Newbie 2075: Icecream Cake (Game Over)

[GuyInFreezer]

Newbie 2075: Icecream Cake

Player	Status	Flip
Quiet Owl	Alive	-
navigatorv Dorsey	Eliminated Night 2	Town Mason
MegAzumarill	Alive	-
Sea monkey	Eliminated Day 1	Vanilla Townie
T3 (SE)	Alive	-
Cook (SE)	Eliminated Day 2	Mafia Goon
Psyche Looker (SE)	Alive	-
Kerset (SE)	Eliminated Night 1	Vanilla Townie
Whemestar (SE)	Alive	-

[GuyInFreezer]

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Sample Role PM:

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[GuyInFreezer]

Introduction and Tips

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

[GuyInFreezer]

I am currently waiting on one more confirmation. Game will begin once the last player confirms or replaced for not confirming in time.

[GuyInFreezer]

Quiet Owl replaces pipsqueak. Game will begin once Quiet Owl confirms.

[GuyInFreezer]

With everyone confirmed, Day 1 begins.

VC 1.00

Not voting:

Quiet Owl, navigatorv, MegAzumarill, benpopham, T3, Cook, Psyche, Kerset, Whemestar

With

9

alive,

5

votes to eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-16 11:51:42)

[Psyche]

ego

[MegAzumarill]

Why do you have to always make your players hungry with your theme choices GuyinFreezer.
Now I want to eat something.
VOTE: Cook Until they make some food for the rest of town.

[Cook]

hello everyone! i have been working on a strategy so that we can narrow down the initial setup incredibly quickly, and while we're at it, clear a bunch of players and generally make it much harder for scum to beat us.

to execute this strategy, i'm going to ask:

If there is a Tracker, claim now.

once that tracker claims, protective,

be on that Tracker.

Tracker, post results.

if there's no tracker then we have a fairly normal day one.

[Psyche]

VOTE: Cook

why not just outline the strategy? instead of just asking everyone else in the game to trust you're both town and have worked out the math?

[Kerset]

Shouldn't we have the setup on first page?

[Kerset]

once that tracker claims, protective, be on that Tracker. Tracker, post results.

or we get B1 and bye bye

[Kerset]

VOTE: T3
i see you too often, die on d1

[navigatorv]

Can't really say that Cook's play looks very good, though it also seems like a beginner scum mistake which doesn't work with her being SE so I'm not sure that's a scumtell exactly.
I'm inclined to distrust T3 as well since my last game with him showed how much of a hindrance he can be to town, but it's possible he may have learned a lesson (or at least I hope so)

[Cook]

Alright, full strategy, day by day:

Day One

Tracker claims Day One, protectives on the Tracker.

We tentatively clear that player as Town and focus on other people until then. If Masons claim to counter Tracker claim then we eliminate the Tracker. If a Mason doesn't die the night following then we eliminate both Mason claims (as they're scum) and that's game.

If no Tracker claims, we have a normal Day One but now we know we're not in A2, B1, or B3.

Night One

If Tracker has claimed then Doctor/Jailkeeper on the Tracker.

As long as Tracker does something we can then sort the setup the next day.

If no Tracker claims, then there must be a Cop, FN, or Masons.

No strategy or leashing there.

Day Two

Tracker

reports result. If they're roleblocked, then we know for certain we are in A2.

Cop

claims Day Two with result. Assuming nobody counterclaims it then we trust the Cop as an Innocent Child and their clear as a tentative IC or elim target.

If you got a Friendly Neighbor message N1, claim you received one but not who it is until either you or the FN are run up to E-1.

We need at least

two

people to get FN messages, so that scum can't work together to fabricate an FN claim. Also,

scum, keep in mind if you shoot someone in this claim space, that confirms everyone else in the ring as Town. Fakeclaiming you got the message won't help, either, as you'll get run up and get the FN confirmed.

One Mason

, claim Cop with a clear on the other Mason.

If we have a claimed tracker with a result and no claimed FN message then we know we're in B3. If we have a claimed tracker with no result we're in A2. If we have a claimed tracker with an FN message then we know we're in B1.

If we confirm we're in B3,

play Follow the Cop just like in Matrix6, since scum can't block the Tracker.

If we confirm we're in B1, then we

soft-clear the Tracker's result if it's "no visit", and soft-scum the Tracker's result if it is "visit".

If we confirm we're in A2, then we use the

Tracker as an Innocent Child

and solve the game.

[Cook]

Night Two

Cop

target someone. If there's a

Doctor

, go on the

Cop.

Mason who claimed Cop

just sit tight.

Tracker

target someone. Depending on the setup different things might happen.

If Cop dies tonight then we know we're in C1 and we play the game mountainous with an IC (cop's result).

Scum, if you shoot the Cop then you just confirmed their result. Scum, if you shoot the result you just confirmed the Cop.

If Cop is blocked tonight then we know we're in A1 and treat the Cop like an IC.

Tracker is either blocked or stays alive. Guaranteed we can use them like a weaker Cop since they just got two free results. follow the tracker isn't any better than follow the cop

Masons if the clear is killed then claim Masons with them. Masons if the cop is killed then the clear claims Masons with them. If neither of you die, cop claim blocked (as you probably were) and we'll try to solve the game as if we're in A1, but reveal your true claim if the majority starts getting dicey.

No matter what we always have an advantage over scum if we're in a Mason setup, as they can't find nor "stop" masons (as roleblocker is useless and rolecop can't roll against them.

[Cook]

Assuming we miselim D1 (as the odds tell us we will) in all situations where there's

no

counterclaim...

A1

– nobody claims d1, we miseliminate a Townie. Cop, Doc, 4 VT, 2 Scum.
n1 a VT dies. Cop, Doc, 3 VT, 2 Scum.
d2 cop claims with a clear. Cop and a Townie are cleared (probably VT).

Confirmed Cop and VT

, Doc, 3 VT, 2 Scum. We either miselim a VT or eliminate a scum. either

Cop, VT

, Doc, 2 VT, 2 Scum OR

Cop, VT

, Doc, 3 VT, 1 Scum. The math is trivial from here.
n2 cop is blocked and someone is shot. let's assume the worst and it's doc.

Cop, VT

, 2 VT, 2 Scum.
d3 is

Cop, VT

, 2 VT, 2 Scum. 50/50 but assume that it's weighted towards a scum dying.

Cop, VT

, 2 VT, 1 Scum. Math is trivial.

A2

– tracker claims d1, we miseliminate a Townie.

Track

, JK, 4 VT, 2 Scum.
n1 a VT dies.

track

, jk, 3 VT, 2 scum.
d2 tracker claims blocked. we now know it's A2. We either miselim a VT (

track

, jk, 2 vt, 2 scum), or we elim a scum (and math is trivial). there's also the option that a scum suicides to get the JK to claim.

Don't fall for this. Just eliminate a Jailkeeper claim day two.

n2 tracker is blocked and let's say another vt is shot.

track

, jk, 1 vt, 2 scum.
d3 is power role claiming day. 50/50 shot at winning this. if we win this then the tracker dies due to jailkeeper blockage but we now have a confirmed jailkeeper who is the kingmaker in this situation.

A3

– no claim d1, vt mislim. 2 mason, 4 vt, 2 scum.
n1 either a vt or a mason dies. in VT case it's 2 mason 3 vt 2 scum. in mason case then we'll have a confirmed

mason

, 4 vt, 2 scum.
d2 then we have the cop claim strategy:

mason, mason

, 3 vt, 2 scum. 40% chance to nail a scum and then math is trivial, but still excellent odds from here on out.

B1

– tracker claims d1, we miseliminate a Townie.

track

, FN, 4 VT, 2 scum.
n1 either Tracker or VT dies.

Track

, FN, 3 VT, 2 Scum, or FN, 4 VT, 2 Scum.
d2 then someone claims the FN message.

Track

, FN, 2 VT, 2 Scum, or

Track

, FN, 3 VT, or 1 Scum.
n2 then the Tracker dies. FN, 2 VT, 2 Scum, or FN, 3 VT, 1 Scum.
d3 then the FN can claim with 2 people backing it up.

FN

,

softclear 2 players from 2 VT, 2 Scum

, or

FN

,

softclear 1 VT

, and one player from 2 VT, 1 Scum. Math is trivial.

[Cook]

B2

– no claim d1. mislim townie.
n1 vt is killed.
d2 we have an fn message. protect the message claim.
n2 another vt is killed. 2 prs, 2 vts, 2 scum, or 2 prs, 3 vts, 1 scum.
d3 fn is confirmed no matter who dies or whatnot. jailkeeper never claim here. we either win at this point, nail a scum (2 prs, 2 vts, 1 scum), or mislim a vt, which makes the math really easy.

B3

– tracker claims d1. mislim townie.
n1 vt is killed.
d2 no fn message. follow the cop. game instantly over.

C1

– no claim d1. mislim townie.
n1 vt is killed.
d2 cop claims with a result. mislim townie or nail scum. cop and 4 vt versus 2 scum or cop and 5 vt vs 1 scum.
n2 cop might be shot because scum know there's no protective. 1 ic, 3 vt versus 2 scum or 1 ic, 4 vt versus 1 scum. math is trivial.
d3 cop, if alive, confirms another player. PoE the others. math is trivial. if not alive, the IC leads the game and publishes a read list and we PoE from there. math is trivial.

C2

– no claim d1 mis lim townie.
n1 vt is killed.
d2 nobody claims. mislim townie.
n2 ... this is the worst setup out of all of them for this strategy.

C3

– no claim d1. mislim townie.
n1 vt is killed.
d2 we do the mason claim thingie. soft clears both of them.
n2 the cop claim might be shot because scum knows there's no protective.
d3 if a mason died the other one claims partners, IC leads the game and publishes a reads list and we PoE from there. math is trivial.

[Cook]

now this strategy would have worked infinitely better if i didn't have to explain it to you and you just blindly trusted me, because now scum know the strategy in its full and can counter it.

hats off to you for breaking the breaking strategy, psyche.

VOTE: No elimination.

[navigatorv]

It's incredibly hopeful of you to expect all that to work out with you only telling us bits at a time (at least I assume that's how you planned to do it since fully explaining ruins it). Seems like something that works in theory but falls apart in practice, especially since it relies on everyone falling your lead before we've even had a chance to determine trust

[Cook]

It's incredibly hopeful of you to expect all that to work out with you only telling us bits at a time (at least I assume that's how you planned to do it since fully explaining ruins it). Seems like something that works in theory but falls apart in practice, especially since it relies on everyone falling your lead before we've even had a chance to determine trust

if protectives are really good at crumbing stealthily then this setup does come down to math. there are good and bad setups, but in the end the goal is to publicize as much information as possible to limit scum fakeclaims and to ensure town can come in to the mid-to-late game with as much information as possible to then pulverize scum.

we can still do this. (expired on 2021-08-07 17:34:15) before i assume there's no tracker and we just get on with it.

[Psyche]

i can't just give unsorted users a pass for soliciting roleclaims just because they say they have a strategy

[Cook]

i can't just give unsorted users a pass for soliciting roleclaims just because they say they have a strategy

yeah that's fair.

[navigatorv]

It's incredibly hopeful of you to expect all that to work out with you only telling us bits at a time (at least I assume that's how you planned to do it since fully explaining ruins it). Seems like something that works in theory but falls apart in practice, especially since it relies on everyone falling your lead before we've even had a chance to determine trust

if protectives are really good at crumbing stealthily then this setup does come down to math. there are good and bad setups, but in the end the goal is to publicize as much information as possible to limit scum fakeclaims and to ensure town can come in to the mid-to-late game with as much information as possible to then pulverize scum.

we can still do this. (expired on 2021-08-07 17:34:15) before i assume there's no tracker and we just get on with it.

Isn't that setup also really good for scum to take advantage of though? Only you know the strategy so if you were scum and PRs were gullible enough, you'd know both one of the PRs and what the other one you'll have to worry about is. All you have to do after that is make something up that sounds like it works.

Also if the goal is to publicize as much information as possible, why does your plan rely on keeping everyone but you in the dark? I don't quite understand the logic.

All that said, I have my doubts about how scummy you really are, we're *very* early day 1 and I like to reserve my judgement for when something really feels off to me, but you are starting off with the lowest townvibes this game

[Quiet Owl]

there's also the option that a scum suicides to get the JK to claim.

Scum can night-kill themselves??