Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

[Enchant]

HEAL: Enchant, Battle Mage, T-Bone

[Enchant]

Raya36, unvote or you will get nightkilled.

[Enchant]

Fair deal.

[Enchant]

No.

[Enchant]

Ok, i take it seriusly now.


As we know, Council get ability to protect and track.

It will become worthless if even one mafia slip.

For obvious reason. We have 9 people and only 2 mafia. So we have pretty decent chances to create "All Town Council" right now. So while you can be suspicious, it's almost impossible to have evidence. So it's better to create council than don't create, even if you disagree with people in it.

How to choose? Well, i suggested myself and BM+T-Bone for reason. I know i'm town, and BM with T-Bone is expireinced players, who can point track and protect at right target. Though, everyone could say that.


If mafia killed, it makes tracks even more powerfull. If somehow one of mafia die,

don't eluminate

before council become impossible (Day 4), because tracks will produce confirmed townies.

[Enchant]

So listen my suggestion.


I'm not really happy with Battle Mage choose. I feel like he could just grab someone from scumteam. So my suggestion.


We choose one person via majority. After that, this person choose someone. And then, this choosen person will choose third one. And this will be our Council. While it's possible for mafia being in, we gain maximum info from this. Of course it somewhat strange on paper and dunno if necessary, but fun as hell so let's do. No, you can't vote for yourself.


I vote mozamis for Council. He expireinced player as well (2011), but somehow not in list of any councils. So i suggesting him.

[Enchant]

Oh wait, just noticed mozamis suggesting self.

Well btw. Changing vote on Nono.

[Enchant]

also I'm slightly offended you think if Mozamis was town the player would be better equipped to pick a town council than me!

You though i'm town in first game, there's no gods of scumreading here.

Who you suggest?

[Enchant]

Please point, i can't find words "He is town 100%", i see only attempts to find townie things, which kinda not enough for slip.

[Enchant]

Eeh. Still not getting it.

You really can't know if T-Bone is town or mafia.

[Enchant]

It was hard to understand but finally

He assumed you are doesh't know everyone alignments, in theory claiming you to be town. Right? Well, it could be slip. Though, i find reason silly, because i assuming other players as town, unless have reasons to think otherwise.

[Enchant]

Because you are newbie and he can use old magic on newbies to dominate minds.

[Enchant]

Artemiana, did ya read my plan? What you though and if positive, who you would suggest?

[Enchant]

I like it. Why do you think join date = experience?

I would take this as a balsy move if you're scum with mozzy[/quote]

Because it kinda works. Longer you here, longer you playing mafia here, and so have more expireince. Of course that's not always case, but i don't have other tools to see.

[Enchant]

Oh i messed up, well.

[Enchant]

We should definitely not pick our council based on who's the most experienced.

But you did same, when choose people you know. Right now without evidence, suggesting experienced people is good idea. If they are mafia... Well. Do you think BM is mafia?

This is a pretty good idea in theory but I'm worried when it comes down to it I'll not want to choose someone I townread because I suspect they'll choose someone I scumread and don't want on the council. This happened in a game with a mechanic like that a while back

I don't think we find someone, who get townreaded by everyone. So there's be always someone, who will disagree with choosen three. We must choose and i suggested honest way for this. That's it.

[Enchant]

What happened exactly?

[Enchant]

Though about it for a bit, but can't think about way to fix this hole. Of course, if there's someone who is suspicious as hell, he probably get eluminated and in theory, can't be chosen. Because... Eh. Simple because council of two people is worse than three.

... I don't know. We should ask Mod, what happens if someone from Council get eluminated.

[Enchant]

Oh? Thanks.

Alright, then i suggest this one. We could talk for a bit... And then use my plan/dunno what new plan you get/probably agree on something. Then we will have suspicious persons to keep away from council and killed at day.

[Enchant]

T-Bone: No Vote
Almost50: No Vote
Enchant: Nono
yessiree: No Vote.
Artemiana: Battle Mage, Mozamis, Raya36
Nono: No Vote
mozamis: No Vote
Battle Mage: Raya36(?)
Raya36: Battle Mage

BM (2), Raya36 (2), Mozamis (1) Nono (1)


Please check, if i'm wrong.

[Enchant]

Fine then.

[Enchant]

Also i disagree with This Council, because i'm not in it.

[Enchant]

So, how we deal with dilemma when everyone disagree with not being on Council and suggesting only with self? We could fight for eternity. We have deadline though, and we also need yell at each other for elumination which cost time as well.

Oh well, this is political game now. So.

I can accept Council of BM+T-Bone+Artemiana. Though, this was pretty easy and fast formed for me. Why is that? Do you think Artemiana is townie, or you just want to talk with her? If you want to talk, what stopping ya from talking here?

[Enchant]

Also i disagree with This Council, because i'm not in it.

Why do you think you deserve to be in the council compared to anyone else this game?

If you beleive experience a notable qualifier for council members , why should any of us beleive you would bring anything of value?

Because i'm town. You probably expected this answer?

After that, this person choose someone.

Problem is, if first person we choose for council is scum we could have problems.
Why dont we just do the same plan again for the second and third person on the council?

Well, 2/9 probality to choose mafia.

We using majority for selecting first candidate. If this candidate is mafia, then he would go in Council anyway, even without this plan. Simple because most of players think he is townie enough to become first candidate, so probably he would gain pass in other ways.

[Enchant]

T-Bone: Disagree with plan
Almost50: mozamis
Enchant: Nono
yessiree: No Vote.
Artemiana: Battle Mage, Mozamis, Raya36
Nono: Artemiana
mozamis: Almost50
Battle Mage: Raya36(?)
Raya36: Battle Mage

BM (2), Raya36 (2), Mozamis (2) Nono (1) Almost50 (1) Artemiana (1)


That's right?
yessire if you agree, please vote.

[Enchant]

Honestly, i didn't knew what to do with that, count only BM or three.

So i got it as "I'm not against these three". You can do that as well, or i can count just BM, at your preference.

[Enchant]

Understood.


T-Bone: BM, Artemiana
Almost50: mozamis
Enchant: Nono
yessiree: No Vote.
Artemiana: Battle Mage, Mozamis, Raya36
Nono: Artemiana
mozamis: Almost50
Battle Mage: Raya36(?)
Raya36: Battle Mage

BM (3), Raya36 (2), Mozamis (2), Artemiana (2), Nono (1), Almost50 (1)


Waiting of yessire. Also others can change vote/add more like T-Bone/Artemiana did.

[Enchant]

T-Bone: BM, Artemiana
Almost50: mozamis
Enchant: Nono
yessiree: No Vote.
Artemiana: Battle Mage, Mozamis, Raya36
Nono: Artemiana
mozamis: Almost50
Battle Mage: Raya36, Artemiana, Nono
Raya36: Battle Mage

BM (3), Artemiana (3), Raya36 (2), Mozamis (2), Nono (2), Almost50 (1)

[Enchant]

If you don't want BM to be in Council then just don't vote him lol.

[Enchant]

if we're just picking 1 person, can we have a veto of players we definitely don't want in the council?

Yes. And who you suggest to Veto?

[Enchant]

I though about Council for a bit and have feeling, it's not so usefull overall.

I don't want to give mafia tips, so i will tell this when this become issue.

[Enchant]

I hate you too, thx.

[Enchant]

Wow you changing fast.

Did we abandon my plan already? Kinda only one vote remain.

[Enchant]

T-Bone: BM, Artemiana
Almost50: mozamis
Enchant: Nono
yessiree: BM
Artemiana: Battle Mage, Mozamis, Raya36
Nono: Artemiana
mozamis: Almost50
Battle Mage: Raya36, Artemiana, Nono
Raya36: Battle Mage

BM (4), Artemiana (3), Raya36 (2), Mozamis (2), Nono (2), Almost50 (1)

Eh. BM probably won. So, i expect ya choose T-Bone who choose Artemiana? We-e-ell, fine?

[Enchant]

Yell at him in private thread then.

[Enchant]

mozamis revoted for BM as well, didn't notice. Ok, BM certanly won.

Battle Mage, choose someone.

[Enchant]

Yeah, thanks for vote, yussire.

[Enchant]

Yes.

[Enchant]

I though about Council for a bit and have feeling, it's not so usefull overall.

I don't want to give mafia tips, so i will tell this when this become issue.

This is not game related, but I'm curious: Is the way you post for real or is it a gimmick?

Secret info, you will be nightkilled if i tell.


Actually didn't understand, do ya think i'm faking something?

[Enchant]

Actually didn't understand, do ya think i'm faking something?

Sometimes.. yes. Your .. erm.. how do I say this? You have an unnatural

accent

, if I may say so. Sometimes I think you're doing typos on purpose. I could be wrong though.

It's actually combination of my bad grammar and lazyness. So it's normal for me. I'm not native speaker of english.

[Enchant]

Aren't you say you scumread me

[Enchant]

I mistaked you with Artemiana. Well, sorry, yassure.

[Enchant]

I can.

Why you want to know exactly? I doesh't have strong minds right now.

[Enchant]

Can we keep yesiree and mozamis off of all councils, please?

You're clipping both my wings and asking me to fly here. Aside from them two, I only have you as a

confident

TR. And -even worse- I am not allowed to heal myself, so I can't even use the global TR on BM option to complete my trio.

Well, the closest to a TR aside from the above is Raya I guess, and I won't fight against an Enchant council membership, but then I feel like I'm "giving in" and when that happens I am highly likely to misread a scumster as a townie.

Wait! That does look like a read list of some sort. Let me try to put it in a more readable form:

T-Bone/mozamis
yessiree

BM/Raya/Enchant

Nono/Artemiana

If I use my super intellectual gift I'd say one scum in BM/Raya/Enchant and the other is in Nono/Atemiana (but don't quote me on any of that yet. I'll only take responsibility of my reads on the top 3 so far)

So, if you think there's one mafia in BM/Raya/Enchant, who have more chance to being it?

[Enchant]

I find somewhat hard to scumreading, and even more so there, where is mostly expirenced people.



I will read game, but expect something horrible to being born.

[Enchant]

So are waiting for Bm to pick another member?

Yes. And he went VLA, nice combo.

So you can, i dunno, find scum/someone who you really want in council/do nothing, at your preference. I reading game right now to see, who is faking town

[Enchant]

Alright.

Artemiana, your choice?

[Enchant]

Still reading, T-Bone.

[Enchant]

Fine. I want to say i wasted all day on this, but actually i wasted time on other videogames and did this in 30 mins. Mafia is hard.

1. BM is null for me. I don't know why you all always think he is townie, because he looks like townie almost always. I really dislike how he trying draw Artemiana in Council, and finding excuses for that. Like really, he say like with T-Bone he can read Artemiana with easy (she didn't post anything an moment of Council vote). And then, after that, BM asking "Do you think it will be easy to read you?" which sends me off. Then there's another "I townread her because of Gut". I find this strange, like he really trying to draw Artemiana. But...

Probably they are not partners. As i said, Council become useless with just one mafia in it. It have zero sense to try draw partner, because it only gives unneeded attention and you already gain info like who council will protect/tract. So, probality of them both being mafia... Is minimal.

2. yassuree is annoying, if i had gun i would shot him before he die. Mafia, please nightkill.
Well, if really, i think he is town for style of posting. Have nothing to say otherwise, because it's kinda... Eh. Fluf.

3. Artemiana. Called me pro-town for suggesting plan and then say that's plan is probably mafia idea and started to scumread me. I don't like really people with second personality, so i place "Dislike you". Not against her in council, but dislike.

4. Raya. She didn't unvote, so probably will be nightkilled too, because i cursed her. But fine, reads.
"We should definitely not pick our council based on who's the most experienced."
Yes, let's give council to random townreads and let them never quess who will perform kill/will be killed, because of lack of expireince (if you somehow lucky and mafia didn't slip).

Raya trying to fight my plan, but somewhat cooperate. Raya chances of getting in council is slim an moment of suggestion of this plan and actually was chance to get in, so why fight it as mafia? Well, there's one reason to fight plan: Mafia suggested for council. So she would be potential partner for BM/T-Bone/Artemiana, they had pretty high chances for Council (because, um, BM suggested it, you always sheep him, mind slaves).

I place Townie for now.

5. I don't care about slip from mozamis. I always assume someone as town, unless there's otherwise evidence, so kinda understandble.
Called me town, then called null, then called town again. I don't really know, how these townreads throw around, because... Eh, you simple call them townie and when there's out town slots, you just throw scum tickets, because too many townies.
Can you really explain, why you townread everyone and for what? Right now i just have this question.

6. Almost50. Just read your ISO and noticed your question. No, we didn't play early. You don't know me.

Certanly not even started playing seriusly, throwing "reads" around without explaining and talking about farts. I dunno.

7. Nono. Lurker. Lurkers wont prosper. Let's kill him this day? No, that's not joking, i really dislike this, he have 3 posts and throwing reads around without reason.

8. T-Bone. Townreading Artemiana for some reason (what this reason again) and agreing for being in Council with her without hesitation (come with reason "I feel they are town" later). Well, it's looking like you really don't care as long as you are in. Which is extremally strange, as townie you should be care about who in council with you, because Council power is useless with mafia.

But if you read my read on BM, you remember: Mafia have no reason to pull another mafia in. So, would be BM-Mafia to draw T-Bone-Mafia in? I don't think so.
It's hard to question, T-Bone is mafia or no. I placing null.

9. I forgot who 9 player is.

[Enchant]

So, you choose Raya?

Fine then.

[Enchant]

Anyone disagree?

[Enchant]

Enchant, can you talk a little bit more about your BM read? I'm mainly confused about your take on him wanting Artemiana in the council. Do you disagree with his reasons to townread her or do you think he's trying to pocket her or is it something else?

I find it somewhat strange how he exactly want her in council, even before she even posted anything. While that's probably normal, after that there's talk they are first time playing together, i find it odd. Like... Why. I simple can't understand reason.

[Enchant]

So, you choose Raya?

Fine then.

This tonally reads as you're unhappy with her choice?

No, i'm fine with any choice.

[Enchant]

I wanna read everything enchant says in an Indian accent. Idk why

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Mafia, nightkill this.

[Enchant]

Enchant, can you talk a little bit more about your BM read? I'm mainly confused about your take on him wanting Artemiana in the council. Do you disagree with his reasons to townread her or do you think he's trying to pocket her or is it something else?

I find it somewhat strange how he exactly want her in council, even before she even posted anything. While that's probably normal, after that there's talk they are first time playing together, i find it odd. Like... Why. I simple can't understand reason.

Ok, I think I understand where you're coming from now. While it may be odd that BM said they could read Artemiana who he doesn't know, do you think it's scum indicative or just odd?

I'm not sure. It's strange.

[Enchant]

You know I suck at D1 reads but fine:
1 scum in T-Bone or Enchant

Where this come from?

I don't make fake reads, i just bad at reads at all.

[Enchant]

with someone who is confirmed town to me.

Hold on, who confirmed? BM?

[Enchant]

From up to down:

Enchant
yassaus
Raya

I'm cautious with others at best.

[Enchant]

You said you want yessiree night killed and you said they were fluffy. Why do you townread them?

Yes, didn't change mind.

[Enchant]

Also, annoying doesh't mean mafia. I have mine reasons to townread yusasses, you call it Gut.

You offcourse can claim i fake reads/doesh't try enough/what the fuck way you think Enchant, and i can't disapprove it. Because i'm kinda bad at scumreading, but can make effective ways for victory, so i started this plan to help town in way i can.

[Enchant]

You said you want yessiree night killed and you said they were fluffy. Why do you townread them?

Yes, didn't change mind.

I'm confused, isn't yessiree one of your townreads? But you also want them nightkilled?

Yes. Because he is annoying.
Yes, i townread him.

These things are different.

Also, annoying doesh't mean mafia. I have mine reasons to townread yusasses, you call it Gut.

You offcourse can claim i fake reads/doesh't try enough/what the fuck way you think Enchant, and i can't disapprove it. Because i'm kinda bad at scumreading, but can make effective ways for victory, so i started this plan to help town in way i can.

If you are being honest and you're town then I appreciate the efforts with the plan and focusing on your stronger areas. My concern is that you had criticism for every player. It could be that you're paranoid town but correct me if I'm wrong, you also said you tend to assume someone is town until you find reason otherwise. If you're scum this could be an attempt at keeping options open with some distancing.

You (ok T-Bone) asked what i think, i delivered. I assume everyone as town, unless there's evidence against it. You blaming me for not ignoring these evidence, and for thoughs about motivation.

I warned, reasons for which i townread/scumread can be something with which you could not agree. Did i? So what's problem?

[Enchant]

So you townread Yessiree for their style of posting but you think their posts are fluffy so it's not a strong townread

Exactly.
Hard to understand me?

[Enchant]

I was just confused because it seemed you were contradicting yourself is all

Happens.

HEAL: BM, Raya, Enchant

I'm not impartial to this council right about now

You against Artemiana in Council? I see what it come from.

Alright.

Artemiana, your choice?

So is too late for me to disagree with the plan? Really dont want Arte on Council.
BM -could you choose someone else? Ayone but Arte or Nono?

We didn't hammer council, so not late.

Anyone disagree?

not happy about it, but raya prob town
BM if you could try and track one of Arte,Raya, Nono, that would be someting. Maybe doc enchant or yourself?

Not liking this council (because Artemiana brutally forced in) as well, but that's something what need to be done, so we could allow it, unless offcourse almost everyone disagree with Artemiana in. Then probably we should swap.

My chances to be nightkilled is around 1-5%, if mafia really have nothing to do. There's too far more dangerous people for mafia to remove.

[Enchant]

Aye, explain how you play as mafia.

[Enchant]

How many times i need explain.

There's allways someone in Council who will be disliked by someone. If you have reason to think they are town enough to get in Council, but i disagree, i can back off, simple because i can be wrong.

[Enchant]

Right now, there's around 3 players, who don't want Artemiana in Council, including me.

[Enchant]

I wanna read everything enchant says in an Indian accent. Idk why

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Mafia, nightkill this.

I thought you wanted them to kill "yassuree". Which is your preferred N1 kill?

Probably ask mafia to waste all bullets at one night, so all they can be covered.

[Enchant]

I simple sceptical about it (especially 1d), because it's like:

1. "NAME" SAID SOMETHING TOWNIE/SCUMMY/SILENT/INSERT REASON
2. MAFIA/TOWNIE COULD SAY IT TOO
3. Repeat for end of the day.

While i have years of experience in mafia, it comes from fast-paced games, where main tool is not scumreading, but information gained from PRs.

I can give good plan in around mins, but i can only catch openly blatant mafia, with having nothing, so i prefer you to do that.

Just in case. I don't say i sit and wait before you win for me. I help with my best side, and try not disrupt something by mine incompetence. Unless you start do something real dumb, of course.

[Enchant]

Aye.

HEAL: Artemiana, BM, Raya

[Enchant]

If both mafia in Council, we failed gradually. Especially me.

I don't think it's case though.

[Enchant]

Honestly, like idea with BM/Raya/T-Bone.

[Enchant]

Fine.

HEAL: BM/Raya/T-B

[Enchant]

A bit less than 3 days, but atleast council choosed.

Who i want to kill is hard question. Assuming all Council is townie (which is too very good to believe i want say), that's like 2/5 chance mafia eat elim. Of course, i am out of calculation in this.

I will think about it, just can say about Nono: He probably will continue being nonactive/imitate so. Not sure if we really should kill him for this though. Like... I want. But is this will be worth it? How possible he is mafia?

[Enchant]

Well. You refused Artemiana because she scumlooking. But not enough to kill? Well.

Artemiana, who you want to kill this day?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem,

but nobody's voting her

It's not like you tried to explain, why we should.

[Enchant]

Okay I get you.

Aren't i write you as "Disagree with plan" first, but then you said who you will vote, automatically agreeing with this?

[Enchant]

PUNCH

VOTE: Almost50

[Enchant]

over half the players hadn't checked in, in about a day and you hammered. Okay.

I BLAME BATTLE MAGE.

[Enchant]

Sure, i can't force you to say.

Because of tone i quess you was town, so you probably should give information about people and what you think. It's better than dying silent.

[Enchant]

Sure, i can't force you to say.

Because of tone i quess you was town, so you probably should give information about people and what you think. It's better than dying silent.

you hammered thinking he was town???

No, i hammered and after that he acted like eliminated town.

PUNCH

VOTE: Almost50

Why did you hammer this?

@Enchant

Why not

[Enchant]

Because someone already stated intent. Then you're supposed to wait to give the person getting eliminated a chance to speak. And for the rest of the player list time to speak. If A50 is town maybe we would've changed our mind. Quick hammering is scummy

Well. Don't place people on E-1, if you doesh't want them dead.

[Enchant]

As expected, mafia just skipped.

Well. We can get around 3 free elims, before setup turn in vanilla. So, let's choose Council and kill someone.

[Enchant]

Hmmmm.

@Mod, what happens if someone get final vote for Council and elumination in one post? Like this:

Vote: Enchant, Heal: Enchant, Enchant, Enchant.


... Just really wondering about this.

[Enchant]

Thanks.

Now, when this vital question is solved, about Council. First on, i really want to know, what you talked about (unless that's some secret info, but what secret info you can have?), who you tracked (it's useless check, because no one nightkilled, therefory mafia skipped) and protected. And especially, why these. Who you think is mafia especially.


Before you ask me question about why i assume mafia skipped kills and not that's protection stopped it. Well. Remember my words about not so useful council? Well, yeah. I just understanded mafia could skip, before Council become impossible. Unless mafia doesh't have braincells, is it.

[Enchant]

That said, I want to talk to at least one of you about what happened last night in depth, where scum cant see what's going on

Why you want hide it? If that's talking, i can't see how it would be secret. Track is useless. Protect as well, and if mafia hit protect, mafia already know.

So what?

[Enchant]

That said, I want to talk to at least one of you about what happened last night in depth, where scum cant see what's going on

Why you want hide it? If that's talking, i can't see how it would be secret. Track is useless. Protect as well, and if mafia hit protect, mafia already know.

So what?

The less information scum get, the better. What are your thoughts on the ideal council

There's 8 people. After we kill 3 (2, 3 and 4 days), there will be 5 and one will be nightkilled, that's 4. After that, we will be forced to kill 4.

We just need 4 townies and kill others. Not so hard to find... Especially for me, because i already know two. That's me and BM for sure.
Why BM? Well, he played with me and fully acknowlidged i WILL hammer. But didn't warn anyone. Even more, he is one put Almost50 in E-1, and also knowing how expireinced BM are, i think it's not too hard for him protect A50 from dying.

I need others two. After that, game is solved. About you, yes. It didn't made sense for him as mafia. Especially before he got in danger of elumination.

[Enchant]

Why BM? Well, he played with me and fully acknowlidged i WILL hammer.

When did this happen?

I don't remember anyone thinking that you would actually hammer

I hammered in every game with BM (one time with his ask). I dunno why he didn't warn you.

[Enchant]

But simple logic.

He placed Mafia to E-1, fully knowing there's me.

[Enchant]

Why BM? Well, he played with me and fully acknowlidged i WILL hammer.

When did this happen?

I don't remember anyone thinking that you would actually hammer

I hammered in every game with BM (one time with his ask). I dunno why he didn't warn you.

lol the only time i remember you hammering was when we were scum together and I had to persuade you to do it. I definitely don't have you down as a lolhammerer by nature. But it's fair to say the hammer and your reaction afterwards look uber-town.

Aren't you called me mafia, when i hammered as Jailkeeper?
Or in first game, where i hammered Not_Mafia, because he deserve it?

[Enchant]

Why BM? Well, he played with me and fully acknowlidged i WILL hammer.

When did this happen?

I don't remember anyone thinking that you would actually hammer

I hammered in every game with BM (one time with his ask). I dunno why he didn't warn you.

lol the only time i remember you hammering was when we were scum together and I had to persuade you to do it. I definitely don't have you down as a lolhammerer by nature. But it's fair to say the hammer and your reaction afterwards look uber-town.

Aren't you called me mafia, when i hammered as Jailkeeper?
Or in first game, where i hammered Not_Mafia, because he deserve it?

i dont remember either of those occasions, but perhaps you're right! Although didn't Not_Mafia basically claim scum in that game? so not sure that is a lolhammer

Yeah, he claimed Cop really badly. Well. If you don't remember, it's sad actually. Understandble, as you have... How many games?


Either way, BM is most likely townie for me.

[Enchant]

What motivation Mafia-Almost50 have to remove Artemiana from council? If she is mafia, it's nonsense.

[Enchant]

It's actually makes sense to not protect anyone. When there's nightkill, either tracked person will be confirmed or instalynched. So T-Bone plan have sense.

Though, protecting self makes sense for BM, because he is paranoid ass, and yes, he often eat nightkills.

I don't think it's mattered, because way how it should be played is obvious. So i assume mafia skipped.

It's nighttime for me, i read tomorrow.

[Enchant]

What motivation Mafia-Almost50 have to remove Artemiana from council? If she is mafia, it's nonsense.

You'd have to think it was some sort of big brain scum move to distance himself from artemiana, by first removing her from council, then have her drive him to the ground. The possibility is so low, only the most paranoid player would think this is true.

I think Artemiana is town, because mafia have no motivation to allow AllTownCouncil. It's like playing with random, where you have decent chances being tracked or hit protected target. Well. It possible. But what, if you need simple do nothing to not risk?

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Raya jumped on after I started bringing A50 into the light, and after I placed a compromise vote on yessus.

that's better then. Although I'm not sure what to make of Raya being happy with T-Bone in the council today when T-Bone is definitely within the possible elim pool, and Raya was quite down on T-Bone even last night. I can live with Raya in council again, but prefer freshening it up.

Gave my reasoning above. Let me know if it makes sense or T-Bone no-killing when on council is something you think he would actually do for the towncred

It takes no sense to perform nightkill, no matter is mafia in council or no, and no matter who is this person (unless... Well. Braincells).

If Mafia in Council, he of course know who is tracked, but if this person dies, it's like screaming "I AM IN COUNCIL" and we can eluminate 4 people, which enough to killoff everyone in this Council. Blatant Suicide. No.

If Mafia outside Council, then again, there's big reason to not nightkill, because chances to quess who was tracked is low, and if you kill someone other, person tracked will be confirmed as Not-Mafia for rest of the game. It's not what mafia want.

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Eh? No killing is stupid?

You want say, you would kill someone to prove that tracked person is 100% not mafia, also risking to get tracked self?

That's risk to wake up around 2 confirmed townies without knowing who is them/get tracked self, which is game over (if not in council).

I don't know, if it's easier for mafia to dodge checks, or just dodge lynches.


About Council. I of course agree with Me+Artemiana+BM, because i have decent reasons to think they are town.

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HEAL: BM, Artemiana, Enchant

Let's move.

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Eh? No killing is stupid?

No killing is stupid when you know that you can get away with the No kill.

No killing is also stupid when you have a decent chance to beleive that you won't be the target.

If I were scum on the council, I would opt to kill Yessiree to remove the conftown

... To produce another one. Tracked one.

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If you were mafia, you would kill Yessiree-confirmed townie and then produce ANOTHER confirmed townie, who is... Who is tracked again, i forgot but actually no matter.

You kill one confirmed townie. You make one confirmed townie. Unless you kill tracked person, that's it.

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If they are outside of council, they will never know who is tracked. So, they will not know who is confirmed townie, before Council say it.

So yeah, council probably can get away with that... Hmm.

Either way, that's dead getaway that mafia was in Council.

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Sorry for not answering. Because when i look at this thread, i always get headache.

Just. We have Mafia in 7vs1 situation. We have tracks (they confirm townie always when nightkill happens and have potential to catch Mafia). As Council you of course can kill and get away with that, but that's certanly someone was in this council mafia, otherwise it's not effective play. Mafia from outside could be think about it and nightkill anyway in hopes we will think someone from Council did that.

Yes. Wine again. You love this.


Killing outstide of Council is risky, but someone could do that to frame Council. Killing IN Council is save, but we would start "LYNCH ALL COUNCIL" meta, because that's so expected from Council mafia. So, would mafia from Council kill? Yes. With exactly chance than mafia outside of Council kills if they want frame.


Why i talk this? Don't assume anything. Don't clear someone outside or inside council because kill not happened.

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I have iron reason to not eluminate T-Bone. This reason probably should be obvious, but still.


I'm... not fully understand, why you came up with this and what these talk about, well expect for T-BoneVSBM megafight, for which i already have good ideas. Like, i see votes from last day and Mozamis with Almost actually voted together, and when i hammered Almost, Mozamis even didn't acted pissed or probably noticed it.

So i am not understand, why mozamis is clear town.

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Yeah, protecting no one was sane decision.

No matter how good and town someone looks, he could be mafia, even BM. So trading life of Townie-Townie for life of confirmed by track is insanely useful, so i don't understand what BM had.

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Yassuse, while you here, how you think about posibility of bussing, especially from BM?

Would someone to actually vote Almost50 just because and who you suspect more suspicious in this?

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Knowing BM expireince, it would be fabricated. But i really not sure, BM would save his teammate with easy.

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I want to hammer.

But also doesh't want, because not sure if we should really.

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I think killing T-Bone is... Bad decision.

Let me explain. We have tracks, as you remember. So, why not just track T-Bone?

If he is Mafia, he will skip/get catched. Either way we win or No Kill will happen.
Mafia will kill him and get rid of one of suspects for free.
Or Mafia will kill someone else, clearing T-Bone.

Why not? I find T-Bone powerful as Confirmed Townie. And stopping kill in theory could be useful.

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It's still gives us more elims.
*Shrug*

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Fine then.

I will (or you, if someone other if wish) punch when we have 1-2 days. There's no haste, and i am a bit paranoid with feeling we killing townie (which is possible with 1/7 chance to find Mafia). We probably should speak more.

Just in a case, i don't really need reason to not hammer, but there's really something off and i can feel it.

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Knowing BM expireince, it would be fabricated. But i really not sure, BM would save his teammate with easy.

Hmm well whether or not I could have saved A50 in that scenario, I'd certainly have understood the setup enough to know that bussing your scumbuddy on Day 1 is effectively game-throwing. Hence I don't believe anyone would do it, hence my preference that we work through the off-wagon pool before looking at people on the scum-elim.

Well. It possible, especially if mafia would choose "No Kill" tactic.

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3. In contrast to 2, your proposed night actions do come with a scum motive, as I laid out in post 848, and more generally the idea of not using the tracker to try and catch scum killing beggars belief.

Aren't his idea was to use Track on T-Bone and No-Protect?

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Either way I've caught BM in enough falsehoods, misrepresentations, and manipulations that you all should have no problem eliminating him tomorrow.

Say it with me class. 'T-Bone, we will have no problems eliminating Battle Mage tomorrow'.

Please and thank you.

Well. You know BM better than me if you claim he is your masonbuddy 1d, so if you say he is mafia with great chances, then it's possible.

We will consider this.

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Let's think about T-Bone motivation for a bit.


If T-Bone is Mafia:
So he suddenly realise, he is alone now. And his suggestion is "No Kill and Track me". So he forcing self for no-kill state. For what? If he is tracked and no one died, it doesh't confirm him at all. Could be it just bluff?

If T-Bone is Town:
Probably he acknowlidge, he in bad position from last day and can be mislynched. So his suggestion was to track him. If kill happened, it autoclears him. Would townie do that? Yeah, especially if T-Bone assumed if mafia skipped, they are idiots. So he probably sured mafia will kill someone, clear him and save us from some headache.


I still think, it's not favorable for mafia to kill anyone, but i can see T-Bone motive as Townie, but motivation as mafia would be only do that to seed doubt.

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Punch.

VOTE: T-Bone.

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It must be done somehow. We see, maybe game even ends.

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You can just realize I'm right and say it with me....eliminate Battle Mage tomorrow.

We will see.

If you are both townie, that's huge drawback though. Don't see reason to not listen to you.

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Oh. You managed to stop BM mindcontrol.

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Congratulations.