newbie 2080: correct statements (this is over)

[Cook]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

[Cook]

and also VOTE: Facebones

name too similar to facebook. i suspect foul play.

[Cook]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

Can you elaborate?

if all goes well with the strategy we know the setup and have confirmed several townies within two or three days.

[Cook]

ha ha how did I mix up italics and bold
I surely should know better
it isn’t like it’s hard
really!

anyway, with that out of the way, VOTE: DArby
for being the last one to /in and getting us into this darn game

VOTE: Spangled

gut says this is scum

[Cook]

ha ha how did I mix up italics and bold
I surely should know better
it isn’t like it’s hard
really!

anyway, with that out of the way, VOTE: DArby
for being the last one to /in and getting us into this darn game

VOTE: Spangled

gut says this is scum

does a nervous tone mean scum?
this wouldn’t be anything to do with me asking you to explain your setup-breaking, would it?

oh no not at all

matter of fact i've actually explained my setup breaker before

the only unfortunate circumstance was that when i had made the strategy and /inned to a newbie to test it was that i got a red role pm

i'll explain ASAP, doing stuff until then

[Cook]

back now.

Cook's Handy, Dandy Plan

1. Tracker claims Day One. If nobody claims Tracker we just eliminated three setups (A2, B1, and B3).
   Protectives go on the Tracker claim. This will mean that the Tracker is jailkept in A2 and protected in B3.
   
   Tracker reports result D2. If Tracker claims blocked then we know we're in A2 and play the Tracker as an IC. If scum tries to ride the towncred then they're functionally down a player.
   If Tracker claims a result we just go Follow The Cop from here since Mafia only gets a rolecop.
   
2. If no Tracker claims then we have a normal D1 with a normal D1 elimination.
   
3. D2, Cop claims with result. Scum killing either the cop or their clear will result in the other one being IC'd the next day, therefore they must shoot elsewhere.
   
   If Masons exist then one Mason claims Cop with a clear on their partner, since either one dying proves the other one.
   
   If Scum tries to do this with partners then we'll end up 1-for-1'ing cop claims and we'll invariably win.
   
4. If you get an FN message, claim it but not who sent it. If you or the FN are run up to E-1 you may claim the message. We will preserve the FN from elimination for one night to let them send another message, if someone reports it the next day the FN is cleared. Jailkeeper, if there's a claimed FN don't prot them for one night, let them get a message – if scum kills them that leaves us rolecop vs jailkeeper, which we can win. This is our worst possible configuration.
   
5. Prots don't claim unless you're at E-1 or you need to counterclaim.

[Cook]

In Short:

If You're Tracker

1. Claim D1
2. Visit someone tonight
3. Claim your result D2
4. If you were blocked you're our Bulletproof IC
5. If you were not blocked we'll play Follow The Cop assuming there's no FN

If You're Cop

1. Don't claim yet
2. Visit someone tonight
3. Claim your result D2
4. We'll soft-clear both you and your target
5. If you die you're proven to be telling the truth

If You're Friendly Neighbor

1. Visit someone tonight
2. Wait for them to claim your message
3. Don't claim until either of you are at E-1

If You're Mason

1. Don't claim yet
2. D2, claim a cop clear on your partner
3. We'll treat you like a cop + a clear

If You're Doctor

1. Don't claim until E-1
2. Stay on a claimed Tracker/Cop

If You're Jailkeeper

1. Don't claim until E-1
2. Stay on a claimed Tracker
3. If an FN clears wait a night before locking on to them

If You're Vanilla Townie

1. Don't claim "not-{role}"
2. Don't claim or soft-claim until E-1

[Cook]

Hi folks! It's time to break NewD3!

Tracker, please claim. It's not advantageous to scum to claim Tracker.

Don't.

Do. We get either an IC, two confirmed Townies, or a Follow The Cop that can't be broken.

[Cook]

spangled what are your thoughts on roden

[Cook]

facebones what are your thoughts on spangled

pagetop

[Cook]

we also have yet to see mewtaph in thread

if they’re tracker i’m gonna be mad

[Cook]

if people townread me for posting an organized plan for town to play off of that’s fine, i put forth the strategy so town wins, not so i get locktowned.

[Cook]

I assume you missed a “don’t”, there, Cook

while you’re around — if you still are — can I get a response to this here below post?

This looks good.
Worst case we have a bulletproof IC, best case we can do a good ol’ follow the cop.
Should we be no-limming today?
What about if we get a cop claim or not-blocked tracker D2? do we lim then? ‘cause we might hit the doc
and if we get a cop claim, they might be masons — doesn’t that possibility throw a spanner in the works?

@Cook

i missed a don’t.

never no eliminate d1.

cop claim day two means we don’t lim either unless there’s a cc iirc.

if tracker claims a result then we just play it like follow the cop.

OH RIGHT

IF YOU GET AN FN MESSAGE WITH A CLAIMED TRACKER DO NOT CLAIM IT UNLESS SOMEONE CLAIMS DOC OR THE TRACKER IS DEAD. SCUM WILL KILL THE TRACKER IF YOU OUT AN FN

ONLY IN THIS CASE

[Cook]

will defend when not on phone, the tracker fn is no longer an autolose because we no longer claim FN messages with an active Tracker on the board — scum can no longer out guess us and we play Follow the Cop from here on out. once tracker or scum dies we can out the FN.

claimed fn should not be eliminated until at least 2 people have messages, to prevent scum from faking FN. from there, IC the fn and stick a jail keeper there.

in order of out: tracker, cop/mason, friendly neighbor

also incredibly important we do not out protectives for any reason except for CC or to narrow the pool when hunting 1 scum

[Cook]

i'm gonna go ahead and assume there's no tracker

as a result, we aren't in A2, B1, or B3

unless rep in claims tracker, i'm just gonna say we play d1 normally

that being said, spangled townread for sheer content, DArby i dislike for not having faith, facebones is low content as an RoT, margotrosa is scum lurking, roden is mid-content and most of it has been anti-me but considering that roden is shooting this down as a scum-winning strategy – which it is not – townread, Thynhith null, and Galron is scummy but i can't find any associative tells this early on.

VOTE: MargotRosa you are lurking get in the game

[Cook]

scum have a hard time posting with frequency, hence high post rate is often town indicative

some people like me are much less active than others as a natural thing so it’s not foolproof and the content of posts is important in making that judgement

[Cook]

I very much so dislike that PoE from DArby.

Very much so dislike it.

[Cook]

I'm not surprised. How do you want to proceed with the day now?

Margot or Thyn.

[Cook]

too much information

[Cook]

nothing productive to say

the strategy was legitimate and i got a red role pm the first time and i'm not gonna debate why i said things in a past game because we're playing to solve this game not a previous one

particularly helpful because not everyone who was in that game is in this game, and because of one crucial detail that differences that game and this one

i have a green role pm

[Cook]

it's a legitimate strategy in that i used it for towncred last time

this time i'm using it because i want

town to win this game

and if you wish to stand in the way of the development of a breaking strategy for newd3, then that is your (scum-indicative) prerogative.

until this strategy gets adopted or evolves into something that gets adopted i'm going to keep trying. you will see it happen and it will work.

oh, and as far as blatantly screaming about the green role pm? yeah of course it's an appeal to emotion because as it turns out people like you won't listen to anything else

scum, the lot of you

scum

[Cook]

UNVOTE:

[Cook]

let's not do my strategy this game

next time sure

not this one

i've tried to make it clear by my disinterest in my own wagon that you're in the wrong place

uhh

no thoughts

head empty

this is not an optimal way to try to talk your fellow players down

[Cook]

i liked margot's post previous to that.

[Cook]

Cook, do you have any town leans or scum leans at this point?

Would have responded to #362 but RL is fun as always.

With the perspective of a nondescript town player who's at the point of no return I'll offer my "I've stepped back and here's what I've noticed":

DArby put trust in strategies please. there's a thing called sacrifice that you have to do sometimes. You're still town.
Galron don't ignore walls. read games please. Null.
Thynhith scumlean.
MargotRosa townlean.
Roden scumlean.
Val89 i for some reason am trusting. townlean.
Facebones is nulltown.
Spangled possibly is scum.


going in to day two i'll take this much out of the strategy as a suggestion. If you get an FN message claim it but not who sent it until either you or person are at E-1. once two people claim FN messages we have effectively an activated IC which is pretty cool.

[Cook]

also look at who's silently boosting the wagon, and look who's actively pushing it. that should give you your sort for tomorrow.

[Cook]

margot/val tvt
\
MD thread coming after the game there has to be a strategy to kill newd3 even if it isn't this one

[Cook]

yes because you are all bumbling buffoons who fail to recognize i could give a damn about defending myself

[Cook]

you've made it crystal clear you don't want me in this game, but i want me in this game

you keep reasoning that my lurkage is as a result of me being strategic with my plays and hiding in the scum pt

guess the fuck what

i have no scum pt

Why not just self-hammer then instead of trying to fill the thread with WIFOM?

no, do it yourself, coward

or maybe you could pull your head out from the trench you've dug yourself and go kill someone who'll actually flip red

[Cook]

yes because you are all bumbling buffoons who fail to recognize i could give a damn about defending myself

Then you're a good candidate for policy elimination tbqh

i don't blame you

just be a damn shame if you wasted your d1 tempo on a townie

[Cook]

here's a counter-question

what will you do when i flip green?

[Cook]

VT

[Cook]

oh fu-

too early

[Cook]

kind of waiting for my death

i need to get better at the pressure thing i guess :/