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VOTE: Norfolk

13 pings.

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Hayker might be scum too.

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I didn't realize I signed up for the history of millers 101. It's boring.

Can my scumreads OMGUS so we can get started?

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VOTE: Norfolk

13 pings.

Hayker might be scum too.

Maybe NorwegianboyEE too unsure there

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@Gamma, Why?

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VOTE: Hayker

Chkflip, I'd love to get together sometime. PM me with your schedule and we'll work it out.

@EE, *glares*

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NPOM is unreadable. If any investigative role out there wants to check them tonight, don’t let me stop you.

Are you crumbing RB?

*puke*

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VOTE: cheeky teeky

Town

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I'm against the Mini wagon. I see no reason for it while I can't get a single vote on actual scummy people because after I call them out, they leave the thread.

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The Mini wagon seems decent in general actually. Norwegian is the only one I'm not particularly getting town vibes from.

No strong reactions to the Mini wagon makes me feel they could be town.
I don't really have a strong read on them otherwise.

VOTE: Rannygazoo

Hmmm

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VOTE: cheeky teeky

Town

Because of who I'm voting, or because I jumped off the wagon, or are you calling cheeky town? I have a good reason to suspect cheeky.

I am calling you town. I think the way you voted cheeky is town. I have angleshooty reasons to think cheeky may be scum here. But they're angleshooty so I am waiting to see on cheeky.

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Don't nobody ever push Mama.

I'm against the Mini wagon. I see no reason for it while I can't get a single vote on actual scummy people because after I call them out, they leave the thread.

Which instance of you voting are you stating you've applied enough pressure to make that person so uneasy they stopped posting in thread?

You don't just get to cram words together because they sound good, lawyer, I need the evidence. WHERE ARE THE EXHIBITS!?

Duty, breach of duty, causation and damages.

Duty to post and be readable and/or scumhunt
Breach of duty - Absence of scumhunting or responding to pressure
Causation - The absence causes the damages below
Damages - Inability to read the slot to determine motivation.

I have angleshooty reasons to think cheeky may be scum here. But they're angleshooty so I am waiting to see on cheeky.

Go shoot someone else's angles! Nah seriously, I'd like to hear this.

Vax, you voted me before I even entered, I smell bs.

Samantha just finished rolling scum in Booneytunes. She peaced out rather than play scum again. #angleshoot

This is all you have to say about the game so far plus?

I'm a slow starter
my rvs is probably VOTE: titus, they always seem scummy to me for some reason. I even vigged them n1 last game.

Why RVS someone who you always suspect?

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Do you usually scumread town!Titus?

You'd be fairly hard pressed to find someone who doesn't. The defacto site meta is Titus is scum.

Yes. Unfortunately scummers from a certain era will always SR me. When I was a newbie, I went 6 and 0 in my first six scumgames outside the newbie queue.

Combine that with my logic being somewhat out there as town means I rarely have an obvtown gene.

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Oh hell no VOTE: nopoweroverme

Ok, yeah Cheeky is scum too. NPOM is pretty obvtown.

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Samantha just finished rolling scum in Booneytunes. She peaced out rather than play scum again. #angleshoot

What's angleshoot?

Using things like sub outs and mod comments to sort. We're not really supposed to do that.

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Titus angleshooting like that when sam also ditched mbos 10 as town is no bueno

I'm assuming that's an older game? I mean boontoons jsut ended.

Not that much older, but sam ditched that one mid game bc she didn't like a mod choice. She didn't see her PM and ditch out.

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VOTE: cheekyteeky

Sorry guys for the mass spam I don't have much time but that should be enough stirring until my return xx

This is a scum approach

Hmm i was think cheeky gamma was s v s but maybe not? Uncertain.

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The site meta is that roleblocker is a bone that the mods throw the scum team to "balance" the game. It's pretty useless for the scum when a game has trackers and PGOs but that how it rolls around here.

So naturally when I saw what looked like a roleblocker crumb, I was on it like white on rice.

Apparently noticing that makes me scum.

Where was this?

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NPOM is unreadable. If any investigative role out there wants to check them tonight, don’t let me stop you.

TITUS: This is the post I thought was a RB crumb.

I disagree on that being an RB crumb. I read it as an invest crumb myself if anything at all. Either that or just straight out asking for it.

As an RB, he couldn't determine who to block based on their results/target.

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I don't really like either of these posts:

This is all you have to say about the game so far plus?

I'm a slow starter
my rvs is probably VOTE: titus, they always seem scummy to me for some reason. I even vigged them n1 last game.

Last time we played, I could understand your POV. And you seemed more careful. Here you aren’t really being careful. I mean, you threw out a completely emotional reason to begin questioning my slot (based on literally faulty logic), and your focus seems overly narrow.

Whatever, just an early take. Some folks are already trying to sideline you by calling your approach superficial and what not. There’s probably something there, but you haven’t questioned it much.

andres putting more effort at the start here to make up for last game or because he's scum?

It seems a bit weird to make an RVS vote mid way through page 12, when they'd already posted during the actual RVS without voting anyone. It's like they are conscious that they're not doing anything and feel the need to pad the post out.

The second comment looks as though they just want to say something game related and found the safest possible comment they could make.

It's not a great deal, but it's how I could imagine a newer scum player would enter this game.

VOTE: PlusJoyed

Welcome to my townblock.

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Vaxkiller, DGB, NPOM, Lucas pretty town
Nero chkflip town for now

Feel good about this

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VOTE: Plus

I can compromise here.

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I am not sorry for making a mess in the post above. It was awesome and I would do it again.

VOTE: NB1

Either on a scum team with Binatog or trying hard to look like it.

Who is this vote for? Anyone can answer.

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I am not sorry for making a mess in the post above. It was awesome and I would do it again.

VOTE: NB1

Either on a scum team with Binatog or trying hard to look like it.

Who is this vote for? Anyone can answer.

You can’t honestly expect me to remember the difference between “Norfolk” and “Norwegian”. I’ll refer to them as NB1 and EE, unless a mod says they don’t understand my votes.

So it's Norfolk then by PoE. Got it.

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That's gotta be a first (I'm not counting fake townreading her like I did last time I rolled scum).

What wording was I supposed to use? Is there another way to say it? Also I'm French.

"Like last time I rolled scum" is the phrase in question. If I read it "Like last time I rolled scum" in a straight way, it somewhat implies you are currently scum. "like last time". If it read more "like last time, I rolled scum" then the meaning changes as the phrases are split. Im explaining this rather poorly though.

unvote

Oddly enough the more DGB posts the less I scumread them

This is still scum.

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I actually am null/lean scum on the quiet.

That being said...

Welcome.

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NPOM is unreadable. If any investigative role out there wants to check them tonight, don’t let me stop you.

TITUS: This is the post I thought was a RB crumb.

I disagree on that being an RB crumb. I read it as an invest crumb myself if anything at all. Either that or just straight out asking for it.

As an RB, he couldn't determine who to block based on their results/target.

What might I be asking for?

An investigation on NPOM.

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heybbmolla heybbmolla heybbmolla

hello

the Cheeky votes are boring

I kinda like the boring tell after our last game together (Guns and Roses).

If one of them flips scum, both are scum.

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Elaboration is for later. I haven't had my coffee. It's too easy day one.

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Me newbie, I’d guess.
Read over the existing wagons. I like cheaky’s least, and it’s not like we really get anything out of pushing on it if they’re away till the weekend. Save it for later and more posts imo.
Don’t like the mini wagon either.

I do like DGB’s and Joyads a lot more.

Between the two, DGB pinged me more, and I like the people on that wagon more, too. Posting off phone so quoting specifics is proving to be a pain, but I’m happy to elaborate. For now, I’m jumping on board.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrippingGoofball

This is scum.

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with cheeky? yeah i agree

I see that as possible.

My running theory

Is cheeky hawker gamma plus quiet

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Is cheeky hawker gamma plus quiet

Is this your batting order?

No particular order

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my problem with Molla is that him fakeclaiming miller is a bit

lamist

. by retracting his claim he saves himself from certain death. I kinda have the tinfoil that BB and npom were doing some gambit or something.

What is lamist againt? I keep thinking it should be "lamest."

Look at me i am so town = lamist

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Go ahead and swap Molla for quiet in my theory.

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So you follow Nero on molla, but not NPOM?

Nero, please tell me your molla/NPOM theory.

I see Molla as possible scum and have NPOM as town. I don't see why the two must be linked.

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This game needs an actual good push to get some good discussion going.

I've actually found this game to be quite refreshing so far, with decent discussion with minimal shit posting. Do you just not like any of the current wagons?

Actually i like this.
Competing wagons between Cheeky/Mini makes the game much easier for me to read in terms of finding scum.

It's easier for VCA.

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I'll swing back around to cheeky, but that last page from mini was bad.

Why would you swing back around? What does that mean?

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VC please

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I like my ice cream with flavor. Just saying.

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I like my ice cream with flavor. Just saying.

Do you like your leaves with flavor too?

I do.

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i am a doofus.

This chart is trash. As the resident old fart, meta is trash. Some people argue personality tells are meta. Personality tells are not trash.

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Voting people for being annoying is an easy way to obfuscate not actually scumhunting and is extremely anti-town

That's not mafia

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I want to vote it but I am not sure if it's spite or not.

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Lots of shiny wagons. I like this in the long term.

In the short term, I'm conflicted bc the people I don't think are town are agreeing with me.

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Lots of shiny wagons. I like this in the long term.

In the short term, I'm conflicted bc the people I don't think are town are agreeing with me.

And who might that be.

Norwat, Ranny, BBMolla

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Hayker is basically a newbie (based on their meta and play style), and generally newbies look scummy as either alignment. I’m willing to give him a little more leeway than PlusJOYED, given the context.

This makes little sense comparing join dates as BC comments.

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Lots of shiny wagons. I like this in the long term.

In the short term, I'm conflicted bc the people I don't think are town are agreeing with me.

And who might that be.

Norwat, Ranny, BBMolla

I didn’t realize I was your scumread, but I’m mostly curious what I said that you agree with.

Hawker vote

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I didn’t say meta necessarily supports PlusJOYED over Hayker, I said I’m willing to give Hayker more leeway as they’re basically a newbie.

Really reevaluating my Luca read.

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Ok, I missed NM claiming. What was it?

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Intent to vote Hawker but I don't want to accidentally hammer.

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It was an even night weak neighborizer claim and then a tracker crumb just afterwards.

Thank you.

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Hawker vote

Ok, I missed NM claiming. What was it?

Uh, this is pretty lazy. I voted Hawker because NM claimed and I was sheeping others to get off that wagon. I even said later that I don’t know what makes Hawker stand out from other lurkers. Is lazy the new Titus meta?

I scumread Hawker since go?

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VOTE: Hayker

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I'm ok with DK aka BC's block for now.

I'm also ok with not being in a townblock this early. After the start, I have been meh due to IRL. I have been catching up rather than making plays.

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I need to catch up to see where this Nero wagon came from.

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Nero you've done nothing but call NM trolling scum. Do you even have a comment about the Hayker wagon?

nm is just trolling scum and the claim isn't great either.

You got any other takes Master Cain? You’re starting to sound like a broken record.

Both town probably. That type of thought that close is not likely sheeping.

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like, I don't want to have to sit there and dodge accusations that im "lurking" for the rest of the game b/c I choose to watch football for a weekend as I will next weekend.

Luca is just scum.

I agree here.

Sheeping this Nero wagon is just what scum need to divert from Haywker.

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i could get down with a solve in luca. quiet, nm, bypasser and ranny.

I disagree with bypasser and ranny.

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His reads are lazy and terrible, Andres. He hasn't bothered with a proper catch-up at all. He's basically just throwing out OMGUS reads.

For a guy all about meta, you ignore the fact that not catching up is meta for some. Or at least it was.

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the reason nm isn't voting me while calling me scum is b/c there's already too many of his scumbuddies on my wagon and they don't want to bunch up..

I shall convert you into a wagonomics player.

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I just don't want to play and catchup and I don't think its great thing to put someone else into a widely scumread slot. I don't think my scumhunting will be missed. So just eliminate me.

You read a lot like me in MBoS 10 mate

Gamma wrong town

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like if bypass scum reads me fine but saying that I'm not hunting is so far from the truth. Its like they are stuck in the same stance and can't change.

He's town tunneling

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If you're town i would have to re-evaluate the entire game, and i'm not really willing to put in all my effort into that when i'm quite certain by your replies and reaction to being wagoned tells me i'm right.

Confbias

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If Hayker flips scum, that’s plenty to work with for day 2.

+1

I think scum are piggybacking on Norway and Gamma

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I honestly didn't see literally anyone vocally scumread you until i brought it up as an issue, so that's another bad faith argument to add on to the list.

This is a sign you're being scum sheeped rather than actual genuine thought.

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Whats your current solve Titus? NM. Luca, Hayker, Quiet?

That's a decent solve, yes.

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the reason nm isn't voting me while calling me scum is b/c there's already too many of his scumbuddies on my wagon and they don't want to bunch up..

I shall convert you into a wagonomics player.

Please don't use MU terms

Wagonomics is not a MU term. *grumbles*

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His reads are lazy and terrible, Andres. He hasn't bothered with a proper catch-up at all. He's basically just throwing out OMGUS reads.

For a guy all about meta, you ignore the fact that not catching up is meta for some. Or at least it was.

How do you feel about the fact that he's focusing solely on the weakest of the three meta reads on Nero?

Can you rephrase this? Your question is lost in the pronouns.

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Hayker was a pretty easy wagon where the game was at a standstill and nobody did fuckall. Nero wagon has gained notorious attention and resistance. Which seems the more indicative of scum vs town being wagoned?

Hawker has had passive resistance by alternative wagons coming up.

It's not if there's resistance but how.

Scum were stalled because they couldn't figure out a counter but could easily sheep yours.

That's my theory anyway.

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I don't know why Titus popped in just now to have a presence but i'm paranaoid that it could be strategic.

It's when I got time. Driving now. Will answer Mom soon.

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Norwee, Gamma and I all presented meta arguments and Norwee has been the most present and widely based on Nero's activity or lack of thereoff and BOP while Gamma and I have both provided insight on the probable mindset of scum!nero.

The only one Luca has acknowledged however was Norwees

Why engage with all three as scum when you can just agree with the most vocal?

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Norwee, Gamma and I all presented meta arguments and Norwee has been the most present and widely based on Nero's activity or lack of thereoff and BOP while Gamma and I have both provided insight on the probable mindset of scum!nero.

The only one Luca has acknowledged however was Norwees

Why engage with all three as scum when you can just agree with the most vocal?

hey peanut gallery, u gonna actually do anything except incite stuff? cause feels a lot like u just tryna push an agenda to discredit a forming townblock.

Hardly. If you see my ISO, you see I am perfectly clear on who is town and who is scum. Being critical of town is not discrediting or shading a townblock. I can townread players clearly and state they are wrong.

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Norwee, Gamma and I all presented meta arguments and Norwee has been the most present and widely based on Nero's activity or lack of thereoff and BOP while Gamma and I have both provided insight on the probable mindset of scum!nero.

The only one Luca has acknowledged however was Norwees

Why engage with all three as scum when you can just agree with the most vocal?

hey peanut gallery, u gonna actually do anything except incite stuff? cause feels a lot like u just tryna push an agenda to discredit a forming townblock.

This is just what Titus does

To be clear, this is discrediting. NM is not saying whether I am right or wrong but is solely disparaging my play.

I am not saying Norway and Gamma are bad but they are wrong. Good players can be wrong.

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I keep reading N_M posts as BC posts before realizing it's not.

That avatar is hypnotic.

I'm switching horses here, because this flip will confirm a lead I want to pursue later.

VOTE: Nero

What lead is that?

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was reading BCs iso and came across this

The points against NM is fair though, and I'm aware of cheekys preferences and NMs disposition to games but I would hate to lynch on policy, which is what it does kinda feel like to me

if NM is indeed scum then this post makes Mom look pretty bad

like neither was a PL. Cheeky lurks as scum and that peace out after getting scum read was scummy and NM trolls as caught scum.

Are u sure that Mom isn't scum with NM, Titus?

Possible but unlikely theory but I am much more confident on other slots. I'd rather slots in my solid scumread section.

Mom and NM feel town but aren't obvtown to me so they're in the theoretical scum bin.

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There's got to be scum pushing the only reason to kill Math is fear. The fact of the matter is scum could have killed Math to prevent a shakeup in the town.

Second, I largely agreed with Nero on his reads. Miselimming me and Nero would possibly allow scum to steamroll.

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VOTE: Norfolkboy

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Ranny could be scum wking me but I don't want to think the only guy who gets it is scum.

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I'll be doing my analysis later today. I get I look real bad here if NM flips scum.

That being said, what happens if a checker checks someone without an action?

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I’m not going to give you a reprieve since you brought this entirely upon yourself. But I will say - if you’re actually Town, then it’s so costly that I am going to be kind of pissed about this whole thing.

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VLA today

I haven't done VCA. I have been swamped with work and overgamed. I know I look bad. Just please give me a few days to properly do it. If you want to help, coloring the VCs would be great.

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VLA today

I haven't done VCA. I have been swamped with work and overgamed. I know I look bad. Just please give me a few days to properly do it. If you want to help, coloring the VCs would be great.

This is particularly at you Norway given how you really wanted this.

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This is particularly at you Norway given how you really wanted this.

Tell me how to color it, and I can get it done in a day or two.

I'm trying to putting it in a sheet, but I'm not sure exactly how useful it will end up:

https://imgur.com/a/Pjq1joV

That's not helpful but major townpoints for trying.

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bandwagon (n.)

also

band-wagon

, 1849, American English, from

band

(n.2) +

wagon

, originally a large wagon used to carry the band in a circus procession; as these also figured in celebrations of successful political campaigns, being

on the bandwagon

came to represent "attaching oneself to anything that looks likely to succeed," a usage first attested 1899 in writings of Theodore Roosevelt.

Official Votecount 1.9

CheekyTeeky (5): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1

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PlusJOYED (4): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb
DrippingGoofball (2): Momrangal, MiniMegabyte
MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Bypasser Catcher (2): CheekyTeeky, chkflip
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
Norfolk Boy1 (1): Rannygazoo
NorwegianBoyEE (1): Bypasser Catcher

Not Voting (2): Hayker*, Binatog13

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

CheekyTeeky

has been prodded.

My question here is that are Plusjoyed and Cheeky/Notmafia scum together? Unless Plusjoyed is a more powerful scumrole, initial impressions are bad for Andres unless S v S. The fact Andres had a small wagon on him too is telling.

Marching on

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re-

word-forming element meaning "back to the original place; again, anew, once more," also with a sense of "undoing," c. 1200, from Old French and directly from Latin

re-

"again, back, anew, against," "Latin combining form conceivably from Indo-European

*wret-

, metathetical variant of

*wert-

"to turn" [Watkins]. Often merely intensive, and in many of the older borrowings from French and Latin the precise sense of

re-

is lost in secondary senses or weakened beyond recognition. OED writes that it is "impossible to attempt a complete record of all the forms resulting from its use," and adds that "The number of these is practically infinite ...." The Latin prefix became

red-

before vowels and

h-

, as in

redact

,

redeem

,

redolent

,

redundant

.

Official Votecount 1.10

Not_Mafia (6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, Rannygazoo

[E-5]

PlusJOYED (5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb, Bypasser Catcher
MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
DrippingGoofball (1): MiniMegabyte
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (3): Hayker*, Binatog13, chkflip

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Normally I would FoS BC here but they're dead and conftown

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-ment

common suffix of Latin origin forming nouns, originally from French and representing Latin

-mentum

, which was added to verb stems to make nouns indicating the result or product of the action of the verb or the means or instrument of the action. In Vulgar Latin and Old French it came to be used as a formative in nouns of action. French inserts an

-e-

between the verbal root and the suffix (as in

commenc-e-ment

from

commenc-er

; with verbs in

ir

,

-i-

is inserted instead (as in

sent-i-ment

from

sentir

).

Used with English verb stems from 16c. (for example

amazement

,

betterment

,

merriment

, the last of which also illustrates the habit of turning

-y

to

-i-

before this suffix).

The stems to which

-ment

is normally appended are those of verbs; freaks like

oddment

&

funniment

should not be made a precedent of; they are themselves due to misconception of

merriment

, which is not from the adjective, but from an obsolete verb

merry

to rejoice. [Fowler]

Official Votecount 1.12

Not_Mafia (7): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, Rannygazoo, chkflip, DrippingGoofball

[E-4]

MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
PlusJOYED (2): Titus, Luca Blight
Hayker (2): Andresvmb, quiet
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
quiet (1): Bypasser Catcher
DrippingGoofball (1): MiniMegabyte
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (2): Binatog13, Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Not sure what to make about quiet getting off here.

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twenty (adj., n.)

"1 more than nineteen, twice ten; the number which is one more than nineteen; a symbol representing this number;" Old English

twentig

"group of twenty," from

twegen

"two" (from PIE root

*dwo-

"two") +

-tig

"group of ten" (see

-ty

(1)). Cognate with Old Saxon

twentig

, Old Frisian

twintich

, Dutch

twintig

, Old High German

zweinzug

, German

zwanzig

. Gothic

twai tigjus

is even more transparent: literally "two tens."

The card game

twenty-one

(1790) is from French

vingt-et-un

(1781).

Twenty-twenty hindsight

is first recorded 1962, a figurative use of the Snellen fraction for normal visual acuity, expressed in feet. The guessing game of

twenty questions

is recorded from 1786 (a late 19c. parlor variation on it was called

clumps

).

Official Votecount 1.14

Hayker (6): quiet, NorwegianboyEE, Rannygazoo, Andresvmb, BBMolla, Bypasser Catcher

[E-5]

Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball
PlusJOYED (2): Titus, Luca Blight
Titus (1): PlusJOYE
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller
Bypasser Catcher (1): Gamma Emerald
Rannygazoo (1): chkflip
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

I find it odd all the people who are dying keep being on the counterwagons to Not Mafia. It's very confusing.

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awake (v.)

"cease to sleep, come out of sleep," a merger of two Middle English verbs: 1.

awaken

, from Old English

awæcnan

(earlier

onwæcnan

; strong, past tense

awoc

, past participle

awacen

) "to awake, arise, originate," from a

"on" + wacan

"to arise, become awake;" and 2.

awakien

, from Old English

awacian

(weak, past participle

awacode

) "to awaken, revive; arise; originate, spring from," from a

"on" + wacian

"to be awake, remain awake, watch." For the first element, see

a

(1); the second element in both is common Proto-Germanic, from PIE root

*weg-

"to be strong, be lively."

Both originally were intransitive only; the transitive sense "arouse from sleep" generally being expressed by Middle English

awecchen

(from Old English

aweccan

) until later Middle English. In Modern English, the tendency has been to restrict the strong past tense and past participle (

awoke, awoken

) to the original intransitive sense and the weak inflection

(awaked

) to the transitive, but this never has been complete. For distinctions of usage, see

wake

(v.); also compare

awaken

.

Official Votecount 1.16

Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball

[E-6]

Hayker (5): Rannygazoo, Andresvmb, BBMolla, Bypasser Catcher, Titus

[E-6]

Nero Cain (4): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip, quiet
PlusJOYED (1): Luca Blight
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

MiniMegabyte

has requested replacement.

Gamma quiet Hawker Plusjoyed/andres scum theory at this point. Plusjoyed/andres being the weakest parts.

[Titus]

BBMolla Hawker could also be a thing.

[Titus]

VOTE: Hayker

[Titus]

Join the Hayker wagon. All the fedora wearing cool kids are.

[Titus]

Gamma, let's wagon Hawker again. I get a feeling from my VCA that it hits paydirt.

[Titus]

Not_Mafia (6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, Rannygazoo

[E-5]

PlusJOYED (5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb, Bypasser Catcher
MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
DrippingGoofball (1): MiniMegabyte
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (3): Hayker*, Binatog13, chkflip

This is an interesting VC, because everyone on the NM wagon is probably Town here, and the PlusJOYED wagon fmpov was pretty Townie (only one I'm unsure of is Titus) and that wagon couldn't pick up any further momentum and died out, while the Not_Mafia wagon rolled unopposed to E-1 from here. It's quite possible both scum were wagoned, which would have explained the game state lacking any spark despite scum being wagoned. I think the NM slot was written off by scum early on after the two replace-outs.

I disagree with the NM wagon being all town. If scum wrote off NM, like you suggest, they would be present on the NM wagon particularly if Plusjoyed is scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Reason:
A: Mathblade kill points to Titus
B: Their VCA is bad and they are pushing the vote on likely town.

I could be on board with this.

EE'S push here on me is in bad faith.

1) It forces a reason for the Mathblade kill and that I am the only one to make it. Mathblade slot could have been killed for several reasons. PR detection, slot was obvtown, they didn't want consensus to change, etc.

2) They don't really engage with my VCA in a fair manner. They don't look at my suspect pool as a whole but suggest my top suspect is likely town. That's odd though because they dislike some of his posting too though. It reads like a distancing ploy more than a good faith read on the Hawker slot.

I know it's a bit OMGUS and not perfectly VCA driven but EE would be my scumread by play. EE seems to go out of their way to defend slots that are scummy and never intended to give my VCA a fair read.

[Titus]

Gamma, let's wagon Hawker again. I get a feeling from my VCA that it hits paydirt.

Your VCA has been way too slapdash for me to put any faith in it.

Slapdash?

[Titus]

I am also not perfectly wedded to my Hawker vote. I find it most likely. I could go with Plusjoyed Gamma or EE.

[Titus]

Titus, do we have a history on another site/forum? I don't really care too much about calling me Hawker, just curious.

Sorry. I butcher names a lot. If you see a Titus playing mafia it's more than likely me. I don't recall you specifically.

[Titus]

@Chkflip, I totally missed that.

[Titus]

I think it'd be better if Binatog just claimed what their role is and results so far because this is just going to be confusing otherwise.

+1

[Titus]

I'm still waiting for the "pay dirt" from a Hayker flip, Titus?

And what did you mean earlier when you were talking about the night kills fucking with that?

Do you think -maybe- this alleged role cop might have something to do with that?

Look at his wagon? Who is scum there? Scum have been actively shooting people on the counterwagons which means we had S v S wagons or scum had a way of determining who PRs are or both. My money is on S v S wagons because I think everyone wagoning Hayker and PlusJoyed was town.

[Titus]

Of course, then there's EE with his fake argument of Titus scum because her brother died wifom. The kill could be due to that but I think scum let me and math fight unless the kill on Math had separate utility for them.

[Titus]

Not_Mafia (6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1,

Rannygazoo [E-5]

PlusJOYED (5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb,

Bypasser Catcher

Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball [E-6]
Hayker (5):

Rannygazoo,

Andresvmb, BBMolla,

Bypasser Catcher,

Titus [E-6]
Nero Cain (4): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip, quiet

Both NKs after Math have been on Hayker. Why pick off the very people reading the game wrong? They would have to know they are PRs. So either scum knew they were PRs or we had S v S wagons.

[Titus]

Quiet, do you think either Hayker or Plusjoyed could be scum?

[Titus]

Not very but if I am wrong on Hayker, Gamma is pretty scummy in vc 1.14 to 1.15

[Titus]

What's your Gamma read?

[Titus]

@Norway, Join us?

[Titus]

Wait. See I saw "Watcher" and thought, y'know, Watcher.

MathBlade

has been found dead. He was a

Town Role Watcher.

MathBlade - Town Role Watcher

You are a

Town Role Watcher

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may attempt to visit a player to watch them. You will learn the roles (but not alignments) of all other players who visit them. At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGETNAME was visited by

ROLENAME(s)

", "TARGETNAME was visited by

no one

", or "You got

no result

from watching TARGETNAME".

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

How is this different from what Bin is claiming to have?

I thought Bin was claiming rolecop?

[Titus]

I just checked the activity overview and PlusJOYED has 11 posts. :/

[Titus]

I made it clear that I am not in the best fucking mindspace for mafia and you go and decide that it's fucking ok to make an attack based on that fact, like what the fuck type of human being are you

Makes me think quiet might be scum given similar rationale was used on Nero why not try it again?

[Titus]

VOTE: Plusjoyed

[Titus]

Not sure which word you mean but I saw no glaring errors.

[Titus]

I legit missed your question. BBMolla is just Nero Cain round 2.

[Titus]

I don't see how anyone can townread Plusjoyed at all here.

[Titus]

I don't scumread anyone minus Gamma and maybe EE on that wagon. It feels like scum just want to let town eat itself on the BBMolla wagon. Then compare the BBMolla wagon to Nero's to FoS town.

It's literally a waste of space. If I'm wrong, I'll accept that I'm the townbeard and get limmed but the BBMolla wagon is not even worth tome to indulge.

[Titus]

If you SR plusJOYED then why aren't you suspicious of BBMolla being his partner, for the reasons I outlined?

BBMolla is Nero Cain. Like I said.

[Titus]

It's an easy defense to say Plusjoyed is LHF. This is not LHF. If it prod dodges again, we need to turbolim there.

[Titus]

In what way are they Nero Cain?
Is it in any way that can't be faked?

Sure anything can be faked.

This is the same response by BBMolla to the same rationales.

[Titus]

Actually yeah, what makes you think Plus is town Luca? I don't see how there's enough info to sort them one way or the other.

Only based on the fact that I think scum are counter-wagoning plusJOYED now in response to the pressure on BBMolla, and also did to a lesser extent on D1 in response to the Cheeky/NM wagon.

I think Plus makes sense as a partner for BBMolla, but I'm leaning more towards BBMolla/Titus/Chkflip or Andres for the reasons above.

Highly for Plus to be a scum counterwagon to Cheeky. There's no scum on the backend fmpov.

[Titus]

If you SR plusJOYED then why aren't you suspicious of BBMolla being his partner, for the reasons I outlined?

BBMolla is Nero Cain. Like I said.

So you're Townreading him for his AtE?

No. I'm townreading based on the same people pushing for the same reasons and BBMolla having the same response while most of scum sits out.

They have no need to bus Plus thanks to you.

[Titus]

re-

word-forming element meaning "back to the original place; again, anew, once more," also with a sense of "undoing," c. 1200, from Old French and directly from Latin

re-

"again, back, anew, against," "Latin combining form conceivably from Indo-European

*wret-

, metathetical variant of

*wert-

"to turn" [Watkins]. Often merely intensive, and in many of the older borrowings from French and Latin the precise sense of

re-

is lost in secondary senses or weakened beyond recognition. OED writes that it is "impossible to attempt a complete record of all the forms resulting from its use," and adds that "The number of these is practically infinite ...." The Latin prefix became

red-

before vowels and

h-

, as in

redact

,

redeem

,

redolent

,

redundant

.

Official Votecount 1.10

Not_Mafia (6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, Rannygazoo

[E-5]

PlusJOYED (5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb, Bypasser Catcher
MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
DrippingGoofball (1): MiniMegabyte
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (3): Hayker*, Binatog13, chkflip

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Unless you have Andres as scum, just how is this a scum counterwagon to Cheeky?

[Titus]

If you SR plusJOYED then why aren't you suspicious of BBMolla being his partner, for the reasons I outlined?

BBMolla is Nero Cain. Like I said.

So you're Townreading him for his AtE?

No. I'm townreading based on the same people pushing for the same reasons and BBMolla having the same response while most of scum sits out.

They have no need to bus Plus thanks to you.

Do you know why I SR BBMolla?

I don't really get what you mean by your last sentence, can you expand on it?

His AtE, like you said. Tbh, I am partially skimming BBMolla circlejerk. It's against the votes.

You also postulated that Plus was a scum driven counter to Cheeky/NM. That's not possible unless Andres is scum. The Plusjoyed wagon started first. Then Cheeky formed. Then Andres and Bypass Catcher voted PlusJoyed. Bypass we know was town. So unless Andres is scum, it's impossible for scum to have wagoned Plus to save Cheeky/NM.

[Titus]

I'm not scumreading BBMolla for his AtE.

Well, I guess I am partially, but I was already hard SR'ing him before he ever AtE'd. Please catch-up properly before dismissing that wagon.

This thread moves too fast for me to hunt for it. I literally post while I can and skim before during work. Can you just recap.

[Titus]

Unless you have Andres as scum, just how is this a scum counterwagon to Cheeky?

I mean it's not that hard to believe from Luca's perspective here.
If you and Andres could be scum, then N_M is voting me to not put his mark on the wagon (as he knows he will likely flip soon and it will look too good for Plusjoyed if he also is voting there)
If it was SvS why wouldn't N_M double down on voting the Plusjoyed wagon to make Plus or himself look very town once one of them flips?

NM and Plusjoyed are both PRs in the SvS scenario, thus bussing would be discouraged.

[Titus]

His AtE, like you said. Tbh, I am partially skimming BBMolla circlejerk. It's against the votes.

The Molla wagon didn't start because of AtE and calling it a circlejerk seems a bit overly shading.
Why do you so strongly believe Molla is town Titus?

Like I said. I have no interest in repeating the Nero wagon but following my VCA instead. I vocally protested last time and got nowhere so I figured casing Plus is a better option.

[Titus]

NM and Plusjoyed are both PRs in the SvS scenario, thus bussing would be discouraged.

How do you know Plus would be a PR?

Because scum would bus a goon to save the Strongman.

[Titus]

NM and Plusjoyed are both PRs in the SvS scenario, thus bussing would be discouraged.

How do you know Plus would be a PR?

Because scum would bus a goon to save the Strongman.

This is such moonlogic.
I'm starting to believe that you and BBMolla are both scum and you are grasping here with flimsy reasoning to save him.

You have no response to my VCA and are doubling down on limming Molla anyway. This is where I talkabout you not giving my VCA a fair shake.

You also pushed a bullshit wifom argument on me.

You're pushing what it takes to get Molla limmed in spite of the data and lack of Plus posting saying to lim him.

[Titus]

If it were up to me i'd toss them all into the grinder until scum has been found.

Then why do you shade me for following my VCA over arguments on AtE and a "boring" tell.

[Titus]

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting i'm scum?
Why would i work so hard to defend a shit slot such as Plusjoyed over BBMolla in any world if that's the case?

Plusjoyed is a PR by the VCA. We've established this.

[Titus]

Gtg work.

[Titus]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

Why do you think I've been skimming the BBMolla push? It's bad town mostly.

Hayker and Plus need to flip. If Plus is town, Andres is lockscum.

[Titus]

Plus in particular because we either get scum today or tomorrow.

[Titus]

I REPEAT A RED FLIP ON PLUS WOULD MEAN A RED FLIP ON LUCA

I don't see this. Elaborate please.

[Titus]

I do want to know where Titus is getting "Plus!town = Andres!scum"

The early part of the Plus wagon happened before the NM/Cheeky wagon. That ends with my vote. Only two votes occurred after. Andres and Bypass. If Plus is a counterwagon to scum (which is the plus town theory) scum have to come on after the cheeky/nm wagon formed. That's Andres or Bypass. Bypass is conftown.

Therefore if Plus town, Andres is scum.

[Titus]

Eh. Plus' 296 adds some credence to that tangentially.

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED
VOTE: PlusJOYED

Does this bother you, Titus?

Yes.

[Titus]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

Why do you think I've been skimming the BBMolla push? It's bad town mostly.

Hayker and Plus need to flip. If Plus is town, Andres is lockscum.

Titus, assuming this is a bad town push on town, wouldn't scum be all over that? Seems like something you should not be ignoring.

Pronouns confuse your question.

[Titus]

Nero Cain/momrangal/Not_Mafia/Yakety Sax/quiet

Okay hahaha ignore my suspicions of Mom. I believe every person listed here is likely Town.

^that’s still alive that is.

Rule of 3 says

no.

[Titus]

Gamma quiet Hawker Plusjoyed/andres scum theory at this point. Plusjoyed/andres being the weakest parts.

I think this is a horrendous solve.

Oh good. Glad to know you approve.

[Titus]

I’m being shaded as a result of wagon analysis that seems bogus

To my understanding, you're only being shaded in the event JOYED flips town and I'm not entirely certain I (or anyone for that matter) follows that train of thought precisely as Titus currently is. Do you think JOYED flips town here?

Andres is lockscum in the Plus town universe.

I didn't comment much on a Plus scum universe.

[Titus]

I’m being shaded as a result of wagon analysis that seems bogus

To my understanding, you're only being shaded in the event JOYED flips town and I'm not entirely certain I (or anyone for that matter) follows that train of thought precisely as Titus currently is. Do you think JOYED flips town here?

Andres is lockscum in the Plus town universe.

I didn't comment much on a Plus scum universe.

He is town and Luca is town, bye!

Great, in a Plus!scum universe, I agree with you.

[Titus]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

Why do you think I've been skimming the BBMolla push? It's bad town mostly.

Hayker and Plus need to flip. If Plus is town, Andres is lockscum.

Titus, assuming this is a bad town push on town, wouldn't scum be all over that? Seems like something you should not be ignoring.

Pronouns confuse your question.

Huh? Does titus mean my use of the word "you"? I'm not understanding.

This actually.

[Titus]

Ok. I skimmed and caught up. I think some town are scumreading me because they disagree with me and scum are piling on. This deters people from joining the Plusjoyed wagon while no one really townreads him, because they can't.

Meanwhile, the BBMolla wagon is full of nonsense that gets circlejerked.

[Titus]

@Vax, I can't answer what I don't understand.

@Molla, give me a moment.

[Titus]

Putting together precise teams in two separate worlds is difficult.

I've just lost the mojo for this game. I'd rather just see a flip and work from there. I rarely do precise teams without hypotheticals. I do pools instead.

[Titus]

once I read Titus's ISO I realized how much our gamethoughts align

Hencewhy I want their possible scumteams because I'm having trouble

We need to yeet plusJOYED. If we wait, someone is going to come in on a white horse calling them town and there's a nonzero chance you'll be yeeted instead!

Why does this feel like a whiteknight?

[Titus]

You said you were ignoring the BBmolla push. I can only assume you've been ignoring it because you think bbmoll is town, but if so, he was at E1 (with my proxy vote). You really dont think there is some scum on there?

Does that explain it?

Yes. Of course I think there's some scum on their either way (if I am right or wrong).

[Titus]

Gamma quiet Hawker Plusjoyed/andres scum theory at this point. Plusjoyed/andres being the weakest parts.

I would add in EE for that baldfaced lie that I am not sticking to my VCA here, but that's not a VCA driven spot.

[Titus]

If it really is Hayker and Plusjoyed then we're in a good spot

Yes as long as we don't eliminate you in the meantime

[Titus]

It's probably something like Andres, NorwegianboyEE, DGB and chkflip.

I view there's no way the Plusjoyed wagon was pure. I don't regret flipping it either because it just prod dodged entirely, never voting so it would never vote scum. Plus we get a near certain scum in Andres. If we flip me, we get lock Andres scum, and I'm ok with that.

Plus, you all could reset on EE as his push on me has been incredibly scummy based in wifom.

DGB is whiteknighting me.

Chkflip is pocketing me.


There's my answer. I'll start massclaim. VT.

[Titus]

So Andres is lockscum because he voted plusJOYED as a counterwagon to Not_Mafia, but the other three you think are scum voted Not_Mafia from what I recall?

Which makes no sense.

Andres is the one I feel most certain about. There's very little chance the counterwagon to NM scum was pure.

In the event it is, we likely had a high amount of bussing scum.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Whiteknighting, you say?

Defending straight to voting, that sounds real secure

[Titus]

Can I die please

I don’t want to be miselimmed in LYLO

It’s just soul crushing

Don't be such a Plusjoyed.

I’m playing to my win condition

The only way we win is if I get the loonies into reality

The reality that yesterday was two town wagons

Welcome to my world.

I have a possible scum pursuing a wifom case and shading everything I do as scummy (Norway), lockscum voting me (Andres), defeated town I can't protect anymore (BBMolla).

If Norway is town, we have no less than three gamethrowing slots and deserve to lose.

[Titus]

I have a possible scum pursuing a wifom case and shading everything I do as scummy (Norway), lockscum voting me (Andres), defeated town I can't protect anymore (BBMolla).

If Norway is town, we have no less than three gamethrowing slots and deserve to lose.

This is such bullshit.
Calling me scumreading you "gamethrowing".
What have you even done that's so town exactly?

Protected Nero and Molla.

[Titus]

I was scum reading bbmolla, but how does scum!bbmolla come in and do this?

also I'd only lim bbmolla rn if there wasn't any more direct leads
we've got a couple days before limlo I'm p sure

If we don’t hit correctly today I’m probably next

So we better be right

UNVOTE:

Don't worry. If we miseliminate me, Andres should be next if there's any comptetent VCA player.

[Titus]

Is Titus really trying to take credit for “protecting Nero”?

Look do Titus, or their lockScum in me. If we’re going to do Molla, that’s a complete waste.

You know full well that's protecting chkflip as right now you aren't under any real threat at all, despite the votes saying you should be.

[Titus]

Quiet had Vax at null until suddenly wanting his elim at the end of the previous day. He hinted at a possible result, even using the word 'track' in association with him. There's definitely something in this, imo.

Vax, Titus, Luca?

All town Mom. Christ.

[Titus]

I’m not protecting chkflip what. This is some complete nonsense narrative.

If you know you're never going to be the flip, trying to take a 1 v 1 on behalf of your buddy protects him.

[Titus]

Quiet had Vax at null until suddenly wanting his elim at the end of the previous day. He hinted at a possible result, even using the word 'track' in association with him. There's definitely something in this, imo.

Vax, Titus, Luca?

All town Mom. Christ.

My exact reaction with your PoE

Talk to me about Vax

Trying it again

I'll explain how the votes clear him tonight when I don't have court. So later tonight.

[Titus]

@Mom,

To have Andres as town beyond a doubt means you must believe that scum made no effort to save NM day one. That means bussers on NM.

[Titus]

@Mom,

To have Andres as town beyond a doubt means you must believe that scum made no effort to save NM day one. That means bussers on NM.

why can't someone else be that scum for you

Bypasser literally cannot be scum. He's dead.

Everyone else on Plusjoyed was on PlusJoyed prior to the NM wagon.

[Titus]

N_M claimed a fake guilty that would guarantee his death one day later in the very next day.

Doesn't seem like a slot scum was trying that hard to save.

Then who was bussing?

[Titus]

You're the VCA master, you tell us

you can't claim your VCA is solid and then pass the buck when asked to re-apply it with a different gamestate in mind

Doing a VCA with alternative facts is not something I do when the court can call me in any second. I'll do a full blown VCA supposing the fiction Andres is town though tonight along with updating the correct one.

[Titus]

You're the VCA master, you tell us

you can't claim your VCA is solid and then pass the buck when asked to re-apply it with a different gamestate in mind

Doing a VCA with alternative facts is not something I do when the court can call me in any second. I'll do a full blown VCA supposing the fiction Andres is town though tonight along with updating the correct one.

bruh wtf is this wording
could you be any more obvious that you're biased?

I make my biases known. It's transparency that I am known for. This way if you feel I am "biased" incorrectly, you can look at the data and form your own opinion.

My methods are replicable. The only way VCA doesn't nail scum is if the procedure is fucked or the team deliberately does stupid shit like mass bus without a credible threat.

[Titus]

also, what are your reads IGNORING VCA?

It's wholly impossible for me to separate my reads from my VCA.

Doing my best to do so

Luca, Molla, Mom Locktown

DGB Chkflip nullscum

Norway would flip regardless because this slot has pushed Nero myself and Molla, all town while protecting slots that are useless like Plusjoyed. If Norway and I are both in lylo and he's town, we likely lose there.

[Titus]

it's not replicable if you don't give a road map tho
I've tried to use similar methods to you and feel like I ended up way off

I guess you can try your methods on the game I tried on and see what results you get, and if they match mine then I somehow lucked into your method?
is that a thing you're willing to try?

Sure.

But you'll need to give me the flips, any modconfirmed townies (i.e. cop clears) known at the time you did the flip. I usually get those things from post 1, but that would spoil the results.

That'll happen tomorrow most likely though barring a sudden miracle as my case got pushed to the back end of my calendar and I have two actual VCAs to do here.

[Titus]

Btw, being willing to learn the VCA sounds like a very town reachout.

[Titus]

So my day looks like

Court case
Docket work
VCAs
Date
More stuff if possible.

[Titus]

Thank you.

[Titus]

VOTE: chkflip

[Titus]

Spoiler: The VCs

vote (n.)

mid-15c., "formal expression of one's wish or choice with regard to a proposal, candidate, etc.," from Latin

votum

"a vow, wish, promise to a god, solemn pledge, dedication," noun use of neuter of

votus

, past participle of

vovere

"to promise, dedicate" (see

vow

(n.)). Meaning "totality of voters of a certain class or type" is from 1888.

Official Votecount 1.1

Binatog13 (2):

MathBlade

, Vaxkiller

[E-9]

DrippingGoofball (1): Hayker

MathBlade

(1): Binatog13

Rannygazoo

(1): DrippingGoofball

Norfolk Boy1

(1): Titus
Gamma Emerald (1): Andresvmb

Not_Mafia

(1): BBMolla
Andresvmb (1):

Bypasser Catcher

Not Voting (11):

Nero Cain

, Momrangal,

quiet

,

Rannygazoo

, Luca Blight,

Norfolk Boy1

, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip,

Not_Mafia

,

PlusJoyed

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

I'm heading to bed soon. I've asked

the worst

to check the thread and post vote counts if necessary when I'm away because I know large games can go very quickly if there are a few people active at the same time.

Doing something a bit different, this VC and the next one I do will have two words that share a common ancestor.

guest (n.)

Old English

gæst

,

giest

(Anglian

gest

) "an accidental guest, a chance comer, a stranger," from Proto-Germanic

*gastiz

(source also of Old Frisian

jest

, Dutch

gast

, German

Gast

, Gothic

gasts

"guest," originally "stranger"), from PIE root

*ghos-ti-

"stranger, guest, host" (source also of Latin

hostis

, in earlier use "a stranger," in classical use "an enemy"); the root sense, according to Watkins, probably is "someone with whom one has reciprocal duties of hospitality."

Spelling evolution influenced by Old Norse cognate

gestr

(the usual sound changes from the Old English word would have yielded Modern English

*yest

). Meaning "person entertained for pay" (at an inn, etc.) is from late 13c. Old English also had

cuma

"stranger, guest," literally "a comer." Phrase

be my guest

in the sense of "go right ahead" first recorded 1955.

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MathBlade

(5): Binatog13,

Nero Cain

, chkflip, BBMolla, NorwegianboyEE

[E-6]

Andresvmb (3):

Bypasser Catcher

,

Rannygazoo

, Vaxkiller
DrippingGoofball (2): Hayker, Momrangal

Rannygazoo

(1): DrippingGoofball
Binatog13 (1):

MathBlade

Gamma Emerald (1): Andresvmb
Hayker (1): Titus

Not Voting (6):

quiet

, Luca Blight,

Norfolk Boy1

, Gamma Emerald,

Not_Mafia

,

PlusJoyed

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Currently I'm waiting on a confirmation for a replacement for

Not_Mafia

. Other than that the only player still unconfirmed is

quiet

.

host (n.1)

"person who receives guests," especially for pay, late 13c., from Old French

oste

,

hoste

"guest, host, hostess, landlord" (12c., Modern French

hôte

), from Latin

hospitem

(nominative

hospes

) "guest, stranger, sojourner, visitor (hence also 'foreigner')," also "host; one bound by ties of hospitality."

This appears to be from PIE

*ghos-pot-

, a compound meaning "guest-master" (compare Old Church Slavonic

gospodi

"lord, master," literally "lord of strangers"), from the roots

*ghos-ti-

"stranger, guest, host" and

*poti-

"powerful; lord." The etymological notion is of someone "with whom one has reciprocal duties of hospitality" [Watkins]. The biological sense of "animal or plant having a parasite" is from 1857.

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MathBlade

(6): Binatog13,

Nero Cain

, chkflip, BBMolla, DrippingGoofball,

Not_Mafia

[E-5]

DrippingGoofball (3): Hayker, Momrangal, Gamma Emerald

Rannygazoo

(2):

Norfolk Boy1

, NorwegianboyEE
Gamma Emerald (2): Andresvmb,

Rannygazoo

Binatog13 (1):

MathBlade

,

Not_Mafia

(1): Vaxkiller
Hayker (1): Titus
Andresvmb (1):

Bypasser Catcher

Not Voting (3):

quiet

, Luca Blight,

PlusJoyed

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

quiet

has failed to pick up their Role PM and is being replaced. If they show up before I can find a replacement they can keep the slot.

count (v.)

late 14c., "to enumerate, assign numerals to successively and in order; repeat the numerals in order," also "to reckon among, include," from Old French

conter

"to count, add up," also "tell a story," from Latin

computare

"to count, sum up, reckon together," from

com

"with, together" (see

com-

) +

putare

"to reckon," originally "to prune," from PIE root

*pau-

(2) "to cut, strike, stamp."

Intransitive sense "be of value or worth" is from 1857. Related:

Counted

;

counting

. Modern French differentiates

compter

"to count" and

conter

"to tell," but they are cognates. To

count on

"rely or depend upon" is from 1640s. To

count against

(transitive) "to be to the disadvantage of" is by 1888. To

count (someone) in

"consider (someone) a participant or supporter" is from 1857;

count (someone) out

in the opposite sense "leave out of consideration" is from 1854.

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DrippingGoofball (3): Momrangal, NorwegianboyEE,

MathBlade

[E-8]

MathBlade

(3): Binatog13,

Nero Cain

, chkflip

[E-8]

PlusJoyed

(3): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus

[E-8]

Not_Mafia

(2): Vaxkiller, Gamma Emerald
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

Bypasser Catcher

(1):

Not_Mafia

Rannygazoo

(1):

Norfolk Boy1

Binatog13 (1): BBMolla

Norfolk Boy1

(1):

Rannygazoo

Gamma Emerald (1): Andresvmb
BBMolla (1):

Bypasser Catcher

Not Voting (2):

quiet

, Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

This is your friendly reminder that using bold instead of vote or unvote tags makes me more likely to miss your vote.

band (n.2)

"an organized group," originally especially of armed men, late 15c., from French

bande

, which is traceable to the Proto-Germanic root of

band

(n.1), perhaps via a band of cloth worn as a mark of identification by a group of soldiers or others (compare Gothic

bandwa

"a sign"). But perhaps from Middle English

band, bond

in the sense "force that unites, bond, tie" (late 14c.). Also compare Old Norse

band

"cord that binds; act of binding," also "confederacy."

The extension to "group of musicians" is c. 1660, originally musicians attached to a regiment of the army and playing instruments which may be used while marching. To

beat the band

(1897) is to make enough noise to drown it out, hence to exceed everything.

One-man band

is by 1931 as "man who plays several musical instruments simultaneously;" figurative extension is by 1938.

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PlusJoyed

(4): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus,

quiet

[E-7]

DrippingGoofball (3): Momrangal, NorwegianboyEE,

MathBlade

Not_Mafia

(3): Vaxkiller, Gamma Emerald,

Bypasser Catcher

MathBlade

(2):

Nero Cain

, BBMolla

Bypasser Catcher

(2):

Not_Mafia

, chkflip
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

Rannygazoo

(1):

Norfolk Boy1

Norfolk Boy1

(1):

Rannygazoo

Gamma Emerald (1): Andresvmb

Not Voting (2): Hayker, Binatog13

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

@Hayker:

I am unsure if 541 was meant to be a vote so I haven't counted it. Please could you try to use vote and unvote tags

E.g. you get "VOTE: Name or UNVOTE: Name" with:

Code: Select all

[v]Name[/v] or [uv]Name[/uv]

wagon (n.)

"four-wheeled vehicle to carry heavy loads," late 15c., from Middle Dutch

wagen

,

waghen

, from Proto-Germanic

*wagna-

(source also of Old English

wægn

, Modern English

wain

, Old Saxon and Old High German

wagan

, Old Norse

vagn

, Old Frisian

wein

, German

Wagen

), from PIE

*wogh-no-

, suffixed form of root

*wegh-

"to go, move, transport in a vehicle" (source also of Latin

vehiculum

). It is thus related to

way

.

In Dutch and German, it is the general word for "a wheel vehicle;" its use in English is a result of contact through Flemish immigration, Dutch trade, or the Continental wars. It has largely displaced the native cognate,

wain

. Spelling preference varied randomly between

-g-

and

-gg-

from mid-18c., until American English settled on the etymological

wagon

, while

waggon

remained common in Great Britain.

Wagon-train

is attested from 1810. Phrase

on the wagon

"abstaining from alcohol" is attested by 1904, originally

on the water cart

.

Official Votecount 1.8

Not_Mafia

(5): Gamma Emerald,

Bypasser Catcher

, NorwegianboyEE,

quiet

,

Nero Cain

[E-6]

PlusJoyed

(3): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus
DrippingGoofball (2): Momrangal,

MathBlade

MathBlade

(2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller

Bypasser Catcher

(2):

Not_Mafia

, chkflip
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

Rannygazoo

(1):

Norfolk Boy1

Norfolk Boy1

(1):

Rannygazoo

Gamma Emerald (1): Andresvmb

Not Voting (2): Hayker, Binatog13

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

bandwagon (n.)

also

band-wagon

, 1849, American English, from

band

(n.2) +

wagon

, originally a large wagon used to carry the band in a circus procession; as these also figured in celebrations of successful political campaigns, being

on the bandwagon

came to represent "attaching oneself to anything that looks likely to succeed," a usage first attested 1899 in writings of Theodore Roosevelt.

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Not_Mafia

(5): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE,

quiet

,

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

[E-6]

PlusJoyed

(4): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb
DrippingGoofball (2): Momrangal,

MathBlade

MathBlade

(2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller

Bypasser Catcher

(2):

Not_Mafia

, chkflip
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

Norfolk Boy1

(1):

Rannygazoo

NorwegianBoyEE (1):

Bypasser Catcher

Not Voting (2): Hayker*, Binatog13

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Not_Mafia

has been prodded.

re-

word-forming element meaning "back to the original place; again, anew, once more," also with a sense of "undoing," c. 1200, from Old French and directly from Latin

re-

"again, back, anew, against," "Latin combining form conceivably from Indo-European

*wret-

, metathetical variant of

*wert-

"to turn" [Watkins]. Often merely intensive, and in many of the older borrowings from French and Latin the precise sense of

re-

is lost in secondary senses or weakened beyond recognition. OED writes that it is "impossible to attempt a complete record of all the forms resulting from its use," and adds that "The number of these is practically infinite ...." The Latin prefix became

red-

before vowels and

h-

, as in

redact

,

redeem

,

redolent

,

redundant

.

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Not_Mafia

(6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE,

quiet

,

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

,

Rannygazoo

[E-5]

PlusJoyed

(5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb,

Bypasser Catcher

MathBlade

(2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

DrippingGoofball (1):

MathBlade

NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (3): Hayker*, Binatog13, chkflip

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

place (n.)

c. 1200, "space, dimensional extent, room, area," from Old French

place

"place, spot" (12c.) and directly from Medieval Latin

placea

"place, spot," from Latin

platea

"courtyard, open space; broad way, avenue," from Greek

plateia (hodos)

"broad (way)," fem. of

platys

"broad," from PIE root

*plat-

"to spread."

Replaced Old English

stow

and

stede

. From mid-13c. as "particular part of space, extent, definite location, spot, site;" from early 14c. as "position or place occupied by custom, etc.; precedence, priority in rank or dignity; social status, position on some social scale;" from late 14c. as "inhabited place, town, country," also "place on the surface of something, portion of something, part." Meaning "a situation, appointment, or employment" is by 1550s. Meaning "group of houses in a town" is from 1580s.

Also from the same Latin source are Italian

piazza

, Catalan

plassa

, Spanish

plaza

, Middle Dutch

plaetse

, Dutch

plaats

, German

Platz

, Danish

plads

, Norwegian

plass

. The word appears via the Bible in Old English (Old Northumbrian

plaece, plaetse

"an open place in a city"), but the modern word is a reborrowing.

Sense of "a mansion with its adjoining grounds" is from mid-14c.; that of "building or part of a building set apart for some purpose is by late 15c. (in

place of worship

). Meaning "a broad way, square, or open space in a city or town," often having some particular use or character (

Park Place, Waverly Place,Rillington Place

) is by 1690s, from a sense in French. Its wide application in English covers meanings that in French require three words:

place, lieu

, and

endroit

. Cognate Italian

piazza

and Spanish

plaza

retain more of the etymological sense.

To

take place

"happen, come to pass, be accomplished" (mid-15c., earlier

have place

, late 14c.), translates French

avoir lieu

. To

know (one's) place

"know how to behave in a manner befitting one's rank, situation, etc." is from c. 1600, from the "social status" sense; hence the figurative expression

put (someone) in his or her place

(1855). In i

n the first place

, etc., it has the sense of "point or degree in order of proceeding" (1630s).

Out of place

"not properly adjusted or placed in relation to other things" is by 1520s.

All over the place

"in disorder" is attested from 1923.

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Not_Mafia

(8): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE,

quiet

,

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

,

Rannygazoo

, chkflip, DrippingGoofball

[E-3]

PlusJoyed

(4): Luca Blight, Titus, Andresvmb,

Bypasser Catcher

MathBlade

(2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

DrippingGoofball (1):

MathBlade

NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (2): Hayker*, Binatog13

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

@

Not_Mafia

Was 'Gastric Bypass' intended to be a serious vote on someone or not?

-ment

common suffix of Latin origin forming nouns, originally from French and representing Latin

-mentum

, which was added to verb stems to make nouns indicating the result or product of the action of the verb or the means or instrument of the action. In Vulgar Latin and Old French it came to be used as a formative in nouns of action. French inserts an

-e-

between the verbal root and the suffix (as in

commenc-e-ment

from

commenc-er

; with verbs in

ir

,

-i-

is inserted instead (as in

sent-i-ment

from

sentir

).

Used with English verb stems from 16c. (for example

amazement

,

betterment

,

merriment

, the last of which also illustrates the habit of turning

-y

to

-i-

before this suffix).

The stems to which

-ment

is normally appended are those of verbs; freaks like

oddment

&

funniment

should not be made a precedent of; they are themselves due to misconception of

merriment

, which is not from the adjective, but from an obsolete verb

merry

to rejoice. [Fowler]

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Not_Mafia

(7): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE,

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

,

Rannygazoo

, chkflip, DrippingGoofball

[E-4]

MathBlade

(2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller

PlusJoyed

(2): Titus, Luca Blight
Hayker (2): Andresvmb,

quiet

Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

quiet

(1):

Bypasser Catcher

DrippingGoofball (1):

MathBlade

NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (2): Binatog13, Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

replacement (n.)

"act or fact of being replaced," 1790, from

replace

(v.) +

-ment

. Meaning "something that replaces another" is attested from 1894.

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Hayker (4):

quiet

, Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE,

Rannygazoo

[E-7]

Not_Mafia

(3):

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

, DrippingGoofball

MathBlade

(2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller

Rannygazoo

(2): chkflip, Andresvmb

PlusJoyed

(2): Titus, Luca Blight
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

DrippingGoofball (1):

MathBlade

quiet

(1):

Bypasser Catcher

NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (2): Binatog13, Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

twenty (adj., n.)

"1 more than nineteen, twice ten; the number which is one more than nineteen; a symbol representing this number;" Old English

twentig

"group of twenty," from

twegen

"two" (from PIE root

*dwo-

"two") +

-tig

"group of ten" (see

-ty

(1)). Cognate with Old Saxon

twentig

, Old Frisian

twintich

, Dutch

twintig

, Old High German

zweinzug

, German

zwanzig

. Gothic

twai tigjus

is even more transparent: literally "two tens."

The card game

twenty-one

(1790) is from French

vingt-et-un

(1781).

Twenty-twenty hindsight

is first recorded 1962, a figurative use of the Snellen fraction for normal visual acuity, expressed in feet. The guessing game of

twenty questions

is recorded from 1786 (a late 19c. parlor variation on it was called

clumps

).

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Hayker (6):

quiet

, NorwegianboyEE,

Rannygazoo

, Andresvmb, BBMolla,

Bypasser Catcher

[E-5]

Not_Mafia

(5):

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

,

MathBlade

, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball

PlusJoyed

(2): Titus, Luca Blight
Titus (1): PlusJOYE

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller

Bypasser Catcher

(1): Gamma Emerald

Rannygazoo

(1): chkflip
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

compete (v.)

1610s, " to enter or be put in rivalry with," from French

compéter

"be in rivalry with" (14c.), or directly from Late Latin

competere

"strive in common, strive after something in company with or together," in classical Latin "to meet or come together; agree or coincide; to be qualified," from

com

"with, together" (see

com-

) +

petere

"to strive, seek, fall upon, rush at, attack" (from PIE root

*pet-

"to rush, to fly").

According to OED, rare 17c., revived from late 18c. in sense "to strive (alongside another) for the attainment of something" and regarded early 19c. in Britain as a Scottish or American word. Market sense is from 1840s (perhaps a back-formation from

competition

); athletics sense attested by 1857. Intransitive use is by 1974. Related:

Competed; competing

.

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Hayker (7):

quiet

, NorwegianboyEE,

Rannygazoo

, Andresvmb, BBMolla,

Bypasser Catcher

, Gamma Emerald

[E-4]

Not_Mafia

(5):

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

,

MathBlade

, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball

PlusJoyed

(3): Titus, Luca Blight, chkflip
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

awake (v.)

"cease to sleep, come out of sleep," a merger of two Middle English verbs: 1.

awaken

, from Old English

awæcnan

(earlier

onwæcnan

; strong, past tense

awoc

, past participle

awacen

) "to awake, arise, originate," from a

"on" + wacan

"to arise, become awake;" and 2.

awakien

, from Old English

awacian

(weak, past participle

awacode

) "to awaken, revive; arise; originate, spring from," from a

"on" + wacian

"to be awake, remain awake, watch." For the first element, see

a

(1); the second element in both is common Proto-Germanic, from PIE root

*weg-

"to be strong, be lively."

Both originally were intransitive only; the transitive sense "arouse from sleep" generally being expressed by Middle English

awecchen

(from Old English

aweccan

) until later Middle English. In Modern English, the tendency has been to restrict the strong past tense and past participle (

awoke, awoken

) to the original intransitive sense and the weak inflection

(awaked

) to the transitive, but this never has been complete. For distinctions of usage, see

wake

(v.); also compare

awaken

.

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Not_Mafia

(5):

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

,

MathBlade

, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball

[E-6]

Hayker (5):

Rannygazoo

, Andresvmb, BBMolla,

Bypasser Catcher

, Titus

[E-6]

Nero Cain

(4): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip,

quiet

PlusJoyed

(1): Luca Blight
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

MathBlade

has requested replacement.

page (n.1)

"sheet of paper, one side of a printed or written leaf of a book or pamphlet," 1580s, from French

page

, from Old French

pagene

"page, text" (12c.), from Latin

pagina

"page, leaf of paper, strip of papyrus fastened to others," related to

pagella

"small page," from

pangere

"to fasten" (from PIE root

*pag-

"to fasten").

Earlier

pagine

(c. 1200), directly from Old French or Latin. The word is usually said to be from the notion of individual sheets of paper "fastened" into a book. Ayto and Watkins offer an alternative theory: vines fastened by stakes and formed into a trellis, which led to sense of "columns of writing on a scroll." When books replaced scrolls, the word continued to be used. Related:

Paginal

.

Page-turner

"book that one can't put down" is from 1974; earlier (by 1959) an apparatus or person who turns the pages of an open book, as for a performing musician.

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Nero Cain

(7): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip,

quiet

,

Bypasser Catcher

,

Nero Cain

, Luca Blight

[E-4]

Hayker (4):

Rannygazoo

, BBMolla, Titus,

Norfolk Boy1

Not_Mafia

(3):

MathBlade

, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller
Luca Blight (1): Andresvmb
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

top (n.1)

"highest point," Old English

top

"summit, crest, tuft," from Proto-Germanic

*toppa-

(source also of Old Norse

toppr

"tuft of hair," Old Frisian

top

"tuft," Old Dutch

topp

, Dutch

top

, Old High German

zopf

"end, tip, tuft of hair," German

Zopf

"tuft of hair"); no certain connections outside Germanic except a few Romanic words probably borrowed from Germanic.

Few Indo-European languages have a word so generic, which can be used of the upper part or surface of just about anything. More typical is German, which has

Spitze

for sharp peaks (mountains),

oberfläche

for the upper surface of flat things (such as a table). Meaning "highest position" is from 1620s; meaning "best part" is from 1660s. To go

over the top

is World War I slang for "start an attack," in reference to the top of the trenches; as "beyond reasonable limits, too far" it is recorded from 1968.

Top of the world

as "position of greatest eminence" is from 1670s.

Top-of-the-line

(adj.) is by 1950.

Official Votecount 1.18

Nero Cain

(7): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip,

quiet

,

Bypasser Catcher

, Luca Blight, Momrangal

[E-4]

Hayker (6):

Rannygazoo

, BBMolla, Titus,

Norfolk Boy1

, Andresvmb,

Nero Cain

Not_Mafia

(3):

MathBlade

, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Hayker

has been prodded

walk (v.)

"travel on foot," c. 1200, a merger of two verbs, 1. Old English

wealcan

"to toss, roll, move round" (past tense

weolc

, past participle

wealcen

), and 2.

wealcian

"to roll up, curl," from Proto-Germanic

*welk-

(source also of Old Norse

valka

"to drag about," Danish

valke

"to full" (cloth), Middle Dutch

walken

"to knead, press, full" (cloth), Old High German

walchan

"to knead," German

walken

"to full"), perhaps ultimately from PIE root

*wel-

(3) "to turn, revolve."

The shift in sense is perhaps from a colloquial use of the Old English word or via the sense of "to full cloth" (by treading on it), though this sense does not appear until after the change in meaning. In 13c. it is used of snakes and the passage of time, and in 15c. of wheeled carts. "Rarely is there so specific a word as NE

walk

, clearly distinguished from both

go

and

run

" [Buck]. Meaning "to go away" is recorded from mid-15c. Transitive meaning "to exercise a dog (or horse)" is from late 15c.; meaning "to escort (someone) in a walk" is from 1620s. Meaning "move (a heavy object) by turning and shoving it in a manner suggesting walking" is by 1890. To

walk it off

, of an injury, etc., is from 1741. Related:

Walked;

walking

.

Official Votecount 1.19

Nero Cain

(8): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip,

quiet

,

Bypasser Catcher

, Luca Blight, Momrangal,

Norfolk Boy1

[E-3]

Hayker (5):

Rannygazoo

, BBMolla, Titus, Andresvmb,

Nero Cain

Not_Mafia

(3):

MathBlade

, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

frustrate (v.)

mid-15c., from Latin

frustratus

, past participle of

frustrari

"to deceive, disappoint, make vain," from

frustra

(adv.) "in vain, in error," which is related to

fraus

"injury, harm," a word of uncertain origin (see

fraud

). Related:

Frustrated

; frustrating

.

Official Votecount 1.20

Nero Cain

(9): NorwegianboyEE, chkflip,

quiet

,

Bypasser Catcher

, Luca Blight, Momrangal,

Norfolk Boy1

, Binatog13,

Nero Cain

[E-2]

Hayker (5):

Rannygazoo

, BBMolla, Titus, Andresvmb, Gamma Emerald

Not_Mafia

(2):

MathBlade

, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

death (n.)

Old English

deaþ

"total cessation of life, act or fact of dying, state of being dead; cause of death," in plural, "ghosts," from Proto-Germanic

*dauthuz

(source also of Old Saxon

doth

, Old Frisian

dath

, Dutch

dood

, Old High German

tod

, German

Tod

, Old Norse

dauði

, Danish

død

, Swedish

död

, Gothic

dauus

"death"), from verbal stem

*dau-

, which is perhaps from PIE root

*dheu-

(3) "to die" (see

die

(v.)). With Proto-Germanic

*-thuz

suffix indicating "act, process, condition."

I would not that death should take me asleep. I would not have him meerly seise me, and onely declare me to be dead, but win me, and overcome me. When I must shipwrack, I would do it in a sea, where mine impotencie might have some excuse; not in a sullen weedy lake, where I could not have so much as exercise for my swimming. [John Donne, letter to Sir Henry Goodere, Sept. 1608]

Of inanimate things, "cessation, end," late 14c. From late 12c. as "death personified, a skeleton as the figure of mortality." As "a plague, a great mortality," late 14c. (in reference to the first outbreak of bubonic plague; compare

Black Death

).

Death's-head

, a symbol of mortality, is from 1590s.

Death's door

"the near approach of death" is from 1540s.

As a verbal intensifier "to death, mortally" (as in

hate (something) to death

) 1610s; earlier

to dead

(early 14c.). Slang

be death on

"be very good at" is from 1839. To

be the death

of "be the cause or occasion of death" is in Shakespeare (1596). Expression

a fate worse than death

is from 1810 though the idea is ancient.

Death row

"part of a prison exclusively for those condemned to capital execution" is by 1912.

Death knell

is attested from 1814;

death penalty

"capital punishment" is from 1844;

death rate

from 1859.

Death-throes

"struggle which in some cases accompanies death" is from c. 1300.

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Nero Cain

(11): NorwegianboyEE, chkflip,

quiet

,

Bypasser Catcher

, Luca Blight, Momrangal,

Norfolk Boy1

, Binatog13,

Nero Cain

, BBMolla,

Not_Mafia

[E-0]

Hayker (5):

Rannygazoo

, Titus, Andresvmb, Gamma Emerald

Not_Mafia

(2):

MathBlade

, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, an elimination has been achieved.

Day 2

morning (n.)

"first part of the day" (technically from midnight to noon), late 14c., a contraction of mid-13c.

morwenynge

,

moregeninge

, from

morn

,

morewen

(see

morn

) + suffix

-ing

, on pattern of

evening

. Originally the time just before sunrise.

As an adjective from 1530s; as a greeting by 1895, short for

good morning

.

Morning after

in reference to a hangover is from 1884; in reference to a type of contraception, attested by 1967.

Morning sickness

as a symptom of pregnancy is from 1793 (Old English had

morgenwlætung

).

Morning glory

, the twining plant, is from 1814, so called because the colorful trumpet-shaped flowers open only in the early morning.

Morning star

"Venus in the east before sunrise" is from 1530s (Old English had

morgensteorra

"morn-star").

Official Votecount 2.0

Anyone (0): Nobody

Not Voting (18): Titus, Vaxkiller, DrippingGoofball, Momrangal,

quiet

,

Bypasser Catcher

,

Rannygazoo

, Luca Blight, Binatog13,

Norfolk Boy1

, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, BBMolla, chkflip,

Not_Mafia

,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker, Andresvmb

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-01-25 03:05:00).

Hayker

has (expired on 2021-01-16 03:05:00) to post before I seek a replacement.

DrippingGoofball

and

PlusJoyed

have (expired on 2021-01-16 03:05:00) to post before receiving a prod.

*looks at time*

I'm totally gonna go to sleep after this I promise...

bed (n.)

Old English

bedd

"bed, couch, resting place; garden plot," from Proto-Germanic

*badja-

"sleeping place dug in the ground" (source also of Old Frisian, Old Saxon

bed

, Middle Dutch

bedde

, Old Norse

beðr

, Old High German

betti

, German

Bett

, Gothic

badi

"bed"), sometimes said to be from PIE root

*bhedh-

"to dig, pierce" (source also of Hittite

beda-

"to pierce, prick," Greek

bothyros

"pit," Latin

fossa

"ditch," Lithuanian

bedu, besti

"to dig," Breton

bez

"grave"). But Boutkan doubts this and writes, "there is little reason to assume that the Gmc. peoples (still) lived under such primitive circumstances that they dug out their places to sleep."

Both the sleeping and gardening senses are found in Old English; the specific application to planting is found also in Middle High German and is the only sense of Danish

bed

. Meaning "bottom of a lake, sea, or watercourse" is from 1580s. Geological sense of "a thick layer, stratum" is from 1680s.

Bed and board

"in bed and at the table" (early 13c.) was a term in old law applied to conjugal duties of man and wife; it also could mean "meals and lodging, room and board" (mid-15c.).

Bed-and-breakfast

in reference to overnight accommodations is from 1838; as a noun, in reference to a place offering such, by 1967.

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Norfolk Boy1

(3):

Not_Mafia

, DrippingGoofball, Titus

[E-7]

Titus (2): chkflip,

Bypasser Catcher

quiet

(1): Andresvmb

Not Voting (12): Vaxkiller, Momrangal,

quiet

,

Rannygazoo

, Luca Blight, Binatog13,

Norfolk Boy1

, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, BBMolla,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-01-25 03:05:00).

hammer (n.)

Old English

hamor

"hammer," from Proto-Germanic

*hamaraz

(source also of Old Saxon

hamur

, Middle Dutch, Dutch

hamer

, Old High German

hamar

,

German Hammer

). The Old Norse cognate

hamarr

meant "stone, crag" (it's common in English place names), and suggests an original sense of the Germanic words as "tool with a stone head," which would describe the first hammers. The Germanic words thus could be from a PIE

*ka-mer-

, with reversal of initial sounds, from PIE

*akmen

"stone, sharp stone used as a tool" (source also of Old Church Slavonic

kamy

, Russian

kameni

"stone"), from root

*ak-

"be sharp, rise (out) to a point, pierce."

As a part of a firearm, 1580s; as a part of a piano, 1774; as a small bone of the ear, 1610s. Figurative use of "aggressive and destructive foe" is late 14c., from similar use of French

martel

, Latin

malleus

. To go at it

hammer and tongs

"with great violence and vigor" (1708) is an image from blacksmithing (the tongs hold the metal and the hammer beats it).

Hammer and sickle

as an emblem of Soviet communism attested from 1921, symbolizing industrial and agricultural labor.

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Norfolk Boy1

(8):

Not_Mafia

, DrippingGoofball, Titus, chkflip, Andresvmb,

Rannygazoo

, Momrangal,

quiet

[E-2]

Titus (1):

Bypasser Catcher

Luca Blight (1):

Norfolk Boy1

chkflip (1): BBMolla

Not Voting (7): Vaxkiller, Luca Blight, Binatog13, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-01-25 03:05:00).

@Mod I’m VLA until Sunday

Got it

time (n.)

Old English

tima

"limited space of time," from Proto-Germanic

*timon-

"time" (source also of Old Norse

timi

"time, proper time," Swedish

timme

"an hour"), from PIE

*di-mon-

, suffixed form of root

*da-

"to divide."

Abstract sense of "time as an indefinite continuous duration" is recorded from late 14c. Personified at least since 1509 as an aged bald man (but with a forelock) carrying a scythe and an hour-glass. In English, a single word encompasses time as "extent" and "point" (French

temps/fois

, German

zeit/mal

) as well as "hour" (as in "what time is it?" compare French

heure

, German

Uhr

). Extended senses such as "occasion," "the right time," "leisure," or

times (v.)

"multiplied by" developed in Old and Middle English, probably as a natural outgrowth of such phrases as "He commends her a hundred times to God" (Old French

La comande a Deu cent foiz

).

to have a good time

( = a time of enjoyment) was common in Eng. from c 1520 to c 1688; it was app. retained in America, whence readopted in Britain in 19th c. [OED]

Time of day

(now mainly preserved in negation, i.e. what someone won't give you if he doesn't like you) was a popular 17c. salutation (as in "Good time of day vnto your Royall Grace," "Richard III," I.iii.18), hence

to give (one) the time of day

"greet socially" (1590s); earlier was

give good day

(mid-14c.).

The times "

the current age" is from 1590s.

Behind the times

"old-fashioned" is recorded from 1831.

Times

as the name of a newspaper dates from 1788.

Time warp

first attested 1954;

time-traveling

in the science fiction sense first recorded 1895 in H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine."

Time capsule

first recorded 1938, in reference to the one "deemed capable of resisting the effects of time for five thousand years preserving an account of universal achievements embedded in the grounds of the New York World's fair."

Jones [archaeologist of A.D. 5139] potters about for a while in the region which we have come to regard as New York, finds countless ruins, but little of interest to the historian except a calcified direction sheet to something called a "Time Capsule." Jones finds the capsule but cannot open it, and decides, after considerable prying at the lid, that it is merely evidence of an archaic tribal ceremony called a "publicity gag" of which he has already found many examples. [Princeton Alumni Weekly, April 14, 1939]

To do time

"serve a prison sentence" is from 1865.

Time frame

is attested by 1964;

time-limit

is from 1880.

About time

, ironically for "long past due time," is recorded from 1920. To

be on time

is by 1854 in railroading.

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Norfolk Boy1

(10):

Not_Mafia

, DrippingGoofball, Titus, chkflip, Andresvmb,

Rannygazoo

, Momrangal,

quiet

, BBMolla, Luca Blight

[E-0]

Titus (1):

Bypasser Catcher

Luca Blight (1):

Norfolk Boy1

Not Voting (6): Vaxkiller, Binatog13, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker

With 18 players alive, an elimination has been achieved.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-01-25 03:05:00).

Day 3

sun (n.)

Old English

sunne

"the sun," from Proto-Germanic

*sunno

(source also of Old Norse, Old Saxon, Old High German

sunna

, Middle Dutch

sonne

, Dutch

zon

, German

Sonne

, Gothic

sunno

"the sun"), from PIE

*s(u)wen-

, alternative form of root

*sawel-

"the sun."

Old English

sunne

was feminine (as generally in Germanic), and the fem. pronoun was used in English until 16c.; since then masc. has prevailed. The empire

on which the sun never sets

(1630) originally was the Spanish, later the British. To

have one's place in the sun

(1680s) is from Pascal's "

Pensées

"; the German imperial foreign policy sense (1897) is from a speech by von Bülow.

Official Votecount 3.0

Anyone (0): Nobody

Not Voting (16): Titus, Vaxkiller, DrippingGoofball, Momrangal,

quiet

,

Rannygazoo

, Luca Blight, Binatog13, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, BBMolla, chkflip,

Not_Mafia

,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker, Andresvmb

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-01-27 16:20:00).

PlusJoyed

has (expired on 2021-01-18 16:20:00) to post before receiving a prod.

rise (v.)

Old English

risan

"to rise, rise from sleep, get out of bed; stand up, rise to one's feet; get up from table; rise together; be fit, be proper" (usually

arisan

; a class I strong verb; past tense

ras

, past participle

risen

), from Proto-Germanic

*us-rīsanan

"to go up" (source also of Old Norse

risa

, Old Saxon

risan

, Gothic

urreisan

"to rise," Old High German

risan

"to rise, flow," German

reisen

"to travel," originally "to rise for a journey").

It is attested from c. 1200 in the senses of "move from a lower to a higher position, move upward; increase in number or amount; rise in fortune, prosper; become prominent;" also "rise from the dead." The meaning "come into existence, originate; result (from)" is by mid-13c. From early 14c. as "rebel, revolt;" also "occur, happen, come to pass; take place." Related to

raise

(v.). Related:

Rose

;

risen

.

Official Votecount 3.1

Not_Mafia

(6): Andresvmb, DrippingGoofball, Hayker, BBMolla, chkflip, Momrangal
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Not Voting (9): Titus, Vaxkiller,

quiet

,

Rannygazoo

, Luca Blight, Binatog13, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald,

PlusJoyed

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-01-27 16:20:00).

set (v.)

Old English

settan

(transitive) "cause to sit, put in some place, fix firmly; build, found; appoint, assign," from Proto-Germanic

*(bi)satejanan

"to cause to sit, set" (source also of Old Norse

setja

, Swedish

sätta

, Old Saxon

settian

, Old Frisian

setta

, Dutch

zetten

, German

setzen

, Gothic

satjan

), causative form of PIE

*sod-

, a variant of root

*sed-

(1) "to sit." Also see

set

(n.2).

The intransitive sense from c. 1200, "be seated." The word was used in many disparate senses by Middle English; sense of "make or cause to do, act, or be; start" and that of "mount a gemstone" attested by mid-13c. Confused with

sit

since early 14c. Of the sun, moon, etc., "to go down," recorded from c. 1300, perhaps from similar use of the cognates in Scandinavian languages. To

set (something) on

"incite to attack" (c. 1300) originally was in reference to hounds and game.

Official Votecount 3.END

Not_Mafia

(9): Andresvmb, DrippingGoofball, Hayker, BBMolla, chkflip, Momrangal, NorwegianboyEE,

quiet

,

Not_Mafia

[E-0]

Not Voting (7): Titus, Vaxkiller,

Rannygazoo

, Luca Blight, Binatog13, Gamma Emerald,

PlusJoyed

With 16 players alive, an elimination has been achieved.

Day 4

town (n.)

Old English

tun

"enclosure, garden, field, yard; farm, manor; homestead, dwelling house, mansion;" later "group of houses, village, farm," from Proto-Germanic

*tunaz

,

*tunan

"fortified place" (source also of Old Saxon, Old Norse, Old Frisian

tun

"fence, hedge," Middle Dutch

tuun

"fence," Dutch

tuin

"garden," Old High German

zun

, German

Zaun

"fence, hedge"), an early borrowing from Celtic

*dunon

"hill, hill-fort" (source also of Old Irish dun, Welsh din "fortress, fortified place, camp," dinas "city," Gaulish-Latin

-dunum

in place names), from PIE

*dhu-no-

"enclosed, fortified place, hill-fort," from root

*dheue-

"to close, finish, come full circle" (see

down

(n.2)).

Meaning "inhabited place larger than a village" (mid-12c.) arose after the Norman conquest from the use of this word to correspond to French

ville

. The modern word is partially a generic term, applicable to cities of great size as well as places intermediate between a city and a village; such use is unusual, the only parallel is perhaps Latin

oppidium

, which occasionally was applied even to Rome or Athens (each of which was more properly an

urbs

).

First record of

town hall

is from late 15c.

Town ball

, version of baseball, is recorded from 1852.

Town car

(1907) originally was a motor car with an enclosed passenger compartment and open driver's seat.

On the town

"living the high life" is from 1712.

Go to town

"do (something) energetically" is first recorded 1933.

Man about town

"one constantly seen at public and private functions" is attested from 1734.

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Anyone (0): Nobody

Not Voting (14): Titus, Vaxkiller, DrippingGoofball, Momrangal,

quiet

, Luca Blight, Binatog13, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, BBMolla, chkflip,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker, Andresvmb

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

PlusJoyed

has (expired on 2021-01-21 01:50:00) to post before receiving a prod.

dawn (v.)

c. 1200,

dauen

, "to become day, grow light in the morning," shortened or back-formed from

dauinge

,

dauing

"period between darkness and sunrise," (c. 1200), from Old English

dagung

, from

dagian

"to become day," from Proto-Germanic

*dagaz

"day" (source also of German

tagen

"to dawn"), from PIE root

*agh-

"a day." Probably influenced by Scandinavian cognates (Danish

dagning

, Old Norse

dagan

"a dawning"). Related:

Dawned

;

dawning

.

Figurative sense "begin to develop" is from 1717. Of ideas, etc., "begin to become apparent or evident to the mind," by 1852.

Official Votecount 4.1

Luca Blight (1): Andresvmb

[E-7]

NorwegianboyEE (1): Momrangal

[E-7]

BBMolla (1): Luca Blight

[E-7]

chkflip (1):

quiet

[E-7]

PlusJoyed

(1): BBMolla

[E-7]

Not Voting (9): Titus, Vaxkiller, DrippingGoofball, Binatog13, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

VLA today

I haven't done VCA. I have been swamped with work and overgamed. I know I look bad. Just please give me a few days to properly do it. If you want to help, coloring the VCs would be great.

Got it

scissors (n.)

late 14c., sisoures, from Old French

cisoires

(plural) "shears," from Vulgar Latin

*cisoria

(plural) "cutting instrument," from

*cisus

(in compounds such as Latin

excisus

, past participle of

excidere

"to cut out"), ultimately from Latin

caedere

"to cut" (from PIE root

*kae-id-

"to strike").

The spelling was highly uncertain before 20c. The forms with

sc-

are from 16c., from influence of Medieval Latin

scissor

"tailor," in classical Latin "carver, cutter," from past participle stem of

scindere

"to split."

Usually with

pair of

(attested from c. 1400) when indication of just one is required, but a singular form without the

-s

occasionally was used (

cysowre

, mid-15c.). In Scotland,

shears

answers for all sizes, according to OED; but in England generally that word is used only for those too large to be worked by one hand. Sense in wrestling is from 1904.

Oh scissors!

was a 19c. exclamation of impatience or disgust (1843). In reference to a type of swimming kick, from 1902 (the image itself is from 1880s).

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BBMolla (3): Luca Blight, Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball

[E-5]

Hayker (2): Titus, BBMolla
Titus (1): NorwegianboyEE
Luca Blight (1): Andresvmb
NorwegianboyEE (1): Momrangal
Gamma Emerald (1): chkflip
chkflip (1):

quiet

Not Voting (4): Vaxkiller, Binatog13,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

--- snip ---

Also, consider me

V/la: for two days

I'm sick of mafia atm

Got it

coffee (n.)

"drink made from the ground and roasted seeds of a tree originally native to Arabia and Abyssinia," c. 1600, from Dutch

koffie

, from Turkish

kahveh

, from Arabic

qahwah

"coffee," which Arab etymologists connected with a word meaning "wine," but it is perhaps rather from the

Kaffa

region of Ethiopia, a home of the plant (coffee in Kaffa is called

būno

, which itself was borrowed into Arabic as

bunn

"raw coffee").

The early forms of the word in English indicate a derivation from Arabic or Turkish:

chaoua

(1598),

cahve

,

kahui

, etc. French

café

, German

Kaffe

are via Italian

caffè

.

The first coffee-house in Mecca dates to the 1510s; the beverage was in Turkey by the 1530s. It appeared in Europe c. 1515-1519 and was introduced to England by 1650. By 1675 the country had more than 3,000 coffee houses and coffee had replaced beer as a breakfast drink, but its use there declined 18c. with the introduction of cheaper tea. In the American colonies, however, the tax on tea kept coffee popular.

Meaning "a light meal at which coffee is served" is from 1774. As a shade or color resembling coffee, 1815.

Coffee-bean

is from 1680s.

Coffee-mill

is from 1690s;

coffee-spoon

is from 1703;

coffee-pot

is from 1705;

coffee-cup

is from 1762.

Coffee-shop

is from 1838.

Coffee-cake

is from 1850 as "cake in which coffee is an ingredient."

Coffee break

attested from 1952, at first often in glossy magazine advertisements by the Pan-American Coffee Bureau.

Did you drink a cup of coffee on company time this morning? Chances are that you did—for the midmorning coffee break is rapidly becoming a standard fixture in American offices and factories. [The Kiplinger Magazine, March 1952]

Official Votecount 4.3

BBMolla (3): Luca Blight, Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball

[E-5]

Luca Blight (2): Andresvmb, BBMolla
Titus (1): NorwegianboyEE
NorwegianboyEE (1): Momrangal
chkflip (1):

quiet

PlusJoyed

(1): chkflip
Hayker (1): Titus

Not Voting (4): Vaxkiller, Binatog13,

PlusJoyed

, Hayker

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

-ine (2)

word-forming element in chemistry, often interchangeable with

-in

(2), though modern use distinguishes them; early 19c., from French

-ine

, the suffix commonly used to form words for derived substances, hence its extended use in chemistry. It was applied unsystematically at first (as in

aniline

), but now has more restricted use.

The French suffix is from Latin

-ina

, fem. form of

-inus

, suffix used to form adjectives from nouns, and thus is identical with

-ine

(1).

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BBMolla (4): Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball, Hayker, Luca Blight

[E-4]

PlusJoyed

(3): chkflip, Titus, NorwegianboyEE
Luca Blight (2): Andresvmb, BBMolla
Titus (1): Momrangal
chkflip (1):

quiet

Not Voting (3): Vaxkiller, Binatog13,

PlusJoyed

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

caffeine (n.)

trimethyl-derivative of xanthine, 1830, from German

Kaffein

, coined by chemist F.F. Runge (1795-1867), apparently from German

Kaffee

"coffee" (see

coffee

) + chemical suffix

-ine

(2) (German

-in

). So called because the alkaloid was found in coffee beans; its presence accounts for the stimulating effect of coffee and tea. The form of the English word may be via French

caféine

. Related:

Caffeinic

.

Official Votecount 4.5

BBMolla (5): Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball, Hayker, Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE

[E-3]

PlusJoyed

(4): Titus, Momrangal, BBMolla, chkflip
Luca Blight (1): Andresvmb
chkflip (1):

quiet

Not Voting (3): Vaxkiller, Binatog13,

PlusJoyed

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

tea (n.)

1650s,

tay

, also in early spellings

thea

,

tey

,

tee

and at first pronounced so as to rhyme with

obey

; the modern pronunciation predominates from mid-18c. But earlier in English as

chaa

(1590s), also

cha

,

tcha

,

chia

,

cia

. The two forms of the word reflect two paths of transmission:

chaa

is from Portuguese

cha

, attested in Portuguese from 1550s, via Macao, from Mandarin (Chinese)

ch'a

(cf

chai

). The later form, which became Modern English

tea

, is via Dutch, from Malay

teh

and directly from Chinese (Amoy dialect)

t'e

, which corresponds to Mandarin ch'a.

The distribution of the different forms of the word in Europe reflects the spread of use of the beverage. The modern English form, along with French

thé

, Spanish

te

, German

Tee

, etc., derive via Dutch

thee

from the Amoy form, reflecting the role of the Dutch as the chief importers of the leaves (through the Dutch East India Company, from 1610). Meanwhile, Russian

chai

, Persian

cha

, Greek

tsai

, Arabic

shay

, and Turkish

çay

all came overland from the Mandarin form.

First known in Paris 1635, the practice of drinking tea was first introduced to England 1644. Meaning "afternoon meal at which tea is served" is from 1738. Slang meaning "marijuana" (which sometimes was brewed in hot water) is attested from 1935, felt as obsolete by late 1960s.

Tea ball

is from 1895.

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BBMolla (6): Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball, Hayker, Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE, BBMolla

[E-2]

PlusJoyed

(4): Titus, Momrangal, chkflip, Andresvmb
chkflip (1):

quiet

Not Voting (3): Vaxkiller, Binatog13,

PlusJoyed

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

chocolate (n.)

c. 1600, from Mexican Spanish

chocolate

, from Nahuatl (Aztecan)

chocola-tl

,"chocolate," and/or

cacahua-tl

"chocolate, chocolate bean." With

a-tl

"water." In the first form, the first element might be related to

xocalia

"to make something bitter or sour" [Karttunen]. Made with cold water by the Aztecs, with hot water by the Conquistadors, and the European forms of the word might have been influenced by Mayan

chocol

"hot." Brought to Spain by 1520, from there it spread to the rest of Europe. Originally a drink made by dissolving chocolate in milk or water, it was very popular 17c.

To a Coffee-house, to drink jocolatte, very good [Pepys, diary, Nov. 24, 1664].

As a paste or cake made of ground, roasted, sweetened cacao seeds, 1640s. As "a piece of chocolate candy," 1880s. As a dark reddish-brown color from 1776. The adjective is from 1723 as "made of or flavored with chocolate;" 1771 as "having the color of chocolate."

Chocolate milk

is by 1845.

Chocolate-chip

is from 1940.

Official Votecount 4.7

PlusJoyed

(6): Titus, Momrangal, chkflip, Andresvmb, BBMolla, DrippingGoofball

[E-2]

BBMolla (4): Gamma Emerald, Hayker, Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE
chkflip (1):

quiet

Not Voting (3): Vaxkiller, Binatog13,

PlusJoyed

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

twilight (n.)

"light from the sky when the sun is below the horizon at morning and evening," late 14c. (

twilighting

), a compound of

twi-

+

light

(n.) Cognate with Middle Flemish

twilicht

, Dutch

tweelicht

(16c.), Middle High German

twelicht

, German

zwielicht

. Exact connotation of

twi-

in this word is unclear, but it appears to refer to "half" light, rather than the fact that twilight occurs twice a day. Compare also Sanskrit

samdhya

"twilight," literally "a holding together, junction," Middle High German

zwischerliecht

, literally "tweenlight." Originally and most commonly in English with reference to evening twilight but occasionally used of morning twilight (a sense first attested mid-15c.). Figurative extension recorded from c. 1600.

Twilight zone

is from 1901 in a literal sense, a part of the sky lit by twilight; from 1909 in extended senses in references to topics or cases where authority or behavior is unclear. In the 1909 novel "In the Twilight Zone," the reference is to mulatto heritage. "She was in the twilight zone between the races where each might claim her ...." The U.S. TV series of that name is from 1959.

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PlusJoyed

(8): Titus, Momrangal, chkflip, Andresvmb, BBMolla, DrippingGoofball, Vaxkiller, NorwegianboyEE

[E-0]

BBMolla (3): Gamma Emerald, Hayker, Luca Blight
chkflip (1):

quiet

Not Voting (2): Binatog13,

PlusJoyed

With 14 players alive, an elimination has been achieved.

[Titus]

VCA methodology

1) Admit assumptions
a) All flips are accurate.
b) Titus is town.
c) Any mechanical clears would be outed at this point. (So if there's a hidden cop clear, it's not factored in.)

2) Grab the VCAs and color them.
a) All current known flips must be colored accurately. (No rationale such as X's reads really sucked so they were practically scum, so I'm coloring them in red.)
b) Optional but I almost never do it (exception mbos 10 but that's because I had inside mod information that made me have additional mod clears): Color in uncced PRs.

3) Establish assumptions. Scum behave with a goal in mind. Assumptions are what that goal should be.

a) Scum usually try to save their teammates.
a1) If they don't then the opposition wagon is a stronger PR
a2) If they don't and the opposition is not a stronger PR, it's a bus for towncred

b) Scum rarely lead wagons on their own

c) A fake guilty by scum is done to remove a voice they could not otherwise eliminate particularly if the slot is doomed anyway.
c1) A fake guilty means that a slot saved has some value to scum. (This means my day 1 reads should be treated like utter trash and Norfolk's should be treated with greater respect.
[Note: Day 1 notes need to be redone at this point.]

d) Wagons based off guilty claims have no VCA value as there is no threat to wagon anywhere else.

e) Repeating wagons have repeating results.
e1) This means the same names on a wagon that flipped town meet again, that wagon will likely flip town (or match what the scum want.)
e2) This means the same names on a wagon that flipped scum meet again, that wagon will be more likely to flip scum (or a townbeard that's useful to scum).

f) Be careful of the townbeard. The townbeard is someone who consistently acts proscum, even when scum wouldn't.
Example: There are 5 scumflips. A slot defended every single one. There's a decent chance that slot is the townbeard rather than scum.
Basically, the useful idiot.

[Titus]

Those are my basic assumptions, including some that are relevant to this game. I have to make assumptions to ascertain what scum's objective is at a given point at any point in the game. Without having enough data to make those assumptions, then VCA is nothing more than wagonomics. This is why I say VCA requires Day 3 with a scumflip. It's the amount of flips needed, at a bare minimum, to give VCA any predictive value. Sure, VCA can be done before that (and I have begrudingly), it just lacks any value. Sometimes, all that can be gathered is that X, Y and Z are the flips that need to happen.

Enough preamble, time to work.

[Titus]

UNVOTE: chkflip

I don't like my vote anymore after 1.7

[Titus]

The first VC that could possibly be out of RVS is 1.3

[selected VC 1.3]

MathBlade (5):

Binatog13,

Nero Cain,

chkflip, BBMolla, NorwegianboyEE [E-6]
Andresvmb (3):

Bypasser Catcher, Rannygazoo,

Vaxkiller

Here, we see there's two wagons. One on conftown. The other voted by two conftown. If Andres is town, I would put high odds on Vaxkiller being scum and vice versa. However, if the backend of the wagon on MathBlade's slot is totally town, then Andres and Vax could be TvT as scum would not be creating a counterwagon to save scum Andres but rather not caring at all which got wagoned.

[VC 1.4]
MathBlade (6): Binatog13, Nero Cain, chkflip, BBMolla, DrippingGoofball, Not_Mafia [E-5]
DrippingGoofball (3): Hayker, Momrangal, Gamma Emerald
Rannygazoo (2): Norfolk Boy1, NorwegianboyEE
Gamma Emerald (2): Andresvmb, Rannygazoo
Binatog13 (1): MathBlade,
Not_Mafia (1): Vaxkiller
Hayker (1): Titus
Andresvmb (1): Bypasser Catcher

I quoted the entirety of 1.4 to show that Not_Mafia moved onto Mathblade's slot after the disintegration of the Andres wagon, which is a null point in my belief that Andres is scum. Scum didn't really need to pile on Mathblade's slot since Ranny moved on his own and with Andres.

Official Votecount 1.7

PlusJoyed

(4): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus,

quiet

[E-7]

DrippingGoofball (3): Momrangal, NorwegianboyEE,

MathBlade

Not_Mafia

(3): Vaxkiller, Gamma Emerald,

Bypasser Catcher

MathBlade

(2):

Nero Cain

, BBMolla

Bypasser Catcher

(2):

Not_Mafia

, chkflip
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

Rannygazoo

(1):

Norfolk Boy1

Norfolk Boy1

(1):

Rannygazoo

Gamma Emerald (1): Andresvmb

Not Voting (2): Hayker, Binatog13

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

I highly doubt Vaxkiller and Gamma are scum here. It's far too early for where scum usually would be bussing Not_Mafia.
chkflip likely isn't scum because I don't see why two scum would pile on Bypasser Catcher with other options available. It is possible chkflip could be chainsawing the Bypass Catcher vote but it doesn't seem like a move scum need to make yet.

I don't really see Luca as scum here as scum would need something to jump onto to make Plus a counterwagon. I would have suspected quiet here if Plus was town, but quiet flipped town too. That begs the question... just what were scum doing at the time Not_Mafia's wagon got started?

My mind based off this VC goes to NorweiganboyEE, DGB, Andres, Molla, and Hayker as suspects.

[Titus]

That's... crazy detailed. Exactly why I use it (and I trust you to regardless of alignment give me a jumping point). But technically that post is IIoA. Heh.

Pedit: you're being very persnickety for someone who was counter offered.

I know whether Titus, Mom, quiet, and you are vanilla or not. In that order. My reads have followed that train if you'd like to go back and check. No crumbs, but before I knew there was whatever the fuck a Doctor Tracker is flip TOWN I'm very much in the camp that the Role Cop is scum.

I did say Mom was vanilla before she claimed it, though.

I said that at some point yesterday.

Vanilla Cop or neopolitan?

[Titus]

Official Votecount 1.8

Not_Mafia

(5): Gamma Emerald,

Bypasser Catcher

, NorwegianboyEE,

quiet

,

Nero Cain

[E-6]

PlusJoyed

(3): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus
DrippingGoofball (2): Momrangal,

MathBlade

MathBlade

(2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller

Bypasser Catcher

(2):

Not_Mafia

, chkflip
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

Rannygazoo

(1):

Norfolk Boy1

Norfolk Boy1

(1):

Rannygazoo

Gamma Emerald (1): Andresvmb

Not Voting (2): Hayker, Binatog13

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Official Votecount 1.9

Not_Mafia

(5): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE,

quiet

,

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

[E-6]

PlusJoyed

(4): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb
DrippingGoofball (2): Momrangal,

MathBlade

MathBlade

(2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller

Bypasser Catcher

(2):

Not_Mafia

, chkflip
Titus (1):

PlusJoyed

Norfolk Boy1

(1):

Rannygazoo

NorwegianBoyEE (1):

Bypasser Catcher

Not Voting (2): Hayker*, Binatog13

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

Norway switches wagons, then a bunch of town pile on. Andres changes to the other wagon. Given we know scum weren't trying for a massive bus, Andres's vote is unlikely to come from town. Doubly so in a Norweigan town universe as its trying to create momentum elsewhere.

I feel very confident based on these two VCs so far in calling a Noreweiganboy DGB Andres team.

[Titus]

Official Votecount 1.14

Hayker (6):

quiet

, NorwegianboyEE,

Rannygazoo

, Andresvmb, BBMolla,

Bypasser Catcher

[E-5]

Not_Mafia

(5):

Nero Cain

,

Norfolk Boy1

,

MathBlade

, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball

PlusJoyed

(2): Titus, Luca Blight
Titus (1): PlusJOYE

MathBlade

(1): Vaxkiller

Bypasser Catcher

(1): Gamma Emerald

Rannygazoo

(1): chkflip
NorwegianboyEE (1):

Not_Mafia

Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

VOTE: Andres

I don't see any universe where Andres is town under any PoV.

I don't think Bingatog is scum and that leaves the only possible scum on Not_Mafia is DGB.

That means scum likely preferred Hayker dead over NotMafia. Look who is in a later position again.

I could be wrong on NorweiganboyEE and DGB.

At least one of Andres/Molla

must be scum

I don't accept any other worldview.

[Titus]

Summary to EoD 1

Nero Cain's wagon might actually be purely town but for Not_Mafia. His wagon was so hard to drive because scum wouldn't feel the need to vote Nero.

If his wagon was started by scum (Norway in this case), it would have to be to save Hayker. Otherwise, scum Norway has no need to start up a wagon on town Nero when he has one on town Hayker unless he feared Not Mafia's wagon going through anyway, which doesn't seem supported by the start of the wagon.

Nero was voting Not_Mafia, so a chainsaw isn't totally out of the question though. Just seems inefficient unless Hayker is also scum.

I say it has to be Norway scum that starts the wagon flip because Gamma and chkflip are likely clear from the reasons above.

[Titus]

I keep reading N_M posts as BC posts before realizing it's not.

That avatar is hypnotic.

I'm switching horses here, because this flip will confirm a lead I want to pursue later.

VOTE: Nero

This right here was probably why Norfolkboy was guiltied. He couldn't pursue his lead and scum likely suspected he was an investigative PR.

[Titus]

I thought scum!flip was going to claim my role, since it's already been outed, and I was hoping he'd get caught with the wrong night choices.

I'm the lazy roleblocker.

N1 GE
N2 Norwegian
N3 quiet
N4 Momrangal

Here’s the thing, I highly doubt the lazy RB is town given the setup we have going here. We already have a town role watcher and town tracker (plus other stuff but tracker is what I find most notable) with presumably a universal backup to support those roles, and now chkflip claims vanilla cop. With that density of PRs scum are probably gonna have something to counteract that. Town also already had a sort of blocking role in the rolestopper.

So you're suspecting the lazy modifier would act as a Godfather of sorts if multitasking isn't a thing the scum roleblocker would already be lazy thus causing us to want to eliminate the rolestopper?

[Titus]

@DGB, Why didn't you block me but blocked Mom instead?

[Titus]

Ok I want reasons on all DGB's targets

[Titus]

I think Plusjoyed and BBMolla were T v T wagons, but I would want more flips to confirm.

There that's my VCA.

My pool is NorweiganboyEE, DGB, Andres, Molla, and Hayker
and if I'm wrong about that exclusively containing scum then it's in Mom but I doubt Mom is scum.

Everyone else I have a strong VCA reason to clear.

[Titus]

*Binatog should be in with the Mom line.

[Titus]

There's my work. It's now date night. TTYL.

[Titus]

Also on the Titus-VCA front I feel like Norway fits more as a townbeard than as scum based on noticed behaviors.

I kinda had myself slotted as the townbeard, particularly if Hayker is town.

[Titus]

You know, it is a possibility, and it would be great Scum play, that Gamma and Titus planned that angleshooty push on Cheeky towards the early part of the game. Like it might have always been the plan to execute the bus that way, and infiltrate the Town. But Gamma’s arguments have been

so good

against Cheeky. I just don’t understand how you can say “I think the Vanilla Cop is a good cover for the Role Cop” but then say that DGB looks worse. That makes no sense to me.

If I planned that angleshoot, why would I then be on every counter to the slot?

[Titus]

one shot strongman and rolecop

That's a pretty good scum team.

It's horrible. All the rolecop would do is show scum how botched they were. They need a method to bypass follow the investigators.

VOTE: DGB

[Titus]

Also on the Titus-VCA front I feel like Norway fits more as a townbeard than as scum based on noticed behaviors.

I kinda had myself slotted as the townbeard, particularly if Hayker is town.

Does Titus-VCA not have the possibility of multiple townbeards?

It's theoretically possible to have multiple townbeards, particularly if scum are fostering a T v T. I just don’t like it as a general rule.

[Titus]

I don’t see how the game is really a follow the investigators situation actually. The rolestopper is odd-night only so there’s no chance for a protection circle. The investigatives also aren’t that powerful imo.

The doctor just flipped.

[Titus]

If chkflip is town, that would create a powerful circle too.

[Titus]

The doctor that was also the most definitive investigative we have. Role watcher doesn’t do too much to directly catch scum imo.

Vanilla cop does particularly in a setup where they should be CCed. Eg, roleblocker and rolestopper should not both be town. Plus chkflip has that unclaimed modifier.

[Titus]

That is correct. There's a modifier but if you don't mind I'd rather I kept it to myself, tyvm.

Can you not see the reason I might be non-specific?

This.

[Titus]

Why should vanilla cop be CCed? Did you see quiet CCing NM ever? I think you’re woefully misjudging the power of the roles in this game. If I catch wind it’s willful there will be blood.

I am saying scum are running out of claims. Chkflip's role does nothing on its own but it does force scum to claim vt or pr honestly which forces them into spots where they can be cced like DGB and the rolestopper.

[Titus]

Norway is defending DGB here by trying to shift the pool and argue all the PR claims are true.

Norway DGB Andres Hayker Molla eliminate in there. Anything else is wrong.

[Titus]

Titus are you scum or are you really that bad?

My VCA says you and EE are scum. I stand by that.

I'll literally eat a hat if Andres is town though.

[Titus]

And then there's the fact that DGB's play has pinged me townie since the beginning of today.
I'd probably eliminate Chkflip before i'd even consider voting DBG. But honestly, it doesn't matter. As Titus has already been playing so scummy that they are 100% my preferred elimination at this point.

Nothing I have done is scummy. I just have been ignored on my primary desires. Plusjoyed was ok from a VCA perspective. Molla is probably town but looks bad after the quiet and Plusjoyed flips.

DGB said my VCA was to haphazard (she said slapdash or something like it) to take seriously and today she totally ignores it. DGB is just relying on people thinking I am scummy to coast.

If you're town, your noise isn't helping. That's why I think you're scum never intending on giving me a fair shake because you know the power of my VCA.

[Titus]

I seriously haven't been more sure about a read in my entire life. And my record for catching scum!Titus is quite good btw. Last time i knew they were scum in a large, but town flipped me instead and scum!Titus endgames. Second time town believed me in a newbie and we completely demolished the game and wiped scum on the floor.
This is it.

Would you sheep my VCA when shown wrong?

[Titus]

How about I legit am right?

[Titus]

what the fuck is happening

People are refusing to vote scum.

[Titus]

I am much more certain that chkflip is the scum rolecop than Titus being scum.

• He claimed vanilla cop, a role that is a
  subset
  of rolecop.
  
• He won't name his modifier and refuses to explain why.
  
• I have not noticed a list of all his night choices. Did I miss it?

He did list all his choices, and they sound better than yours.

I'd prefer that he list his modifier but it could help catch scum.

You're just trying to block town or lying about your target to clear a buddy after your flip.