs, you brought up a positional statement regarding Fabrication (which you just ignored, btw, in that last post to now go on the offensive against me) and then ignored all my points to try and OMGUS me.

So, all 3 of those combined, make me feel much better than you are, infact, scum.

You asked me before, why would you push me here? Well, fabricate a push was your words, but I'll answer all the same.

You were coached by a better player, to attack me, because my response to these things is to hammer home on players like you.

Your... less than effective pushing on me, shall we say, is giving you a kind of "too scum to be scum" appearance, and I even mentioned that earlier in this thread.

So it is my suspicion, someone talented is telling you to play off of that.

I think you are using me to sounding board a long protracted fight that will get you out of this situation... or die, but cause no damage to your teammates.

Quoting this post for the next page so people are forced to read this.

Yo cabd, thoughts.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HEY DEACON

What do you think of Superbowl turning the word "contested" into "widely contested" and then turning that into "widely townread"?

Is that what happened?

I'm trying to post a reads list and I have Superbowl as weak town on the basis that he's reared up on his hind legs and is pushing back at you.

Read the post I quoted, it is outlined front to back in the multi quote

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You were coached by a better player, to attack me, because my response to these things is to hammer home on players like you.

This is quite tinfoily

Yeah, maybe?

But the sudden behaviour change from this player reads to me like they were instructed to go on like this. It was really snap change, like they read a discord message that told them what to do and now they're popping off.

Maybe it is too much tinfoil. It doesn't change the rest of the points being tangible in this thread and valid.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD really swinging hard in this game

I took a game off last game to meme and post videos.

And I was considering doing the same thing this game because lazy.

But 2 threads means if I don't stay current I'll never GET current.

And also it's not being hyper posted like the other game so there's that too.

I'm itching for the fight and I wanna hunt.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also why would scum me want to move over to other thread. Don't scum get to choose which side they are on or just the number of people on each side?

Scum stacking one side seems good for them no?

pedit: a tradition unlike any other: me racking up early SRs

holy fucking hell bad reaction

this might be tipping over into "is this just really really bad townie who doesn't know how the fuck to play"

ughhhh fuck i didn't want to have to think

i just wanted to kill the baddies

Yeah sorry its my first game on ms

You were coached by a better player, to attack me, because my response to these things is to hammer home on players like you.

This is quite tinfoily

yeah, i think lld should know most people aren't coached unless they are like new players
but maybe coached as in someone told u this might be a good idea instead of like coached as in do x, y, z

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But the sudden behaviour change from this player reads to me like they were instructed to go on like this. It was really snap change, like they read a discord message that told them what to do and now they're popping off.

That's a possible explanation, sure. But it seems more likely that sb is just an erratic player. That fits with the last game I played with him, and it fits with how he's playing here.

?

They said this was their first game on MS.

That's a big part of my tinfoil theory here. >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yo cabd, thoughts.

Are you done with your food?

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF PLAYING WITH MY FOOD

JUST BECAUSE I AM PLAYING WITH MY FOOD

So mean.

=(

Ye I'm done. What you want?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

They said this was their first game on MS.

It like... totally isn't though. That was sarcasm.

oh ffs

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this is my first mafia game. How do i play?

fk you how am i supposed to know they're being sarcastic

i'm pouting irl rn now. actual real pouting

this is the worsttttttttttt

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fk you how am i supposed to know they're being sarcastic

Title indicating 1000+ posts and joindate, I guess. Though not everyone looks at those.

oh

okay i'm stupid

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Town. There's a thing town tammy does that I don't think she can yet replicate, but this would be the game to prove me wrong. As for nacho....I misread him last game but like, I'm not gonna let that stop me from thinking he's townier than rand here, either.

Right now most of us over here think you have more scum over there. Do you agree with this consensus? I have seated paranoia especially in light of this, where I feel like one of the players you would feel comfort in have potential to be scum. There's nothing exactly there to like, fully develop a case on though. That isn't my intention either. A case in the sense I would have more to talk about in terms of what they're posting. The feelings I get is certain things I'm unable to put into decent words right now.

I think a few people interpreted my earlier comment to imply I think there's more scum over there, but I still think the most likely scenario is actually a 3/3 split--I just definitely do not think *this* thread has 4. I do think we should play like the game is a 2/4 split since *if* scum tried to run the gambit we should punish them for it, but really I think scum would probably recognize that the risks of a 2/4 split by endgame outweigh the wifom-related pros.

Basically I think it's 3/3 or 2/4, but not 4/2 (our thread/their thread)

Ok now I'm off for 12 hours see ya lata, <3 u LLD!

-E

WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE MYSTERY ALTS AND HYDRAS WHO <3 AT ME

I KEEP FINDING PEOPLE WHO KNOW MY OLD ASS AND AND WON'T TELL ME WHO THEY ARE

GAME AFTER GAME

help

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you really want me to respond LLD i will but i will also be disappointed

DISAPPOINTED?

well shit

we don't want that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Today has been a long and exhausting day.

Lemme catch this back up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Fire, It's because LLD was careless at best. Town!LLD isn't careless. She likes to play with emotions as scum. An early fight gets people to think not scum together. Starting from 509, that interaction with Superbowl is faked.

hmmm ill haave to go back and read this

???

How are you this easily conned, lol.

I can't make heads or tails of whether this is Titus being Moon Unit 9 with Moon Logic or actually intentionally doing this, but when was the last time you have ever seen me described as "not careless" as town.

Go look at the last 2 games I have played since returning to the site. It's FGO mafia and Xenoblade Mafia.

Go read my interaction with... uh what was the name of the accoutn. It was when I wanted someone to claim in FGO and I was super messy about it (and town).

And then my last game I literally rolled town and decided "fuck it people are hyper posting I'm gonna post youtube videos and empty quote things until I feel like doing shit.

My whole MO as town (and as scum, honestly, so it's kind of a null thing) is that I throw my weight around, force interactions and shape the game around that see what happens. It's not controlled or careful, it's chaotic and that's the point. Forces people to set on backfoot with stuff they can't possibly predict and be ready to react to.

And so now you're just sitting here and ready to take TITUS' word for "how town LLD plays" when there is not just provable evidence that it's a false claim, but also you're takling to a player who has never ever read me correctly in the history of ever and has a history of as scum, me dragging her dead weight ass to the end of games to be the vote I need to win.

I'm gonna ask again. How are you this easily conned?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

just trying to party, but my party people are in the other thread.

You have about 150 posts in 7 hours since you joined this game.

Do you believe this is conducive to helping town win this game?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna ask again. How are you this easily conned?

why do u ask questions u know answers to

Because I'm a huge bitch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

just trying to party, but my party people are in the other thread.

You have about 150 posts in 7 hours since you joined this game.

Do you believe this is conducive to helping town win this game?

I had a lot of work to do considering uncrowned had 1 post. Thanks for noticing it.

I mean I don't disagree but you could get that done in half the posts and make me want to gouge my eyes out less b'y.

More what I meant is that posts like "i wanna party.gif" are contentless and in a game that went from "controlled in size" to "oops 100 pages" more or less overnight, I'm asking you to keep posting to mostly relevant things or at least slow your roll so we can pace the game state and keep people engaged.

We need to not create apathy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i dont know what titus means by town you isn't careless tbh. She said your interactions with superbowl was funky. I thought "maybe i should reread that" to say ive been conned of that is a bit excessive.

well I chose to read her words at face value and assume "careless" means, you know, careless.

As for the word choice, I picked it specifically because it's how I felt. Maybe "lured in" is better? I feel like she put something out there with confidence "LLD is like THIS." and you were like "oh hmm, word, lemme see that shit"

and that's the con. Cause it's fucking ridiculous but she gets to look good either way for doing it. If you disagree you probably don't come back thinking she's scum for it, and if you agree, well... that's a whole other gain for her.

Again, IDK if she's scum because titus moon logics here way into threads and does this shit and I need like, another day or 2 to solve her.

But she's dead wrong, and I'd say she "should know better" but given she's never ever read me correctly... yeah maybe not.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm really just gonna take Cabd's word for TownDeacon, and if they're scum, deal with it later.

However this seems like a game where I get night killed early, then everyone pushes it away as nothing

Deacon is scum on my list and Cabd!hydra is town on my list.

So I'm literally in this same position. I want to kill Deacon but I'm not in the practice of forcing votes past strong town reads day 1, tbh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD did u read her predecessor Siriuis? i feel like u made comments on him but idr

Let me go see. I followed that thread and gave a bunch of snapfire reads as I read through in this thread for exactly this reason.

Let me go check what I wrote and get back to you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spiffeh scum in the other thread

Imperium town.

Hench Princesses needs a bullet, but not a vote.

Assuming we can even... have town bullets.

My point is we kill them later, or with bullets at night.

Votes are for other people.

(they're probably scum but also underwhelming)

unwnd town

Pooky scum

Brian town.

Big yikes on Spiffeh and Unwnd not seeing Peta for town here.

Not sure what that means that I have reversed reads on them and they agree on that bad read, probably just means nothing?

No I didn't read Sirius. Let me go do a predecessor check. Were they the person replaced out by force?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a gut scum read on ffery head.

Cabd head is town from the stupid phone post comment, but the ffery head has done exactly 0 in this thread and only done cross thread stuff.

Which was a thing I wanted to be looking for from experienced players as a dodge tactic.

This is what I first got pinged on.

they were too cute with their itneraction on the crumbing thing and I went to read them both and the cabd hydra had a post that read holy shit gut town.

but Deacon was just... a fuck ton of cross thread stuff with no in thread content and when I called them on it their reaction was to reference FGO and my misread on them there.

Which didn't sit well with me, Peta.

I'm also not pursuing it today past Cabd who I am feeling v. good about being town, but it's on my "list of people who need a bullet" ye?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh god

Sirius reads like an over excited townie who has terrible reads but doesn't care and is #tryinghisbest

That's the Titus slot?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The only mark against Sirius is the Unwnd vote and thinking Brian is scum. Those are 2 townies.

Is that enough bad reads to make the gut feel of how he posts... nope.

I'm pretty confident Sirius was town, so Titus is town.

fuck so I'm gonna have to deal with her being impossible all game?

dude

i hate this game all of a sudden

[Lady Lambdadelta]

can we at least turnstyle noraa hydra tf out of this thread if we're gonna kill SS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD at least ur in the uncivilized thread.

we get to call people names over here.
in that other thread they have ~tea and crumpets~

pretty disgusting if u ask me

Tea and Crumpets?

that's euroscum talk

we have bbq and bourbon over here motherfuckers

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ohh and if u missed Imperium is IC in other thread.

wait really?

this is good news

wait

did they pop it this early? wait explain how this happened.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lld do you have an opinion on https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12426712

I ask because I skimmed death curse and I feel like this has at least a little parallel to the situation in that game in that I saw a lot of early ATE reaction to pressure from her and want to know if you think it feels the same or different or don't want to make that call

I personally want to give noraa a d1 pass here just to see if she becomes easier to read later

-b

holy shit they did this again?

kill it burn it with fire.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i'm not the one to ask that question to because i read them correctly and ignored them doing that shit last time but then they convinced me they were really having a hard time emotionally and i felt bad so i didn't shoot them

that angleshoot remains not okay and i'm still mad about it

so now i don't think i can trust my read i'm literally blinded with "kill noraa rage" tbh.

but yes this is exactly the same move they pulled in death curse and i want to kill them for it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

bruh

they could ahve done this at any tmie and chose to do it day 1

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk what a waste of a resource

i guess this is p. sufficiently role madness that scum are in a weird position as a result I suppose?

I'm not gonna discuss that any further, because it's bad for town.

But I'm very sad about it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

roles like watcher should be on imperium.

If we hadn’t turnstiled LLD I would have suggested Imperium come here and I stick to them as BG

?

I've been turnstiled?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And then my last game I literally rolled town and decided "fuck it people are hyper posting I'm gonna post youtube videos and empty quote things until I feel like doing shit.

LLD you are my spirit animal. I think the Katsuki approach may end up being what I needed to maintain my sanity in games like this, thank you.

I love me too.

Now what's this about me being turnstiled?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a gut scum read on ffery head.

Cabd head is town from the stupid phone post comment, but the ffery head has done exactly 0 in this thread and only done cross thread stuff.

Which was a thing I wanted to be looking for from experienced players as a dodge tactic.

This is what I first got pinged on.

they were too cute with their itneraction on the crumbing thing and I went to read them both and the cabd hydra had a post that read holy shit gut town.

but Deacon was just... a fuck ton of cross thread stuff with no in thread content and when I called them on it their reaction was to reference FGO and my misread on them there.

Which didn't sit well with me, Peta.

I'm also not pursuing it today past Cabd who I am feeling v. good about being town, but it's on my "list of people who need a bullet" ye?

Okay fucking time out cos I actually called out FB on the cross-thread stuff? Why’s he get a pass?

Cause FB is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Negative Covid test result. Thank Arceus. Gonna go cry of stress relief for a while.

Please don't vote to purple room me. TIA

You may have to caucus yet.

my big issue with that guess is i don't ever see a team with nora/deacon ever choosing them to be the 2 side of a 4/2. those are players who are going to want a support system in place. those 2 would not be a pair confident they can carry a thread for a few days and avoid ICing half the town

What's your read of us?

-----------------------

FL you posted something last night about not interacting with me because we clashed so hard in Illicit.

I don't think you have a choice in that matter unless you want to just talk about us in the 3rd person, because right now bork is pretty done with you.

We had you leaning town on the basis of your entrance posts. Bork is feeling like your interaction with him when he was trying to figure what was bugging you about Imperium, and your characterization of his side of of the convo is straight-up disingenuous. I don't go that far. I think you build narratives and then force-fit players' posts into them (that's what you did with Morph posts -- mostly mine -- in Illicit), and I don't think it's AI.

fwiw I developed some respect for your town game in Xeno. Giving you any headspace in that game came about initially due to Cabd's read of you. I'd like to find a happy medium this game, where it's my read, and not so much outsourced.

-----------------------

skitter, I'm somewhat surprised by your read of us, given we've butted heads for a big chunk of this game regarding Annie and to a lesser extent Noraa. Why are you townreading us?

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LLD: 2400. Also I have a story to tell you about my reaction to you in FGO, if you're interested. I learned something about myself in that game.

~ street

I would like to hear this, yes please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I wouldn't mind going to purple room, if we're making requests.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler:

I think LLD is scum and I can't even reach the barbarians because they won't stop fighting. Skitter is in a dangerous position and I don't know where the bus starts and where town being right ends. In that sense, I haven't been able to track why Skitter is being voted. It just literally happened, like a murmur that turned into a bunch of loud voices convinced that Skitter was scum. The progression is concerning, and if there is a bus in play it is far more subtle and not even being tracked. The few who are town and voting Skitter are likely just sheeping someone they believe is town, but again I refer back to the whole contingency plan. There is none.

IWhy do you think LLD is scum?

I'll try to illustrate this because a lot of your side doesn't like to read walls. Please tell me if this is confusing.

Progression for town players usually follows a recognizable pattern to me. I can usually understand why they went from Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (Reasoning of vote) ➜ Here (Applying pressure to individual) ➜ Vote. LLD so far does not follow this pattern.

Her thought process on Superbowl went like this:
Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE BEING COACHED I SEE THROUGH YOU YOU ARE SCUM UGHHHH PROCEED TO THROW FUCKING EVERYTHING AT SUPERBOWL PERFORMATIVE NONSENSE) ➜ Vote. She outright skipped a few steps and went from 0 to 100 on one person, and if her intent was to merely pressure Superbowl, then something must've come out of it right? Not really. LLD's one big moment was her fight with Superbowl and then the rest is just (performative nonsense). Look at her posts and tell me if you can gauge where her next thought has lead since that fight and if you can I'll take back everything I've said.

Requesting beam and maybe some responses

mobile but intend to do the homework later

Let me do the homework for you and put this nonsense to rest, yeah?

if i understand my role correctly, i am a cop in the other turnstile. so how do i go over to the other side?

I'm a 10-shot BP JOAT, can I go first?

UNVOTE: Superbowl9

Kay, I'm caught up in this thread.

Deacon, Noraa, Superbowl are my top scum reads.

Unvote: Noraa
Unvote: Deacon

Now I got votes on all 3.

Now I have to read the other fucking thread.

Also Peta and Cabd are town in this thread. Also the person Peta says is town is town for now too.

Ye

Here we have my 9th isolation post, in the middle of my entry to the game where I catch up, in which I vote for Superbowl.

Following it is my isolation post 22, where I finish my catchup and affirm I have superbowl as scum.

Please note that the beginning of the Superbowl interaction I had occurs here:

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

My isolation 32, and some pages and pages later.

SO, what we have here from Unwnd is a BOLD FACE MISREPRESENTATION OF THE FACTS.

In truth, what happened was I read the game, found something scummy from unwnd, voted for pressure, affirmed my scumread when I finished catching up...

THEN had that interaction, which was primarily used to either cement or change my read on them depending on how they reacted, which I SAID AS MUCH in one of my posts in the interaction.

So Unwnd either doesn't know his asshole from his elbow or is willfully misrepresenting... no, blatantly LYING about this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HEY FUCKERS IN THE OTHER THREAD

ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW UNWND TOLD A STRAIGHT UP LIE ON A ON AND OFF ACTIVITY PLAYER?

DO YOU THINK THEY MAYBE THOUGHT I WOULD MISS THIS?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I lied. LLD arriving is worth losing sleep over as I enjoy playing with her regardless of her alignment.

LLD, where's the lie?

Funny, I can't say the same about you.

Why do I need to spell everything out for you, just read the fucking post. Unwnd says in the post that I do the thing with Superbowl, then vote them.

And uses an interaction method above that he says is what "townies look like".

When in reality I had done that interaction method pages ago during catch up and had been voting and scumreading that slot PRIOR TO INTERACTING WITH SUPERBOWL AT THAT TIME.

So he told a bold face lie.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler:

I think LLD is scum and I can't even reach the barbarians because they won't stop fighting. Skitter is in a dangerous position and I don't know where the bus starts and where town being right ends. In that sense, I haven't been able to track why Skitter is being voted. It just literally happened, like a murmur that turned into a bunch of loud voices convinced that Skitter was scum. The progression is concerning, and if there is a bus in play it is far more subtle and not even being tracked. The few who are town and voting Skitter are likely just sheeping someone they believe is town, but again I refer back to the whole contingency plan. There is none.

IWhy do you think LLD is scum?

I'll try to illustrate this because a lot of your side doesn't like to read walls. Please tell me if this is confusing.

Progression for town players usually follows a recognizable pattern to me. I can usually understand why they went from Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (Reasoning of vote) ➜ Here (Applying pressure to individual) ➜ Vote. LLD so far does not follow this pattern.

Her thought process on Superbowl went like this:
Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE BEING COACHED I SEE THROUGH YOU YOU ARE SCUM UGHHHH PROCEED TO THROW FUCKING EVERYTHING AT SUPERBOWL PERFORMATIVE NONSENSE) ➜ Vote. She outright skipped a few steps and went from 0 to 100 on one person, and if her intent was to merely pressure Superbowl, then something must've come out of it right? Not really. LLD's one big moment was her fight with Superbowl and then the rest is just (performative nonsense). Look at her posts and tell me if you can gauge where her next thought has lead since that fight and if you can I'll take back everything I've said.

I started to respond to this but decided I need to stew. And talk to Imperium. And Dandelion. I think they both have a better handle on LLD as both alignments than I do.

BRUH

READ MY FUCKING POST.

THIS IS A COMPLETE FABRICATION AND MISREPRESENTATION OF THE ACTUAL EVENTS OF THAT INTERACTION AND MY PLAY LEADING INTO IT.

you fucking people

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm a little confused by LLD's re-entrance here. LLD seems very selectively focused and defense focused. Her attack on unwnd is all about the perception of her and looking better in this thread (whether that's because of a misunderstanding or not). I'd like to see LLD a little less self-focused and more focused on the thread at large. LLD picking at people who see the thread the way I do is a straight path to near lockscum.

You know I do have other shit to be doing.

If I can cause a stir and force interactions around myself with something free instead of havign to forceably create a new interaction point, it's better for me because they're more organic.

How the fuck do you not understand how to turn people's stances on you into interactino points to gain more reads from how others view and comment on the fight.

Like.... this is basics

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler:

I think LLD is scum and I can't even reach the barbarians because they won't stop fighting. Skitter is in a dangerous position and I don't know where the bus starts and where town being right ends. In that sense, I haven't been able to track why Skitter is being voted. It just literally happened, like a murmur that turned into a bunch of loud voices convinced that Skitter was scum. The progression is concerning, and if there is a bus in play it is far more subtle and not even being tracked. The few who are town and voting Skitter are likely just sheeping someone they believe is town, but again I refer back to the whole contingency plan. There is none.

IWhy do you think LLD is scum?

I'll try to illustrate this because a lot of your side doesn't like to read walls. Please tell me if this is confusing.

Progression for town players usually follows a recognizable pattern to me. I can usually understand why they went from Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (Reasoning of vote) ➜ Here (Applying pressure to individual) ➜ Vote. LLD so far does not follow this pattern.

Her thought process on Superbowl went like this:
Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE BEING COACHED I SEE THROUGH YOU YOU ARE SCUM UGHHHH PROCEED TO THROW FUCKING EVERYTHING AT SUPERBOWL PERFORMATIVE NONSENSE) ➜ Vote. She outright skipped a few steps and went from 0 to 100 on one person, and if her intent was to merely pressure Superbowl, then something must've come out of it right? Not really. LLD's one big moment was her fight with Superbowl and then the rest is just (performative nonsense). Look at her posts and tell me if you can gauge where her next thought has lead since that fight and if you can I'll take back everything I've said.

Requesting beam and maybe some responses

mobile but intend to do the homework later

Let me do the homework for you and put this nonsense to rest, yeah?

if i understand my role correctly, i am a cop in the other turnstile. so how do i go over to the other side?

I'm a 10-shot BP JOAT, can I go first?

UNVOTE: Superbowl9

Kay, I'm caught up in this thread.

Deacon, Noraa, Superbowl are my top scum reads.

Unvote: Noraa
Unvote: Deacon

Now I got votes on all 3.

Now I have to read the other fucking thread.

Also Peta and Cabd are town in this thread. Also the person Peta says is town is town for now too.

Ye

Here we have my 9th isolation post, in the middle of my entry to the game where I catch up, in which I vote for Superbowl.

Following it is my isolation post 22, where I finish my catchup and affirm I have superbowl as scum.

Please note that the beginning of the Superbowl interaction I had occurs here:

Lets test my theory
UNVOTE: lady lambdelta you are my biggest scumread right now.

theory?

My isolation 32, and some pages and pages later.

SO, what we have here from Unwnd is a BOLD FACE MISREPRESENTATION OF THE FACTS.

In truth, what happened was I read the game, found something scummy from unwnd, voted for pressure, affirmed my scumread when I finished catching up...

THEN had that interaction, which was primarily used to either cement or change my read on them depending on how they reacted, which I SAID AS MUCH in one of my posts in the interaction.

So Unwnd either doesn't know his asshole from his elbow or is willfully misrepresenting... no, blatantly LYING about this.

|
Ctrl+F "coach" your own ISO and you will see the posts I was talking about.

wtf is wrong with you

You don't get to tell me that like, OH I ONLY MEANT THESSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEE POSTS.

THE ONES OVER HEEEEEEERE.

when you describe me VOTING THIS PLAYER AFTER THE INTERACTION.

YOU CAN'T JUST CHERRY PICK IT AND TREAT IT LIKE A REPRESENTATION OF THE WHOLE

AND THEN WHEN CALLED ON IT SHRUG IT OFF LIKE "oh oops nvm i just meant the ones i like, also ignnore that my point makes no sense if you already had a scumread on the slot before the interaction occured."

Fucks sakes

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler:

I think LLD is scum and I can't even reach the barbarians because they won't stop fighting. Skitter is in a dangerous position and I don't know where the bus starts and where town being right ends. In that sense, I haven't been able to track why Skitter is being voted. It just literally happened, like a murmur that turned into a bunch of loud voices convinced that Skitter was scum. The progression is concerning, and if there is a bus in play it is far more subtle and not even being tracked. The few who are town and voting Skitter are likely just sheeping someone they believe is town, but again I refer back to the whole contingency plan. There is none.

IWhy do you think LLD is scum?

I'll try to illustrate this because a lot of your side doesn't like to read walls. Please tell me if this is confusing.

Progression for town players usually follows a recognizable pattern to me. I can usually understand why they went from Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (Reasoning of vote) ➜ Here (Applying pressure to individual) ➜ Vote. LLD so far does not follow this pattern.

Her thought process on Superbowl went like this:
Here (Inquiry of alignment) ➜ Here (YOU ARE SCUM YOU ARE BEING COACHED I SEE THROUGH YOU YOU ARE SCUM UGHHHH PROCEED TO THROW FUCKING EVERYTHING AT SUPERBOWL PERFORMATIVE NONSENSE) ➜ Vote. She outright skipped a few steps and went from 0 to 100 on one person, and if her intent was to merely pressure Superbowl, then something must've come out of it right? Not really. LLD's one big moment was her fight with Superbowl and then the rest is just (performative nonsense). Look at her posts and tell me if you can gauge where her next thought has lead since that fight and if you can I'll take back everything I've said.

I started to respond to this but decided I need to stew. And talk to Imperium. And Dandelion. I think they both have a better handle on LLD as both alignments than I do.

BRUH

READ MY FUCKING POST.

THIS IS A COMPLETE FABRICATION AND MISREPRESENTATION OF THE ACTUAL EVENTS OF THAT INTERACTION AND MY PLAY LEADING INTO IT.

you fucking people

That's one of the reasons why I want to stew on it. I don't have the brain cells to do much more than float right now. It's another day where I really REALLY should have crashed for a few hours during the day and didn't.

oh worm

i'm sorry we yelled at you, get some rest or something

AND THEN GET YOUR ASS BACK EHRE SO I CAN YELL AT YOU AGAIN FOR BEING DENSE

or something like that idk my anger gets deflated a lot when people are having a hard time

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD, What can I do, aside from dropping my scumread on you, to make the game more enjoyable for you? We all play to have fun and I want you to have fun even if you think I'm a dumbass.

Titus the first time we played after I did what I did to you in Machina mafia, you were paranoid and I just kind of swallowed it and took it. I figured it was natural, gotta get it out of the system.

We're 2+ years later now and you're doing the same fucking play pattern, pretending you have a solid way to read me and using some kind of authority you have not earned from our prior experiences to speak on how i play as if you know that at all.

what frustrates me titus, is that you're not actually even scumreading me, you're scumreading the ghost of a player i'm not, and i can't really fucking argue with it or you.

you tell me "lld is like this, lld is liek that so she's scum here" and then i have to come in here and go "that's not true, that's patently false here is the evidence" but by then you've moved on to make more equally wrong but loud statements.

It's a tactic called "Never play defense" and I know you're a lawyer but i wish you'd stop literally playing like one.

you have yourself convinced of a truth, so now you're putting together a case to make it work, not the other way around is waht it feels

and that's hyper frustrating, because it's not even somehting i can make you stop. you go "oh look lld is playing so defensively" but as a townie i'm not going to let misinformation about me circulate and go unchecked because then people believe it's credible and the truth.

doing the same thing with unwnd. post an untruth, get checked.

so maybe, if you wanna know what i want, start taking your own fucking advice and decide who you are gonna kill in your own thread and stop talking out your ass as an expert on a player you have never successfully read even once from my recollection.

and my memory for mafia games is pretty fucking good

[Lady Lambdadelta]

maybe im just clouded by thinking ive been very townie.

fb you're town lol

it's already in the bank and locked in the vault, kay?

and you know FL and I are calling you town, which means you're never getting yeeted today or as long as either of us live... well, as long as i live, FL could change his mind who fucking knows.

So don't worry about that shit and instead be bold and speak truth to power. it's literally your best trait.

like you calling me playing like kuribo? that's healthy paranoia. it's wrong in this case but i understand where it comes frmo, and i do need to be more present in the game. life has been hard recently, but i'm keeping up

so just do that and go after the hard or unseen shit ye?

and FL and I will back you up from the consequences

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay Superbowl

10 million dollar question time to solidfy my read of you one way or another

who the fuck are you to have played 10+ games with me I'm honestyl so confused lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yo hench princesses

who the fuck are you people and how do you know me btw

i asked earlier and you ignored us, so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay Superbowl

10 million dollar question time to solidfy my read of you one way or another

who the fuck are you to have played 10+ games with me I'm honestyl so confused lmfao

he said less than 10. he's doing this gimmick where he is the all knowing meta expert (he anti meta, I think and he's playing around)

o

well fuck me sideways then i guess lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay Superbowl

10 million dollar question time to solidfy my read of you one way or another

who the fuck are you to have played 10+ games with me I'm honestyl so confused lmfao

Hectic

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

okay, yep hmmm

gonna let that one marinate

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay Superbowl

10 million dollar question time to solidfy my read of you one way or another

who the fuck are you to have played 10+ games with me I'm honestyl so confused lmfao

he said less than 10. he's doing this gimmick where he is the all knowing meta expert (he anti meta, I think and he's playing around)

Ill have you know it was greater than 10 actually

okay so i'm not fucking crazy

GOOD

GOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Been doing some back reading and in all the commotion with unwnd being a baddie, I missed this interaction that came right after it

I could vote LLD.

UNVOTE: lld

I do want us to come to some kind of consensus on skitter sometime soon too.

Midwaybear maybe just scum here for this?

Please not that the third post here comes 2 minutes after Skitter's vote, so it's not liek midway posted it without seeing the skitter vote ye?

Presenting a weak non-committal scumread on me into skitter voting me into instantly flipping on skitter

Like what happened to "i could vote LLD".

Feels hyper weird.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Hench - do you know League of Legends at all? Bell is a Yuumi Town.

useless and parasites themselves onto hard carries?

Kappa

[Lady Lambdadelta]

k i'm done for the night

i've now taken an edible and it's hitting me

time to watch stupid videos

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh sweet they sent pooky to die

Unvote: Pooky

I will do Pooky, Midwaybear or Noraa today. All 3 of those make me v. happy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ok i'm convinced
UNVOTE: fl

pedit this side never actually, like, formally agreed to that
either way pooky is town

Pooky very not town, lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm so serious bro

I'm on two edibles rn and everything is floating on a cloud

but i'm so serious and voting and kill you

pooky ain't got my back enough =(

[Lady Lambdadelta]

the fuck is this lunacy i can't tell if i'm asleep and imagining shit or what

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why does this dumb shit happen when i decide to get high wtf why flavour

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why is there so much scum in this thread

Is that why this game sucks and I can get exactly 0 traction? because everyone is secretly scum?

is that why the obvious town FL died despite a townblock of FB Owl and I and they all existign?

I hate this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Deacon is scum
Midway is scum
GFITAC orwhatever is scum
Skitter is ????? no idea. I think scum but maybe just bad?

POOKY IS UBER SCUM.

What is HAPPENING

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Owl I'm not fucking turnstiling you because that's awful.

It might literally be 5-1 in terms of scum over here and I'm not losing a bastion of my sanity. Fuck that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need to go to the bert caves. Urgently.

The hole in one in four might be Peta.

And my theory about the combo pizza on that same page is now fact in evidence.

Chicken respite for now, this might be tofu after all, rejoice, spiffeh.

I fucking hate you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I hate this garbage.

I hate you and Deacon both.

Fuck everything and everyone.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think if Deacon is scum, they are probably scum with at least one of the people they called out in that opening post. I would not expect them to make that post if all of the people they called out are town and they are scum.

If for some reason you are town, which I highly doubt, but for the sake of wanting to kill deacon, let's entertain this.

Then the "pooky is scum so is midway but we're doing Skitter today" looks really bad for Pooky+Deacon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why are you scumreading Deacon again?

I explained this yesterday, but it's relating to how they opened into the thread with more interest in cross thread alliance than with reading anyone here.

Ever since then their reactions have been bad, I have a bad gut taste about everything, and to cap it off they had a whole night with a confirmed townie hydra and their big entrance was.... that townie hydra being dead and now they are coming out with this plan?

Their reads feel bad and manufactured and they're doing weird code with cabd and fuck it, nope, scum. It reeks to high hell.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need to go to the bert caves. Urgently.

The hole in one in four might be Peta.

And my theory about the combo pizza on that same page is now fact in evidence.

Chicken respite for now, this might be tofu after all, rejoice, spiffeh.

yeah honestly I'm done playing with this and with you.

Shoot one, vote the other. One scum in you and deacon every time.

Unloop: Dandelion Wine

Die. Just... die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Though it's going to be a whole lot of fun after LLD's 4254!

Don't worry about any neighbourhoods you have yeah?

Dandelion won't be alive to post in them much longer, and you're next.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need to go to the bert caves. Urgently.

The hole in one in four might be Peta.

And my theory about the combo pizza on that same page is now fact in evidence.

Chicken respite for now, this might be tofu after all, rejoice, spiffeh.

yeah honestly I'm done playing with this and with you.

Shoot one, vote the other. One scum in you and deacon every time.

Unloop: Dandelion Wine

Die. Just... die.

If this is what it sounds like, then YOU are about to have a serious problem.

I'm willing to bet that you're scummier than I am.

I don't care anymore. You're both making this game miserable with this coded phrase shit and I think at least one of you is scum for this Day 2 entrance, so.

Both of you can die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reiterating that Dandelion Wine is town as fuck and if anyone (un)votes them in this game You will hear from me when I'm a treestump.

This feels underserved

almost feels like scum posturing, doesn't it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OH FUCK I thought you targeted me.

This is even worse LLD.

If this isn't a reaction test then you are getting yeeted today. I'll 1v1 you into the fucking ground.

Good luck, scumbag.

I'd be voting you already but the vote count is gonna reset, so...

I'll save my energy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well I just got out of the shower and on the very off chance that that was real please be aware that I confirm literally everything that went down in the purple room because I was there with them and you should listen to the goddamn plan.

Fuck your plan.

Fuck your rules.

Eat lead.

Die with a smile.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OH FUCK I thought you targeted me.

This is even worse LLD.

If this isn't a reaction test then you are getting yeeted today. I'll 1v1 you into the fucking ground.

Good luck, scumbag.

I'd be voting you already but the vote count is gonna reset, so...

I'll save my energy.

If you're town then you utterly suck.

You take every ounce of respect I've ever had for you and flush it.

Unbelievable.

I need your respect like I need chocolate cake.

It'd be nice to have, but in the end it's just empty and excess weight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OH FUCK I thought you targeted me.

This is even worse LLD.

If this isn't a reaction test then you are getting yeeted today. I'll 1v1 you into the fucking ground.

Good luck, scumbag.

I'd be voting you already but the vote count is gonna reset, so...

I'll save my energy.

If you're town then you utterly suck.

You take every ounce of respect I've ever had for you and flush it.

Unbelievable.

I need your respect like I need chocolate cake.

It'd be nice to have, but in the end it's just empty and excess weight.

You don't exist to me. Bye.

Pretty harsh for a mafia game.

Man if you weren't scum I'd be pretty worried you were genuinely upset.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If ur not gonna have that chocolate cake LLD give it over here

All yours. Apparently I'm persona non grata here.

For reading her and her friend

as scum

in a mafia game

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It’s hard to take other threads reads seriously when half of what they do is call our thread a dumpster fire tbh

Welcome to why I'm doing this nonsense.

I mean it's obvious Cabd and Ceph are town now. I mean look at that cognitive dissonance from their reactions.

Cabd sudden fear and leaning harder into his code?

Ceph lolcatting at me and knowing me too well?

I mean that shit was just... so town. So good.

And Deacon's reaction? Over reaction, perhaps?

Personal attacks on me. Anger. Denial. I mean this is the "i'm fucked need to get defensive" shit all in one.

She thought she was the one shot first and got all defeatist and hopeful it's fake

and then she noticed she wasn't the one shot and BOOM

ON THE OFFENSIVE TO AVOID A VOTE.

It's scum. It's scum forever.

Good thing Dandelion is gonna live through this to guide us to the promised land, eh?

UNVOTE: Deacon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So yeah

Cabd hydra town.

Ffery hydra scum (and pretty hostile, honestly. Really? Come on now.)

And the other thread can fucking stuff it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm leaving you info in a place that will find you before my stump does, deacon, assuming we are awaiting the cakey face.

I trust the messenger with my thoughts. You may as well.

Thanks.

I don't want to believe LLD is town because I don't want to just dealwithit if you flip.

I wish she'd targeted me first.

Oh please.

The opera is over, you can stop the wailing now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What did flavor think of deacon

Lemme go check.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

g then changing their read on me once they remembered I'm April makes sense coming from town. Scum didn't have to change that. It's actually the most connected comment I think I've had with Midway.

Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd) - Nothing's stood out negatively for me. I liked what I saw and seemed genuine. Not m

Deacon red, Dandelion Blue.

so yeah, about where I am at.

Actually no, Dandelion is up in green with you and Owl rn.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fucks sakes quotes

just click on the post apparently i fucked up >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey so Deacon if you can read this I'm p. sure you're using the illegal thread ignore function rn so you should probably quote this post to ensure I'm wrong yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey so Deacon if you can read this I'm p. sure you're using the illegal thread ignore function rn so you should probably quote this post to ensure I'm wrong yeah?

I can read it.

Good to know.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

christ, can we back this whole convo up please? LLD if you don't want to engage ffery engage me: what reads of ours did you not like or thought were fabricated?

lld, fire: we're town, we strongly believe cabd is also town; there were conversations that happened in there last night that i really don't think come from that slot as scum.

@cabd I would personally like to increase the level of transparency and maybe drop all the fucking codes and shit cause clearly people are sick of it

-b

I mean, I'm kind of done interacting with Ffery in a meaningful way when she decided that my reading your slot as scum and doign a gambit to get a better sense of Cabd's slot was somehow a personal affront deserving of, and I quote

losing all respect and being dead to her.

So yeah I'm kind of ready to go full Fate mode and just turbo drive your execution. I'm really hurt and pissed off by that and don't got a lot of spoons left so.

We agree Cabd is town at least.

But your slot is not.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm really hurt and pissed off by that and don't got a lot of spoons left so.

I get it. I'm not begrudging that reaction

But your slot is not.

I'm trying to tell you that we are. Can you please engage me a little about reads that aren't us?

-b

Sure. Which reads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe I just don’t like not being in loop. But I have no idea why we put them in that room with Imperium. I didn’t townread them there. I don’t see how they earned a leadership role in this town. But both cabd and deacon are eluding to shit won’t talk about and I have high suspects one is manipulating other. And I know there’s hidden stuff not being disclosed and I don’t like it

Yes, it's irritating as anything

I kinda think lld is scum

I'm kinda too pissed off to have this conversation properly, but can you explain your read on me in more detail?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If u wanna continue this later and/or tom that's fine

But i feel like a lot of what you're doing/saying is over-the-top in a fake sort of way

The key event that felt like that to me was your interaction with superbowl waaaaaaaaaaay in the beginning of the game; your reason for pushing him didnt entirely feel real. At the very least i'm very, very confident that interaction wasnt svs, and i'm less confident but i also didnt really vibe tvt, and i'm townreading him.

And this loop thing also sort of feels like that to me

I mean the shot was fake and it wasn't intended for you to feel as if it was real.

The point was the reactions generated from Deacon's slot and Dandelion's slot.

So I understand why that feels over the top and fake, but that was kind of the point. It was real for them, not for you.

Now, the emotional response I'm having to what Deacon said I can assure you is very real and I assume you're not talking about that but if you are this is your liek, one notice that I am an emotional person and player and this is how I play and like, if you don't think that's real that's fine I'm not gonna convince you but there's enough evidence you should be able to find that.

The superbowl thing is not mine. More or less, what happened there was I had a scumread on the slot and they poked me in a weird and hard way, yeah? so I was like, kay, lemme try and play up to this, get a read on them. It wasn't meant for others, just for me to get a read on that slot. I do a lot of moves in this game for others to see things and spread info, but sometimes, especially early, I'm just looking to solidify my OWN reads.

By the end of that interaction I was sold Superbowl was more likely town than not, and kept an eye on him to make sure it wasn't a one time wonder and he would go back to beign scummy.

He didn't and kept being townie, so I flipped by read. Read progression like that is important.

So, like, I don't wanna be that girl who is like "this is my playstyle you don't know me" but there is a lot of how I play in big acts of emotion and big posts and flashy things... and using the denoument, the results of those actions, to develop my reads.

Maybe you're reading the kind of forced nature of me creating those opportunities or the theatricality of it that is kind of necessary, cause you need to sort of play a part to create the reactions you're looking for, then settle back to normal to kind of... parse them. Right?

Maybe that's what you're reading?

That's all I can tell you about the hows and whys of what I've done this game to generate reads. It's always poking the bear with the stick and seeing what comes of it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD

{skitter, pooky, gamma, midway bear}

w/o getting into other thread

Let's start w/ these:

I think pooky is scum for reasons that i went into earlier today; I still pretty much think that.

I went into today thinking skitter was scum - I don't like just her role even existing and I am townreading people that might be foils to that role, but honestly every time I interact w/ her she ends up changing my mind (e.g initially I thought 4209 seemed overly simplified and flat but I think she explained the thought process pretty well; I think w/o being a full blown watcher I'd probably be townreading skitter pretty hard

ffery thinks gamma is scum, and I did early on but I'm kinda lost, I think some posts like 4178 seem like pretty proper town paranoia to me

what about peta? he's seemed pretty good overall and I was kind of taken by surprise by HP's indictment of them in the other thread.

midway has seemed town to me mostly until his jump on FL, but I think the way he is engaging you on us seems town to me

Let's start here and I realize these are kinda some broad strokes; I'm trying to reassess/reread some stuff in the meantime

-b

Pooky scum because this is pooky scum, it's not close. Pooky ain't got my back.

Gamma scum. That post where they voted Dandelion was fucking awful. Huge opportunism.

Midway scum for a lot of their progressions on people, but that convo I had with them is making me :thinking emoji: so I'm gonna pause on them for the moment.

I'm not touching skitter atm. I need to read them better, hence the current interaction I'm forcing with them right now. I'm not gonna vote someone based on pure role reasons, so if I vote there it'll be because I find something scummy.

Peta probably town. Not changing that mind, not today at least.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok lemme reread the superbowl interaction with that in mind, give me a sec

Also how are you reading titus btw @lld?

Titus is town because 1) Sirius was obvious town and 2) the response she gave to me being emotional about how she interacts with me was both level headed and not intended to get me to read her better. No backing off, just easing the gas pedal.

Titus super town for how she's been handling me and also her replaced slot.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pooky scum because this is pooky scum, it's not close. Pooky ain't got my back.

Gamma scum. That post where they voted Dandelion was fucking awful. Huge opportunism.

Midway scum for a lot of their progressions on people, but that convo I had with them is making me :thinking emoji: so I'm gonna pause on them for the moment.

I'm not touching skitter atm. I need to read them better, hence the current interaction I'm forcing with them right now. I'm not gonna vote someone based on pure role reasons, so if I vote there it'll be because I find something scummy.

Peta probably town. Not changing that mind, not today at least.

I don't mind any of these takes although I'm curious as to what seems particularly opportunistic about the gamma vote? who else was going there at the time?

-b

opportunism doesn't only require the opportunity to be a mislim.

It can also be for free credit and a place to hunker down.

I see opportunism in the "hey here's a free reason to vote someone who will never die with a decent defense as to why I am doing it let me settle here and not worry about it too much".

that's opportunistic voting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to turnstile Pooky and yeet Gamma.

Is that a reasonable action? assumign the other thread will yeet pooky

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well i can understand why you might find that playstyle to be unsatisfying and frustrating ... but why are you reverting to that playstyle again today?

I think proximity to LLD brings out impulses in me from the old days.

I feel different when she is around - she is probably one of the few on the site who remembers what old me was like.

I miss old me. I guess I want to feel younger again?

Pooky got my back.

Even if my teddy bear is Euro Scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

the one thing I don't get about Pooky is

if Pooky is scum, why did pooky come into this thread and turbo nuke a player like FL out of it.

Like, consider that Pooky got traction either way, so we have three facts to consider

1) FL saccing himself meant Pooky didn't need to go that hard
2) Pooky going that hard is weird on its own cause he probably gets the FL elimination either way
3) This thread was approaching a Midwaybear/Skitter elimination yesterday, so if Pooky is scum, why derail a vote for another vote?

So to me, I'm kind of in a weird spot where I feel like one of if not both Skitter and Midway need to be scum for Pooky to kinda do the sui dive and make us reconsider them.

But that doesn't make sense either.

Like none of what pooky did yesterday makes sense for scum entering this thread to do, but also, he just killed an obvious townie and his posts in the other thread were god awful.

So I'm fucking stuck, cause pooky is uber fucking scum but also HOW. Like HOW did this happen.

And how did our town leaders LET this happen

That's what's got me taking shots at power in this thread you know? We have town leaders who supposedly are in control and yet they let obv town FL die and are now lambasting Pooky for it?

I'm honestly kind of lost and I just wanna trust my gut and shank pooky!scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Someone talk to me about that post above and my logic cause i'm honestly super lost on wtf scum pooky's motivation is and I'm a huge motivation based player

[Lady Lambdadelta]

3) This thread was approaching a Midwaybear/Skitter elimination yesterday, so if Pooky is scum, why derail a vote for another vote?

for like the third time, i'm not sure this is actually accurate

I promise you one of you was dying yesterday vis a vis apathy in the town.

Probably you.

I've been playing this game long enough... too long, honestly.

I can almost always tell. I'm very certain of that. Pooky was an anomaly.

For me, I wanted it to be midway yesterday, but I think I just didn't have the leverage to be the one in control.

Like, I don't know who you think would have been the replacement?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We have town leaders who supposedly are in control and yet they let obv town FL die and are now lambasting Pooky for it?

are you considering us in this list or are we still scum to you?
If it's the former I'm not lambasting pooky because he pushed hard on a townie, I am because of the way he did it and just not a fan of his approach today in particular: I feel like there's a lot of stuff he could be doing here if town that's well between rolling over and acting like he did yesterday

-b

My read on you is irrelevant due to the lack of leverage yesterday. I'm speaking from a observer's perspective. Observationally, you, dandelion, fb and Owl had the best town status in the game and were easily in control. Any of you putting your foot down probably slows the wagon and stalls it to stop. Maybe it takes two.

So why did FL die? that's the question

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look, Skitter, it doesn't do you more justice to sit here and argue "no it's not true I could have saved myself, honest!"

If the question is "did Pooky try to save you" that's a different story, and one I'm trying to get to the bottom of.

But we need to start with the fact that your head was on the chopping block and close to dead. And more pushback against this fact just makes it seem like you are not trying to argue your position from good faith but rather to discredit the reliably true premise of the argument, which isn't great.

In general, I just want to get to the bottom of what motivation came here, and also not make this a waste of a day where we just lol kill pooky.

cause if pooky is town, we lose the game on that move

but if pooky is scum, we still aren't in a great spot if no new evidence and information and interactions are created.

So this conversation needs to progress and to progress I need you to start working with me.

The truth of the matter is, you were on the chopping block and slated to die next to Midway. One of you was gonna die and Pooky took control of town apathy and inverted the apathy, causing pressure on FL who then folded and conceded his own death, to which none of our town leaders lifted a finger.

So why did pooky do this, why did no one stop it, and where does it leave us?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I didn't get a huge footprint from you in the other thread and had essentially no read on you prior to the end of yesterday so no, not really; I am wondering if you caught anything else of use that isn't related to anyone's direct read on you from yesterday or today though

-b

look at Peta's posts while I push FL and tell me what you think of them.

i was pretty clearly on the record as wanting to get the day over with and was already wrongly suspecting FL. i hadn't really anticipated him self-hammering and ending the day early, though.

We have town leaders who supposedly are in control and yet they let obv town FL die and are now lambasting Pooky for it?

are you considering us in this list or are we still scum to you?
If it's the former I'm not lambasting pooky because he pushed hard on a townie, I am because of the way he did it and just not a fan of his approach today in particular: I feel like there's a lot of stuff he could be doing here if town that's well between rolling over and acting like he did yesterday

-b

My read on you is irrelevant due to the lack of leverage yesterday. I'm speaking from a observer's perspective. Observationally, you, dandelion, fb and Owl had the best town status in the game and were easily in control. Any of you putting your foot down probably slows the wagon and stalls it to stop. Maybe it takes two.

So why did FL die? that's the question

sb9 wanted him dead and firebringer didn't oppose it, deacon and dandelion weren't even around during the whole fiasco, iirc

3/10

Yeah, SB9 wanting him dead is a ??? but also probably just town.

FB didn't oppose but thst's kind of FB.

Issue is, Peta, Dea and Dan were around for the the "fiasco" because it lasted longer than like, a day you know? So they had to have seen it happening. Deacon themselves admitted thye had no strong feelings and let it happen in a post a few pages ago.

So I don't really think this is as dismissive as you're making it sound?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FB didn't oppose but thst's kind of FB.

feels like ur giving me easy outs

Because every other time I remember us being town together, I look at the way you do shit, get a twitch and start wanting to murder you.

I found you as town earlier.

So please read that more as "Fb did a weird bad and I'm paranoid but nope nope found as town earlier not doing this"

as opposed to giving you a pass.

Maybe I am giving you a pass? It's more of a "I'm not re-evaluating that until I need to" kind of town read.

Plus I have some faith in FL.

So yeah.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD, You can look at pisskop elim too.

Who do you think we should eliminate?

Currently I'm not voting because I want to ensure nothing quick happens today. I wanna grind this out to get value.

It makes me want to push non-pooky things to ensure we get what we need to progress.

But currently? I wanna kill Pooky most of all. I wanted to kill pooky yesterday. I voted pooky when he came in the thread. I will still vote and hammer pooky today without hesitation.

Pisskop... dude I have no read on that slot. totally under my radar, gotta get something on that apparently.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Last major ovaltine decoder wheel from me before I start putting cards on the table.


Annie: Regarding that league shoutcaster you wanted me to look into. I've watched like 50 of his games so far and you were right. He's so SO much better than the randoms they had shoutcasting the junior leagues before. Shame the entire league is shaking up this year.

D O N T F O R G E T T O D R I N K Y O U R A R S E N I C

[Lady Lambdadelta]

we should definitely eliminate the riddler

Crypto?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

we should definitely eliminate the riddler

Crypto?

he'd be very annoyed you compared him to riddler

good

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you mean the super best friends club isn't all town???

I mean no, Deacon probably scum, but I don't think it makes pooky town tho

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you mean the super best friends club isn't all town???

I mean no, Deacon probably scum, but I don't think it makes pooky town tho

i meant the other thread

oh worm.

yeh sorry I thought you were responding to this thread

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lethargic game state = scum are not under any threat. need to wake up before tomm. if we open d3/5 with 8 green dead it will be pretty hard to turn things around

this equivilance when the past 72 hours have been the 24th, 25th and 26th of December....

Not a great look.

Like why is it when you are given infinite space you just keep digging the hole deeper.

Even you as scum surely knows this is not a strategy that escapes death....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't understand how people in the other thread are like, FFERY HYDRA SO TOWNIE, IF ANY OF THEM ARE SCUM IT'S CABD HYDRA.

Like listen here mother fuckers.

Did you even read the Ceph/Cabd hydra dissonance during my fake shot on their slot?

That shit is like accidentally posting your role PM levels of "oops I'm town."

I am hugely suspect of anyone who says "oh yes if there is one scum in Deacon/Dandelion it's Dandelion".

HUGELY.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lld that wasn't a scum post really

I mean that's my fucking concern.

Cause like, he's obviously wrong. The reason the thread is dead is not because the scum are super comfortable, it's obviously because it's fucking Christmas.

And my first instinct is 'oh okay he's scum using this for narrative reasons" but then I thikn about it more and I go "isn't pooky better than this at scum?"

I've been scum with Pooky. A long time ago, sure, but I have. Pooky has always had some kind of preternatural sense for what is a good thing to say and has looked good.

I don't know if he's like, the same bear as back then but I have to believe scum pooky knows better than to say this line when he's on death's door?

Or am I being triple WIFOM mindgamed?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

pooky might be scum for a lot of reasons but i don't think that was inherently a scum post. i think that yes, it's christmas weekend, but at the same time, there are forces at play creating apathy in this thread

Talk to me about apathy in this game thread.

Cause I've been trying to solve my own apathy with this game and I've been pretty clear I'm playing the "speak truth to power don't give a shit" role this game.

So I have my own interpretations of where I think the apathy is being caused. I can name a few names.

But I want to hear your thoughts on this matter.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabds a stronger scum player than ffery. Sus me for saying it all you want but multiple people can back me up on that. I’m not saying he’s scum though, I’m saying they’re both town. IF one is scum it would be Cabd. But I think it’s not the case.

Is that all you have for this? That Cabd > Ffery as scum, and so in a pair of hydras, if they both look town (they don't IMO, but we'll ignore that for the moment) then Cabd is the more likely to be scum?

Do you have any other reason to believe it is more likely (well, you say they are both town, so a bit of a weird question I guess) that Cabd is scum than Ffery?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i mean i just said it like six times in the past page, and multiple times over the past few days: this whole plan to remove scum from the other thread is, and always has been, a fools errand. and it created apathy here because we basically put the breaks on everything for like half a week until they decided who they wanted to turnstile, and this thread wasn't supposed to do anything until that happened, apparently

like this is all very obvious to me so i'm kinda baffled how more people don't see it (not saying you specifically)

remind me who your scumreads are again? deacon and

Deacon, Pooky, Midwaybear are my top 3 rn.

Getting really confused by Pooky rn, so I'm still parsing that shit.

Pisskop needs to stop prod dodge posting or I'll kill him on policy.

Not killing you dandelion today.

Peta is town IMO.

FB is town IMO.

Am I missing anyone?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh yeah.

Gamma scum.

Superbowl town.

I've got nothing on S_S. Like ltierally in my blidnspot I should go read that slot.

And Almost50 is in our thread now? uhhhh gotta read him too

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lld your reads feel p different than mine but i'm not sure that scum!you has those reads

why wouldn't she?

3/10

echoing this question

[Lady Lambdadelta]

those reads don't really track with people i'd expect to be using apathy as a scum tool

i'm not sure how cabd and ceph having different reactions to a fake dayvig makes them town? like those would be their reactions regardless of alignment i'd think (not that i really suspect them anyway, but that's because of other things)

midwaybear has the occasional sketchy post but then says something that looks okay. maybe it's because he's not feeling pressure, i don't know. he can make posts that seem scummy as town but hasn't been stiff as a board so don't really want to kill him

my options have been kill pooky or sheep cabd because that's usually a good idea

2/10

who do you think would be/is using apathy as a scum tool here then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lld your reads feel p different than mine but i'm not sure that scum!you has those reads

why wouldn't she?

3/10

they're not useful 'reads' to have - they're counter enough to most of what the thread is thinking that if she'd try to actualize a flip on one of those people she'd have a hard time

Wouldn't that be ideal for where I'd want to be if I was scum?

Like, pushing on reads that are counter to the thread logic so none of my reads ever actually flip but I get to take shots for free and make content forever?

Like, I don't really get why THAT is why you think I'm town.

Now, mind you, I'd love to be given the opportunity to flip some of my fucking reads and prove I am town, but no the position you described sounds kind of perfect for a scum person to be in.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HP suddenly coming on strong in the other thread to settle in on a person who isn't dying today is a similar position btw.

Like HP calling me scum the way they are there is super scummy because I'm not dying today, they're not in my thread to vote me, and there's not a lot of value in the statement. Emtpy calories that look like hard hitting comments.

Infact, does HP even have strong reads from their own thread? They seem to be hitting Skitter and I up a lot there and that thread is p. stalled for a thread with so few people and scum to find.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

those reads don't really track with people i'd expect to be using apathy as a scum tool

i'm not sure how cabd and ceph having different reactions to a fake dayvig makes them town? like those would be their reactions regardless of alignment i'd think (not that i really suspect them anyway, but that's because of other things)

midwaybear has the occasional sketchy post but then says something that looks okay. maybe it's because he's not feeling pressure, i don't know. he can make posts that seem scummy as town but hasn't been stiff as a board so don't really want to kill him

my options have been kill pooky or sheep cabd because that's usually a good idea

2/10

who do you think would be/is using apathy as a scum tool here then?

i don't know, i haven't been thinking of the game that way, the answer was just "not midwaybear or fferybork", at least not intentionally. i guess not out of the realm of possibility that they'd go with the flow in the sort of situation we're in, but like...you and cabd are the two people i've seen talk about using that as an actual tactic, lol

lld your reads feel p different than mine but i'm not sure that scum!you has those reads

why wouldn't she?

3/10

they're not useful 'reads' to have - they're counter enough to most of what the thread is thinking that if she'd try to actualize a flip on one of those people she'd have a hard time

i, uh...do you think lld would avoid having contrarian reads as scum? because there's an obvious benefit to that sort of thing if the town is on the wrong track anyway

I mean yeah I wrote a whole article on how to do it, but also I think you can make a strong argument I've been the perpetuator of the opposite of apathy in this thread tbqh.

Also, yeah, no I don't get that logic either. I would in a heart beat select a single person who looks scummy enoguh to push endlessly and townie enough not to die and just death tunnel them to day 5, then flip on them.

Which is why I find people who find my scumread on Deacon weird, weird. Deacon is not easy to push at, is not somethign you can get good towncred from doing, and in HP's own words "is blinding town" to a lot of players.

I don't see that, so I'm pushing it, but pushing it is giving me no credit or survivability, let me tell you.

Which is why I am having real doubts about HP.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bell if you really think I try to talk a tvt down day 1 past an ic as scum you have a very optimistic sense of my scumrange. I thank you for the compliment. Like I know tmi is a thing but the idea I push back against shelly scum in the manner I did as scum white knighting town, while also being right about boon, is suggesting you think I am playing to be a deepwolf when I think literally everything else about my play strongly suggests that is not something that happens in the real world. Like I appreciate the paranoia, I take it as a compliment, but the actually hard thing is sorting muffin/gx more confidently. please help lol. Or convincing me I'm wrong on brian somehow even though I have no actual interest in second-guessing that read atm

Like brian is nearly consensus poe, I say I have him as hard town and he gets worried I'm buddying him. How does brian stay in this thread after d3 as scum if he refuses to take a single townread? His reaction to my towncase is as town as my other reasons for towning him. What do people dislike about his play?

-E

Like look at this post.

How can this hydra be so confident and powerful about our thread and shit, but then turn around and go "oh please help me sort these reads over here I'm ever so helpless and confused."

Like this feels like a huge fucking act to maintain distance from whatever vote happens over there today.

Which makes me think Muffin ANd Gypyx are town, tbh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HP suddenly coming on strong in the other thread to settle in on a person who isn't dying today is a similar position btw.

Like HP calling me scum the way they are there is super scummy because I'm not dying today, they're not in my thread to vote me, and there's not a lot of value in the statement. Emtpy calories that look like hard hitting comments.

Infact, does HP even have strong reads from their own thread? They seem to be hitting Skitter and I up a lot there and that thread is p. stalled for a thread with so few people and scum to find.

afaik they have actively shaded me, you, skitter, sb9, ceph, probably a few other people as well

i feel like she'd be trying more to set up useful flips and those reads don't really help with that

she could probably set up those flips, i don't find this reasoning useful but don't know that we get anything further out of continuing to argue it

5/10

Yeah it sure sounds like HP's whole thing this game is hard reads on the opposite thread, soft reads on their own thread.

And that's a scum strategy. 1000000%.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hi a50

I was gonna say "what do you think of my read list?" and I went back to quote it... only.. it doesn't exist!

I basically thought I had amended it to 4979, but I either did in a different window that I accidentally closed (one of the, windows I opened to quote the posts I did), or I did it in my word file and then didn't copy & paste.

Anyway, it looked something like:

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Petapan
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)

skitter30
Firebringer
PookyTheMagicalBear
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)

superbowl9
midwaybear
Something_Smart
Pisskop*
Lady Lambdadelta

And I remember noting that it was mostly hearsay (i.e. based on Brian & Annie's reads) with the exception of my own read on skitter.

Obviously I didn't factor in Tammy/Nacho's reads either, so maybe bump up superbowl/midwaybear a little. I also recall myself thinking (and typing) that I thought it weird neither of Brian/Annie made a mention of midwaybear

I finally asked EVERYONE to tell me why <insert player name> should've been placed higher/lower

K, you're scum.

Anyone who wants to test me and my reads today, wanna kill this scumbag?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote: A50

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yo Peta.

Wanna come kill A50 with me today?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause that reads list sounds like they took the 3 town leaders, shoved them at the top, then randomized a bunch of people and put them places based on Nacho/Tammy reads influence.

Like why is Pooky that high. Why is Superbowl that low. Why am I bottom when he's said 0 words about me all game?

It's fucking fabricated garbage.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Petapan
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)

skitter30
Firebringer
PookyTheMagicalBear
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)

superbowl9
midwaybear
Something_Smart
Pisskop*
Lady Lambdadelta

superbowl should be a lot higher
dandelion wine should probably be in the tier below
not sure lld should be that low either

otherwise it's roguhly where i'm at

How are you okay with Pooky 1 step below Firebringer.

I know you're coming around on Pooky but

How are these reads remotely rational to you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If it's not ordered by tiers it's still bad because Pooky > Superbowl and Peta>Firebringer.

But it seemed ordered? IDK. Reads still feel really fabricated and out of fucking nowhere.

I wanna kill that slot.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bell if you really think I try to talk a tvt down day 1 past an ic as scum you have a very optimistic sense of my scumrange. I thank you for the compliment. Like I know tmi is a thing but the idea I push back against shelly scum in the manner I did as scum white knighting town, while also being right about boon, is suggesting you think I am playing to be a deepwolf when I think literally everything else about my play strongly suggests that is not something that happens in the real world. Like I appreciate the paranoia, I take it as a compliment, but the actually hard thing is sorting muffin/gx more confidently. please help lol. Or convincing me I'm wrong on brian somehow even though I have no actual interest in second-guessing that read atm

Like brian is nearly consensus poe, I say I have him as hard town and he gets worried I'm buddying him. How does brian stay in this thread after d3 as scum if he refuses to take a single townread? His reaction to my towncase is as town as my other reasons for towning him. What do people dislike about his play?

-E

Like look at this post.

How can this hydra be so confident and powerful about our thread and shit, but then turn around and go "oh please help me sort these reads over here I'm ever so helpless and confused."

Like this feels like a huge fucking act to maintain distance from whatever vote happens over there today.

Which makes me think Muffin ANd Gypyx are town, tbh.

Nacho wasn't exactly 100% on Muffin, but this is where his reads were at (agreeing with Cabd's tiers) on N1.

I'd like to see other thread kill Brian or HP today. Ignore Nacho/Tammy whatever. Where are you on other thread and where are you on THIS thread?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yo Peta.

Wanna come kill A50 with me today?

i'm not used to you not wanting to rip my head off

Well for one, you're town. or at least town enough I'm not reevaluating you at all today or tomorrow.

For another, different girl, different day. Welcome to DID. You might get angry bird Lexi tomorrow. Today, you get to deal with me.

How about murdering A50?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD: WOW! Just wow.

Yo Peta.

How about murdering A50 now?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dunn I swear to god.

Titus is town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dunn I swear to god.

Titus is town.

I don't agree with most of your reads, it seems

Super wish I was actually in your thread so talking about this was easier and more meaningful.

Explain to me Brian town, Titus scum, A50 town.

And any other reads you disagree with me with.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

At this point I am convinced HP just has things prewritten without actually reading shit.

Like if anyone really thought HP went into that interaction looking for things instead of just going "lul LLD scum" you are deluding yourself.

Also, what is happening with Bell in that thread bell looks so town...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AE the dayvig was intended to shake the town and get me some reads on things. I know you hate the ffery scum read but I also don't really care. I don't have enough sway to kill her rn anyway and I just want to keep hammering it for later so people arent just blind to it all game.

I'm not sure why you hate that so much.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

unvote: S_S

[Lady Lambdadelta]

glad i didn't have to ask you

Who me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It seems like Titus scumreads Brian and Brian scumreads Titus.

Instead of cyclular stuff I would like everyone in the other thread to decide now

Who would you rather lim today?

Titus
Brian
Or
Neither, both too townie.

I want answers someone beam me over.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

God S_S needs to die

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That you need to die?

10s across the board.

Category is: scummy posting

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How confident are you?

Please don't exaggerate.

Very well.
UNVOTE: LLD

i'm never confident lmao
i can't just sit on my hands until the end of time so i go with my best guess

Would it help if I made a readlist?

lol come on how you gonna make it this easy bruv

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Victim blaming is... Not an okay word to use in this setting or circumstance and I am gonna...dip for a bit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because it's weak and stale, and it's partially based on taking what you and LLD have said on them into account. I doubt that I would be able to contribute much to a discussion about them, doubly so if it were with LLD.

Based on... what Cabd... has said about them?

Is this mask of admitting to not reading the thread?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNVOTE: Something_Smart

Why?

time to start playing 2010-2012 mafia.

Why me fry me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Brian

Titus looks bad going after you, but I think the way she goes about her claim is towny.

I think there's 1 scum max within [Titus, Something_Scummy]

I think Something_Scummy has looked bad. I think they're scum, implying Titus town

yo we agree on reads rn?

FeelsGoodMan

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why me fry me

How many examples of me asking that question as town would it take to change your mind here?

only if it also never happened as scum

much harder to prove, easy to setup meta wise etc

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah okay so like

[Lady Lambdadelta]

today has sucked and i've had a lot of ptsd shit

but i'mma break it all down for everyone

i don't think anyone can reasonably say they know what pisskop will flip cause there has been enough pushback to the wagon that it's possible that's town not wantign to do a bad or scum using that narrative to save the slot until it can be replaced.

but that's the thing. i think killing pisskop might reveal some inner workings, depending on pisskop's alignment.

and pisskop really isn't just "oh look probably town cause scum want that"

cause today in this thread we have had a pooky, ss, midway and other wagons shoot up and down.

so it's not like we're barren for people to lim.

so yeah i'm gonna set pisskop to l-1 because i think ther'es a good chance the slot is scum even if there's exactly 0 content coming from it. and even if they're not mafia... the slot is still scum, tbh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

quick check to make sure i'm not accidentally hammering the dude....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yup superbowl put them to l-1 and skitter unvoted them

okay

unvote:pisskop

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm playing you off each other because I'm hoping that Cabd is town and will change his mind by pointing to FF correctly managing to change her mind about this given my posts this game.

I am way the fuck out of my scum meta range and I don't want to start pushing back at Cabd just because he's misreading me. No matter how many posts I make. Yes, I know it's kind of obnoxious so I'm saying what I'm internally managing emotionally.
Rather, I'm thought sharing. Or being an open book, or whatever regardless of whether the thought seems townie or not. Though I am being a little distracting.

I do not disagree that some of my posts seemed like crumbs, when they weren't btw. I was just stating which ones were intended to be crumbs and which weren't because I'm a sucker for reality and keep hoping against hope that if I just present reality infront of somebody, eventually, they'll get it.

@Zmuffin, I was referring to my doc claim and am I scum, am I not scum positioning on me in relation to Annie's question. Just because peer pressure to get on the Bell was actually town peer pressure wagon has come in doesn't mean they don't stop having doubts. Or even should stop having doubts.

People think a townie wrote this?

dude....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i still do want to be turnstiled
i didn't really push it sod cuz it wasn't gonna happen then, but now there might be some room so i'm going right back to it

you chill being turnstyled tomorrow?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Skitter, wanting to be turnstyled today is WeirdChamp from me. I know the "kill all scum on one side" is a trap, but we're committed so we shouldn't be turnstyling people out of this thread rn.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i mean it's not gonna happen, doesn't mean i can't want it to anyways

I mean, the question I have is, with them already having done Titus today, right?

What is the FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE between you going over today and tomorrow?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YO SUDDEN THOUGHT.

we could turnstyle SS and lim someone else.

And kill 2 people today.

so if our lim is going to be SS, we should always turnstyle SS into death and THEN lim someone.

Otherwise, we shouldn't turnstyle, obv.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unless Titus is lying about her lover stuff with S_S?

is that likely?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

great question for a mod

Mod: can we turnstyle someone after they have had a lim-vote, but before we lim-vote?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YO SUDDEN THOUGHT.

we could turnstyle SS and lim someone else.

And kill 2 people today.

so if our lim is going to be SS, we should always turnstyle SS into death and THEN lim someone.

Otherwise, we shouldn't turnstyle, obv.

i feel like he has no incentive to agree to that regardless of alignment

do you have to agree for a turnstyle?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

mod confirmation it works.

so here's the townie test, honestly

if SS is a townie and we want to lim SS today, SS should agree to let us turnstyle them over to die as titus lover, to give us bonus elimination on this side today.

If SS is not a townie, they won't agree and we can just lim them anyway?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

or rather, mod confirmation the turnstyle works.

no idea about the lover stuff tbh