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[cyrus62]

VOTE: cyrus62 for market owner and VOTE: fle for tax evasion

[cyrus62]

haha I took 1st vote and 1st post

[cyrus62]

How much you win vfp vote cyrus62 for market owner

[cyrus62]

HEAL: cyrus62

[cyrus62]

fle why the omg vote. Heal cyrus62

[cyrus62]

/if i am mo it will be very goode

[cyrus62]

/if i am mo it will be very goode

why..? i only wanna vote someone who i think is townie, and i dont really have an idea on who that would be rn.

read my 1st post that's very townie

[cyrus62]

The Hitman is an extremely low tier item in this auction.
This is because its better for scum to just secure both the doc and the cop. If they can buy out both the doc and the cop, it kills 2 birds with 1 stone.
1. It denies the village the cop and the doc.
2. If they take the doc, they no longer need the hitman.

If the village puts way too much money on the hitman, scum will make you waste your money and secure the doc for themselves.

i disagree that is very good for scum means a kill cant be stoped. plus scum have 300 more then us so if your thinking doc helps here . over hitman your wrong . i count this post as scum trying to fool town in to letting scum get what they want.

[cyrus62]

remember only one person can bid with them self's right now town should work together there are more of us then scum . so 4 of us bid 500 on one item each day in order for scum to get any role they will have to out bid us . scum will have not enough money to bid high day 2 to beat us. as they will all be left with 300 . but we would still have 6 with 500. . so then if town . just bids 325 on day 2 we get every role. so whos up for trying this

[cyrus62]

i like my idea becuse it blocks two of their more powerful roles

[cyrus62]

/if i am mo it will be very goode

Can you provide a resume of past times you have broken a setup mechanically in favor of town?

i do that all the time . its just who i am 400% more odds so i guse we look at the good stuff and put it there but then town better have enough to out bid scum. fyi your slot alredy bided 250 . on one item how much is left?

[cyrus62]

i think gamma and kyouko are town

i think forming reads so quick is nai but i dislike it.

[cyrus62]

i think gamma and kyouko are town

i think forming reads so quick is nai but i dislike it.

You only dislike it because we aren’t sheep that will listen to your weak cries for power

one trick to this game is asking what one can bid on . me i will be honest , im broke right now but wont say what went where till later on.

[cyrus62]

so lets see only 7 pages nothing to real go by. im wondering where and what people have brought or spent thire money.

[cyrus62]

cyrus is the worst candidate for mo in this playerlist lets get real here

why cause im random. and do random things. the whole pick by mo everyday is random. so it favors me. random vs random i could get lucky and block scum from getting stuff.

[cyrus62]

btw last time market place was done town lost. i joind hoping i could change that.

[cyrus62]

On the powers: these all seem like pretty good powers for us to have or to keep out of scum hands. We can't block them since they have more cash. I think the best way to make sure they pay enough for them is if we all bid for exactly 1, bidding at least 401 for it, but randomly choosing which one to bid for (as in flip a coin twice, or use a 1-4 RNG). With 10 town players, that means there'd be a (3/4)^10 = 6% chance that no one bid for a particular power. So scum won't get any easy picks - if they want one they'll have to bid at least 402 for it, meaning we can outbid that player in future days.
I think that approach makes more sense than bidding for the one we individually decide is most important which could leave others 'easy pickings' for scum.

400 after you spent 400 what could you bid on d2?

[cyrus62]

Not much if you win your D1 bid, of course, but you get your money back if you're outbid.
If we get all four powers we still have six town players who can bid 400+ for other stuff D2.
I wouldn't recommend this for any mix of powers on D1, but in this case I think it's worth making sure we make these all pricey if scum want to outbid us, and this approach is the best I can see for ensuring we do that.

P-edit: yes, D2 it would not be smart to reveal who does/doesn't have money left.
Also that's why we should all bid 400+ on a random item today, as per my suggested approach, then scum can't gain any advantage by who they kill (beyond the usual factors).

that queston wasnt ment for you so scum points for you for helping.

[cyrus62]

Not much if you win your D1 bid, of course, but you get your money back if you're outbid.
If we get all four powers we still have six town players who can bid 400+ for other stuff D2.
I wouldn't recommend this for any mix of powers on D1, but in this case I think it's worth making sure we make these all pricey if scum want to outbid us, and this approach is the best I can see for ensuring we do that.

P-edit: yes, D2 it would not be smart to reveal who does/doesn't have money left.
Also that's why we should all bid 400+ on a random item today, as per my suggested approach, then scum can't gain any advantage by who they kill (beyond the usual factors).

that queston wasnt ment for you so scum points for you for helping.

my bad it was ment for you lol.

[cyrus62]

On the powers: these all seem like pretty good powers for us to have or to keep out of scum hands. We can't block them since they have more cash. I think the best way to make sure they pay enough for them is if we all bid for exactly 1, bidding at least 401 for it, but randomly choosing which one to bid for (as in flip a coin twice, or use a 1-4 RNG). With 10 town players, that means there'd be a (3/4)^10 = 6% chance that no one bid for a particular power. So scum won't get any easy picks - if they want one they'll have to bid at least 402 for it, meaning we can outbid that player in future days.
I think that approach makes more sense than bidding for the one we individually decide is most important which could leave others 'easy pickings' for scum.

Why did you decide to include Hitman amongst the roles we should roll for?

Actually I think 7 pages in we've got a pretty solid gamestate. Reads are being developed, and we've got equal amounts of generic vs mechanical discussion going.

I've been on a bit of a high from how MO is going and thinking about the setup strategy but game is kinda stagnant otherwise actually and the pink cloud is fading. Got any juicy scumreads? (I don't think MO candidates should discuss TRs today as it may influence scum to vote an MO that could be more likely to designate a scum replacement)

i think flea the magicians town, i would want to vote them as market owner but 52 seems like they wouldn't be confident enough with that ability.

i dont like distance and mistyx so far, but i dont really have anything i can put into words on them yet. i think for distance what stands out is 76 77 78..? not sure why but those feel weird

im a bit wary of ssbm_kyouko (for like no reason other then paranoia)

but 108 makes them feel more likely to be town.

i wanted to have feelings on gamma emerald, but i dont really have anything for them sadly ;-; 109 is something ill keep in mind tho

so i think ssbm_kyouko is who i would currently consider best as market owner, but im unsure

VOTE: distance

Marci, what part of 108 made me feel more likely town? Meant to ask this before bed but forgot. The post was split into two parts I considered separating into a double post and ofc someone replies and I can't tell which part they're addressing :/

i was thinking any one could use any role was hoping if i got hitman i could take out scum.

[cyrus62]

fyi the rules dont say you cant

[cyrus62]

On the powers: these all seem like pretty good powers for us to have or to keep out of scum hands. We can't block them since they have more cash. I think the best way to make sure they pay enough for them is if we all bid for exactly 1, bidding at least 401 for it, but randomly choosing which one to bid for (as in flip a coin twice, or use a 1-4 RNG). With 10 town players, that means there'd be a (3/4)^10 = 6% chance that no one bid for a particular power. So scum won't get any easy picks - if they want one they'll have to bid at least 402 for it, meaning we can outbid that player in future days.

I think that approach makes more sense than bidding for the one we individually decide is most important which could leave others 'easy pickings' for scum.

Numerically a good approach on days when all the powers are strong but hitman does not warrant 400 for a takeaway if the winning townie will live the day. This reminds me, under no circumstances (except extenuating deadline ones) should we hammer before claims in this game, even D1, as if a townie is going to be misexecuted, and they feel certain of it, they can potentially spend 500 on a scum role (today that is hitman) before they are hammered if they have not bid on anything yet.

It's also worth pointing out that based on the midday flip it appears that a single townie already bid their 500 dogebux by evenly spreading them amongst the 4 roles so our probability here is likely 8% rather than 6%, and that's only if all town follow the strat.

Two things:

First, the risk with designating a scum role as 'for the person who's about to be convicted to bid on' is:
- other townies don't bid on it, the convicted person gets quick-hammered, and scum get the role for cheap
- other townies don't bid on it, the convicted person is scum, and other scum get the role for cheap

Second, I agree it's reasonable to assume it was a single person who bid 125 on all four roles... but why do you assume they must be townie?

i wonder who that was.

[cyrus62]

i should out bid one of those oh wait i cant cuse im broke lol.

[cyrus62]

truth is one scum could out bid all four easy. but will they if a scum is broke by doing so look for buses.

[cyrus62]

well it will cost him atleast 126.

[cyrus62]

hey i was hoping i could win all 4 and become all powerful now i find out if i win hit man i cant use it shame.

[cyrus62]

note to self d2 wait to bid.

[cyrus62]

@mod can i get a vote count so i can heal some one else

fyi my vote hasn't change from rvs i real should. UNVOTE: it till after i find a better scum

[cyrus62]

so no rush right now okay

[cyrus62]

HEAL: ssbm_Kyouko one way to cat6ch scum look at d2 roles

[cyrus62]

btw last time market place was done town lost. i joind hoping i could change that.

Actually Alisae was the last to run it and it was a town win

hmmm i clicked the link that was provided in the sign up so i could be wrong. fyi if i was scum the bids would have been higher then 125 each. most likely i would have done 150 each. or maybe 175. why becuse it would have draind town more. 125 is easy for town to out bid. and also i said 10 vs 3 4 slots 4 days 500 from town on all slots 1st two days would have hurt scum the most only 3 scum if they out bided the 500 they wouldnt be able to out bid town for the last 3 days. but that was on page 2 i think .

[cyrus62]

however we dont have pt so that is a bad idea cause scum would just aim for those 4 people.

[cyrus62]

starting to feel gamma is just a toxic player. so i most likely will just ignore them. as town i dont lie and as scum i still dont lie. so to think i lied or to even suggest i am urks me badly. read my scum games again gamma you will see i do not lie . even in life. my one fault and most likely why i stink at being scum is never ever lieing.

[cyrus62]

if i said i bided on all four roles and put 125 on each then that's what i did. i should have read the rules better cause i thought i could remove a bid and raise one.

[cyrus62]

i dont see not one else coming forward do you?

[cyrus62]

fyi i wouldnt trust gamma to town the random shade comes off as scum.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald this gives gamma the most votes . so they are on the choping block.

[cyrus62]

starting to feel gamma is just a toxic player. so i most likely will just ignore them. as town i dont lie and as scum i still dont lie. so to think i lied or to even suggest i am urks me badly. read my scum games again gamma you will see i do not lie . even in life. my one fault and most likely why i stink at being scum is never ever lieing.

okay then let's test that

are you scum

no

[cyrus62]

because either you're lying about never lying or that's a trust tell

the wife hates it in life and my family does to . i dont lie.

[cyrus62]

starting to feel gamma is just a toxic player. so i most likely will just ignore them. as town i dont lie and as scum i still dont lie. so to think i lied or to even suggest i am urks me badly. read my scum games again gamma you will see i do not lie . even in life. my one fault and most likely why i stink at being scum is never ever lieing.

lmao
So you’re calling me toxic because I distrust you in a game all about doubting people?

no im calling you toxic for never trying to read me

[cyrus62]

my main questin is why hasnt any one besides me bided

[cyrus62]

i should have been out bided by now.

[cyrus62]

i dont think docs cant heal them selfs so maybe scum will let me win and nk me.

[cyrus62]

oh that is wrong i ment docs cant heal them selfs.

[cyrus62]

if i was scum i would hope one town won all 4 roles or at least both pr roles and take them out.

[cyrus62]

I think I was wrong though. Scum could just as easily all agree not to place any bids, to see what town bids before committing any funds. The important thing here is the timing at which the 401 strat was announced. It's very convenient if Imaginality is town, and if he is scum it drives our wallets low enough we can easily be outbid later.

Ahh yeah, i thought scum was just gonna wait to place their bids because they wanna get as much use for their money as they can
you seem so focused on imaginality, are u confident about ur read on them?

if i was scum i would hope one town won all 4 roles or at least both pr roles and take them out.

so like, do u wanna be outbid or not..? im a bit confused, earlier u said u wanted power.. but u seem a bit scared.

i didnt think of what it meant for one person to have both pr roles

[cyrus62]

5 hours after what is apparently scum trying to gauge where the town is bidding (whether Cyrus is scum or not, tbh he is the only player in the lobby I would say the 125 split is NAI for with confidence). They see nobody is bidding high yet. 5 hours later, in comes Imaginality to lead town toward spending 400 on all roles. Imagine scum dont bid on anything toDay. Town spends 1600,

loses 500, or 100 and a purchased role

, then in the likely situation that they avoid hitting the doctor target and get a kill, that's another 500 down.

The bolded part assumes we mis-exile. We could exile scum...
Even if we grant your assumption, we're 500 (or X and a purchased role) down x2 if scum successfully nightkill regardless of what bidding strategy we implement. It makes no sense not to bid hard - and without a PT the only way we can reliably cover all the PRs (enough to force scum to bid high for them) without scum knowing who to target for their NK is if we each choose randomly.

Where was this strategy before midday? We were already very deep into mechanical discussion when he made his previous post, so why not bring it up before midDay?

Hadn't thought of it by then. At first I was wondering if there was a way we could assign people by name to each PR but that gives scum too much information for their NK tonight and subsequent nights.

While his suggestion is appealing at first, even to me, from a numbers standpoint, I think what they are doing is baiting town into spending a lot of their money so that in later days scum can outbid.

We get our money back if we're outbid.
I think these roles are worth bidding for.
It's less advantageous to us to get roles on later days - less chance to use them, more chance to be NKed before using them.

The next bit gets tinfoil, but I would not be surprised to find out flea is the scum's preferred MO candidate and see that Imaginality eventually concedes and switches his vote there as I'm currently leading. Whether his means flea is scum or one of the scum has a friendly relationship with Flea that may lead Flea to elect that scum as a replacement, I do not know.

Right now if I vote someone other than me as MO I'd lean more towards Cupcake Butterfly.


@Misty re the scumslip: I felt the comment where ssbm assumed the 125 voter was town was suspicious - in that if he is scum (and they aren't the 125 voter(s)), he would know the 125 voter is town. So I feel that apparent assumption could be indicative of hidden knowledge.

look i did it and now scum is going let me win all 4 and kill me at night.

[cyrus62]

look i did it and now scum is going let me win all 4 and kill me at night.

Cyrus, who

actually

made those bids doesn't make a difference to my point that

ssbm stating with certainty that town did it

(before you started hinting it was you) is suspicious.

Are you sure the bolded is your actual interpretation of my post (snipped below)?

It's also worth pointing out that based on the midday flip it appears that a single townie already bid their 500 dogebux by evenly spreading them amongst the 4 roles so our probability here is likely 8% rather than 6%, and that's only if all town follow the strat.

I admit I didn't remember the 'it appears' but I still think your decision to say 'townie' rather than 'player' is questionable. As is your downplaying of hitman in other posts.

I hinted it was me long before that.

[cyrus62]

i think gamma and kyouko are town

i think forming reads so quick is nai but i dislike it.

You only dislike it because we aren’t sheep that will listen to your weak cries for power

one trick to this game is asking what one can bid on . me i will be honest , im broke right now but wont say what went where till later on.

post 129 . I said I was broke but won't say what went where till later. Well 125x4 =500

[cyrus62]

so 50 post before so you're sade is bad.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: Imaginality bad push bad shad . Also not following the game. Yes I know it was a weak crumb but it worked.

[cyrus62]

i have like 4 scum leans so im going try to get that down to 3 and the rest is null or town leans.

[cyrus62]

top scum leans imganity gamma flea and ssbm

[cyrus62]

HEAL: vfp

[cyrus62]

top scum leans imganity gamma flea and ssbm

This feels a lil reactive, and I wanna poke it.

Any reasoning you're willing to share?

imganity for shade and bad push. gamma for trying to discredit it , ssbm for being overly townie. and you for useing , post counts to vote, 4 games so i cant post overly in al.

[cyrus62]

yes fle should of been at the bottom of my top 4 scum leans .

[cyrus62]

14 hours till day ends

[cyrus62]

Sure, but that's not what Alisae was saying.

i think gamma and kyouko are town

i think forming reads so quick is nai but i dislike it.

You only dislike it because we aren’t sheep that will listen to your weak cries for power

one trick to this game is asking what one can bid on . me i will be honest , im broke right now but wont say what went where till later on.

There doesn't seem to be a heap of good reasons for a town player to announce they've spent their full wad. There is a good reason for scum to - to deter town from voting you out.

VOTE: cyrus62

VOTE: Imaginality bad push bad shad . Also not following the game. Yes I know it was a weak crumb but it worked.

am i blind o-o wheres the shade in imaginalitys posts?

I’m town.

I don't like this.

why dont u like it?

Weekend stuff.

UNVOTE: Gamma

Kitty may be scum for multiple reasons. I'll think when I'm on.

Being busy means I'm scum. I see.

do u have spicy tea for us?

Smoke and Distance are two of my SRs at this point in the game.

i see u mentioned something about smoke that you dont like, but what makes distance one of ur scumreads..?

I don't want ssbm as MO, I think Cupcake is a better pick than Flea. I'd go for Flea if it's still between Flea or ssbm closer to day end though.

what makes u want cupcake as market owner? (:

HEAL: vfp

why vfp?

ssbm for being overly townie.

whys being overly townie put them in ur scumreads..? isn't being overly townie a good thing ?

scum want to be thought as scummy. town can use a little bit of scum so they can live past the nk.

[cyrus62]

OK, so I haven't actually voted or pushed based on activity, I generally find activity to be NAI and I like to encourage people to participate.

Show your working for me? Because I am not seeing what you're seeing at all.

basically imagnality started saying i was sus for stateing like i was trying to get town cred for saying i was the one who bided on everything only after . ssbm said i looked like town. but before that he was trying to say i was bad for saying i blow my money already. it cant be both ways. either he isnt reading his own post or hes just making bad pushes.

[cyrus62]

Sure, but that's not what Alisae was saying.

i think gamma and kyouko are town

i think forming reads so quick is nai but i dislike it.

You only dislike it because we aren’t sheep that will listen to your weak cries for power

one trick to this game is asking what one can bid on . me i will be honest , im broke right now but wont say what went where till later on.

There doesn't seem to be a heap of good reasons for a town player to announce they've spent their full wad. There is a good reason for scum to - to deter town from voting you out.

VOTE: cyrus62

VOTE: Imaginality bad push bad shad . Also not following the game. Yes I know it was a weak crumb but it worked.

am i blind o-o wheres the shade in imaginalitys posts?

I’m town.

I don't like this.

why dont u like it?

Weekend stuff.

UNVOTE: Gamma

Kitty may be scum for multiple reasons. I'll think when I'm on.

Being busy means I'm scum. I see.

do u have spicy tea for us?

Smoke and Distance are two of my SRs at this point in the game.

i see u mentioned something about smoke that you dont like, but what makes distance one of ur scumreads..?

I don't want ssbm as MO, I think Cupcake is a better pick than Flea. I'd go for Flea if it's still between Flea or ssbm closer to day end though.

what makes u want cupcake as market owner? (:

HEAL: vfp

why vfp?

ssbm for being overly townie.

whys being overly townie put them in ur scumreads..? isn't being overly townie a good thing ?

scum want to be thought as scummy. town can use a little bit of scum so they can live past the nk.

i messd up here i ment scum want to be seen as town like as they can.

[cyrus62]

The variance in post counts does me a concern...

VOTE: cyrus for now, Distance really needs to pick up some slack...

In an odd move I'm actually not going to support anyone else for MO because ssbm while the reasonable take is making me raise an eyebrow a touch.

what was this then

[cyrus62]

OK, so I haven't actually voted or pushed based on activity, I generally find activity to be NAI and I like to encourage people to participate.

Show your working for me? Because I am not seeing what you're seeing at all.

basically imagnality started saying i was sus for stateing like i was trying to get town cred for saying i was the one who bided on everything only after . ssbm said i looked like town.

but before that he was trying to say i was bad for saying i blow my money already. it cant be both ways. either he isnt reading his own post or hes just making bad pushes

.

Are you talking about me or Imaginality here when you say "he"?

i call everyone he sorry but it was at imagin

[cyrus62]

is it just me or no one else biding?

[cyrus62]

Talking of impressions, I agree with the impression you have about cyrus re. the bidding.

Here's an alternate strategy, the '4 the lulz' strategy: no one bids, and scum also agree not to bid. Just because it would be funny if cyrus really wins all four roles for 125 each.

docs cant save them selfs can they?

[cyrus62]

lol then im dead with the cop

[cyrus62]

lol then im dead with the cop

actually why did you not consider this when you initially placed bets

if you thought you could get both, then why make it obvious you were the one who put everything in?

i dont think before i act lol.

[cyrus62]

you or any one could outbid me at 126

[cyrus62]

Toppity top

Big deal I stole the 1st post.

[cyrus62]

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cyrus62
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Distance
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Cyrus what's on your mind this close to deadline?

I'm dead

[cyrus62]

Oops stupid phone

[cyrus62]

no you’re not

all 4 roles scum set me up

[cyrus62]

I did my scum hunting. Stated who I seen as scum and will see where it gos

[cyrus62]

Very odd so ssbm what can you bid on?

[cyrus62]

I was asking what they could bid on today as you see he stated he video 425 yesterday

[cyrus62]

Bided

[cyrus62]

While I'm at it I'll vote VFP. I feel like as the default candidate in a slow game working on plurality like this it's easy for as little as 1 scum to make town!Kitty go through easily.

I also like misty better than smoke/Imaginality at this point, and still am harboring suspicion about VFP's heal votes for MO early game.

VOTE: VFP

This puts him to 2, not sure what happens in a tie in plurality

You surmised a reality that Kitty was town, how does their scumflip affect your reads?

125+300 is 425. I think cyrus is here as scum to buy something for 425

I'm failing to see the leap of logic where Cyrus bids 425, did you mention it in a previous post?

Thanks for the unlock boss.

I enhanced 1-shot BP and the three 2-shots that were rolled. I did not enhance the 1-shot AD, was going to enhance that for tomorrow's auction

Were there any roles you weren't going to entertain boosting at all?

i spent 125 on everything at the start of day one thinking i would at least make scum pay at least 126 on every thing and only 3 scum would have meant one would have two bet 126 twice. making it to where that one would have had less then 548 to bet with day2

[cyrus62]

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

Beyond that, I am treating MistyX as town. (Flea would be here, too.)

Beyond that, I'm trusting enough in market owner ssbm to be town.

So from that, 6/11 town, including myself 7/11 town, which leaves 2 scum in 4 names: VFP, marcistar, cyrus, and Cupcake Butterfly.

If I had to take a blind guess of blind guesses, it'd be VFP + Cupcake Butterfly but I've got literally zero logic for this.

VOTE: VFP

HEAL: Smoke and Mirrors

day1 would kinda stink for scum wouldn't it? that means they have less then 1600 between them and 3 days to go damn.

[cyrus62]

Wow and I thought I was off the walls. I have 500 again can you guise why.

[cyrus62]

Idk did you start with 500 yea
Didn't you say you bidder 125 on each item day1 wow looks like you lost on all 4.

[cyrus62]

Is the day kill for scum only?

[cyrus62]

VOTE: Vfp who knows what the flip would mean .

[cyrus62]

so im trying to think of how much money scum have left and how much town has left

[cyrus62]

so a safe bet would be 380 maybe

[cyrus62]

Very few a e talking to day

[cyrus62]

Boring gee do we have day shots I would love that

[cyrus62]

I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

quote="Gamma 440"]I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum can't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.[/quote] now that's smart thinking on your part i can get behind you as town on this comment so is my vote in a bad spot cause with just 3 days till vote is over it will be tricky wagons. yes i do normaly know what scum is doing unless we are playing i forgot the name of this game.

[cyrus62]

I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

quote="Gamma 440"]I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum can't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.[/quote]


now that's smart thinking on your part i can get behind you as town on this comment so is my vote in a bad spot cause with just 3 days till vote is over it will be tricky wagons. yes i do normaly know what scum is doing unless we are playing i forgot the name of this game.

[cyrus62]

I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

quote="Gamma 440"]I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum can't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.[/quote] something is broken here

[cyrus62]

Ok yeah I'm really going to need someone to case VFP-scum if they still think such. I'm both unconvinced and underwhelmed by the enthusiasm for that lim in proportion to it becoming an L1 wagon.

Mastina still mirrors how I see myself as scum in a sense.

I'm really wanting SS to engage with my posts or the game more. I understand that an offensive play is not their style, but I only cared for Misty's posting on a surface level and I need more.

i honestly think no one should vote till we do reads better as who ever has the most votes dies at end of day. UNVOTE:

[cyrus62]

No invite other wise random person dies

[cyrus62]

Reposting in a tidied up easier to quote form:
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I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum canf't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.

as I was saying I could get behind you as they wn for thinking like this

[cyrus62]

14 hours till dead line and no ones unvoteing so if Vfp flips town we hunt on the wagon

[cyrus62]

Page top suckers

[cyrus62]

VOTE: no execute

[cyrus62]

VOTE: vfp why do you want everyone off him?z?.z?

[cyrus62]

You talk a lot don't you. I normally try to see who's off in games . Your talking a lot more now @ssbm

[cyrus62]

You talk a lot don't you. I normally try to see who's off in games . Your talking a lot more now @ssbm

[cyrus62]

VOTE: s&m

[cyrus62]

Pop pop someone out of 4dies in 6 hours wonder who it is pop pop sorry I told you guys if it's a tie it's random between those 4

[cyrus62]

Pop pop someone out of 4dies in 6 hours wonder who it is pop pop sorry I told you guys if it's a tie it's random between those 4

S_S dies with the current cc because you unvoted VFP. in the case of a tie, the player that has been at the tied vc the longest dies. By unvoting it means VFP or another wagon will need 4 votes to go through over S_S

Doesn't this seem thought out.

[cyrus62]

If you don't die your being voted off next. Scum tend to kill if they think they will get mo next.

[cyrus62]

If you don't die your being voted off next. Scum tend to kill if they think they will get mo next.

[cyrus62]

So we only have to scum left ok I like my vote on s and m b but if as flips town and submit lives to day3