Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[catboi]

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VOTE: Chara

[catboi]

Big FOS on all of you for not keeping the kawaii wave going.

[catboi]

That would be fun, but alas. I am town in this game

Same, I feel unloved by Hectic. (´；ω；`)

[catboi]

I only played one game with Hectic and I was town and died N1. ┐(‘～`；)┌

[catboi]

VOTE: Starcrossed

Immediate serious entrance from pooky pings.

[catboi]

I miller gambited once as scum, made it all the way to F3 but lost because I didn't think a claimed vig was an SK. I like the specificity of the claim but if ever there was a game to expect that sort of gambit in, it's this one, so I'm treating it as NAI.

[catboi]

Cat can be town

Why?

[catboi]

Cat can be scum

Glad we've established that Ican be both town or scum, but I'd still like an answer.

[catboi]

I liked cats stance on skitter. My first thought was a gambit to get FL to use his hug early, so cat keeping the claim at a distance was good.

But in true cat fashion they bit the hand that feeds q.q

I don't trust people who townread me early and I didn't see why you would >_>

[catboi]

yknow I like the crackpot theory from RCE

Meh, I'm not sure I buy someone actually thinking something so implausible.

[catboi]

Is this because you got picked? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[catboi]

I have several things wrong with my role and it also actually contradicts itself. I would say that this basically makes me informed of something but also apparently there's a ton of red herrings.

Hmm?


Also, how am I supposed to read you if I can't get Hectic's soulread on you?

[catboi]

Hectic I can't believe you didn't pick me
PEdit: oh dear god I'm not gonna be able to read like 90% of this game am I?

Why would you expect it?

[catboi]

Thought Gamma's entrance was a tad performative but that movement was way too fast and I don't vibe with most of the people voting there.

[catboi]

Thought Gamma's entrance was a tad performative but that movement was way too fast and I don't vibe with most of the people voting there.

Wait why is 3 votes way too fast

4, and I don't TR you unwnd or pooky. Not that I'd expect all of you to be scum, but...usually when someone gets jumped on so quickly for a weird intro, they're town and scum are looking to pile on suspicion, you know?

[catboi]

Also, this is kind of amazing because guess what...

I'M MOTHAFUCKINCONFTOWNBOON

people who been here a while should know that one.

Remember when I actually played games on Boonskiies?

Oh lawdy, this account was something else, hear me roar

I remember! I was just about to catch onto you as scum when I was cop. Then you killed me night 1.

[catboi]

catboi is so scum lol

Nah

[catboi]

You don't call the shots around here, I do.

You didn't call scum in your first post, I did.

And you can ask players like Titus/Venus, they'll see my logic.

skitter has a case of the Flava Fever, happens to everyone.

okay I'm dying ꉂ (′ ॢꇴ ॢ‵๑))

[catboi]

unwnd has left the church of effort-wall-posting and become a hyper-shitposter and found true happiness.

Yeah I drank from the fountain of youth and now I have blue hair and spend all my time on twitter

Twitter isn't for kids, it's for journalists and depressed grad students. The kids are all on tiktok and snapchat.

[catboi]

What's so great about alts, anyway

[catboi]

YDRASSSSSSSE

WHO ARE YOU

He's a character from black clover, his magic is teleportation magic

[catboi]

The fact firebringer isn't here when everyone but himself is shitposting

Speaks volumes btw

good point

[catboi]

Wait, actually, is it a good point? The implication being Firebringer'd be frozen and not enjoying himself enough to shitpost as scum, but I don't know if that's true. I just remember getting pissed off at him when he was new and didn't do anything as town.

[catboi]

i’ve only heard of black clover but never been inclined to watch it tbh

It's pretty average fightan shonen, nothing special. Most of the characters have one personality trait which they repeat constantly so you're reminded of what their gimmick is. Can see why that'd appeal to FL.

[catboi]

Wait, actually, is it a good point? The implication being Firebringer'd be frozen and not enjoying himself enough to shitpost as scum, but I don't know if that's true. I just remember getting pissed off at him when he was new and didn't do anything as town.

what do you mean frozen he straight up hasn't said anything

How do you distinguish that from not being here?

pedit: OH yeah also Firebringer scumclaimed in my only game with him where he was scum and openly talking with his partners about it in the main thread (this was upon a replace in). so yea

My point is unwnd's argument about FB not saying anything when everyone else is shitposting doesn't really hold up because I'm not sure that's really valid. Like, he's someone who actually likes being scum, supposedly, right? So him not talking wouldn't really be a scumtell.

[catboi]

i’ve only heard of black clover but never been inclined to watch it tbh

It's pretty average fightan shonen, nothing special. Most of the characters have one personality trait which they repeat constantly so you're reminded of what their gimmick is. Can see why that'd appeal to FL.

Nah, bruh, it got super good.

You just have to get past the beginning. It has one of the best shounen arcs in history, that retroactively makes everything before it aaaaahhhhmazing.

It's just incredibly fast paced, and it trusts the audience to know of typical shounen tropes so it just goes like 120 mph after ep 6, but like purposefully.

It's fine IMO, it definitely got more hate early on than it deserved. I'm current on the manga, just mostly find it lighthearted fun but nothing that blows me away.

okay so how many episodes is this

159 so far >_>

[catboi]

If you’re an anime from the 90s hmu

What about Escaflowne? Will you be my Hitomi Kanzaki this game~

[catboi]

If you’re an anime from the 90s hmu

What about Escaflowne? Will you be my Hitomi Kanzaki this game~

i don’t know what this MEAns BUT SURE

[catboi]

can someone help me find a new anime to watch? bonus points if it's long, please i'm in a content desert

Legend Of The Galactic Heroes. Can't beat 110 episodes of sci-fi political drama for length.

My meme answer is Ginga Nagareboshi Gin, but I don't know how much anyone besides me would be into an insane show from the 80s about dogs fighting bears

[catboi]

holy fuck i love this? hello?

pkay im down yes i am now in on this this hit every marker inside of me that lives for certain aesthetics im going feral

its so good :3

[catboi]

Chara is noty scum.

Back off. I can't endorse a gamethrow here.

Okay, this is a little too far, I'm going to be legit confused by this.

[catboi]

i don't remember it tbh

the whole Gamma Emerald wagon is incredibly suspicious. I think we should focus in there.

Starcrossed is also a possibility.

That was what I was trying to say before the anime derail.

[catboi]

Tweetie's opening was townish. Beyond that I don't have anything.

[catboi]

The only draft analysis I'm going to make is that Lunar Martian is probably town.

[catboi]

The only draft analysis I'm going to make is that Lunar Martian is probably town.

Why?

Brand new player, completely unknown, unlikely pick. Also what skitter said.

[catboi]

I didn't think the game was that fluffy when Tweet started posting anyway. I did think unwnd stopping the anime derail was worthy of townpoints, I think in most instances there weebscum are going to continue fluffing and nonweebscum would lurk it out, commonality is scum would be okay with avoiding serious discussion

[catboi]

The ones about Pooky being scum kinda

I feel I just disagree, I legitimately believe that he is trying to be scummy as town

Insane I know but true, felt like you were pushing the wrong narrative against my own

I feel like if he wanted to be scummy he'd be acting different, if anything him going gameface and throwing out early reads looked like attempting to be town. Where do you think he's trying to be scummy?

[catboi]

The ones about Pooky being scum kinda

I feel I just disagree, I legitimately believe that he is trying to be scummy as town

Insane I know but true, felt like you were pushing the wrong narrative against my own

I feel like if he wanted to be scummy he'd be acting different, if anything him going gameface and throwing out early reads looked like attempting to be town. Where do you think he's trying to be scummy?

Generally speaking? All of his early posts are really scummy, but part of me is psyched because of the setup

Feel like Pooky would just troll as town just to spite Flavor Leaf for picking him (or maybe I'm projecting)

FL doesn't pick the town, though, the mod does. And I'm not sure I actually understand this.

[catboi]

I feel like if he wanted to be scummy he'd be acting different, if anything him going gameface and throwing out early reads looked like attempting to be town. Where do you think he's trying to be scummy?

why would I want to be scummy?

I don't know, ask unwnd, it's his theory, not mine.

[catboi]

the other thing bugging me about skitter is how much she's been focusing on FL so far. that read is a little dependent on how much skitter's townplay relies on finding obvtown/conftown and trying to work with them.

Every take you post just makes me more and more worried. I don't see skitter as having interacted overly with flavor leaf at all, I think she's spoken about a number of people and this feels like a misrepresentation of her play.

[catboi]

(@ catboi and whoever?)

Ok yeah skitts asks FL for his read on her, and they have an exchange about the serenity of the current gamestate, and then she initiates more talk on FL's draft speculation around her i think

i dont think it's unfair to note she interacts with FL a lot, i can already see she initiated at least 3 interactions one of which was literally asking for his read on her. I don't really mind it too much but i dont think this is a misrep by Chara

The exact wording was that "how much [skitter]'s been focusing on FL so far" was "bugging" Chara which felt like it was magnifying that small section of her interacting with him and attributing disproportionate importance to it, like it was looking for something to zoom in on and call suspect rather than taking a broader view

[catboi]

is it bizarre that i think mt/chara could be svs?

Ehh, feels reachy

[catboi]

Catboi, can you look into RCE for me?

Sure.

This is a small thing, but putting early doubt on the miller claim with 67, I feel like when there is an early negative utility claim (e.g. miller, ascetic), scum try to put doubt on it because they don't want someone getting a townpass off a claim.

So, I felt like the townread on me in 76 was a bit premature, and when I asked him about it, he just reversed it in 89, I didn't really get what was going on there, and the explanation in 98 didn't really clear things up. I also think the rabbit hole he's going down of speculating on roles that work bassed on player list positioning there and in 122 feels like the sort of baseless spec a scum player might slip into to give the appearance of producing content without doing actual solving because it doesn't go anywhere.

The "don't kill me n1" comment in 79 is a bit performative too, I'm not sure why he'd ever expect to get nightkilled n1 particularly when he's remarking on how amazing the playerlist is. Feels more like something someone attempting to towntell says than a real thought.

Response to skitter in 150 looks kind of gut towny on tone, though.

After that breaks into filler talk for a while. I don't understand the Ydrasse read in 550 (to me nothing she's done leaves an impression), or how me being sassy equates to me being probably town. Other posts are meh. I could see this as scum on a gut level in that his posts are "off" but I probably couldn't make a real case on him.

[catboi]

I don’t think SC is scum here. Pooky tonally feels town to me.

Explain?

[catboi]

VOTE: Venus Mars and Pluto

I waas thinking about it and something feels off about those posts.

[catboi]

what if Hectic picked you so Nancy doesn't go beastmode on the scumteam? what then, Auro?

Doesn't make sense from a cost-benefit standpoint. There are many competent town players and a three-head hydra with Nancy and me is

probably

going to be easy to catch; to optimize win chances you'd rather just pick a known reliable scum player. To optimize fun... it's more fun with Nancy going beastmode is what I feel, and would guess what Hectic also feels

you're allowed, but you're not doing that with your own hydra. you know if Hectic picked you or not, it's not making a guess based on probability.

I'm making a case at the

prior

probability, not whether I was actually picked. While my knowledge of the ultimate outcome may bias me, everyone knows that - the reasoning should hold up independently though, no?

Right but applying them to defend yourself with no pressure is icky. Suggesting other slots Hectic might not pick is fine.

So do you agree with the assessment itself, regardless of how ick my bringing it up was?

@Captain Kirk: It is

the

Nancy. Nancy Drew 39, yup.

-Pluto (Auro)

Do you have thoughts on players that aren't yourself? Because it looks like a lot of your posts are just arguing about why you wouldn't get picked.

[catboi]

Also re: coffee, just made myself a cup in my french press. Label says it's supposed to have flavor notes of apple, papaya, tangerine, and walnut~

[catboi]

I guess I'm just not girly enough (▰︶︹︺▰)

[catboi]

Do you have thoughts on players that aren't yourself? Because it looks like a lot of your posts are just arguing about why you wouldn't get picked.

Haven't read most of the game , will give you town points for telling me anything important I should know

-Pluto (Auro)

skitter and tweet both claimed miller, some people jumped on Gamma for his opening where he complained about not being picked, right now there's some suspicion on Chara and Tweet. I just haven't really liked Chara's perspective on things so far, with Tweet I'm not really sure what it is? What I'm getting is that people are saying she isn't as happy as she's supposed to be or something. Now a bunch of people are doing draft spec and I don't really know anyone well enough to be involved in that sort of guessing game. Also I miiight have started a big derail about anime >_>;

[catboi]

I'm looking at the player list and just realized all these alts posting is going to make looking for who's coasting a pain in the butt. That said, could definitely see Dannflor as scum who's been under the radar so far.

[catboi]

I've got Ydrasse, Unwnd, Skitter, Starcrossed as town so far.

Why Ydrasse and Starcrossed, if you don't mind me asking?

[catboi]

I've got Ydrasse, Unwnd, Skitter, Starcrossed as town so far.

Why Ydrasse and Starcrossed, if you don't mind me asking?

There interactions are kinda weird coming from scum, and with Starcrossed, I felt they were genuinely around to talk about stuff, but happy to fluff post, and I think that's town indicative of Pooky.

All right, thanks. I wasn't seeing where the reads on Ydrasse were coming from. I actually felt like pooky has been less fluffy that I normally expect but the one post where he said he's basically trolling or something to that effect made me reconsider.

[catboi]

Just gonna write chk and gamma off as town

[catboi]

damn, catboi.

dont do this to me.

I was on the verge of town reading you.

I think you're scum now.

Well, I'm not. *shrug*

Was it my response to you?

[catboi]

I just see the possibility of you getting those claws, and trying to subtly have a sense of game control.

I don't really think what I'm doing is close to how I'd try to get game control, if anything I've been pretty laid back so far. I just wanted your perspective on those reads because I know it's an honest one and that factors in to how I read people, if that makes sense.

Really, the Gamma Emerald early was pretty bad.

Eh, I don't think so? The way he's coming in now and looking at people seems to be all from his own perspective, it looks like legitimate sorting rather than faking reads

[catboi]

Eh?
I’m not really in a mental state to decipher code, please talk plainly if me getting it is intended

I missed a word.

The Gamma Emerald *wagon early was really bad.

Oh, that's what you mean? But I said the same thing. Like, I initially questioned him because it was ~weird~ but then there was this jump on him that didn't feel natural. The votes there were unwnd, dannflorr, tweet, and starcrossed, at the time I didn't townread him but I've come around to seeing unwnd as town, I could buy Dann as opportunist scum there.

[catboi]

DANNFLOR BAD VOTE ALL TIME NAI

YOU DANNFLOR CASE THE BOWLSHET

I think you're overreacting. Do you even know the context of what I'm talking about?

[catboi]

NO

I think you're overreacting. Do you even know the context of what I'm talking about?

DO NOT BE THE INSULT I BE NICE

HOW OVERREAC IF ALL POST CAPS YOU FIBBYBOI MORE LIKE

OK

OK

SO YOU SAY

THESE FOUR VOTE THE CHEEKY BAD VOTE BECAUSE TIMING

OK

YES

OK

THEN YOU SAY DANNFLOR VOTE CHEEKY BAD VOTE BUT I SAY DANNFLOR VOTE ALWAYS CHEEKY BAD NO-SCUM INDIC

OK

YOU UNDERSTAND NOW FIBBYBOI OR NO I BREAK YOUR BACK

oookay. I get what you're saying.

Hectic I can't believe you didn't pick me
PEdit: oh dear god I'm not gonna be able to read like 90% of this game am I?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: gamma

second question, was this common knowledge? i'm surprised by the amount of "can't believe Hectic didn't pick meeeee" jokes when the very first thing that happens is the mod removing two players from being able to be drafted.

Me too, although i thought it was because everyone hated playing scum! i was expecting more of the "THANK GOD HE DIDN'T PICK ME" vibe, but maybe that's just cause i had myself and Noraa on my mind. Still, it is really interesting to me

pedit: VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

easiest scum elim of my life

Do you think all these posts come from town?

[catboi]

i'm also really confused why you're drawing a relationship between gamma and your wagon; the gamma wagon happeened like 30+ pages ago and has like nothing to do with your wagon as far as i can tell.

Several people jumped onto both within minutes but you don’t think that means anything?

That's not actually true, the only commonality between the two is unwnd, who I'm not scumreading. I don't even disagree with the idea about gamma voters but this whole thing about the votes being a conspiracy against you seems to be ignoring the actual reason people are voting you?

Anyway, can I ask you, how much have you spoken with your other heads about the game?

[catboi]

Why are they voting me then if the Gamma wagon was all town? Because all I said was I was thinking of voting one of the Gamma voters and BAM, suddenly 4 votes on me.

I'm pretty sure that's not why anyone is voting you...

[catboi]

Why are they voting me then if the Gamma wagon was all town? Because all I said was I was thinking of voting one of the Gamma voters and BAM, suddenly 4 votes on me.

I'm pretty sure that's not why anyone is voting you...

Well tell me then because that’s exactly what it looks like to me.

I was voting you well before that because your entrance defending pooky felt off to me, it just felt like a very random thing to enter the thread commenting on that felt more like an obligatory comment of something game-related to appear productive than a real thought. After that I didn't like how auro came in with the opposite take on starcrossed and spent most of his posts talking about how you wouldn't be a draft pick.

unwnd voted you when you were talking about your role unprompted, chk seems to have also voted you for doing that, skitter says she finds auro's posting scummy. None of it is for the gamma thing.

[catboi]

What Auro said wasn’t entirely different than Ydrasse and I explained I thought Pooky was town based off of tone. So why is that scummy? And why does Auro having a different read than me scummy? He has had very little experience playing with Pooky but I have lots. Why is any of this scummy? Assuming all votes on me are from town - doubt - you guys are going to lose a lot of games if you don’t figure out how to make better reads.

We’re not scum here but you’re obviously going to say why couldn’t I also say that as scum too? Again I could answer because I’m not and I will continue to be disbelieved.

It wasn't the fact that you said it but the timing of you showing up and mentioning only that and then vanishing. It felt like there was no connection between you two posting, to arrive in the thread with entirely different takes, it felt like you were acting as separate entities where I'd expect a town hydra to have a little more sync between the heads.

Ehh, you're making me waver though.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dannflor

[catboi]

damn, catboi.

dont do this to me.

I was on the verge of town reading you.

I think you're scum now.

PRAISE JEEEBUS OUR LORD FLAVOR LEAF HAS SEEN THE LIGHT UNLEASH THE HAMMER OF GOD UPON THIS HEATHEN SCUM

Okay, you've been tunneling me since page 1 and I don't understand it. You said you think Hectic would pick me to be a deepwolf, why do you think that's the case when there's people here whose scumgames he's vastly more familiar with, and who are much more experienced than me? My last scumgame here was in 2015. You just seem to be calling everything I do or say scummy for no reason and I don't understand it.

[catboi]

What Auro said wasn’t entirely different than Ydrasse and I explained I thought Pooky was town based off of tone. So why is that scummy? And why does Auro having a different read than me scummy? He has had very little experience playing with Pooky but I have lots. Why is any of this scummy? Assuming all votes on me are from town - doubt - you guys are going to lose a lot of games if you don’t figure out how to make better reads.

We’re not scum here but you’re obviously going to say why couldn’t I also say that as scum too? Again I could answer because I’m not and I will continue to be disbelieved.

It wasn't the fact that you said it but the timing of you showing up and mentioning only that and then vanishing. It felt like there was no connection between you two posting, to arrive in the thread with entirely different takes, it felt like you were acting as separate entities where I'd expect a town hydra to have a little more sync between the heads.

Ehh, you're making me waver though.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dannflor

Why would you expect a town hydra not to have dissonance? I think it’s NAI actually. Titus will definitely tell you that.

It's not the dissonance but the fact that there was seemingly no regard for what the other head was doing or thinking, where in general I would expect some amount of communication? That was my thought at the time anyway.

[catboi]

Okay, you've been tunneling me since page 1 and I don't understand it. You said you think Hectic would pick me to be a deepwolf, why do you think that's the case when there's people here whose scumgames he's vastly more familiar with, and who are much more experienced than me? My last scumgame here was in 2015. You just seem to be calling everything I do or say scummy for no reason and I don't understand it.

I share one soul with Hectic so I know exactly what scum team he picked

That's not an answer.

[catboi]

That's not an answer.

how is that not an answer?

I'm tryin to figure out whether the idea that

I

would somehow be a ~deepwolf~ pick is a real thought you have or if you've just been trying to fuck with me since the start of the game

[catboi]

I'm tryin to figure out whether the idea that I would somehow be a ~deepwolf~ pick is a real thought you have or if you've just been trying to fuck with me since the start of the game

I'd pick you to deepwolf

Why?

[catboi]

cuz nobody would expect it :3

Well that's very cute, but why does it make me scum this game? (also I feel like I've probably forgotten how to play scum, most games these days I feel like I can barely play town :<)

I guess in a hypothetical world where I was drafting from this list, I'd put myself as a middle of the pack sort of player, which is exactly where I'd try drafting - the heavy hitters are too obvious, and the wifom picks of players who don't like playing scum don't work out because they can't hide how uncomfortable they are in their own skin. So from that perspeective I'd imagine I might be a good pick. But I can't really defend against that argumentation and it does no help to paint everything I do as scummy on that reasoning. It doesn't feel like a legitimate attempt to sort me.

[catboi]

But in true cat fashion they bit the hand that feeds q.q

I don't understand understand this part or why you ended up flipping the read

understand understand understand

yknow I like the crackpot theory from RCE

I think Dann is probably town, another reason why I like RCE’s read on Titus.

You were expressing that you think there's scum in the early mini-wagon on Gamma, if you don't think it's Dann, who do you think it is? None of those posts look particularly townie to me.

[catboi]

Okay? That doesn't answer my question about the gamma votes.

[catboi]

Okay? That doesn't answer my question about the gamma votes.

I may be wrong on that unless I’m incorrectly reading someone. Hectic knows me really well and he could be telling his team to pocket me because he knows I eat up pockets.

@CB I suppose it’s possible I’m wrongly tr Dann for that. I just don’t see what you find particularly scummy about his posting?

Okay, when you were getting voted, iyou were freaking out about how it was a conspiracy about how you were on to one of the gamma voters being scum, but now that I ask you to name who, you just say you might be wrong? Like...what??
｢(ﾟ<ﾟ)ﾞ??

I get gut vibes on dannflor's posts, that they weren't really ~challenging~, just one-liners that felt surface-y and like I said, I feel like gamma's intro was a really easy thing to hop on and vote him for.

Flavor Leaf I already solved your game

the bad guys are:

catboi chara tweetie and um I didnt find the 4th one but they should concede after we elim the first 3

I think this makes Starcrossed Town.

This game is very hard to read from page 50 since it's a lot of deep meta being thrown around. I'm a bit lost. That said, I think the astronomy hydra is Town. Also think that unwnd is Town.

Why does that make starcrossed town?

[catboi]

Eh, yeah, screw it, I'm VT. Enough people have claimed stuff already.

[catboi]

xtoxm is pinging me as scum

also hi xtoxm!!!!!

Explain?

Eh, yeah, screw it, I'm VT. Enough people have claimed stuff already.

"Someone claim VT in the game thread first, go" - Hectic

Oh no!! (´；Д；｀)

[catboi]

Idk his entrance feels like what i would expect ti see of scum!him

Can you explain this in a way that someone who's never played with him might understand?

[catboi]

Anyone wanna throw me a good old old-fashioned case (doesn't have to be very long) on why Chara is obvscum because I really don't see it?

Catboi? Anyone?

I don't have an obvscum read on Chara. I have a general feeling of concern because I haven't been been vibing with much of what they've been saying. I don't have specifics right now. It's not enough for me to vote there on day 1. ( ･᷄ㅂ･᷅ )

[catboi]

Catboi
Skitter30
Xtoxm
MT
Starcrossed
Dannflor

I'm biased but I don't really understand where pooky's push on me is coming from and every time he has to justify it he just gives meme reasoning and it doesn't feel like it's in good faith at all

[catboi]

I'm biased but I don't really understand where pooky's push on me is coming from and every time he has to justify it he just gives meme reasoning and it doesn't feel like it's in good faith at all

this is the totality of my read on you:


"I share a soul with Hectic"

"I would definitely pick catboi in this PList"

->

"Hectic would definitely pick Catboi in this Plist"

->

"Catboi must be scum!"

Okay but you keep implying you're scumreading my posts but whenever someone like Nancy asks you about it you just dodge answering

[catboi]

pooky do u remember that time we played catboi and he was town? i think he's playing the same way here

I don't believe we've played before? I played with Pooky in Chara's Folly and that was it. Well, there was also a marathon game where I was scum but it was a screwy 4 person Ircher setup so I don't think it really counts for anything.

[catboi]

ok
why have his recent posts been town indicative for him?

i think that catboi might look like surface-level flipbait-y a bit (or kinda? like he's on a different wavelength) but i think he's earnestly trying to sort the game so i townread him

thanks. for whatever reason i liked his post talking about how pooky's read on him didn't feel real. it's possible it's just because it reminded me of the last game i played with the two of them, where kitty was town.

is he usually a little flipbaity? my impression of catboi was that he's making sense but not really in a way that feels towny to me, but depending on the player that thought could be crap.

Half my games this year I've been a wagon for no discernible reason and had no good way to deal with the pressure, the other half everyone just decided I was town, and I don't really know what the difference was. I just know I haven't handled pressure well at all and so was trying to be a little less aggressive this game.

[catboi]

Back off from catboi. I have a solid TR on him and the pushes on him are crap. My VCA will show him as town on Day 4.

*sees hydra town casing their partner*

*glares*

afsgdjdjkdd i really thought this was Titus

I said it earlier, it's really annoying, the joke alts are fine but that one feels like it's going too far.

[catboi]

Also, I don't scumread Chara as much anymore after looking back at their ISO

[catboi]

pooky do u remember that time we played catboi and he was town? i think he's playing the same way here

I don't believe we've played before? I played with Pooky in Chara's Folly and that was it. Well, there was also a marathon game where I was scum but it was a screwy 4 person Ircher setup so I don't think it really counts for anything.

was on a SeCrEt HyDrA
which now that i think abt it wasn't with pooky, it was the other SeCrEt HyDrA i played this year i think
with the other partner in this game too and they probably don't care if i burn it at this point lol

Oh wait, the upick? oh god. I hate even thinking about that game

[catboi]

goddammit

[catboi]

Oh wait, the upick? oh god. I hate even thinking about that game

no not a upick
although i just took a quick look and apparently i wasn't townreading you through most of it at the time as strongly as i remember townreading you but eh

the other head is in this game too and if he's cool with outing it i'll out it

Oh, the other one. I actually thought I was fairly townread in that one aside from a few flashes of lategame paranoia but I know what you mean now. I forgot about that hydra. I've been pressured way worse in my other games

[catboi]

what

[catboi]

Okay but you keep implying you're scumreading my posts but whenever someone like Nancy asks you about it you just dodge answering

i am very good at dodging

wait which posts exactly do you want me to talk about though

You were posting a bunch and then when she asked you about your read on me in 1451 you just vanished. Like I get that you don't feel the need to justify yourself to me but I don't like how you're not responding to anyone else asking you about the read

But that was before she made that weird post that looks like a slip

[catboi]

You were posting a bunch and then when she asked you about your read on me in 1451 you just vanished. Like I get that you don't feel the need to justify yourself to me but I don't like how you're not responding to anyone else asking you about the read

But that was before she made that weird post that looks like a slip

lol vanished, you mean I went to buy groceries for dinner and wasn't around?

~Taki

I don't care what your excuse is, the fact is whenever someone wants you to actually explain the read you don't and it makes me feel like you're bad faith pushing me because I don't respond well to pressure but can't justify it to anyone

[catboi]

Awesome.

No votes on Titus.

Not going to ask the logical followup because you're conftown and have your own plan.

There's confirmed 3 VTs in the setup, apparently

[catboi]

Hop already claimed weak loverizer

[catboi]

oh I feel dumb

[catboi]

I'm hectic right now but don't tell

we are all hectic alts on this blessed day

This is the post that pinged me from Dannflor
It’s moon logic but I read this as a subtle scum claim

Wait, that's your entire reason for voting him?

[catboi]

so....i don't know if i will be able to keep up with this game.
i work a 8-5 and i am starting night classes tomorrow.

ummmm this game might be too much

I will be very sad if you leave us my shitposting friendo.

also are you a vanilla? the entire game is waiting on this immensely important piece of information.

I'm just assuming he's going to because it's not like Hectic lets 3 players get cleared day 1

[catboi]

hahaha

SUCK IT POOKY

[catboi]

The reasoning for Tweet's claim looked town, I was just struggling to find a scumread in the claimed negative utility roles at all

[catboi]

I don't get why there weren't any VT fakeclaims

[catboi]

i 100% claim VT if i'm scum here

no way I let catboi become conftown :3

...that's fair, but I don't have to like it. ( ≧Д≦)

[catboi]

...that's fair, but I don't have to like it. ( ≧Д≦)

it's ok catboi this is just like that folly game where we figured out we were town together at the end of day 1 but you were tragically murdered at night

Hopefully it doesn't end the same way

[catboi]

Hopkirk and venus are probably scum
Fl should i vote dannflor again

i'm confirmed town wtf?

Did i miss something? How are you confirmed town??

only him, titus, and me claimed vanilla and FL knows there's only 3 in the setup

[catboi]

How is everyone doing this fine day? ( ღ’ᴗ’ღ )

[catboi]

I don't really care what Dann was like in some other game, I think he's been scummy here. I also don't think that read on RCE makes much sense, it boils down to "he's town because he's not posting things to get townread" but that can just mean someone...hasn't been town

[catboi]

Well first off

Am I allowed to say that I think you're lying about your masons?

Yep.

It looks that way by design.

Hectic wouldn't expect me to be truthful, and I guarantee you Hectic doesn't believe that they're my masons either.

Huh? But Gamma and chk would have disputed it if it weren’t true though. It must mean that FL isn’t lying.

I don't think anyone has a reason to dispute a mason claim from a scum but I also don't think it's worth discussing

[catboi]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

I changed my mind.

[catboi]

Aww~ (^人^)

[catboi]

I thought Titus was supposed to be clear?


...or was the VT thing a bluff, too?

[catboi]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

I changed my mind.

I think Tweetie was the likely counterwagon to scum.

Calling it a "counterwagon" is overly generous given that it peaked at 3 votes while the stump was calling for Dann to be killed, and Dann's vote there doesn't really make any sense from a self-preservationist perspective. I'll have more later.

[catboi]

[catboi]

Not to kill the funtime vibes, but I went through Dannflor's ISO to scrape for any sort of interactions, and this is what I came away with. My theory is that Dann made a few posts when the ame was in an RVS-ish state, fell behind, and came back realizing he was under pressure and in trouble, and so deliberately started forcing interactions. I also think scum are more likely to have voteparked Dann rather than defend him after FL publicly voiced suspicion, it's too risky to have moved off. I'm not saying Dann interacted with all of his teammates, In fact I'd say for sure there's a scum in the people he didn't really interact with at all, but right now it's easier for me to look at the info on people he DID interact with.

Dannflor/Morning Tweet:

Out of all the votes on him, Dann makes a particular point of calling out Tweet's vote on, asking her to explain it (1572). He says her posting is "nice, a little fence-sitty, and fairly thorough" but doesn't make a conclusion on her and continues to want to ask her about her vote: "curious to know the thought process behind it" (1585) and asks her what caused her to unvote gamma (1631). He later soft defends Tweet, saying "That seems like a strange slot for a top scum read" (1942) In 1969 he defends her by saying "I'm interested in scum reads on Morning Tweet because I don't really see anything that sticks out as not within town!Tweet's MO" but then votes her with his last post in 2026, in a move that doesn't really make much sense.

This was what grabbed my attention when I looking back at his posts overnight, the way he seemed to particularly put attention on tweet out of the people voting him, but didn't seem to really want to push her, making these small defenses of her even as he was trying to question her. The last minute votepark looks like a desperation move rather than any wago he thought might actually go through.

Dannflor/Venus Mars and Pluto:

Dann banters with Auro a little in 1575, Auro says if he's scum he'll catch him, Dann asks him what's going on. He later asks Auro if he has a read on anyone (1580). Says Nancy shouldn't be town reading him but doesn't say she's suspicious for it, which is a weird comment to make? But maybe less likely to call a partner's read on him out in this way.

I don't think any of this is inherently clearing but don't think Nancy makes such an impassioned defense of Dann when FL's mind is set, as I said above.

Dannflor/RCEnigma:

Dann asks RCE about his early little readflip on me (93 107), then says he likes RCE's setup spec theorizing about skitter's claim and scum roles based around positioning (127). He writes a long post defending RCE as town based on tone and saying his fluff posting isn't scummy (1586).

I could go either way here. I don't have any strong conclusions to draw based on this.

Dannflor/Gamma:

Dannflor immediately jumping on Gamma's entrance post (241 + 250) and questioning me when I said the speed of the viotes was too fast (277) is way more likely to be non-partner behavior. He later justifies this by saying "his entrance was awkward" and he wanted to see what he'd do after in 1577. He then walks the read back in 1581 by saying Gamma's posting is good and he didn't overreact.

I'm pretty sure Gamma is just town based on this, him giving the townread seems to be bowing to thread consensus as much as anything.

Dannflor/Starcrossed:

Early game Dann asks about why skitter finds pooky scummy, saying he "has not disliked their posting so far" (83) but then flips it and votes him just a short while later in 102. I don't see what prompted this flip, Starcrossed only made 1 post in between speculating about who Hectic would draft.

This on itself isn't much but it does feel slightly anti-partnery, I don't think he decides to shift his opinion on a teammate so readily in the early game.

Dannflor/unwnd:

Dannflor naked votes unwnd in 1846. He asks him what his read on the Venus/Pluto slot is (1856) and says the way he's treating the slot isn't genuine (1874) and that the way he engages with Nancy is LAMIST (1878). He continues to argue with him about this in 1906, unwnd says Dann is making assumptions based on one or two instances of dialogue when there's more to it, Dann argues with him more about how to read Nancy. He continues to discuss how to read Nancy with unwnd in 1936.

This was probably the most sustained interaction Dann had with anyone, if I squinted really hard I could see it as potential distancing but unwnd was maybe he most viable push of the people voting him, and the way they get sidetracked into debating a read over VMP doesn't feel like the route teammates would take in arguing. I individually townread unwnd overall because I think he wouldn't pull this weird pseudo-jester act as scum so I'd say this reinforces that read.

Dannflor/skitter30:

skitter asks Dann how he's reading her, he says he doesn't have one (1913). Later he says he had her as possible scum based on her read of RCEnigma (1934) and then says he went to her iso to "look who to vote for" by sheeping her (1939). In 1951 he says "I just know you to be skilled as both alignments and I usually treat slots that I view as better than me with more caution than I normally would". Tonally, 1952 doesn't feel like how he talks to a partner, there's a little bit of timidity in how he reacts to her voting him, he doesn't question her or attack her on it, like he's wary of getting on her bad side.

I think from these actions he was trying to subtly get skitter to stop suspecting him, and it worked, which makes me think skitter is unlikely to be a partner.

Dannflor/Titus:

After his extended absence from hyperposting, the first person Dann mentions is Titus, saying "Titus is freaking me out a little bit but that's not quite a read yet" (1571). He comments on her reads list in 1574, criticizing it and again saying it "freaks him out" and puts suspicion on her for it. Also disputes her saying he had a strong start. Later says he wants to vote Titus (1969).

There's not a lot to go off here, but similar to Tweet, the attention toward her in particular feels unusual and it could be a desperate attempt to force interaction after he came under pressure, the lack of follow-through makes it suspect, I think.

[catboi]

I don't think skitter white knights me day 1 as scum, because I don't think there's a real benefit to doing so.

[catboi]

I don't think skitter white knights me day 1 as scum, because I don't think there's a real benefit to doing so.

Dangerous thinking, there is a long term benefit for scum to do this and is also within skitters scumrange.

In a normal game I could see it but it's not like pocketing me would be, well, useful...

[catboi]

Also, what an odd, random comment to make.

[catboi]

VOTE: silver

[catboi]

What is going on （ΟΔΟ；；）

[catboi]

VOTE: Starcrossed

Lunar's reaction here looks pure.

[catboi]

I would be...surprised if Titus claimed vanilla as scum with only 1 VT in the setup, tbh.

[catboi]

Actually, I don't see why pooky bothers with this if he knows Hop is fakeclaiming and therefore not VT? Like, outing this here just makes it so he can be protected. I don't think it makes much sense

UNVOTE:

[catboi]

Maybe we should just vote Titus

[catboi]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

I'm going to go back here


Xtoxm is basically dead null to me but I could see as scum by PoE

[catboi]

I don’t go out of my way to save a doomed buddy ever. Dann fooled me, you can believe that or not.

You're saying u dont defend ur partner there?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... st_3192959

Enjoy.

Link doesn't work, fyi - I think you have to link to the game thread, ISO links there aren't permalinks

[catboi]

What's your reasoning for Tweetie Sunrise, Catboii?

Partly than Dann had a weird interaction with her, partly that I didn't like how she was arguing with the sailor scouts yesterday when I thought about it overnight

[catboi]

Well, not even an ineraction really but the way Dann outed his ead on her looked partner-y

[catboi]

Sorry for being absent, my attention as focused on pokemon upick since it was at deadline.

That game also had scum Chara getting guiltied by Hectic, after the flip in that game I read back this game and realized Chara was more passuve that game than it is here which is why I decided to rethink my read of them here.

Nancy's frustration in arguing with skitter also feels legitimate and not, like, in a scummy way. I don't scumread skitter, though. The whole fight just feels like mutual OMGUS without much substance behind it.

Tbh I had been thinking xtoxm was possibly a mason with the way he was lurking >_>. I'm okay with letting the claim stand for now, though.

MT's readlist doesn't do a whole lot for me, she seemed to have been floating along today until the votes went for her, like, I don't know what she was doing sheeping everything prior to that, I feel like she's capable of more...depth than this as town

[catboi]

That game also had scum Chara getting guiltied by Hectic, after the flip in that game I read back this game and realized Chara was more passuve that game than it is here which is why I decided to rethink my read of them here.

I feel like she's being passive here tho?

Eh not when I skimmed on a reread, they seemed more willing to accuse people here where in the other game it was all about appearing "reasonable" I guess, they barely pushed any scumreads at all where here they were willing to poke at MT/you from early on. They might have faded a little but I still would say town if I had to guess

[catboi]

I feel like FL is going to wagon every single player in the game today

[catboi]

I feel like FL is going to wagon every single player in the game today

that's how you know I'm town!

And yet sometimes I still doubt it

[catboi]

scum Chara getting guiltied by Hectic

......................................
that was Hectic.

>_> You didn't figure that out? I thought it was so obvious...

I don't know how to break this to you, but... https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[catboi]

BRB looking up evil catboys for an avatar

[catboi]

Int. Flavor v. Hectic DAY

Chara and Ydrasse's relationship begins to take a turn. A dejected chara from multiple scumgames, stands aside a tempted Ydrasse, as two exchange a moment...

Y: Chara, there's something I've really gotta ask you.. It's why I kept replying to you so far.
[Ydrasse tenses up, and begins to shuffle her feet nervously. She averts her gaze from Chara]
Y: Have you ever... loved someone?
C: That's what you came to ask?
Y: No I mean...I...
Y: I was wondering if even mafiascum players fall in love...
C: What are you trying to say?
[Ydrasse urges the courage within herself, and gets closer to Chara.]
Y: I wanna ask you...
Y: Do you think love could bloom even in a mafia game?
C: Yeah...I do..
C: I think at any time...at any place, people can fall in love with each other.
[Ydrasse backs up, her face becomes flushed.]
C: But....
C: I have shed my humanity because Pokemon got rid of 2d sprites however.
C: If you love someone, you have to be able to protect them. Like Nintendo and their intellectual properties.
Y: I think so too..
C: I have a favor to ask.
Y: :3?
Y: I told you before I'm not scum... I don't wanna hurt anyone.
C: I don't want you to either.
Y: O-okay. D-did you know I like cutiefly?

｡ﾟ(ﾟ＾ਊ＾ํ )ﾟ｡

I don't even want to scumhunt anymore, I just want this to be the shitposting chatroom forever~

[catboi]

I'm reading and realizing I probably am townreading too many people. I vastly prefer a Titus vote to a skitter one. On reread of her posts, there's not a lot there.

VOTE: Titus

[catboi]

BRB looking up evil catboys for an avatar

Yeah this is probably scum

Now this is scumhunting

[catboi]

Permission to not be impressed by Titus' whirlwind of posts? I dunno, seems too little too late.

What's the opposite of impressed? Because she looks like she's trying to expand the poe.

[catboi]

BRB looking up evil catboys for an avatar

Yeah this is probably scum

Now this is scumhunting

More like podracing imo

u got the reference gj

[catboi]

you're right that i have somewhat better depth usually catboi, just not when im multitasking in calculus and physics courses it seems

(¬ω¬)

[catboi]

I got a lovely poem last night ❣◕ ‿ ◕❣

[catboi]

I'll start believing my reads are off if another phase goes by and a majority of my lower pool all end up flipping town

But one wrong thought, maybe two doesn't deter me, and I'm alright with it

lol "ill start believing im wrong. When im proven wrong"

Okay

Where'd this come from?

[catboi]

I got a lovely poem last night ❣◕ ‿ ◕❣

what did it say?

it just said I got a poem in girl's handwriting >_>

[catboi]

I'll start believing my reads are off if another phase goes by and a majority of my lower pool all end up flipping town

But one wrong thought, maybe two doesn't deter me, and I'm alright with it

lol "ill start believing im wrong. When im proven wrong"

Okay

Where'd this come from?

my hands typing on the keyboard

I just meant it was a surprising amount of aggression compared to how you've been for most of the game ┐( ˘_˘)┌

[catboi]

I just realized I'm suspecting most of the ascetic claims and there's probably only one that's scum and now I'm messed up

[catboi]

I was typing out a list that went

hopkirk

starcrossed
venus mars and pluto
chara
unwnd

skitter30
ydrasse
lunar martian

firebringer
xtoxm
gamma emerald
morning tweet


but now I don't feel good about it at all

[catboi]

damn.

I really like that list, Catboi

That's funny because I hated it from about the moment I submitted it

[catboi]

but if i do im greeted by catboi thinking "I have more depth as town" for whatever reason (why does he think that?)

You copped to this yesterday when I was saying it, why the pushback now? Like, I haven't seen you play a ton but I skimmed a little bit of the other recent versus game and I think there's a claer contrast where here you've very obviously been going with the flow

[catboi]

I don't actually get what your hangup is with my claim. Like, your theory is that there's only 1 VT and as scum I trip over myself to claim it first thing, knowing it gets me voted eventually as a "safe" fade, when by sheer numbers it'd be way more beneficial to blend in with the non-VT claims.

[catboi]

I don't actually get what your hangup is with my claim. Like, your theory is that there's only 1 VT and as scum I trip over myself to claim it first thing, knowing it gets me voted eventually as a "safe" fade, when by sheer numbers it'd be way more beneficial to blend in with the non-VT claims.

It's not really a hang up.

I have reasons to believe you're town, but frankly, that's not good enough. I have reasons to believe everyone is town, but I know 3 of y'all are little liars.

Eh, like, I get it, I'm probably wrong on at least one of my townreads but I haven't had the time to consider who yet. I'll just say there's a reason why I've played the way I have. I'm not really sure why you're townreading certain people, though.

[catboi]

what town reads confuse you?

Tweet because it seems to be based entirely on her claim, and ydrasse, but tbh I have no idea what's going on with her this game

[catboi]

Xtoxm and Gamma being in the PoEpoe makes sense though, actually maybe tweet is town if xtoxm is scum and I'm just tunneled, and I'm wrong on one of skitter/chara. Pretty sure VMP is town though.

[catboi]

[catboi]

On top of that, you and Alisae have done more than anyone to disrupt the current state of the game, which isn't inherently scummy, but I don't believe Hectic has been controlling this game in the slightest, he's more just putting up guard rails to try to guide the upending momentum in a certain direction.

There is no ballet going on.

Oh ya it’s totally this ya totally.
Let’s not care about associations or earlier phases of the game ya totally and let’s completely ig ore how people joined the Dann wagon (this is about skitter)

Idunno what to tell you honestly.
Honestly the only reason why u read me as scum is because I disagree with you. That’s all I gathered and at this point I don’t think anyone is actually trying to play mafia anymore it’s just “oh let’s kill this person” it honestly doesn’t make any sense but ok.

[catboi]

hey catboii hows it going

[catboi]

how did u like my personality test

Very nice, altho I feel like lately I'm a very reactive player a lot of the time, I've tried to dial it back in this game I guess. I give it two thumbs up d=(´▽｀)=b

Honestly it's weird and I don't know why seemingly no one is jumping on flavor demanding to kill me, I would figure scum would at this point but...nope. I guess maybe they don't want to fade another VT idk

[catboi]

Flavor wants to kill you?
kitty, how are you reading Glory?

Might be scum? The way Alisae entered felt like it could be trying to cast aspersions on a bunch of people and try to take control of the game a little bit and I realized my reasons for townreading Gamma weren't all that great

[catboi]

Also WRT the game from forever ago with firebringer I mentioned, it's here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=62993

Don't expect him to remember it because it was forever ago but I stopped playing shortly after so it stayed in my mind. I don't expect it to be useful for meta because it was so long ago, but it was interesting for me to look at how I used to post, I used to be kinda mean. I had to bus my partner day 1 in that game because he tunneled me for my miller fakeclaim, it looks like. The game was super weird because the mod posted a bunch of insane crap and got sitebanned in the middle of the game, and the setup design was super fucked up, I got endgamed by an Investigation-Immune 1-Shot Bulletproof Fruit Vendor Odd-Night Serial Killer

IDK it doesn't have any relevance to this game, I just went back to look at it and it was interesting, that's all

[catboi]

btw i read at some point somewhere that there are only 3 vts in the game
where are we getting this information from btw?

FL said it but it was a bluff

[catboi]

Well Chara gave the right answer and Skitter gave the wrong answer which was then corrected by catboi so therefore I must assume that because chara and catboi answered correctly they're paying attention to the game more than Skitter and therefore must be more scummier than Skitter

[catboi]

Because I die soon anyways and boon is gonna fuck it up and kill me at the worst possible time if scum doesnt do it for him

I don't get it

[catboi]

so how are everyones vibes...

Terrible, I made myself angry remembering how poorly boon is handling this game

Can I post gifs to try to cheer you up

[catboi]

[catboi]

[catboi]

By my recollection me and a couple other people voted him and the FL said to kill him and so we did

[catboi]

What if there was a game where all the roles were things Flavor Leaf has fakeclaimed

[catboi]

i'm sorry i don't have any romantic poetry it's all just death and vore or whatever

some people find that romantic

[catboi]

can you just shut up?

holy shit ur so annoying

don't be a bully~

[catboi]

goodnight chara

[catboi]

I'm going to be honest once this claim stuff started I kind of mentally checked out

[catboi]

Early townbin: {unwnd, catboi, Xtoxm, Lunar Martian, Starcrossed} | PoE: {Skitter30, G&M, MT, Ydrasse, Firebringer, Chara}

Kittyboi! Thoughts? Disagreements? Deets. Thanks.

-P

Why's xtoxm town? At this point I'd swap him and firebringer, firebringer just looks really townie from his recent posting

[catboi]

I don't have a reference for him, my only meta for him was a long time ago. The way he was deliberately antagonistic toward FL is a thing I always see coming from town, scum basically almost never get antagonistic toward clears because it makes the clears more likely to lead on them out of spite where townis more likely to display frustration with how the clear is doing something they don't like. Used to play a lot of follow the clear type setups in chat games and that's always how it went.

[catboi]

Honestly at this point, I don't care if I get eliminated, because I feel like as long as I'm around FL is going to be distracted by me. I was under constant pressure from day 1 in my last game too and it's just worn on me. As a rule I don't selfvote but I don't have the will to fight it that strongly and that's partly my fault, I've had trouble keeping up enthusiasm for this game. I know I've said I meant to reread the last couple of days but I just haven't done it, every time I try to start my eyes start to glaze over and I procrastinate instead. I hope people recognize that scum aren't all going to fold like Dann did, they're going to fight and scream and make a show of it. They're not all going to be easy.


Anyway, going to respond to Glory

[catboi]

glory since their entrance has just been making vague attacks on me: 4354 4364 4365 4366 4374

but there's never any substance to it, just kind of pointing at things I've said and saying they're bad and saying I bussed. There's a little bit of that toward skitter too: 4378 4390

But none of this is like actually scumhunting, their one lunar town which I don't think is particularly controversial, easiest read in the world but it gives the appearance of doing something

Then the way they started talking to FL was pinging me because it really felt like it was attempting to suck up to him: 4435 4441 4444 4445 4447


this is what I was talking about in that post

[catboi]

Lol I just looked up my old scum PTs and one of the first things I post in them is "DON'T BUS", I got pissed off at my partner in one game because he forced me to bus him day 1 because of how he was pushing me

[catboi]

if I had to throw out a team guess right now it'd be glory/tweet/chara but I don't feel good about that guess at all

Something just feels wrong but I really don't know, like if starcrossed hadn't been cleared by xtoxm I'd be yelling about how their posting this day phase screams scum

[catboi]

nnnnnya

haha nya nya~ ฅ(⌯͒• ɪ •⌯͒)ฅnya～ﾝ❣

[catboi]

While I agree with you that none of this points to you being scum, why couldn’t they also be wrongly confibiased town?

Sure but SOMEONE has to be scum

I've been thinking skitter is town for most of the game, I could be wrong but if I am I literally don't have a good reason to suspect her

[catboi]

nnnnnya

haha nya nya~ ฅ(⌯͒• ɪ •⌯͒)ฅnya～ﾝ❣

:3 !!!!!

*paws at you* ฅ(*°ω°*ฅ)

[catboi]

nnnnnya

haha nya nya~ ฅ(⌯͒• ɪ •⌯͒)ฅnya～ﾝ❣

:3 !!!!!

*paws at you* ฅ(*°ω°*ฅ)

*purrs happily* =^.^=

*swishes tail* (=^･ｪ･^=))ﾉ彡☆

[catboi]

K

[catboi]

I said I'm sick of fighting, I want off Flavor Leafs wild ride

[catboi]

n-nya?

nya....

n-nya?

very cute avatar.

agreedo

[catboi]

i just want to catpost w catboi

[catboi]

[catboi]

[catboi]

good vibes everyone!!!! :<

[catboi]

VOTE: catboi

are you scum chara

[catboi]

look me in the eyes and tell me before you kill me

[catboi]

you can be honest, i promise not to tell anyone else

[catboi]

i'm sorry, kitty. it's hard to argue against someone who objectively has more info about the game. i don't think you're scum, though.

ok

i forgive you

[catboi]

oh before i forget bc work numbs my mind i would like to listen to music w you guys together !!

here's a song i was listening to, no reason in particular

[catboi]

[catboi]

! o:

like, idk i used to do listening parties/vibe w friends in discord while listening to music thru bots and it just sounds nice

I used to do it on turntable back when that was a thing

we could start a discord after this over~

[catboi]

[catboi]

ah,.....


I want to some kind of a last will before I go, I owe everyone that much

[catboi]

Hold on, don't do it yet

[catboi]

Yeah, I'm writing it now

[catboi]

This is in order from towniest to least towniest, sorry I couldn't get more detailed, this was honestly really hard because most of the people seem town for one reason or another

venus mars and pluto - Keeps being obvious town, scumhunting the hardest out of anyone
morning tweet - I'm looking back on her posts and seeing that I'm just tunneled, she's probably town, she doesn't need to claim miller as ascetic, my first instinct was right, under pressure she's been fine and I like what's she's writing
starcrossed - Kinda worried they're coasting but can only be scum if Xtoxm is scum and
ydrasse - Confurmed nyan mafia. But seriously, with all the millers I assume there has to be a cop, she feels at ease and having fun and isn't trying to project townieness.
firebringer - When he actually says relevant stuff it looks very townie, he's even handed and reasonable, I buy him not being as motivated as he would be as scum.
chara - Like I said earlier, seems different from their scum game, kind of just feeling this on tone, their recent posts all seem fine.
unwnd - Seemed to have legitimate conviction in his push against MT, is legitimately solvy, probably doesn't trollclaim as mafia? Seems town but everyone else seems townier.
xtoxm - His play makes sense with his claim and the emotional responses look real, worried about the inactivity, though. If I'm wrong on Glory I think he makes the most sense as a fake investigative.
lunar martian - This is a hard one, they makes no sense to draft except as an extreme WIFOM pick but honestly most of the other people just look so townie that I feel like it has to be them, by POE. I kind of feeling like they're playin up their noobishness to go under the radar.
skitter30 - I thought she was town most of the game but I don't like the way she's pushing Venus, I don't like the way she's setting up situations like how there HAS to be scum between firebringer and chara because of their roles, or there has to be scum between tweet, VMP, and Chara. Has been taking a really lax attitude the last few days, and I feel like scum are just sitting back and trying to distance from my wagon. Also the fact that she's staying at the top with her role is suspicious.
glory and mel - I just don't buy what they're putting out, they AtE'd and raged under pressure then went dormant again, I don't know why they backed off from fosing me either, it feels like they want to distance themselves from my wagon. I think one of the investigative claims is fake and it's still most likely them.


good luck~

[catboi]

Non-game related:

Last night I watched Venus Wars, a 1989 movie from the character designer of Mobile Suit Gundam. It's a fun sci-fi actioner, with cool vehicle designs, a great soundtrack, and amazing animation, kind of like Akira in that regard. It was a lot of fun. The story gets rushed a bit in the back half, and there's one minor character that's a really unfortunate poorly aged stereotype, but other than that, I liked it a lot. I give it a 4/5.

[catboi]

He's not scum but also it doesnt make sense to kill skitts/Chara/Xtoxm/Ydrasse rn and I guess Glory has a claim too? Sad times

I feel like we're just heading down the lazy apathy vote route because people are just hoping for claims to resolve themselves, which is bullshit because I'm sure mafia have a plan to confuse things as much as possible. We're basically just repeating Titus day 2 all over again. I feel like scum are just sitting back and watching me get shoved off a cliff, they're too afraid to touch me because they know they can't justify it and they'll look bad when I flip. It's really annoying to have this much silence as I go over, honestly.

[catboi]

VOTE: catboi
you're not fading us here.

-Glory

Lol, of course, right in time

[catboi]

>says scum are afraid to touch him
>shades my vote
sure, that's logical

-Glory

The second he floats any possibility of a pivot, you come n and hammer, suuuure

[catboi]

"You said scum are afraid to vote me and I voted you after that so I can't be scum", amazing logic

[catboi]

GL everyone~

[catboi]

I had planned to possibly retract the VT claim later and claim something else (I had bandied about Informed Cop Enabler in the PT), but then I kind of locked myself into the claim. Don't really think it would've made a ton of difference, too many people were too town to really stand a chance here.

ggwp flavor leaf.

[catboi]

I like being scum but most of my game was played around fooling the rest of the town and not the one person that mattered. ヘ(￣ー￣ヘ)

[catboi]

If some of this PL wants to help fill W13 it'd be appreciated

said it in the dead thread, no more large themes for me, sorry