Mini 2237: Scarlet Witch Alternate Reality Mafia - Game Over
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Are you really gonna reference the game where I dunked you after fighting off scum reads from an imploding town all game...?In post 31, mastina wrote:Thinking about it, I'd actually put Roden on the same tier of scum as Shrek. Maybe, possibly, even more scum but not sure about that. I genuinely don't think this is the same Roden I've seen before when Roden was town. Admittedly, sample size is small, and game is in its infancy, so I could be wrong but for page two reads you gotta cut me at leastIn post 25, mastina wrote:CheekyTeeky
Enchant
Not_Mafia
T3
cyrus62
Guillotina
Galron
Zyla
MegAzumarill
Hiraki
Roden
Shreksomeslack.
So I think I'm comfortable, with what I've seen, calling Roden a proper scumread here.
I should be lock town then since I'm not playing any different.In post 47, mastina wrote:I mean that's my baseline for you, soooo...yes?In post 38, Roden wrote:Are you really gonna reference the game where I dunked you after fighting off scum reads from an imploding town all game...?
How so?In post 53, mastina wrote:Btw I realize two different games are different and the span of time for comparison is incredibly limited (I've got to compare like first 24 hours and first 3 pages, no more), but to my vibecheck this didn't pass as the play hereIn post 48, Roden wrote:I should be lock town then since I'm not playing any different.In post 47, mastina wrote:I mean that's my baseline for you, soooo...yes?In post 38, Roden wrote:Are you really gonna reference the game where I dunked you after fighting off scum reads from an imploding town all game...?feelsdifferent from the play in Chrono Trigger.
Trying to get me out early so you don't get caught again huhIn post 90, Guillotina wrote:In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.
If you are town you should be policy yote
If you are scum then you should be yeeted.
Scum
Rode
Cyrus
This game is gonna be easy
VOTE: GuilloIn post 62, Guillotina wrote:Falling for Mastina's trap.In post 22, Roden wrote:It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.
Target's Mastina and recognizes her as a threat.
Scum tell. Hunting for 3Ps already. Wowee.In post 39, Roden wrote:Mastina third party?
T3 could be their partner, this looks like distancing.In post 44, Roden wrote:T3 are you not town
Calling out Mastina's legitimacy of her reads when it's obvious the list is a RT.In post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
I'm so good at catching wolves when trying to blend in.
Thank you Mastina!
Nice scum claim.
Nice revisionist history. I had you pegged Day 1, you just got saved by town who scum read me for scum reading you.In post 119, Guillotina wrote:When have you ever caught me? Our first game where i was scum and had you all pocketed, i had to sub out due to family tragedy, otherwise you'd be still remembering the whooping i gave you today.In post 115, Roden wrote:Trying to get me out early so you don't get caught again huhIn post 90, Guillotina wrote:In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.
If you are town you should be policy yote
If you are scum then you should be yeeted.
Scum
Rode
Cyrus
This game is gonna be easy
This is scum looking for a shitty reason to OMGUS. I got you good Roden huh?In post 116, Roden wrote:VOTE: GuilloIn post 62, Guillotina wrote:Falling for Mastina's trap.In post 22, Roden wrote:It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.
Target's Mastina and recognizes her as a threat.
Scum tell. Hunting for 3Ps already. Wowee.In post 39, Roden wrote:Mastina third party?
T3 could be their partner, this looks like distancing.In post 44, Roden wrote:T3 are you not town
Calling out Mastina's legitimacy of her reads when it's obvious the list is a RT.In post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
I'm so good at catching wolves when trying to blend in.
Thank you Mastina!
Nice scum claim.
Stop attacking the player instead of the play if you ever hope to become as great as i am.In post 118, Roden wrote:I hope not because his town game would be abysmally bad compared to his scum game then.In post 117, Shrek wrote:i think he means 'when they are trying to blend in'
You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.
You're playingIn post 145, T3 wrote:The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.
very
differently this game.Nah, I do it all the time as town because my town meta is obvious. T3 also likes to meta dive so that's why I'm offering that to him.In post 169, cyrus62 wrote:Some one told me scum use self meta. Town use others meta. So you using self meta makes you look bad.In post 167, Roden wrote:You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.
That just makes it easier to catch him of he goes full bad meta.In post 174, cyrus62 wrote:careful he used my meta one time to say I was scum when I was town.In post 172, Roden wrote:Nah, I do it all the time as town because my town meta is obvious. T3 also likes to meta dive so that's why I'm offering that to him.In post 169, cyrus62 wrote:Some one told me scum use self meta. Town use others meta. So you using self meta makes you look bad.In post 167, Roden wrote:You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.
Only if scum doesn't actually intend to get me to E-1. Otherwise my wagon is pretty pointless.In post 178, cyrus62 wrote:Wouldn't that help scum more then town?In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.
Where.In post 180, Galron wrote:Walking contradiction.In post 167, Roden wrote:You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.
I don't, I'm just hoping I'm not wrong because if not...yikes.In post 181, cyrus62 wrote:How do you know it's scum on your wagon and not town?In post 179, Roden wrote:Only if scum doesn't actually intend to get me to E-1. Otherwise my wagon is pretty pointless.In post 178, cyrus62 wrote:Wouldn't that help scum more then town?In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.
That's...not a contradiction?In post 190, Galron wrote:You tell him he knows your meta then you tell him to meta dive you.In post 182, Roden wrote:Where.In post 180, Galron wrote:Walking contradiction.In post 167, Roden wrote:You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.
To post it? Why is everyone acting like they've never seen someone share a meta dive before?In post 194, Shrek wrote:if he knows your meta why would he meta dive you
I did. I got auto wagon'd for it lol.In post 199, CheekyTeeky wrote:No don't do that. You could make this more productive by focusing on others instead of being focusing on yourself. It seems like you're townreading everyone pushing you by assuming they're wasting time instead of pushing ulterior motives.In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.
I'm not town reading everyone pushing me either, by everyone I mean literally everyone.
Because I'm town? Wagoning town gets us zero info since it's reasonable for scum to be either on or off the wagon. Saying it doesn't sit well with you because I'm trying to dissolve my own wagon is kind of a meaningless statement anyway.In post 206, CheekyTeeky wrote:So why assume it's wasting time? If we didn't wagon anyone, we'd have a low info game. That after a few votes you're threatening to claim to dissolve the wagon instead of trying to parse it doesn't sit well.In post 203, Roden wrote:I'm not town reading everyone pushing me either, by everyone I mean literally everyone
This was literally advertised as multiball.In post 224, Galron wrote:3p in a normal?In post 221, Roden wrote:It's because he's third party and he knows you're scum.
VOTE: roden
It really only took you until page 10 to break the rulesIn post 223, Guillotina wrote:Yah! Im scum! And I'm here to out the other wolves, im gonna play sooo against my wincon and get away with it.In post 221, Roden wrote:It's because he's third party and he knows you're scum.
This guy is trying to bus me everyone!
VOTE: Roden
This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.In post 230, Guillotina wrote:You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nominationIn post 227, Roden wrote:Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol
Scum claiming is fine, claiming scum with someone else isn't.In post 232, Guillotina wrote:What rule break? Do you honestly think i would claim wolf and say that im here to out the other wolves if i was a wolf?
Like you are so desperate to have me gone.
And I don't want you specifically gone lol, your slot just rolled scum.
To add to this, I don't think town ever has the reaction or confidence that you had in scum reading someone during RVS.In post 233, Roden wrote:This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.In post 230, Guillotina wrote:You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nominationIn post 227, Roden wrote:Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol
So what happens when it turns out you're dead wrong even though you apparently specialize in catching scum early? Surely you should be elim'd next if you're so clearly wrong when you're supposedly never wrong?In post 236, Guillotina wrote:Who do yoy think i am? Some sort of noob to fall for that AtE?In post 233, Roden wrote:This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.In post 230, Guillotina wrote:You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nominationIn post 227, Roden wrote:Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol
Im confident because i specialize in catching scum during RvS.
So my legacy for my faction should i fall at the hands of these wolves who cant wait to shut me up, is to yeet in Roden, Cheeky and Cyrus.
Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.
Dont let my unorthodox sort-of egocentric style cloud your judgement and deny me the glory of having caught scum early in the game.
In post 243, Hiraki wrote:wanna go into it more or are you just dropping it down and letting it rollIn post 242, Roden wrote:Ngl I don't think Cheeky is town though.
This is a basic town cred post. Reading this makes you want to think she's town because it's a pro-town post, but it's just generic advice that doesn't actually do anything to advance the game. She doesn't even have an opinion on me despite her take on what I said.In post 199, CheekyTeeky wrote:No don't do that. You could make this more productive by focusing on others instead of being focusing on yourself. It seems like you're townreading everyone pushing you by assuming they're wasting time instead of pushing ulterior motives.In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.
She can see the scum reads on Cyrus but says to let him get mis-elim'd. She then votes me with zero context.In post 158, CheekyTeeky wrote:I can see the scum reads on Cyrus, but dude is almost always the miselim, like T3 said let him dig his own grave.
VOTE: Roden
Zero explanation of this take.In post 204, CheekyTeeky wrote:I only have that one scum game to go off and I'm not seeing anything that different contrary to Shrek.In post 184, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)
She claims she doesn't like that I'm trying to dissolve me own wagon. Like I said before, it's a pointless statement and is basically just low key shade without having to commit.In post 206, CheekyTeeky wrote:So why assume it's wasting time? If we didn't wagon anyone, we'd have a low info game. That after a few votes you're threatening to claim to dissolve the wagon instead of trying to parse it doesn't sit well.In post 203, Roden wrote:I'm not town reading everyone pushing me either, by everyone I mean literally everyone
Transparent attempt to look playful that just comes across as awkward. Still no explanation of any of her takes or reads.In post 210, CheekyTeeky wrote:D: your face is meaningless.
You literally just said you're never wrong.In post 246, Guillotina wrote:When did i say im never wrong, i said i specialize in catching scum early. If you flip town then i was wrong. We townies shouldnt be yeeted for being wrong cause you know, we are uninformed we are by default cursed with being wrong until we get it right.In post 241, Roden wrote:So what happens when it turns out you're dead wrong even though you apparently specialize in catching scum early? Surely you should be elim'd next if you're so clearly wrong when you're supposedly never wrong?In post 236, Guillotina wrote:Who do yoy think i am? Some sort of noob to fall for that AtE?In post 233, Roden wrote:This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.In post 230, Guillotina wrote:You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nominationIn post 227, Roden wrote:Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol
Im confident because i specialize in catching scum during RvS.
So my legacy for my faction should i fall at the hands of these wolves who cant wait to shut me up, is to yeet in Roden, Cheeky and Cyrus.
Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.
Dont let my unorthodox sort-of egocentric style cloud your judgement and deny me the glory of having caught scum early in the game.
Sounds like you just want to mis-elim people and not face any consequences for it. So exactly like in Yakra.Guillotina wrote: Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.
Saying "he doesn't seem different" but then not saying what it was I was doing that was similar to my scum game just doesn't look good to me. I don't think I'm asking for a whole lot for her to explain what she sees as scummy behavior.In post 250, Hiraki wrote:just to be super clear here - this is in response to the point that this post has zero explanation -In post 248, Hiraki wrote:what would cheeky say to satisfy you?
this post is just talking about meta - what would you want? a meta case? would that convince you considering that you think the person is scum for already independent reasons?In post 204, CheekyTeeky wrote:I only have that one scum game to go off and I'm not seeing anything that different contrary to Shrek.In post 184, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)
I did point it out, hence the quote.In post 258, Guillotina wrote:Point to me where i said im never wrong, then explain to me how believing im never wrong is alignment indicative. I will wait.In post 256, Roden wrote:You literally just said you're never wrong.In post 246, Guillotina wrote:When did i say im never wrong, i said i specialize in catching scum early. If you flip town then i was wrong. We townies shouldnt be yeeted for being wrong cause you know, we are uninformed we are by default cursed with being wrong until we get it right.In post 241, Roden wrote:So what happens when it turns out you're dead wrong even though you apparently specialize in catching scum early? Surely you should be elim'd next if you're so clearly wrong when you're supposedly never wrong?In post 236, Guillotina wrote:Who do yoy think i am? Some sort of noob to fall for that AtE?In post 233, Roden wrote:This is exactly why I know you're not town lol. You're so "confident" you caught me when in reality it's clear you're just shit pushing me. If you want to throw for your buddy then you do you lol, but with my flip it'll be obvious that you just outed yourself for literally no reason om Day 1. I'm more than fine with trading 1v1 with scum.In post 230, Guillotina wrote:You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nominationIn post 227, Roden wrote:Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol
Im confident because i specialize in catching scum during RvS.
So my legacy for my faction should i fall at the hands of these wolves who cant wait to shut me up, is to yeet in Roden, Cheeky and Cyrus.
Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.
Dont let my unorthodox sort-of egocentric style cloud your judgement and deny me the glory of having caught scum early in the game.
Sounds like you just want to mis-elim people and not face any consequences for it. So exactly like in Yakra.Guillotina wrote: Every game ive played i found out after game that ive caught at least a wolf and town have lost those games.
Bro, you got caught, it's ok, you never expected it, it happens.
Or
You are town who pushed Mastina in bad faith, it could be too.
What is it?
It's not "pushing in bad faith" when Mastina is literally giving reads on people who haven't even posted yet and then scum reading people on "vibes" during RVS. It's the exact same thing she did as scum last time.
You're also just scum lol. Also if you're claiming you caught me then why are you moving your vote onto Cheeky?
Just now?In post 259, Hiraki wrote:don't worry - you're doing a great job of making sure that can't happen so farIn post 254, Guillotina wrote:Im sorry that you call my confidence ego. Don't let my shine opaque yours.In post 253, Hiraki wrote:you're out here throwing these dumb weird ego jabs and you can't take a pinch? understood for next time, i guess
where did you do this?In post 257, Roden wrote:I don't think I'm asking for a whole lot for her to explain what she sees as scummy behavior.
I don't see it but that's an answer I guess.In post 260, CheekyTeeky wrote:It's not that you're doing anything specifically similar It's just a tonal thing in comparison to how different your ex-buddies seem to me this game.
I'm fairly certain my tone is very different since I'm way more reckless and aggressive as town, while more passive and pocket happy as scum. It's why I'm also heavily suspicious of T3 since he knows this yet thinks scum!me openly and pointlessly puts a target on my back early Day 1.In post 263, CheekyTeeky wrote:You don't see how you're not different or how I see MegA and Shrek as different?In post 261, Roden wrote:I don't see it but that's an answer I guess.
Also I'm at 99% confidence on Guillo being town, that ego is not of scum.
Also Guillo definitely has an ego as scum. He power wolfed hard in Yakra playing exactly like this.
Not really? I'm not the only one who said that and left it at that.In post 266, Hiraki wrote:my issue is that you said he was scum, didn't say anything, and it tookIn post 261, Roden wrote:Just now?meto ask you about it to then ask cheeky about it. doesn't that seem just a tad bit convoluted?
That's wild considering how many people have given empty reads all game lol.In post 267, Hiraki wrote:it's not really worth continuing this back and forth though - i don't think your scumread on cheeky is very genuine and i'll just note that for later
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87275In post 269, CheekyTeeky wrote:Link plz
That's a massive disconnect considering Guillo literally tells town how great he is and that they should learn from him how to play impostor.In post 271, CheekyTeeky wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=GoIn post 268, Roden wrote:Also Guillo definitely has an ego as scum. He power wolfed hard in Yakra playing exactly like this.
Not really tho. Aside from the memeing the play there is more eagle hovering above prey than ego tunneling.
*scum not impostor, whoops, playing Among Us with some friends right nowIn post 272, Roden wrote:That's a massive disconnect considering Guillo literally tells town how great he is and that they should learn from him how to play impostor.In post 271, CheekyTeeky wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=GoIn post 268, Roden wrote:Also Guillo definitely has an ego as scum. He power wolfed hard in Yakra playing exactly like this.
Not really tho. Aside from the memeing the play there is more eagle hovering above prey than ego tunneling.
Going by flavor, the witch coven could be a scum group, and SWORD's Tylor Hayward and White Vision could be the second. Technically speaking, we don't know if Wanda herself is even aligned with town either, since she's the one possessing the town.In post 328, MegAzumarill wrote:Setup Spec because I enjoy it:
Have we considered that the game could be 2 groupscum with 2 players each?
Also if it is 3rd party I'd say a cult leader is probably likely. (Why would you have to publically reveal it is multiball if it was an sk?) Either that or something wacky like a condemner or something.
I'm not familiar with the flavor, but would a cult/ second groupscum make sense in that context?
That's a secret.In post 285, Guillotina wrote:You didnt, you are putting words in my mouth.In post 261, Roden wrote: I did point it out, hence the quote.
It's not "pushing in bad faith" when Mastina is literally giving reads on people who haven't even posted yet and then scum reading people on "vibes" during RVS. It's the exact same thing she did as scum last time.
You're also just scum lol. Also if you're claiming you caught me then why are you moving your vote onto Cheeky?
Roden, are you an alt or you only have been here since May? How long you've been playing mafia before joining this forum?
I'm not new and this is a really blatant backpedal.In post 291, Guillotina wrote:VOTE: T3In post 282, T3 wrote:Can you fuck off?In post 251, Guillotina wrote:Im not sure if im getting scum vibes from you or if you are just hating.In post 248, Hiraki wrote:i don't think any of 245 is scum-aligned but i think it's terrible logic overall. zero explanation of a take? really? isn't that why i asked you foryourtake? what would cheeky say to satisfy you? i can go one by one but it's not worth my time
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...so you just admitted that you're just lucky? yikesIn post 247, Guillotina wrote:Because talent has nothing to do with knowledge.
1. What the fuck not knowing a rule has anything to do with talent?
2. How the fuck is that relevant?
3. How the fuck does that make me lucky?
4. How is being lucky correlated to being talented lacking some knowledge?
Like… what the actual fuck are you on bud?
Your ego is taking up the thread.
No, I'm solving. Im not gonna shut up until I'm dead.
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Listen guys, if Mastina is scum, it will not be because of her early day reads, ive seen her do this as town, third party and scum. It's like Cyrus said, completely NAI for her, so pushing her for that is a bad look.
Mastina hates randing scum because she rands scum a lot, so if she bails out, then we can worry about that slot. She is also a player that gets kill off fast because she is threatening to any opposing faction, she is that good, she gets fear killed a lot, and the way she was getting pushed raised a red flag for me because it looked like an attempt to discredit her reads fast (which is funny because it's obvious they are fake reads and it's intentional) and pile on her.
I also do this, in fact i did it this game. Only i picked three people to push and see where it landed.
This is what i got:
If Roden is new to mafiascum and to mafia in general, he'll get a pass because it looks like he genuinely thought that Mastina's reads were legit and obviously in a world where they are legit, those reads are scummy, so his thought process is legit too.
If Roden is a newbie and is scum, CheekyTeeky could be scum together because his approach to Cheeky looks like distancing, Roden is sussing her a lot but yet, he has not voted her to support that push. This is why he thinks me switching my vote from him to Cheeky is scummy, because he thinks that townies are supposed to stick to a vote in a 10-day day phase game.
T3 could be scum, you cant scum read someone arriving at the same conclusion that you did, about the same player, when that someone concluded it before you. It does not make sense, it's a fake push.
If Roden and T3 are scum together, Mastina is unaligned with them. Scum would not unnecessarily bring attention to their scum buddies like that, nor they would superficially push her for it.
Cyrus feels like a player whose alignment will become obvious with time, so im gonna give him time.
In post 297, Guillotina wrote:Which is also thinking i will not flip red and forget about me as a target? Or something else?In post 295, Hiraki wrote:i dont think guillotina flips red but if there's a vig, i think you know what to do
In post 299, Guillotina wrote:Even though you say i will not flip red?In post 298, Hiraki wrote:i am telling them to shoot you
You don't have to flip red to still not be town.In post 304, Guillotina wrote:You said you dont think i will flip red but you'd recommend shooting me. You also just said the votes on me are questionable (they are), so i dont understand your logic unless you are just calling for a policy kill because you dont like my style.In post 302, Hiraki wrote:yepIn post 299, Guillotina wrote:Even though you say i will not flip red?In post 298, Hiraki wrote:i am telling them to shoot you
the person who after 5 pages we have to have a discussion about ego from multiple people and has a wagon for super questionable reasons (ie there's no reason for it to really be there but it's pretty obvious why it's there)?In post 300, cyrus62 wrote:cuse town want town to shoot town sure i think this is a bad post.In post 298, Hiraki wrote:i am telling them to shoot you
it's anti-town play at the very best and extremely distracting from the focus of the game
1) not townreading youIn post 301, Guillotina wrote:Killing me while townreading me is play to lose or you are just scum.
2) don't lecture me on rules thanks
So you believe I'm projecting?In post 315, CheekyTeeky wrote:Why the unvote instead of moving onto a scumlean? I low key think Roden is 3p since he brought up the possibility of mastina being 3p. Why Galron?In post 309, MegAzumarill wrote:Not feeling super strongly about anyone except that I think Shrek is town. (his play feels much better and different than our previous scum game together, as well as fairly logical and productive in this game)
It's a MCU show. It went on for nine episodes and had a main antagonist (powerful witch Agatha) and a side antagonist (corrupt SWORD boss Tyler Hayward). Wanda herself wasn't necessarily a hero either since she accidentally possessed the citizens of the town she was supposed to live in and didn't let them go even after she found out what she was doing.In post 344, CheekyTeeky wrote:I must confess I have no idea about this flavour... is it a movie or a show?
Did nobody actually read the description...? I keep saying that this was advertised as multiball in the queue.In post 346, CheekyTeeky wrote:I don't know what that means. If you mean I think you TMI'd on the setup having a 3p, yes I do believe that's possible.In post 345, Roden wrote:So you believe I'm projecting?In post 315, CheekyTeeky wrote:Why the unvote instead of moving onto a scumlean? I low key think Roden is 3p since he brought up the possibility of mastina being 3p. Why Galron?In post 309, MegAzumarill wrote:Not feeling super strongly about anyone except that I think Shrek is town. (his play feels much better and different than our previous scum game together, as well as fairly logical and productive in this game)
I appreciate the sarcasm but everyone's looking at me weird for hunting for 3P in a 3P game.In post 353, Shrek wrote:i wonder if this is multiball or not. if only there were someone to mention it to me
Pre-flip theory crafting is exactly why I suggested this earlier.In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.
I'm a Visitor that fails if I target anyone other than Vision, the flavor being from the plot of the first episode where my character was coming over to Wanda and Vision's home for dinner. Vision knows if I successfully Visit them, and doing so also reveals to me who Wanda is. However, this doesn't inform me of either of their alignments.In post 386, Roden wrote:Btw I'm Todd Davis/Arthur Hart. My flavor is that I play the role of Vision's boss once reality gets altered by Wanda. I can role claim next if necessary, but my power is relatively weak.
I actually have considered why you're pushing me, and I came to the conclusion that it was for non-town reasons.In post 394, Guillotina wrote:You are scum reading me and third party reading me and never ever have you considered to understand why im pushing you. Stop playing dumb Roden, the fact that i hard bus negative utility wolves for cred is not the discredit, it’s you trying to get over at any cost.In post 383, Roden wrote:Guillo how am I discrediting you if you're literally admitting I'm correct? Lol
Where have I twisted your words?In post 395, Guillotina wrote:And before you twist my words like you have been all day, no, im not scum this game.
If I'm scum with an agenda and you're town, I don't have to understand why you're pushing me because obviously I am your enemy. Town can't plead with scum to try to understand them because scum's objective is to deceive and kill despite knowing the truth. So why are you pleading with scum to understand your perspective?In post 410, Guillotina wrote:No, I'm implying that you are scum with an agenda. I've been very clear that I don't town read you.In post 398, Roden wrote:Actually if you genuinely believe that I never considered to understand why you're pushing me, that implies you think I'm town.
If I'm not a town read, then you're slipping that I'm town through TMI.
In post 420, T3 wrote:Roden's claim feels believable? But also he's such a minor character, I could see that as one of scum's fakeclaims.
In post 421, T3 wrote:I really just want to lim Roden here.
This is such a confusing line of posts? You think I could be fake claiming because my role is a minor character, yet you're claiming Norm who has zero plot relevance? Mine actually has plot relevance in the first episode and could easily be Masons with the character who plays his wife, so it would be so unnecessarily risky to fake claim this guy.In post 419, T3 wrote:I'm Abilash Tandon/Norm. VT
I have no idea why you still want to elim me here if you believe my claim anyway.
Really?In post 454, Guillotina wrote:That's because I don't know that you are scum, I suspect you to be scum dude. If I knew you were scum, you'd be dead already.In post 412, Roden wrote:If I'm scum with an agenda and you're town, I don't have to understand why you're pushing me because obviously I am your enemy. Town can't plead with scum to try to understand them because scum's objective is to deceive and kill despite knowing the truth. So why are you pleading with scum to understand your perspective?In post 410, Guillotina wrote:No, I'm implying that you are scum with an agenda. I've been very clear that I don't town read you.In post 398, Roden wrote:Actually if you genuinely believe that I never considered to understand why you're pushing me, that implies you think I'm town.
If I'm not a town read, then you're slipping that I'm town through TMI.
What's this post then?In post 230, Guillotina wrote:You got the story crooked. I caught you and i cant wait for your flip and bet that best town performance nominationIn post 227, Roden wrote:Guillo fuming that he got caught early lol
Why does your very first post claim that I'm obvscum?In post 61, Guillotina wrote:Mastina is town. They were fast to break RVS off, negating wolves the chance to blend in.
Roden is obvious scum
VOTE: Roden
Assuming Wanda/Vision aren't scum, it let's me find the real ones and confirm them as town.In post 463, mastina wrote:Worthless if Wanda and Vision are town (why does a town role need to find town?), too OP if Wanda and Vision are scum (why would a town role be able to out an entire scumteam?).In post 462, Hiraki wrote:Mastina what do you think about the role though?
So either way, makes nominally more sense as a scum role. I can SEE Rodens claim being town, but I think scum is overall more likely.
BTW, current feels:
2/3 scum in {Roden, T3, Guillotina},
Element scum,
Zyla scum.
How is it rolefishing?In post 467, CheekyTeeky wrote:If scum could explain why Roden was so eager to claim to clear himself. Rolefishing.In post 463, mastina wrote:So either way, makes nominally more sense as a scum role. I can SEE Rodens claim being town, but I think scum is overall more likely.
To add to this, why haven't you tried to meta me yet? You usually love using meta and dumping meta analysis posts in the game.In post 469, Roden wrote:In post 420, T3 wrote:Roden's claim feels believable? But also he's such a minor character, I could see that as one of scum's fakeclaims.In post 421, T3 wrote:I really just want to lim Roden here.This is such a confusing line of posts? You think I could be fake claiming because my role is a minor character, yet you're claiming Norm who has zero plot relevance? Mine actually has plot relevance in the first episode and could easily be Masons with the character who plays his wife, so it would be so unnecessarily risky to fake claim this guy.In post 419, T3 wrote:I'm Abilash Tandon/Norm. VT
I have no idea why you still want to elim me here if you believe my claim anyway.
In post 186, T3 wrote:I am.In post 168, Roden wrote:You're playingIn post 145, T3 wrote:The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.verydifferently this game.
These two posts feel a lot less congruent now that you're claiming VT.In post 419, T3 wrote:I'm Abilash Tandon/Norm. VT
This doesn't feel like a real thought process. Why would Wanda signal to me if Visiting her results in a failed action? I only learn from Visiting Vision, no one else.In post 476, CheekyTeeky wrote:It's not really rocket science, if you're scum, you'd know Wanda/Vision were town and likely the most powerful PRs (if they're the main characters) and that kind of a role might encourage them to signal to you.In post 471, Roden wrote:How is it rolefishing?
Second, why would Vision signal to me? I can only confirm their roles, I don't offer any utility besides that. I genuinely think it would be stupid for Vision to do that and highly recommend that they don't do that.
As far as my role goes, if I don't get mis-elim'd today, I won't be revealing who I Visit at night anyway. Doing so just narrows down who
isn't
Vision if I claim a failed action on a name.I don't think your town, but you're also not my strongest scum read. Guillo is, with T3 right behind him. I could be wrong about you though.In post 478, CheekyTeeky wrote:You've called me awkward and now accused me of faking a thought process...yet you think I'm town?
OK so I thought you could confirm both, and yes it is a bad idea for anyone to signal to you or for you to reveal anything. Although if you live long enough to find Vision it might be a good idea to plan that reveal if Vision is a town role based on other flips.
I'll confirm Vision and Wanda only if one of them is at risk of being elim'd, or if I can narrow down PoE to a point where we have an unstoppable town win.
Are you counter claiming?In post 480, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Roden
Baaa
But seriously I am watching mastina do her work and you are giving off really weird reads and vibes this game.
The role claim is kinda strange too.
What happened to this?In post 184, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)
Your read on me should mean you think I'm town then?In post 485, MegAzumarill wrote:Becausr scum!Roden reads to me as calm and collected. But here you are just feeling like you lash out at everything. You weren't reading as scum but as ???. The change now is I tr or tl on more players, so poe leaves you more likely.In post 484, Roden wrote:What happened to this?In post 184, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)
And I am not counterclaiming you, but that role seems convoluted at best.
You've literally never played with town me until this game.In post 489, MegAzumarill wrote:It reads at not your scum game but it doesn't look like town either.
Also your claim feels like you could have gotten it as a VT fakeclaim but instead you chose to give it a convoluted flavor ability in order to be flavor cleared for it.
Visitor who can only visit a certain role is not convoluted lol. That's an obvious reach and you know it.
Cheeky could still be town I guess. Guillo 100% TMI'd though and everyone can obviously see it. T3 is playing super scummy, giving zero content, and refusing to use meta even though he always does that as town, also no outrageous gambits either. His partner probably threatened to bus him if he tried to pull any dumb stunts. According to Mastina, there's two scum within me/Guillo/T3, so with my green flip obviously they should go next. If you guys don't elim them next then you're hard throwing.
As for Mega, they're voting me even though they don't believe I'm scum. Their earlier attempt to defend me was likely to get town cred after I flip green. Idk wtf they're doing but if they are town then they're actively deciding to throw. They also took the middle/4th vote on my wagon which scum notoriously love to do. Do with that info as you wish.
As for Mega, they're voting me even though they don't believe I'm scum. Their earlier attempt to defend me was likely to get town cred after I flip green. Idk wtf they're doing but if they are town then they're actively deciding to throw. They also took the middle/4th vote on my wagon which scum notoriously love to do. Do with that info as you wish.
If you're actually Day Vig then oof, but yeah. Shoot me then elim T3.In post 518, Guillotina wrote:Are you sure?In post 517, Roden wrote:If there is a Day Vig they 100% should shoot me here. I'd take that over a mis-elim.
Does it usually?CheekyTeeky wrote:Does the day end if you vig?
Aren't you scum reading me because I didn't get mad and throw a fit on page 2?In post 536, T3 wrote:you are scumreading me because 'i have no fire'In post 528, CheekyTeeky wrote:I would advise to shoot me later in the game. If it doesn't end the day then it may be best to shoot lurking slots like Enchant or Zyla so we don't have to waste lims on people scum won't shoot.
I get full credit if T3 flips scum BTW VOTE: T3
what a dumb case
Scum is scum lol, being 3P shouldn't change scummy behavior that much because you still want to eliminate everyone not aligned with you.In post 537, MegAzumarill wrote:I do think you are scum. The way you play scum can very easily change because it is multiball for a variety of reasons.In post 492, Roden wrote:Like I genuinely don't see how someone can say "I don't think you're scum but I'm voting for you anyway" and think that's pro-town in any way.
I only said t3 because they were said by guillo, and I wasn't opposed to it. Don't have much of a read on them which puts them in poe pool.
That is indeed a thing.
Four reads = everyoneIn post 544, T3 wrote:literally you are shading everyone for dumb reasons and then walking back on the read with no evidenceIn post 508, Roden wrote:Cheeky could still be town I guess. Guillo 100% TMI'd though and everyone can obviously see it. T3 is playing super scummy, giving zero content, and refusing to use meta even though he always does that as town, also no outrageous gambits either. His partner probably threatened to bus him if he tried to pull any dumb stunts. According to Mastina, there's two scum within me/Guillo/T3, so with my green flip obviously they should go next. If you guys don't elim them next then you're hard throwing.
As for Mega, they're voting me even though they don't believe I'm scum. Their earlier attempt to defend me was likely to get town cred after I flip green. Idk wtf they're doing but if they are town then they're actively deciding to throw. They also took the middle/4th vote on my wagon which scum notoriously love to do. Do with that info as you wish.
If you believe that then why would scum do that?In post 545, T3 wrote:roden is ateing over a pointless thing
What does this info change?
Should I have not claimed when I got wagon'd and people said they wanted me gone...?In post 547, cyrus62 wrote:Ok like how in the hell does the 3 of you claiming help town?at t3 @ rodan @Guiloina.
???In post 552, T3 wrote:i dont see town you selfvoting like thatIn post 549, Roden wrote:If you believe that then why would scum do that?In post 545, T3 wrote:roden is ateing over a pointless thing
What does this info change?
I literally did that in Yakra.
Oof.In post 557, T3 wrote:In post 554, Roden wrote:???In post 552, T3 wrote:i dont see town you selfvoting like thatIn post 549, Roden wrote:If you believe that then why would scum do that?In post 545, T3 wrote:roden is ateing over a pointless thing
What does this info change?
I literally did that in Yakra.
this is like arguing with a religious conservative
Yet you don't deny what I said.
It should resolve Guillo too, it'd be wild if scum or 3P had a Day Vig.In post 567, mastina wrote:Well this would be a great way to resolve the Roden-T3-Guillotina trio.In post 526, Guillotina wrote:It does not end the day.
Shoot Roden, eliminate T3, and that's 2/3 gone and flipped D1.
VOTE: T3
I guess we're just back to this then? The Day Vig claim was really dumb.In post 508, Roden wrote:According to Mastina, there's two scum within me/Guillo/T3, so with my green flip obviously they should go next. If you guys don't elim them next then you're hard throwing.
In post 641, Hiraki wrote:i'll take the encouragement from someone actively using ATE and self-voting
Roden wrote:Literally what am I supposed to do if you'd rather listen to obvscum and nobody wants to believe me no matter what I say
Like if you're mad that I didn't play the exact way you think town should play then fine I guess? But literally all the people you've suggested to vote out have all been people you just show distaste for.In post 641, Hiraki wrote:i'll take the encouragement from someone actively using ATE and self-voting