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[petapan]

VOTE: petapan

Kill this. His posting is so scummy his tone is off already and he’s frozen. He. IS. Scum.

yeetdrasse

VOTE: ydrasse

[petapan]

I'm not gonna lie I'm actually kinda down to get voted first

If there's an actual trial and one gets acquitted, perhaps there is a prize!

the prize is you do not have to play mafia anymore

[petapan]

that said

VOTE: prism

calling your bluff

[petapan]

VOTE: petapan
You’re not getting away from me this time.

you

just

won a game against me where i was scum, haven't i suffered enough you bloodthirsty maniac

that said

VOTE: prism

calling your bluff

peta prism ydrasse scum

wow

the fucking dream team

yes just like i was scum with ydrasse in not quite normal

[petapan]

This is why I love bastard games
If you fuck up and lose you can just blame it on mod fuckery

its a large theme game so cakez definitely rolled scum

[petapan]

infinity is town this game

[petapan]

We should proceed as if whoever we are voting for will die

And if they don't die, we can do something different with the rest of the day

this is correct and any other speculation as to the outcome of the event is boring and a distraction

[petapan]

i dont even remember you playing NQN

wow you actually were in that game

my memory is garbage rofl

to be fair i barely remember that game as well

[petapan]

i know i should townread prism for tilting early and she will say as much, but, whatever


VOTE: cakeboi

[petapan]

*shouldn't

dunno how i messed that up


meh on dwlee so far

[petapan]

VOTE: dwlee
How do you know of among us mafia? Pretty sure you weren’t around for that.

why is that worthy of a vote

[petapan]

VOTE: dwlee
How do you know of among us mafia? Pretty sure you weren’t around for that.

why is that worthy of a vote

no really why are you voting him

[petapan]

peta - prism - ydrasse - i dunno 4th scum maybe dlee

eventually you're gonna have to move past the thing where you scumread me to try to troll me into a reaction

4th is pooky

pooky bussing me day 1 out of sheer spite

Ydrasse

I feel that you've been almost completely fluffy thus far. Is that a weak reason to scumread you?

It is a reason to townread me

lmao, no


taly might be town. maybe a little premature but feels good

[petapan]

no

[petapan]

what this is a super serious scum read


*pouts*

ah heck i'm so mad. this is me being mad. you have tilted me. how can you scumread me i haven't even done anything. you are scum for scumreading me. argghgjhgnhkgjh

[petapan]

didn't like most of what he said but 276 is amusing enough reasoning

am i giving too much credence to it being an "out there" theory

[petapan]

VOTE: dwlee
How do you know of among us mafia? Pretty sure you weren’t around for that.

I'm friends with Shea and he mentioned it the other day in a discord convo so I took a look at it

Ah. Makes enough sense.
VOTE: Pooky
His solve is almost

too

good

Bruh what

good point actually

[petapan]

From his perspective as well as in general those 3 aren’t great so far
Peta’s kinda felt reactive
Prism’s desire to be acquitted was a little skeevy and his reaction to being sussed was to claim joke which while technically valid doesn’t negate what actual tangible game thoughts he displayed with his joke
Ydrasse trying to jump in on the pockit fun felt a little overwrought

what does me being "reactive" mean

[petapan]

infinity is town this game

why do you say that

you were making posts i thought were towny

[petapan]

Peta did you see 300/304 and decide to buy the bus ticket or what?

if i were scum with gamma i wouldn't think he'd been posting bad enough to bus yet

[petapan]

gamma, i still want clarification on what you meant by me being "reactive" and why that was suspicious, and why pooky having scumreads you agreed with meant your conclusion was that he was scum, rather than town who was thinking the same way you were

[petapan]

VOTE: gamma

suit yourself

[petapan]

peta I want to note that this song came up on my recommended and it's us, it's our song, it's our friendship

but it's not even out of touch thursday

[petapan]

Well I don’t think my viewpoint was that great either, but tbh the level of “what the fuck is Gamma doing” I’ve gotten this game just makes any effort I would care to muster feel really unwelcome

if being asked basic questions about reads you have expressed is going to cause you to shut it down and refuse to answer anything, i am going to vote you without a second thought

because the thing is, i was trying to figure if you are town who has moonlogick reads that draw unnecessary attention or scum who is bullshitting and spouted some nonsense that you're unable to back up

and not answering what i thought was

an entirely harmless question

is either not being able to come up with an answer or just outright refusing to play the game, and if you're going to do that early on day 1 then you should be yeeted regardless of alignment

i don't care if you don't stand by the reads anymore. it shouldn't be hard to just explain why you thought something.

[petapan]

if you think my questioning prior to voting you was hostile that's an atrocious misread on your part

[petapan]

do you still not feel like answering my questions about your read on me now that you're actually voting me

[petapan]

do you still not feel like answering my questions about your read on me now that you're actually voting me

The biggest thing I could recall from you then was you reacting to stuff like me voting you and being like “but you won last” time, that felt kinda self-conscious
As for the Pooky vote that was kinda a meme vote but I think it actually helped me in a way

dunno man i was just messing around joking about stuff, kind of a normal thing for early game

th pooky vote didn't

feel

like a joke at the time

and i'm not sure why you'd react so negatively to people questioning your vote if it was supposed to be a "meme vote"

[petapan]

You literally do not take feedback. Trying to get you to critically evaluate my slot has been a project for 4+ years now.

For your townplay I have highlighted the tactics I used against you as scum again and again and had you fail to punish them.

For your scumplay I highlighted it for you that you had a terrible habit of putting all of your scumteam in your scumreads and you proceeded to keep doing it in your next several games, which I'd have to find later as I don't want to comb through them right now.

hwell in that case he must be town

[petapan]

also what does everyone think abt infinity?

felt good early because she was making reads amidst the usual fluffing around nonsense, review of the ISO leaves me feeling more neutral. doesn't really seem obvscum to me, just kind of there

[petapan]

seems kind of obvious?

[petapan]

i'm tempted to just scumread Peta no matter what bc if Peta is scum and I don't "catch" them they are gonna drive me insane

i'm gonna be obvious town this game and there is nothing you can do about it

[petapan]

I will never trust Peta again after FGOII

look. i'm on a losing streak. no one is allowed to play the fear card. you might as well just townread me now because everyone is going to have to townread me. it's going to happen.

[petapan]

i'm trying to decide what i think of cakez

his early posts were very bad

i didn't hate his catchup as much on first glance but looking it over...i'm not really sure why he's calling certain things scummy

[petapan]

i'm not whelmingly convinced gamma is scum but don't have a better place for my vote atm

UNVOTE:

i don't want this phase to go for 100 pages but i'm not ready to end it just yet

[petapan]

might fuck around and townread skitter on day 1

[petapan]

might fuck around and townread skitter on day 1

feels like something scum peta says about town skitter ngl

i probably would not do that as scum

[petapan]

why do you think it should be over?

[petapan]

i dunno, why would it concern you

[petapan]

bad form, maybe (i had already unvoted so it wasn't E-1 although the unvote is nice) but i don't see why she does that as scum. a quickhammer, maybe. but, i mean, it's not like she wouldn't do a vote that looks bad as town. you know she's done that.


i kind of think toog is town who is lazy/apathetic for some reason (although it confuses me) which makes cakez trying to call him scum worse

[petapan]

bad form, maybe (i had already unvoted so it wasn't E-1 although the unvote is nice) but i don't see why she does that as scum. a quickhammer, maybe. but, i mean, it's not like she wouldn't do a vote that looks bad as town. you know she's done that.


i kind of think toog is town who is lazy/apathetic for some reason (although it confuses me) which makes cakez trying to call him scum worse

Uh remember the awful iirc hammer vote on bulge in perperual elo? She's capable of 'whoopsi-ing' that as scum and playing it off

Also toog yeah idk what he's doing. If u wanna complain abt the day still going at least try to do somethubg abt it

wouldn't really put it past her to do that type of openwolf move early, no, i'm just saying it's not impossible for her to do stuff as town that looks scummy by appearance (i still have no idea what she was doing in that mini normal)

my general thoughts so far is that she's been fine but i feel like if she's scum it'll become apparent later on. that's an incredibly lazy take but i don't care

[petapan]

Woof.

meow

[petapan]

why's he scum for posting that stuff

[petapan]

the thing you have in common is you are both reddit

[petapan]

I weirdly expect more reasoning from a scum Cakez after WH13.

i viscerally hate the takes he is putting out though

[petapan]

i hesitate a little on gamma because of the explicit reference to acting out of spite, which i'm not sure is the angle he takes as scum. also just, kind of feels like he'd be the expected day 1 vote here.


really not thrilled with galron

[petapan]

Maybe just take the leap. Get a guinea pig in the chair. I came for the events.

i don't know what magical shit you expect to happen that is supposed to be illuminating

you still have to play the fucking game

[petapan]

I came into this expecting a meme game. Why you all making it so serious?

imagine the audacity and disrespect to come into a game and whine that fifteen other players aren't playing the game to your expectations

[petapan]

I'm just kind of in a holding position at the moment. My reads look something like this, if anyone wants to talk about them

Buckets are sorted roughly T->S.

Town
=====
Taly
Pooky

Townlean
=====
Saber
Infinity
ulyana
Ydrasse
skitter

Null
=====
petapan
Toogeloo
Galron
Dunnstral
Dwlee99

Scumlean
=====                                                          
SirCakez
Cephrir          

Scum
=====
Gamma Emerald    

the only one of the townleans i'd quibble with right now is ulyana because i don't think she's done anything town-indicative

there's poking at things with questioning but i haven't seen it move in a meaningful direction yet to give me the sense that it's more than aimless banter

been meaning to check radio buzz to see if it's a playstyle thing but keep getting distracted

[petapan]

maybe just log off for a while and focus your attention on something else, what's done is done

[petapan]

this is not the place to be airing this out and it is definitely beyond the scope of a mafia game

[petapan]

btw if most gamma votes are coming from the prism / Gamma shitfight, i think they should be dropped entirely, like, i've read it and this feels more like a clash of personalities to me than actual mafia talking

i recommend reading for context, because there was some actual reasoning behind it before it got out of hand although i was skeptical on the scumcase myself

[petapan]

gypyx coming into the thread and earnestly poking around at things is a good start although i'd been townleading the slot previously for non-tilt reasons. just read Gx on his content, not his volume (i say this having misyeeted him the last time we played but whatever)

[petapan]

I keep forgetting

peta

is in this game. Hiding!

How do you feel about your odds of winning this game?

hi, things got very uncomfortable for me this afternoon so i stepped away from the game but i'm working my way back into it


right now i'm very undecided on my odds of winning, it's early day 1 and i still feel very uncertain both in terms of my own reads and the gamestate. i'm certainly not pessimistic though. is there a reason you asked this particular question?

[petapan]

i should also make myself clear: i'm glad toogeloo has deemed the game worthy of playing even if he's chosen a rather reactive vote target, i think his play is >rand town, and that people trying to call him scum for it are suspect because it's the sort of negative attention play that tends to attract scum that smell a potential mis-elimination

[petapan]

like you unvoted Gamma, but you're not really defending gamma or pushing an alternative so its strange cuz i dunno what you want to do.

i dunno, i'm just riding along going with the flow to get a better feel for people right now. i don't have organized thoughts on an elimination i want to push. is that a problem?

[petapan]

peta do u have reads other than toog?

i think taly is town, i think gypyx slot is probably town, i think you're probably town in spite of your protest at me giving that read, i think pooky is

probably

based on him coming out strong and doing the thing where he tries to poke at people he knows with a scumread to see if they flinch

i don't have a feel for a lot of people in this game but it's also been 3 days real time and i'm not really pressed to have strong reads so far. i could probably look at people and force an opinion on them if i had to but i don't feel the urgency to do so

[petapan]

like you unvoted Gamma, but you're not really defending gamma or pushing an alternative so its strange cuz i dunno what you want to do.

i dunno, i'm just riding along going with the flow to get a better feel for people right now. i don't have organized thoughts on an elimination i want to push. is that a problem?

i dunno dude im just used to you caring more I guess

do you think i'd be dispassionate as scum?

[petapan]

I dunno what devilish tricks you'd have in store for me if you rolled scum

I already said I suck at reading you

really because you've called me scum pretty much every time i rolled scum against you even if half of them were meme games. or is it that you have trouble figuring out when i'm town

peta do u have reads other than toog?

i think taly is town, i think gypyx slot is probably town, i think you're probably town in spite of your protest at me giving that read, i think pooky is

probably

based on him coming out strong and doing the thing where he tries to poke at people he knows with a scumread to see if they flinch

i don't have a feel for a lot of people in this game but it's also been 3 days real time and i'm not really pressed to have strong reads so far. i could probably look at people and force an opinion on them if i had to but i don't feel the urgency to do so

thanks.

ig i kinda just feel like you're kinda sitting and observing everything without really doing anything, if that makes sense? like you're just watchign the game, but not really part of it
that doesn't like make you scum or anything necessarily but it's making it kinda hard to read u and i'm kinda wondering why you're not doing much

that's...pretty much accurate, i suppose

it's a mix of things

i don't think this is a player list where i'm likely to have strong scumreads early and i feel that jumping in with reckless aggression is more likely to be unhelpful and lead to confusing my reads anyway

in the very early game i kind of prefer to hang back until something catches my attention anyway

this game is more or less my re-entry to plying mafia after some time off, where i couldn't muster any enthusiasm whatsoever. i had no desire to read anyone, the mystery of a game had no intrigue for me. now i'm back, i'm in that mindset and i'm eager to play, but i'm not in a place where i feel like i can act with confidence yet.


i am entirely serious when i say stuff about how i plan on being obvious town this game, it's just that it's not yet that time

[petapan]

I weirdly expect more reasoning from a scum Cakez after WH13.

i viscerally hate the takes he is putting out though

what are you finding so bad about them exactly
idk if i disagree with his reads but they aren't like producing any sort of visceral reaction for me, and i kinda think he believes what he's saying ...
also does this not translate to a scumread?

i find him to be drawing strong reads on posts i find to be mostly meaningless

i don't know that it's enough for a full-blown scumread but i find him suspicious

call me hedgy, i don't care

[petapan]

he's posting

it's ez

Fuck I think my cephrir scum read was wrong

okay, so catching up, this is exactly what i'm talking about with cakez


this is perhaps the absolute most NAI post imaginable from ceph and he's somehow drawing conclusions from this, it hardly makes sense. that's a read that ceph would pretty much feel obligated to make as scum. cakez making this read does not feel organic





(also somewhat relatedly i think ceph getting salty about being scumread is town-indicative but haven't checked his response to pressure in recent scumgames to compare)

[petapan]

i'm baffled at anyone who has galron at anything but null

i sort of expect him to show it when he's town and he hasn't done that while posting about being disconnected in a way that strikes me as performative

[petapan]

this is the same ydra of that normal game and radio buzz

im rolling town lately and i cant stop

I was backreading to track votes between the last VC and ulyana+Dunnstral and noticed this
It’s a blatant lie but the fact that it’s a blatant lie is itself evidence that Ydrasse is town
Ydrasse as Bee in PYP had a serious case of scum fatigue; after I read that fact in the scum PT of that game Ydrasse shot up to Taly-level town because I saw none of those same warning signs from her in this game that I received in that game.

i'm pretty sure this was a joke

also do people still scumread this? lol

give me a counterwagon here

[petapan]

i'm baffled at anyone who has galron at anything but null

i sort of expect him to show it when he's town and he hasn't done that while posting about being disconnected in a way that strikes me as performative

kind of ironic that i wrote this before i read page 48, where he has at least produced some readable game content, but i don't know how i feel about it in the immediate moment

[petapan]

Is Dunnstral acceptable?

gamma i'm not sure why you waffled off me in the first place if you still think i'm scummy


i think basically nothing dunn has done has been alignment indicative, he hasn't done much but that's just sort of where i expect him to be when he doesn't have a strong interest level in a game, for that reason wagoning him for not being towny enough or whatever is unlikely to be a hit. i expect him to be more readable as the game goes on and he has more reasons to actually engage with it

[petapan]

Honestly I do think your recent content is alright
You’re definitely the weakest full SR I have it’s just I kinda am concerned you’re gonna pockit me again

lol

i feel like i'm nothing like that game but that was also an anonymous game where i was playing deliberately off-meta so it's probably moot

[petapan]

VOTE: sircakez

i'm going to vote my conscience

i don't have other scumreads right now and don't care

[petapan]

VOTE: galron

[petapan]

Honestly I do think your recent content is alright
You’re definitely the weakest full SR I have it’s just I kinda am concerned you’re gonna pockit me again

lol

i feel like i'm nothing like that game but that was also an anonymous game where i was playing deliberately off-meta so it's probably moot

That game isn’t all there is my concern here. I could see you angling towards townreading me from a mile away, so I instantly went shields-up when it came to trusting you here. There’s definite room to change my mind but I think that’s best done through action vs. explanation.

tbh, i do not explicitly townread you i'm just unenthusiastic about sending you to the chair on day 1 and would rather vote someone else

[petapan]

I would've liked to see ANY type of counter to my case on Gamma.... I get it was spoilered but I don't feel differently than I did last night.

i'm gonna be honest i didn't even realize it was there because it was sandwiched between two huge anime gifs

[petapan]

trying to chew on what taly said in 966. i think the vote hopping thing people keep trying to hit him on is one of those things that people call scummy but is not actually scum indicative and is more likely to be done by town in a bad spot - i feel like someone with an actual concern for optics isn't going to make such halfhearted nonsense votes. i think some of the erraticness can just as easily come from town breaking down under pressure but i see the concern, i don't doubt taly's conviction there. i just don't know myself. might just be feeling gunshy because gamma is lodged in my mind as an easy misfade and i don't want to be wrong

i think maybe the most concerning thing is, i guess, the extent to which he is sort of leaning on other people over their reads on him. i don't have a good way of phrasing this.

[petapan]

VOTE: sircakez

i'm going to vote my conscience

i don't have other scumreads right now and don't care

VOTE: galron

What's the progression here

the progression is that there was a wagon on galron that was a counter to gamma

[petapan]

he's posting

it's ez

Fuck I think my cephrir scum read was wrong

okay, so catching up, this is exactly what i'm talking about with cakez


this is perhaps the absolute most NAI post imaginable from ceph and he's somehow drawing conclusions from this, it hardly makes sense. that's a read that ceph would pretty much feel obligated to make as scum. cakez making this read does not feel organic





(also somewhat relatedly i think ceph getting salty about being scumread is town-indicative but haven't checked his response to pressure in recent scumgames to compare)

My point there was I am constantly mind melding with Ceph and it doesn't make sense for him to be scum with that in mind

where have you mindmelded with him other than gypyx

[petapan]

i don't really hate 1319

tell peta in the scum PT I said hi :3

i told him i'm hard shielding him this game to subvert my "meta", it's gonna throw you for a loop

Toog - His uncaring play is more likely to be town, doesn't give the feeling he cares about how his posts will look every time he pops in. An example would be the vote on Prism.

fwiw the fact that nearly everyone is townreading toog for being too scummy to be scum is a little weird

i don't think it's nearly everyone, fwiw, at least when i was expressing it it was as a reaction against like cakez/ceph calling his votes terrible or whatever

maybe the wind has shifted but i'm not really sure what that means

1455 is a pretty good point i think

[petapan]

most of those pages were boring

pooky town maybe

i would have to concur that the day feels like it's getting a bit long in the tooth now although i recognize that a few people are doing work still

basically nothing galron has said makes me want to unvote. wouldn't put the highest confidence on it being a hit but as i said i don't have a ton of strong scumreads this game


if this day goes a little longer i might reread and try to put my thoughts into a coherent readslist form but i don't think there's anything i want to do particularly

[petapan]

gamma suspecting dunn here is probably a towntell

[petapan]

Well that was unfortunate but I think inevitable. I have an idea about why Pooky was selected to die. It’s getting factored into my new decision though, so I’ll hold onto it until I’m ready to make the call.

this was a more muted reaction than i would have expected toward something i'm frankly still upset by


i did, otherwise though, think in terms of process gamma was fine. him suspecting me is probably a product of recency bias and that is significantly more likely to come from town i think. the way he handled day 1 did not particularly feel like someone who knew he was going to be king if voted

i somewhat doubt ceph is a hit but meh

[petapan]

i was going to reread and take notes during this phase but as it looked like there was a legitimate chance gamma would hero shoot me i didn't bother


oh uh yeah i really dislike galron in light of the twist

[petapan]

VOTE: spare

u need to say more than this

[petapan]

i am so confused by the votes right now

towniest post you've made all game

[petapan]

infinity's vote is entirely consistent with her stance from day 1 and so is totally unsurprising

dwlee was voting the counterwagon so it at least makes sense although i do not know what his official stance is on gamma, had been voting him earlier in the day but then moved off, not a lot of words there but don't have a problem with it

[petapan]

Galron looks bad but my worry is that scum are bamboozling us and it's just a red herring

sabotage there is optimal regardless of the target's alignment (and it is INCREDIBLY annoying to think about) but irrelevant i'm looking purely in terms of day 1

[petapan]

no, gamma, i think the game has moved past me needing answers to something i asked 1400 posts ago that you already answered

[petapan]

no more votes until everyone has had a chance to post thanks

[petapan]

no, gamma, i think the game has moved past me needing answers to something i asked 1400 posts ago that you already answered

I don't recall ever answering the first half
you felt reactive by the virtue of your posts mostly being responses to others, and I felt like that was indicative of trying to ride the waves rather than wanting to make them. That might have just been playstyle, but either way I feel like later on you progressed past being reactive.

you did in 486

these feels reasonably consistent with each other though so that's good

[petapan]

ceph flip is fine and gamma felt sincere in his catch-up even if ceph doesn’t flip scum

not much else in my head

i want to circle back to this because it just struck me, you're just going with spare because of being "fine" with the flip? like wouldn't a hypothetical gamma-scum want to make a legitimate looking shot so as to get spared? i don't think he would openwolf with the shot so that feels like a very flippant read to make

[petapan]

i read bits of radio buzz (it's why i signed up for this) and scum knew well in advance what was going to happen that game so knowing the twist to the first event is not at all unreasonable

[petapan]

@shiki i think it's possible yes

UNVOTE: Spare i don't know how to do this but i don't want to end the day yet

i actually want people to commit to reads before we move on to the next event and know what it entails


maybe it doesn't help but i don't think it can hurt

plan to do this myself when i have free time

[petapan]

Still pissed pooky died :/

same

[petapan]

i don't think pooky was killed because of mech spec lol


although he is shockingly good at guessing the twists in these roller coaster ride games


he was killed because he was highly motivated and obvious town who is capable of dominating a thread and often has good reads

it's an obvious and boring answer and i don't know that there's a lot of insight to be gleaned from it

[petapan]

maybe pooky is the ultimate bad guy and faked his own death so he can come back and surprise us in the twist ending finale




probably not but i wish that would happen

[petapan]

actually i'm going to hipfire a reads list from memory having done almost no review

people who are towny:
taly
gypyx
infinity 324
skitter30

towny but not as confidently:
ulyana
gamma emerald

not sure, need to look at more closely:
saber
sircakez
dwlee99

people who are not towny/poe-ish:
ydrasse
toogeloo
galron
dunnstral

the bottom group don't translate to explicit scumreads in all cases but the bar is such that i am perfectly content with getting rid of people who aren't helping their own causes. gamma's logic about toog not caring about d1 being suspect when the twist was revealed is my thinking exactly, the paranoid thought i had day 1 was that his apathy toward the phase was a result of being informed that the vote was not directly an execution vote

[petapan]

Why the assumption that pooky was an intended target? This doesn't bode well for me, but what if they just didn't want me killed bc they knew I'm limbait and "another player will be executed" type thing happened?

almost not worth dignifying this with a response but given who the kill hit i did not assume it was random. (i forgot that potential randomness was even an aspect of the setup until this post). scum would have significantly less incentive to sabotage onto a random target because it could potentially hit a player in the POE (i mean, unless they really wanted to save their teammate...)

[petapan]

I think infinity is evil here

based on

[petapan]

really


REALLY

[petapan]

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

[petapan]

peta maybe

i more or less expect to get this

i think if you go beyond entertaining the paranoia read of "he could be playing a good scum game" (whether or not i deserve that read) and, just, like, down the line look back at whether my actions have been playing to a scum agenda

i don't think it'll be hard to figure out that i'm town

[petapan]

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

you think dwlee about to be flipped or…?

no just

down the line


anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up

[petapan]

like maybe the scumteam is dunn/galron/ydrasse/ceph but probably not right

idk who i should be looking at that i'm not

i don't think it's imperative to have the game solved on day 2 and the important thing is to kill the people who aren't towny and then re-evaluate from there, right now we have incomplete information

and to that end my point is, galron isn't towny, barely played day 1 which given what we now know about the chair is +scum, is engaging in pointless and absurd speculation just to make people waste time giving rebuttals to it, flagrantly doesn't care about solving the game in any capacity, he should be exectued ASAP rather than people big braining themselves into killing someone more town by going "would he reaaalllly play this way as scum i dunno" b/c i've seen too many games where people do that and make things take way longer than they should

kill the people who aren't being towny. figure out the hard stuff when you have flips to look back on

[petapan]

vote: spare

[petapan]

@peta but my gut says galron is town

guttttttt

shrug i don't really care, he hasn't towntold and should die at some point in this game

that does not necessarily have to be this phase even though in my heart i want him dead instantly

[petapan]

Outside of

Gamma V Galron

,

Pooky

directed majority of his attention, more so EoD, to

Saber/Dunn/Peta

. I think that contributed to his NK.

there is like

a lot of personal history w/r/t me/pooky you are not privy to

and that was playing into how he interacted with me

i just think you should be aware because i think how he treated me looks wildly different to someone with no context

[petapan]

@peta but my gut says galron is town

guttttttt

shrug i don't really care, he hasn't towntold and should die at some point in this game

that does not necessarily have to be this phase even though in my heart i want him dead instantly

It seems a number of people want you eliminated as well. Are you concerned with that?

i haven't caught up on the last few pages, are there people who seriously want me dead

[petapan]

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

you think dwlee about to be flipped or…?

no just

down the line


anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up

This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.

shut the fuck up wolf

[petapan]

Outside of

Gamma V Galron

,

Pooky

directed majority of his attention, more so EoD, to

Saber/Dunn/Peta

. I think that contributed to his NK.

there is like

a lot of personal history w/r/t me/pooky you are not privy to

and that was playing into how he interacted with me

i just think you should be aware because i think how he treated me looks wildly different to someone with no context

Then give me context?

how long do you have?

[petapan]

idk about peta and Dunn, but Ydra I definitely feel like isn’t showing the same fatigue as she had in PYP, so unless between games she got a second wind, I don’t think she’s scum here

this is like

diametrically the opposite of my read of her

in fact she's probably in the category of "die dead now" reads for me, pondering the game after a run


the bar for her towntelling is high and she has not really come close to it whatsoever


additionally, i think looking back on it, her vote on you day 1 that skitter called out wasn't great

and secretly for a while now i've disliked the way she responded to pooky scumreading her on day 1

[petapan]

Haha. I want

Dunn and Peta

to be the duelists.

dunn is a poe slot but an exceptionally mediocre kill choice ATM, certainly worse than galron/toogeloo/ydrasse, but that's partly just meta there where i know he can be kind of underwhelming, and i don't have any real reasons to actually scumread him - i just don't have good reason to townread him either. there are a few minor gut-feely things from his posts i think

could

be towny, but if this were a conventional game and he was at E-1, I'd be okay with him dying. that's kind of where my read of him is at. i think anyone acting like he is lockscum at this point is a fool or is bullshitting

I actually wouldn't mind him being in the duel but I kind of want him to be the one with the gun for speculative reasons that i'm going to get into

[petapan]

All players vote to nominate a player to partake in a Duel to the Death.
The first player to reach a majority will be nominated, as well as the player with the second-most votes when a majority occurs.
The player who was nominated second gets the gun first. It is guaranteed at least one nominee will not survive the duel.

so, i should speculate here

i avoided that first phase because i feel like that endless guessing is a rabbit hole that distracts from actually playing mafia and we had no way of knowing what the twist would be

(it is super tilting that scum essentially got a free kill with the sabotage that was optimal to use no matter what the alignment of the person in the chair/execution target was. just absurdly unfair. pooky didn't even get a chance to play the game)


but i think it's clear that we need to give some consideration to what's going to happen and potential twists/fuckery because we need to make votes with strategic consideration that are hedging against bastard shenanigans

so the two people are in a duel, it doesn't necessarily say with each other but it says one nominee will not survive so let's just assume it works that way for now

i think the most obvious potential sabotage is for the gun to backfire and kill the shooter

but also, it doesn't really have anything to indicate the duelists will be isolated, it seems like it could be entirely possible that the #2 choice who gets the gun could just shoot someone else if they're scum. sure they get outed but it'd be like another free kill


so i sort of want the #2 person to be someone who is a poe/uncertain read but has the possibility of being town, that's what makes sense to me

[petapan]

@peta but my gut says galron is town

guttttttt

shrug i don't really care, he hasn't towntold and should die at some point in this game

that does not necessarily have to be this phase even though in my heart i want him dead instantly

It seems a number of people want you eliminated as well. Are you concerned with that?

there are, in fact, not many people who want me eliminated at all as it turns out


i'm not precisely sure what's with taly wanting me in the duel but i don't think it's a fullblown scumread


cakez humping my leg like a yappy dog is what i

expect

from him as town and in fact one of my concerns with him this game was with how he was approaching me, him making a post where he's giddy over the prospect of me being scum makes me feel a lot better about him

[petapan]

peta's jealous that he has to post content to be townread tbh

i have actually gotten townread for not efforting, me doing that is actually strongly town indicative because i'm a massve tryhard as scum but most people don't understand that

anyway

VOTE: ydrasse

[petapan]

i had typed that point about russian roulette out but deleted it because i didn't feel like i could make an interesting point off it

[petapan]

oh i forgot to say it but i'm gutted i was right on ceph and didn't get a chance to defend him

i don't really begrudge gamma it's just. i tunneled ceph in our first game together and i felt like he was getting bad reads on him here for similarish reasons and i wanted to save him

sadness

[petapan]

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

you think dwlee about to be flipped or…?

no just

down the line


anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up

This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.

shut the fuck up wolf

Why are you mad at him if you think he's a stagehand doing his job?

because that post is ludicrously stupid shade, and in the moment it pissed me off so that i gave that response

when someone is arguing disingenuously you cannot just keep arguing on their terms because they'll keep twisting shit, so i break it off

and right here what galron is doing is fucking nonsense


"this sounds like you knew this phase was coming" is shading me for predicting that,

in a mafia game

, there would be a phase involving eliminating someone from the game. imagine being able to predict that. insane. impossible. how could anyone know

any rational minded person looks at that post and thinks nothing of it

however if your job is tell lies and get townies killed, you look at that post and try to spin it as coming from an informed perspective

[petapan]

I'm not interested in voting for Ydrasse or Gypyx. I don't like Infinity voting for Gypyx on the basis Gamma contestant means Prism more likely to be a stagehand.

Infinity, you've made this assumption twice now that the people pushing Gamma the most are more likely to be a stagehand now that Gamma is probably a contestant - first with me, and now with Prism. The problem with that is the fact stagehands knew how the chair in the first phase would work, and that it comes with a heavy risk of the chaired person simply OMGUS executing their pusher.

I'm sure stagehand Prism would have some more reservations of pushing Gamma so aggressively had she considered this factor, which I'm sure she would've.

you say you don't like it but do you think it makes infinity scummy

[petapan]

Every reply from peta in this dialogue chain pings me more than the previous.

1934 sounds like challenging Dwlee's read on Infinity but 1935 throws me off from this idea because peta's focus shifts from defending Infinity to being scumread based off the idea Dwlee is town...

But Dwlee seems more closely in peta's PoE than not, so why set an expectation that Dwlee must be town for him to avoid scrutiny? The framing of the situation doesn't make sense to me and possibly informed. So I figured the post was self-conscious in the interest of peta's defense, not Infinity's. Which is a weird stance to take for town who disagrees with another townread being suspected.

The 1938 post does nothing to sway me from my above thought process. Why would peta be concerned with "down-the-line" when the setup was very unclear? Sure, he could be mislim bait, but there doesn't seem to be a binary elimination setup so far, so this post reads more of just "stop paying attention to me" more than "I don't want to be misunderstood."

And when Galron actually calls him out on this, the aggression in 2025 feels very disproportional to the situation. If peta wasn't worried about being viewed as informed (in the idea that he actually wasn't), why does he spend energy trying to dismiss and antagonize someone he already scumreads? It reads in bad faith, and by this point, I've lost trust in most of peta's intention in the dialogue tree.

taly respectfully this is hot nonsense and if you believe i'm an optimal kill over any of the people not playing it would be an absolute atrocity, especially when the case for me being scum here is so incredibly tenuous

preflip associatives are just awful to use and will lead you down a false path a majority of the time

first point: i wanted dwlee to elaborate on his scumread of infinity. "tonal read" is a really silly reason to be scumreading someone that deep into the game, but it also gives me nothing to work with. i didn't bother pressing him to elaborate, because i do not actually care what the reasoning behind a "tonal read" over 1000 posts into the game is. truthfully, him giving such a crappy explanation is probably +town but iwouldn't hang my hat on that

i already adressed the "down the line" point. it is nonsensical.

how the you read that exchange with galron and conclude

I'M

the one acting in bad faith, i have absolutely no idea

[petapan]

And why are you so insulting? This is a game.

i insulted your post and accused you of being a liar

cut the crocodile tears

[petapan]

i don't think we should really be worried too much about galron/ydrasse wanting to vote themselves, if they're scum there's a good chance they're just trying to make it seem like they want to be voted. it's unlikely the duel is actually a good thing

yes

[petapan]

you haven't towntold

[petapan]

your response to pooky was very slightly scummy in my eyes as well

[petapan]

what if i told you the last game i played as town was more or less this

i would tell you i explicitly do not care, because the fact that you can play like this as town does not mean that playing like this makes you town

and i have no reason to not want to kill you over who actually care about solving the game

[petapan]

Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

And if they're town, why risk town eliminations?

taly respectfully look at these two points and try to tell me what alignment you think we're supposed to be voting here

[petapan]

what if i told you the last game i played as town was more or less this

i would tell you i explicitly do not care, because the fact that you can play like this as town does not mean that playing like this makes you town

and i have no reason to not want to kill you over who actually care about solving the game

okay next question

do you think ppl are ~actively scummier~ than me?

absence of towntelling =/= scumming and ive only seen "slightly scummy"

no, i want to kill you galron toog and dunnstral immediately

[petapan]

Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

And if they're town, why risk town eliminations?

taly respectfully look at these two points and try to tell me what alignment you think we're supposed to be voting here

Scum, of course. But why scum under the notion that they'd want it? It seems like a contrast of interest.

~~~

<3

Stay well,

Galron

.

so then why even argue that at all "if they're scum selfvoting we shouldn't vote them" is just a nonstarter because you're precluding the notion that it's ever possible to vote out scum

which would be a hell of a bastard setup

[petapan]

If you really have such a strong conviction that Galron is scum, I want to hear, and I'd be doubly confused on why you vote Ydrasse here.

i laid out my manifesto in 1941 with "kill the people who aren't being towny"

i think overthinking and trying to kill someone else based on some complicated theory about them being scum because you think their tone is sinister is an epic mistake and i have seen games where town big brain themselves out of voting do nothing scum because they want something ~fancy~, they want a ~case~, the narrative of "this person does not care about solving the game and is of the mafia alignment" is too

boring

so they big brain themselves into a complicated theory and kill a townie who is actually trying to figure things out instead

i do not want that to happen here


i also think the way galron and toogeloo played event one is +scum now that we know what the chair actually did

[petapan]

and i know i mildly defended dunn last night but after his last popin my stance on him is "idc"

[petapan]

i also think the way galron and toogeloo played event one is +scum now that we know what the chair actually did

hmm why

because galron flatly didn't care about getting voted and toog played like a jester

[petapan]

i also think the way galron and toogeloo played event one is +scum now that we know what the chair actually did

hmm why

because galron flatly didn't care about getting voted and toog played like a jester

sure, but what's their plan to not get executed after that? or was their plan to just use the chair as a nk and then get executed

seems like not a great plan

half the people on this site don't want to play scum

i don't rule anything out on the basis of it being a bad plan

i think either "i don't feel like efforting let me get voted and then we make two kills" or letting yourself get the chair and then "towning it up" when you have the thread to yourself both make sense as scum strategies

and that ultimately having control of a guaranteed kill is really not a bad plan at all, getting voted into the chair was probably a good outcome for scum

[petapan]

Really doubt that Gamma wagon is completely pure. Peta I know your big read is Ydra but have you factored in Gamma's wagon as well? I really believe that's a great place to look

you realize i think (most) wagon purity arguments are nonsense yeah

i think you can maybe try to pick apart who was voting with a legitimate scumread versus doing so out of convenience but even that's complicated by scum probably knowing what would happen

i haven't had an opportunity to reread anyone yet i have just wanted to kill the people who are not being town

[petapan]

i think i'll be able to figure out unwnd's alignment pretty easily so

[petapan]

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

I also think he is scum

is this still the earlygame vote

[petapan]

VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

What if it is kingmaker and they are scum?
Your reasoning doesn't add up here

VOTE: Sircakez

they only have so much control over it
if they exe someone who town doesn't generally agree needs death it still looks like shit

that said I see where you're coming from re; it not adding up for you

I'm not sure that you do?

It doesn't add up because you go from them being scum to them being town depending on what the chair does, with no in between.

@peta

Still based on this feeling off to me

that is actually a funny-ish statement to make espcially knowing the outcome of the event in hindsight. not that other people didn't guess the twist, but

[petapan]

i think cakez being behind on the game is null given he was MLed for it in a mini normal, just doesn't have as much time to post

[petapan]

Not gonna lie I felt very cold about the people who were here talking with me.

? you said you were evaluating gamma's wagon and i presented an opportunity for you to do so as i was on that wagon right and this is the first you seem to have any opinion about my alignment anywhere and it is 'felt cold interacting but may be town'?

I'm not sure what your alignment is. I'm not sure what Skitter's alignment is. I don't know what Peta is going to do when he sees that I pretty much came in here and disagreed with two of his scumreads. Who's left? Dwlee? They got flustered about not being answered and dipped.

my read on dunn was less a scumread and more an "okay, can die" read since he'd popped in solely to defend himself against a thing

his posts since you showed up have been better

[petapan]

idk

i always scumread infinity without fail

it's hard to know if i just scumread something abt her

i just felt like she should have more standing wrt experience to know that i do this as town

she did say it was towny omgus which feels valid

i had less of an expectation but some for peta to know i do this as town sometimes but it's in character for him to not care about it tbh as either alignment so i didn't get far

i do understand you can be playing this way as town i just cannot townread you for it

i know it's unfair to expect someone to have a consistent energy level every game because that stuff varies, and i get that when i want to play laid back and it's annoying

but even if you're not motivated i'm holding you to the standard where you need to show

something

more than what you've done to be town

and so i'm going to vote you until either you towntell or one of us is dead

[petapan]

don't have thoughts on unwnd right now

[petapan]

2127 - Oozes contestants from Taly, I don't see a stagehand faking a winding complex thought process like this.
2138 - That's a good point I think.

I'm not interested in voting for Ydrasse or Gypyx. I don't like Infinity voting for Gypyx on the basis Gamma contestant means Prism more likely to be a stagehand.

Infinity, you've made this assumption twice now that the people pushing Gamma the most are more likely to be a stagehand now that Gamma is probably a contestant - first with me, and now with Prism. The problem with that is the fact stagehands knew how the chair in the first phase would work, and that it comes with a heavy risk of the chaired person simply OMGUS executing their pusher.

I'm sure stagehand Prism would have some more reservations of pushing Gamma so aggressively had she considered this factor, which I'm sure she would've.

you say you don't like it but do you think it makes infinity scummy

Yeah, it's stage 1 type thinking which I think is more likely to come from a stagehand, we don't know Gamma's alignment for one to confidently base reads off of him, but assuming Infinity is a stagehand, it's not a bad route for her to pursue other votes on Gamma's pushers if they're contestants, and she knows Gamma is a contestant.

meh i don't think infinity tries to fos gypyx the way she has as scum

feels like legitimate suspicion

[petapan]

reread the last 40ish posts from infinity's iso as a check and think she's fine. i don't find it, like, whelmingly towny and she's maybe faded a bit in terms of actively doing things but nothing particularly looks bad in there.


similarly took a look at saber because she was a blind spot for me and wanted to check that. posting styl is very formal which i'm always going to struggle with, on the one had she looks the part of a townie and on the other i just always find posts that are more carefully constructed to be suspicious. has mostly focused attention on the popular targets in gamma and galron but her reasons there have made sense they haven't been, like, scummy pushing necessarily. maybe a bit narrow focused but like i said earlier, looks the part. probably wouldn't be able to read without flips, wouldn't want to flip today

[petapan]

reread dwlee, posts feel hollow, had a few things that i didn't really like, don't get a strong sense of a believable, like, process there, thought the read on infinity was not something scum would push in such a mediocre way but it's like, what are they doing here? i don't really get it. downgrade to scumlean, would fade

[petapan]

cakez's early game is bad but i think he gets better later. there is some stuff from him i think is maybe towny that i don't feel like going into. i don't think the reasons for suspecting him (lack of nuance, being behind on the game) are really alignment indicative. do want to see more from him but wouldn't really fade at this point in time

[petapan]

Nobody is scumreading Sircakez for being behind on the game

i feel like that was part of the point unwnd was making

but then i remember that post about prism on day 1 again and it's uuuugh

i guess i wouldn't shield him if he were getting wagoned

[petapan]

aren't you scumreading saber

[petapan]

why that vote

[petapan]

you had said it was maybe town indicative in 1301?

[petapan]

can you tell me what your reads are currently

[petapan]

that was @gypyx i just got cut off by the new page

[petapan]

you had said it was maybe town indicative in 1301?

One thing to consider is 1301 was during event 1, when we had very little to go on

to be clear i'm not trying to pull a gotcha here i just wanted to understand his progression on that read and try to pull him back into the game

[petapan]

@gypyx do you think your idea of where scum is has changed due to knowing the true nature of the chair?

nah

my change of stance of toog was basically old me being like "but old toog wouldn't play bad like that !" while current me thinks his current posting is pushing things a bit too far there

pedit : although i hate the way it's formulated ulyana kinda got a point

also this is more or less my exact feeling on the matter so

[petapan]

reread dwlee, posts feel hollow, had a few things that i didn't really like, don't get a strong sense of a believable, like, process there, thought the read on infinity was not something scum would push in such a mediocre way but it's like, what are they doing here? i don't really get it. downgrade to scumlean, would fade

i kinda forgot dwlee was in this game too this phase tbh but i would vote them too

can you talk to me more about that ead because you thought they were scummy where i was just kind of, meh

also hi

[petapan]

reread dwlee, posts feel hollow, had a few things that i didn't really like, don't get a strong sense of a believable, like, process there, thought the read on infinity was not something scum would push in such a mediocre way but it's like, what are they doing here? i don't really get it. downgrade to scumlean, would fade

i kinda forgot dwlee was in this game too this phase tbh but i would vote them too

can you talk to me more about that ead because you thought they were scummy where i was just kind of, meh

also hi

hi!

are you just asking why i scumread them?

yes

[petapan]

peta, I'm trying to townread you and these posts aren't making it easier.

i'm not really concerned with convincing you i'm town right now, in part because i don't think i'm in real danger of getting killed here, in part because your reasons for scumreading me seem to stem from disliking me being abrasive and pressuring people i see as not having done much, and ultimately i feel like we are operating on different wavelengths and are not going to see eye to eye here

[petapan]

Toog egging on the votes seemed out of character?

I don't really feel like Toog gets impatient that easily given they spend a lot of time just lounging around and doing things at their own pace.

this is possibly the worst of him for me
but he also, like, doesn't seem to actaully care about who ends up getting those votes which feels the opposite of scummy to me

like i think scum would care more if that makes sense

i don't think it's impossible for him to play into that, the fact that he is just treating the game with open disdain is tilting because he's capable of putting in more than he has

i'm partly motivated here because i just got out of an offsite game where someone trolled and fucked around and barely played the game and scumclaimed repeatedly and town leveled themselves out of voting this person and let them make F5 before finally killing them


and like in general it feels like in games here there's been a case where people have had scum against the ropes for non-contributing and have just big brained themselves into thinking the answer has to be something more complicated


and i can't pretend it's guaranteed he's scum but really what he's doing is flat-out unacceptable and the fact that people are just sort of writing him off/giving a pass for it is not ok

[petapan]

also this is more or less my exact feeling on the matter so

maybe i'm wrong then lol

UNVOTE:

i just don't think it's an especially damning post from Gx but i'm biased off past experience y'know

i just want him to talk because he's readable if he talks

[petapan]

I'm not trying to make some grandiose point but Dwlee vote to me just seems so flat and not really game-changing. Same thing with Toog/Gypyx really. I think I would want to use the execution for realistically a more controversial read matched with a (Toog/Gypyx) type person because I'm certain the Pooky switch is not an informed Toog/Gypyx/Dwlee groupscum decision, even if nobody has implied they think that could contain the whole groupscum.

As an aside, I don't know what people see in Saber but I also don't have the proper words at this time.

refer to my immediate rant about people not wanting to kill players who aren't trying to solve the game and wanting something ~spicy~ instead that ends up being a miss

if you want something else, make a case but these feeble little protests do nothing

how much of the game have you read, anyway?

[petapan]

I think my drive to punish slots I believe have been bad for thread health is obstructing my reads

if you want tto punish people who have been bad for thread health you should look at the people not trying to solve the game, and not me, because i very much am

if you find me swearing and being rude distateful then simply say so and i will try to tone it down but doing so does not make me scum

[petapan]

I'm not trying to make some grandiose point but Dwlee vote to me just seems so flat and not really game-changing. Same thing with Toog/Gypyx really. I think I would want to use the execution for realistically a more controversial read matched with a (Toog/Gypyx) type person because I'm certain the Pooky switch is not an informed Toog/Gypyx/Dwlee groupscum decision, even if nobody has implied they think that could contain the whole groupscum.

As an aside, I don't know what people see in Saber but I also don't have the proper words at this time.

refer to my immediate rant about people not wanting to kill players who aren't trying to solve the game and wanting something ~spicy~ instead that ends up being a miss

if you want something else, make a case but these feeble little protests do nothing

how much of the game have you read, anyway?

A decent chunk overnight. I went back about as far to where Gamma was being executed, and then a little bit of this phase afterwards. It was in skim but it was a read nonetheless

I'm aware of the futility of me saying it, but I still disagree so I'm going to say it anyways. Do you think Toog/Gypyx/Dwlee in a combination of two would be fine then?

what are your reads like


no, i don't want to kill gypyx and have expressed as much, dwlee is decidedly only a slot i don't townread but don't have a strong desire to kill

[petapan]

I'm not trying to make some grandiose point but Dwlee vote to me just seems so flat and not really game-changing. Same thing with Toog/Gypyx really. I think I would want to use the execution for realistically a more controversial read matched with a (Toog/Gypyx) type person because I'm certain the Pooky switch is not an informed Toog/Gypyx/Dwlee groupscum decision, even if nobody has implied they think that could contain the whole groupscum.

As an aside, I don't know what people see in Saber but I also don't have the proper words at this time.

refer to my immediate rant about people not wanting to kill players who aren't trying to solve the game and wanting something ~spicy~ instead that ends up being a miss

if you want something else, make a case but these feeble little protests do nothing

how much of the game have you read, anyway?

A decent chunk overnight. I went back about as far to where Gamma was being executed, and then a little bit of this phase afterwards. It was in skim but it was a read nonetheless

I'm aware of the futility of me saying it, but I still disagree so I'm going to say it anyways. Do you think Toog/Gypyx/Dwlee in a combination of two would be fine then?

what are your reads like


no, i don't want to kill gypyx and have expressed as much, dwlee is decidedly only a slot i don't townread but don't have a strong desire to kill

My expressed distaste of lacking townreads hasn't changed. I recently moved Dunn down and I'm still basically at Gamma obvious town (shocker) and then middling feelings for a lot of people but not enough to put them at the same level. I'm only at 'I dislike these people and would flip them for equity' which isn't my favorite place to be.

I do think some people I would be against not executing, but that's not a townread and more like it doesn't personally invest me lol

so you don't have strong townreads but feel strongly about who would/would not be a good elimination?

[petapan]

i think i want to bump peta up to a townlean

i knew you'd get there eventually

[petapan]

Yeah I don't, but if I saw certain people close to elimination I might say 'no, I don't think I want that' as I feel if we're being choosy about it I want some sort of result that personally benefits me. It would be nice if my Ydra/Infinity having one scum deal came to fruition and I could slot one of them as town as example.

it just keeps bothering me that you seem to be opinionated without being grounded in the game and it's setting off red flags for me

when you post actual analysis it seems fine (even though i've waffled back to dunn being +town now) but i want to have a sense you're really analyzing the game rather than just trying to make moves positionally and what you've done so far isn't enough

[petapan]

Galron looks bad but my worry is that scum are bamboozling us and it's just a red herring

Cakez

, what made you think he was a red herring and do you still believe so?

because it's a big balls big reward play
galron was already widely suspected - this sabotage could easily be the tipping point to get us to yeet them


atm I'm willing to vote Peta, Dunn, Infinity

why infinity

[petapan]

atm I'm willing to vote Peta, Dunn, Infinity

why peta

I TR other people more and he fits into a scumteam that sabotaged that event

that's a dumb reason because i'm fairly sure half the people in this game if not more would have used the sabotage for a free kill on pooky, the idea that it implicates me specifically is fairly silly

[petapan]

i kind of like ydrasse on this page

[petapan]

VOTE: unwnd

[petapan]

i also greatly dislike any suggestion that infinity would be a worthy elim

[petapan]

can you guys post less
i read a page and then there's a new page

i'll step away and let the game breathe for a bit sure

but i want to make sure you explain why you'd be okay with killing infinity

[petapan]

Anyway it looks like general consensus is on Toog being in the duel, who else should we put in?

lmao says who? what consensus?

VOTE: gypyx the rare scummy inconsistency imo

here's a reason to vote infinity
she pops in just to drop a vote on Gypyx who randomly showed up in the last few pages and made a mistake
feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp

oh you're actually scum this game huh

[petapan]

this is how i feel right now

Spoiler:

ydra is town

do you know she posted that gif as scum to get a wagon off her on day 1 in team mafia


that was on my mind in how i was reading her outburst last night but while i think the, uh, passion or whatever is null the way she's going about it feels more real, in terms of the indignation at how unwnd is approaching her, and it's calling on specific things being said rather than just using emotion purely as a way of getting heat off her

[petapan]

like i'm not agitated on a personal level i hope you know

i'm baffled and annoyed because i really, genuinely think you though i would roll over and die and the ways you kept trying to set it all up would be ignored or glossed over because... well, i wouldn't challenge you on it.

because i hadn't done it elsewhere, because like, fuck, everyone else voting me? i get it

but you were just doing it so obviously that i'm not gonna take the fake hand wringing lmao

like, this. not the gif

[petapan]

i also greatly dislike any suggestion that infinity would be a worthy elim

i feel like i've asked you this before but you seem to be pretty solidly townreading me and i'm not sure why

i waver back and forth but lean more toward you being genuine in terms of how you've been approaching the gae with the reads and votes you've made. i didn't agree with the gypyx vote but it made

sense

from a town-you perspective. it did not feel like a vote that was made tactically

mostly i think the reasons suggested for scumreading you are not very good, yet i keep seeing your name thrown out as sort of an ambient suggestion where it's being said you're not doing much or whatever and it feels a bit like there's some amount of people wanting to ingrain the idea of you being scummy without a case that makes much sense to me

[petapan]

The moment I choose not to get emotional (e.g my apparent scumtell) and I have peta/Skitter/You all clamoring that I'm backed into a corner and just saying stuff.

Cool.

me voting you has nothing to do with you being emotional or not (which, this post is AtE), and everything to do with the words you've been putting out and the way you're approaching the game

when you came into the game i wanted to give you space to catch up and get reads if you're town and what you've put out hasn't given me reason to believe you're town

I mention 'hey what about Cakez/Saber they're scummy'

I get feedback of 'nah don't agree' from most people. I think I would still want those two? But I'm

literally

not in a position to be calling shots like that and I'm not egotistic enough to believe I am. I went to Infinity/You as a secondary because you were a topic I wanted more focus on and I do have gut reasons to not really like Infinity. Maybe it's my bad the way I startled you but damn. If my words are coming off ineffective I will try my best to pool everything together and start over.

i mentioned vague but not strong disagreement after a very fast ISO skim, other people just seemed kind of meh at the idea, i don't think anyone is settled in their views

if you are town the point is to use your words to get across why these players are scummy. make a case.

i know you are more than capable of this. instead you're lamenting how the world is being unfair to you

i don't want to hear it, if you actually believe this stuff then communicate it to us

[petapan]

Peta's

latest reply to me was sound, though.

Oh, what the hell.

VOTE: Cakez

The two-ended admission of bussing is very on the nose.

Plus my self-vote is at best distracting with less payoff the longer it is on.

?
I thought he was p townie tonight

having actually gone over the body of work rather than taking a snipe at the one post on infinity, i would generally agree with this and feel the way he was catching up and commenting on stuff didn't feel like he was BSing. the response to unwnd is probably not how he responds to pressure as scum although i want to do some homework on that

I felt his mortal-kombat reaction just now doesnt come from scum-him
Dunn wouod also be a good vote

i have felt like the bite dunn has had is town-indicative but probably not worth shielding at this point

[petapan]

yeah, nvm, cakez's response to unwnd last night is in total null territory (citation: warehouse 13), townreads for it are bad

i think the solving feels maybe genuine there but not confident at all

[petapan]

like it felt like lights were off and i could relate to that

Can you clarify what “lights were off” means?

it is like,

sometimes i am very excited for a game almost always if i sign up and stay signed up i am very much excited to be playing it

but then the game starts and i flip the switch to turn on the lights and the lights do not come on

and it feels like i can't make sense of anything and all of my thoughts are like 'yup they are a player in this game'

and then others are like 'she must be a scums!' or worse they are like why don't you just try flipping that switch again it's right there and i am like that's not how lights work

Well it feels like we have been talking in circles for several 10's of pages

Not Voting [3]: ulyana, Dunnstral, Infinity 324

dude

cmon

[petapan]

VOTE: sircakez


taly get back here

Peta's

latest reply to me was sound, though.

i just want to say, i appreciate you this game, as the only person on the playerlist i had no familiarity with you've been a delight, and i'm sorry if my earlier aggression was offputting (i know it was...probably uncharitable to galron and unfortunate. but some of that is that this is a game where not everything people say can be taken at face value)

i do not want you to feel like you are frozen out this game because i hate when that happens to me as town

and i feel as though you are quite likely to be town and if it's possible i want to reconcile the issues you have with me and see if we can work things out

[petapan]

people posting in the thread ATM please tell me your read on cakez right now

[petapan]

like everyone slightly moving the second duelist while not really making it clear they are is suspicious yeah? and how everyone is ignoring what happened last night from toog unwnd vote on is very very confusing

what is it you want to be acknowledged

[petapan]

like everyone slightly moving the second duelist while not really making it clear they are is suspicious yeah? and how everyone is ignoring what happened last night from toog unwnd vote on is very very confusing

what is it you want to be acknowledged

toog votes unwnd to e-2 when toog is the most likely other duelist, then unwnd selfvotes to e-1 when toog/unwnd would be the duelists, then gamma moves the second duelist off of toogeloo while asking unwnd who second duelist should be?? which just doesn't make any sense when we are trying to have two mafias in the duel,

like it just doesn't feel like town behaviour from any of them?

well i see what you're saying but i don't think they're all scum doing that. their actions being irrational don't necessarily mean they're scum motivated

people posting in the thread ATM please tell me your read on cakez right now

I like him for pushing unwnd, but struggle to read him otherwise since he doesn't give many reasons. Closer to PoE range than my contestant list.

i mean that doesn't mean much when we don't know unwnd's alignment

[petapan]

people posting in the thread ATM please tell me your read on cakez right now

lean town

why

[petapan]

@peta if you want i can iso him, i don't really have reason except the vibes feel similar to when he's town and he doesn't seem to care about how he's perceived, i have a hard time coming up with concrete reasons to read cakez

go ahead and do that and let me know what you think

[petapan]

but now wanted to move the vote off of toogeloo onto saber? because the other duelist wanted it?

but definitely not onto sircakez, i should note here for petapan

i'm actually quite solid this is where i want a fade

[petapan]

yeah

[petapan]

Someone who townreads infinity tell me why

i've felt that the way she's been trying to solve the game has been genuine and the stances aren't really what i'd expect scum-her to take, pressuring gypyx the way she has just gets everyone to do a spittake

i know that's vague and unhelpful but really i'm looking at feelings i get off reading he game and "does this person look like they are trying to actually figure things out". i'm not really interested in doing a deep dive or a towncase right now and would rather talk about reads with her if anything to get a better feel. if you have a case beyond some vague "tonal" stuff then i'd hear you out


can i instead tempt you to vote cakez since you have said you'd be okay eliminating him today

[petapan]

@peta sorry i read cakez iso and came to the same conclusion as before. the towniest thing i can pinpoint is the indecisiveness on you

i feel like if anything he'd be more prone to to getting tunnely, he seemed almost too soft in his read of ceph/me

but that's not really what the basis for my read is, i'm just not hard shoving it yet

was interested in your take because you've seen him as both alignments relatively recently

[petapan]

menalque's C9++

[petapan]

a team that's trying to dominate the gamestate and completely control the direction of the town
pooky is a loud voice that has to go if you want to accomplish that
so that means that scum is in the more active players

why would a lurker scumteam not want to kill pooky lmao

[petapan]

can't speak for anyone else but i'm open to persuasion but want to see thoughts, not feelings

the fact that i've moved my vote based on my own investigation should tell you i'm not locked in

[petapan]

Why is Cakez the optimal vote over Dunn?

okay, so, for dunn

i think the reasons for scumreading him are related to disengagement and one post about gamma that pooky scumread. and i don't think that's very solid.

yes i've been ranting and raving about killing the not towny people, theones who aren't solving the game

but the thing is, even if he's not engaged or super active, he has reads that he's putting out when he feels they're warranted. his posts have a bite to them that suggest these are legitimate opinions. i don't think he's playing to look presentable or go under the radar, he's just kind of saying stuff he feels strongly about while staying silent on the rest.

is that super solid locktown stuff? no, but i don't have him as my first choice for a vote today



as for cakez, i'll get to that but it's going to take me a while

[petapan]

idk dude i'm just theorizing
respond to my other questions

i didn't care to

my argument is that you getting fired up in response to unwnd is not a towntell and should not be read as such, it is not the reason why i think you're scum here

[petapan]

cakez

did you just ask to see the case

[petapan]

too bad because you're getting the case

[petapan]

but also here, while i'm compiling

a team that's trying to dominate the gamestate and completely control the direction of the town
pooky is a loud voice that has to go if you want to accomplish that
so that means that scum is in the more active players

why would a lurker scumteam not want to kill pooky lmao

idk dude i'm just theorizing

"i'm just theorizing" doesn't really cut it as an answer, you actively said you were okay with eliminating me based on your supposed idea that i fit the gamestate of a team that would want pooky gone

[petapan]

here's a compilation of every suspicion cakez has voiced toward anyone in this game. i've spoilered it for space, below it i've put a summary of all his reasons for suspecting anyone this game.

Spoiler:

VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

Is there a meaningful difference between this suggestion and just saying we should elim limbait

Can we just lim limbait?

Based on post count, Galron.

wut?

this is scum

Hence why I said I think the sabotage for the first event would be to change the Throne Activation from King Powers to a normal Electric Chair of sorts - it would make sense to me because it would be totally mindfucky.

I think the opposite is more likely

I believe due to the fact we must play at least 5 events, scum have increased agency and are able to make meaningful diversionary changes even after the town decision, because otherwise they would not be able to gurantee reaching the 5th event.

Possibly... is there some sort of mandatory effect to force them to sabotage so that it can't end in 4?

VOTE: gamma

Unfortunately my effort to find a gif of Gordon Ramsay gesturing at someone's face and saying "I just dont get it" was unsuccessful

ceph might be scum too

Skitter + infinity team? Maybe?

this is a shitty reaction to 488

I was pumped to see a few pages to read, but still didnt find anything I really wanted to bite into. Sadface.

Pls stop pediting me

yeah ceph is scum

VOTE: cephrir

it feels like he is trying to look like his town game but it's not actually his towngame

i still lean towards gamma being scum here. i think his pooky vote was nonsense, his tilting seemed a little scummy to me, i think several times he has thrown out votes in a weak attempt to distract from himself, and he's just acting strange overall, which makes him a good place for my vote right now as I have 0 other suspects. the fact that he's obviously losing the argument i don't care so much about -- i know that some players are just not as good at 1v1s and being one of those myself i can sympathize. but, i'm not sure i see a sense that he believes in the points he's making, which i do care about.

this stuff just looks SO forced
like I'm having strong gut vibes that Ceph is scum here that I don't usually get

Cakez I was so ready to sheep your Toog read and then you called my post shitty so now I don't trust your reads sorry

You OMGUSed so blatantly it was bad

Gamma, who should I scum read right now?

Cephrir. I know Cakez also just sussed him, but he's clearly trying to bias people against me in an unnatural way.
VOTE: Cephrir
Cakez's last few posts don't feel too bad tbh. As for his question about why I pushed him when I did, I wanted to try to shake down someone who hadn't really been around and he was the best choice when factoring in time since last post and post count.

is there anyone you won't throw a vote at to get attention anywhere but you

Ceph is scummy but this is a good point this is like Gamma's sixth vote shift in two days no hyperbole

i'm not whelmingly convinced gamma is scum but don't have a better place for my vote atm

UNVOTE:

i don't want this phase to go for 100 pages but i'm not ready to end it just yet

Join Ceph wagon

Is this day over yet?

If not, why not?

Scum ass posts

bad form, maybe (i had already unvoted so it wasn't E-1 although the unvote is nice) but i don't see why she does that as scum. a quickhammer, maybe. but, i mean, it's not like she wouldn't do a vote that looks bad as town. you know she's done that.


i kind of think toog is town who is lazy/apathetic for some reason (although it confuses me) which makes cakez trying to call him scum worse

Nah Toog is worse than usual here like someone else said

It's just really fake

I was pumped to see a few pages to read, but still didnt find anything I really wanted to bite into. Sadface.

Pls stop pediting me

yeah ceph is scum

VOTE: cephrir

it feels like he is trying to look like his town game but it's not actually his towngame

Why did 560 in particular give you that impression? Wouldn't it be far easier for him to throw out a couple of contestant or paid actor accusations if he's trying to replicate a contestant game? (I am assuming his contestant game involves proactivity and opinions)

its the AtE stuff like Sadface, I was pumped, etc

and yeah Toog's vote on Prism blows

nobody knows if your feelings are real or not
all we know is what you're posting

sure, but i wasn't making an appeal or trying to convince anyone of anything by making them feel some kind of way, i was just posting

do you think most players just never post emotion words or something, genuinely confused

ofc not
but
it feels to me like you're leaning on it a lot this game I can quote other examples

The scummiest thing about Gamma is the constant vote hopping
No committal to anything

its actually kind of wild people think "dude with 0 thread influence moving his vote around pointlessly = scummy"

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

still doing it... whoever the flavor of the page is ig

What's this?

was pointing out that he continues to spin to scumread literally anyone possible because he's so desperate to get votes on anyone but himself

We can yeet Gamma I don't care it's a useful flip

Also Galron might be scum

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

I don't like this post

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

I don't like this post

why?

Just a tonal waffle

Galron wagon? Don't mind me

VOTE: galron

I don't think he is being coached i think he is just town, for the record
also nothing Galron is posting is making me want to move my vote

Galron's page 57 is looking desperate

My point there was I am constantly mind melding with Ceph and it doesn't make sense for him to be scum with that in mind

wait where did this happen, i thought u were scumreading him

a little while ago I posted about it, I changed my read

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

I could sheep these
Dunn feels extremely underwhelming
And I didn't like Uly's response to being accused

Galron > Gamma scum likeliness

Your unwillingness to tell me why I'm scum is disappointing.

i feel like I already talked about it but you feel really fake all around

i really hate writing cases and literally only one time ever have I written one and people listened to me so I'll pass

You can't even be arsed to make a case. Why not?

it will be bad I guarantee it
but that doesn't make my read illegitimate
also Cabd has made it obvious to me that repeated requests for a case are probably a scumtell

You’re HIGH if you don’t think SOMETHING hinky is going on with Galron. The timing of his vote on me makes ZERO sense.

this is a pretty ridiculous point considering Gamma and his vote wonkiness w Galron

Rain check on

Cakez

for the chair?

nope unacceptable

Galron looks bad but my worry is that scum are bamboozling us and it's just a red herring

Galron looks bad but my worry is that scum are bamboozling us and it's just a red herring

Cakez

, what made you think he was a red herring and do you still believe so?

because it's a big balls big reward play
galron was already widely suspected - this sabotage could easily be the tipping point to get us to yeet them


atm I'm willing to vote Peta, Dunn, Infinity

Gamma, I'm curious why you townread me. I feel that I've actively given you reasons to not trust me or for you to believe that I am taking you in poor faith.

It’s honestly similar logic to my Ydrasse TR. Your scumgame is kinda flat, and I feel like you’ve actually been pretty engaged.
When I read people, if I have a tell I consider reliable, I will utilize that tell at the expense of all others basically. So despite there being points where you could have been seen as not interacting honestly with me, I’m checking that against the fact that your WIM this game feels honest.

What's the reliable tell with

Ydra

?

For Ydra, it’s just like, her tone feels way off when she’s faking things as scum. I thought it’d be harder to catch because she’s said she’s evolved and that’s true to an extent but PYP was proof that the tell hasn’t been completely burned. I was duped into thinking it was PP for a time in 5p but I eventually just couldn’t write off how Bee had been playing and the fact she was alive as claimed ascetic cop.

oh this also feels sheepable

I don't want to deal w Galron right now

It seems you would find yourself compelled to deal with me. Is peta's approach to me genuine?

no idea
also apparently you're gone now anyways

atm I'm willing to vote Peta, Dunn, Infinity

why peta

I TR other people more and he fits into a scumteam that sabotaged that event

also I vaguely feel Peta is trying to put me off by TRing me for not immediately diving on him

oh yeah Toog could be scum too

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

I also think he is scum

I don't believe that Dunn believes this

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

uh i strongly disagree with u

Elaborate? His early ISO just from skim had a ton of landmines. My readrate on Cakez is pretty decent as well. He spent a lot of time being in that mode of 'ugh need to catch up' where he makes idle comments while not really interfering with what's going on.

i'm like that regardless of alignment these days sadly

Spare

whatever I'm fine with this

Haven't read but can we spare and move on please

on reread this was scummy

why

I think Dunn's way of defense bodes well for him being town

Yes there's something fucky going with this game and I don't want you to sit here and conclude I'm only trying to save Galron from a red flip

mmmm don't like this

i'm not sure if that last post is addressed to me or ulyana

~
also iforgot to say this earlier but i'm kinda losing my earlier townread of infinity

infinity just seems so absent and uninfluential it's really weird and makes me think they are scum too

UNVOTE:

Not sure where I'm placing this quite yet. Gut would say on Saber or SirCakez. The former seems controversial and the latter I don't wanna have another game where me and Skitter are just in disagreement but happen to be the same alignment. I was a bit taken aback but her strong words but I'm starting to think that's how she is? I'm more familiar with her towngame but don't have data on her scumgame basically.

i am feeling you don't actually believe I am scum here
which is not good vibe
and this is also kind of buddying Skitter
maybe i was just wrong about Galron WIFOM and it's straightforward

Anyway it looks like general consensus is on Toog being in the duel, who else should we put in?

lmao says who? what consensus?

VOTE: gypyx the rare scummy inconsistency imo

here's a reason to vote infinity
she pops in just to drop a vote on Gypyx who randomly showed up in the last few pages and made a mistake
feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp

here I have like 4 pages here but I know I'm going to end up here
VOTE: unwnd

feels like their entrance to this game was in really bad faith and it just makes way too much sense as scum trying to salvage the bad Galron slot

it's not just you specifically

What team do you see peta as a part of, and why does that team have extra incentive to kill Pooky?

a team that's trying to dominate the gamestate and completely control the direction of the town
pooky is a loud voice that has to go if you want to accomplish that
so that means that scum is in the more active players

infinity just seems so absent and uninfluential it's really weird and makes me think they are scum too

Thats kinda just how she plays ?

since when? i remember Inf being a really influential player in past games

The two-ended admission of bussing is very on the nose.

what does this mean?

I will happily duel with Unwnd
FYI
but also Unwnd and Dunn dueling would be hype
I like Saber's logic for Unwnd scum - Unwnd's read on her seems faked

here's a reason to vote infinity
she pops in just to drop a vote on Gypyx who randomly showed up in the last few pages and made a mistake
feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp

How are you reading gypyx?

more likely town I think based on what I think scum are doing

You know what? Spiteful vote.

VOTE: unwnd

Hurry this shit up. Then whatever the outcome may be once you see that I'm a contestant rethink the gamestate because one of you is not being charitable. Someone asked me earlier 'what about the people who voted your slot galron' and my answer back then no longer applies. I refuse to believe a town of Skitter/Peta/Ydra/Cakez can't see that I'm not the right choice. One or even two in that group is not playing for the green team.

this is LAMISTy scum tactic
a lot of "woe is me" bs

so here is

a list of everyone cakez has scumread this game, and his reasons for doing so:

Prism:

acting "unnatural"

Toogeloo:

"worse than usual", "just really fake". mostly just calls his posts bad. "vote on Prism blows", "could be scum"

Cephrir:

"trying to look like his town game but it's not actually his towngame", looks "forced", "AtE stuff like Sadface, I was pumped, etc", "leaning on [emotion words] a lot this game"

Dwlee99:

bad reaction to a fos from skitter, "OMGUSed so blatantly"

Gamma Emerald:

vote shifted a lot, "no committal to anything", was reluctant to vote galron but didn't like the timing of galron's vote on him

Galron:

didn't like 1120 because it was "a tonal waffle" (wtf??), posting on page 57 is "desperate", "feel

really fake", asked why cakez hasn't made a case on him, "looks bad" from the sabotage but could be "a red herring"

unwnd

(separated for ease of reference): "i am feeling you don't actually believe I am scum here", "kind of buddying Skitter", "entrance to this game was in really bad faith", selfvote is "LAMISTy scum tactic" and "a lot of "woe is me" bs"

Dunnstral:

"feels extremely underwhelming", doesn't believe that Dunn believes he's scum (because...?)

ulyana:

didn't like her "response to being accused"

petapan:

"I TR other people more", "fits into a scumteam that sabotaged that event", "I vaguely feel Peta is trying to put me off by TRing me for not immediately diving on him", pooky was a "loud voice" and needed to go so i could "dominate the gamestate" (again, this is terrible because it makes absolutely no sense, an inactive team would be just as motivated to remove pooky)

Infinity:

"absent and uninfluential", voted gypyx for making a mistake, "feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp" (this one is especially ba. who does this? does cakez really think infinity plays scum by "just looking to drop a vote somewhere"?)

---

none of this is...actual scummy stuff?? there's so much just pointing at posts and going "thing bad" and then nothing else. i don't hate lack of reasoning, i don't hate gutreads - this is something other than that. there's no

depth of thought

.

this isn't scumhunting or pushing people, it's all shade. he's put out suspicion on a

ton

of people, for very weak reasoning. i'd call it surface level thinking, but honestly i don't think he comes close enough to the surface to make a ripple here. so much of it is barely even anything that's scummy and a lot of the time he's just pointing at posts and calling them bad without explaining how it makes someone actually scum

and he's going to fall back on "this is just how i play" but it's absolutely not true. as town he can make statements like this, where he just takes a post and goes "thing bad", but he's able to put together actual depth and have real reasoning for why it makes someone scum, when there's absolutely none of that here. it's vague suspicion on as many people as possible.

cakez iis not concerned with finding scum, he is simply pushing every target there is

[petapan]

I slot peta up where Dwlee/Gypyx are if Cakez is scum. Doubt this is a masterclass bussing but I do know Peta loves to bus.

at least wait until the guy i'm casing flips red before you suggest i could be bussing

(also "loves to bus" is wildly inaccurate but this is not the time or place to argue that)

[petapan]

Peta was one of the louder voices about Gamma

fwiw this is not true, i pushed him when his response to me trying to question him was to shut down and not play ball because either he was scum who was using it to avoid answering or town who refused to be remotely cooperative and i wanted none of that

when he stopped being so worked up and started saying things again i backed off and was indecisive but was convinced he wasn't the best flip and actively worked to try to find a counterwagon. take that as you will but i don't want it being said i was a loud voice pushing him, because i wasn't

anyway i read the wall you're probably town, if i tilted a town player slot twice with relentless tunneling, sorry

[petapan]

i feel bad but...unwnd still isn't towntelling imo

also i'm not super convinced about the cakez case but at this point i'm ok sheeping it. kinda done with this phase tbh

his walls as scum are a lot more empty

[petapan]

i don't care about the sabotage because i think at this point in the game with the way gamma is posting he's playing out of his skull if scum

[petapan]

I don't think we should assume the scum team sabotaged after the target was chosen, I think it was selected before that. So if gamma is town I don't think the sabotage actually says anything about galron's alignment. Also, I'll do this for Peta
VOTE: Cakez
This vote is sort of completely hypocritical cause the reasons Peta are suggesting here are also just how I've been playing so I'm not sure what the difference is to him but sure

you're not cakez and this is specifically in relation to how i see him interacting in the game

[petapan]

i feel bad but...unwnd still isn't towntelling imo

also i'm not super convinced about the cakez case but at this point i'm ok sheeping it. kinda done with this phase tbh

his walls as scum are a lot more empty

unwnd? that wall felt pretty empty to me tbh

i don't agree. i was wrong on him once because he tends to ramble as town and i had no idea what to think. but he's making points and they're fine and make sense it's not all obfuscation and inconclusiveness

[petapan]

@peta wrt your sircakez case:

cakez is quite clearly not invested in the game, and i think that most of your issues with the depth of his thoughts functionally stem from that.
the issue i'm having with the conclusion that he's scum because of it is that we have gypyx + toog + dwlee to a similar extent playing in a very similar way, and i don't think they're all scum.

cakez' is uninvested and shallow, yeah. i'm not coninvced that's inherently scum-indicative

tonally/emotionally i think he's being very honest about his thoughts and feelings and approach to the game, and i still like his mortal kombat thing from last night
i don't think he's scum and i don't think i can vote him here

i don't care if he's uninvested he's capable of stringing togethere coherent reasoning and what he's shading people for is just scummy

[petapan]

anyway i am not going to be living in thread tonight so i'll catch up in the morning

[petapan]

I'm looking at Cakez' games and he really is just very 'this sucks' even as town.

I'm starting to think it's not a tell. I do however still have problems with certain progressions that need to be ironed out

again my point is not that he is making those type of arguments

i have seen him say stuff like that as town and it was in fact why i was letting him ride for so long

but in checking whether him wanting to 1v1 you was AI, i decided to actually look at his games

while he posts like that as town there is the capacity for actual developed reasoning behind that. there's an actual attempt to find scummy things, based on what people have said. he can piece together a coherent thought. as scum he just shades shit endlessly.

what he has been doing here is blatantly shading people for horseshit reasons and not having any depth behind it.

i presented it without referencing meta because i felt it would be an easier presentation, even though i knew this was going to be the fallback

[petapan]

i feel bad but...unwnd still isn't towntelling imo

also i'm not super convinced about the cakez case but at this point i'm ok sheeping it. kinda done with this phase tbh

this gives me MAJOR ick
literally no WIM at all

this

is

literally

not a fucking scumtell

this is not something town is lasering in on as suspect especially as she is far from the only one to express that sentiment