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[HockeyFan]

I cc miller(excuse to fearvote Koba). Also @cows, Galron hard town, dont vote there

VOTE: Koba

[HockeyFan]

Your strike system is bs! Cows, you're voting town rn btw, and if you're voting mafia, you're bussing so just dont bus and vote koba

[HockeyFan]

Cows, you arent gonna get your desired MC on galron unfort! so just give yourself like 5 strikes! But like is it too early to say cows/galron not paired here?

[HockeyFan]

Cows, you arent gonna get your desired MC on galron unfort! so just give yourself like 5 strikes! But like is it too early to say cows/galron not paired here?

5 strikes at sushi's

why would it be? i already voiced a read of mine and i don't think the take is that terrible
still would like you to explain it anyways

Explain in Simpler terms

VOTE: toxictaipan

VOTE: STD

[HockeyFan]

why would you vote me instead of asking me

? Do u want my vote on u to be validated? lol. But sure, go ahead and explain

Explain in Simpler terms

Cows, you arent gonna get your desired MC on galron unfort! so just give yourself like 5 strikes! But like is it too early to say cows/galron not paired here?

why would it be too early? i already voiced that you and galron weren't paired earlier in thread (because i think a much more reasonable reaction from scum!you would be to eventually give in and leave my galron vote alone) and i don't think the take is that terrible
would like you to explain the anti-pairing a bit more

1. Where did you voice i wasnt paired with galron
2. i think u arnet paired cuz of your first page of egging ppl on to vote Galron, but then like randomly unvoting them in 23. I do not think this comes from scum buddies

[HockeyFan]

I think my vote is probably a good one.

lol, idgaf about anything koba/emblem has said(althgouh tbh it probs does have some merit towards their alignment), Galron is town. If people want me to explain my STD vote, its that Std's vote on toxic felt a bit oppurstunic and I felt like STD wanted to add more fuel to the fire with that vote, sooo I thought he was scum for it

[HockeyFan]

Ok after ISOing Koba/toxic/Ember

Koba-- Koba's playstyle/personallity to like be agressive towards ppl and start long tunnels for no reason is NAI in general, but im getting similar vibes from the scum game koba linked in which he was scum soo im tempted to put this towards a slight SL based off meta but not sure
Ember- They have had 4 posts so not really sure how to read them. Them taking toxic's side in this over "having similar thoughts" seems a bit eh, could be scum pocketing toxic the town? Eh, probs another slight SL

Toxic- This is only one im confident in putting as town, They had no reason to make 27 as scum imo

[HockeyFan]

1. Where did you voice i wasnt paired with galron
2. i think u arnet paired cuz of your first page of egging ppl on to vote Galron, but then like randomly unvoting them in 23. I do not think this comes from scum buddies

14, and thanks
but it wasn't random though, i think the fact that nobody really budged or even ignored me meant that there's probably gonna be no dice if i continued it further
which yeah, does bother me because i attempted to solve that exact problem with the funny strike system

I would just not get ignored?

[HockeyFan]

I think my vote is probably a good one.

lol, idgaf about anything koba/emblem has said(althgouh tbh it probs does have some merit towards their alignment), Galron is town. If people want me to explain my STD vote, its that Std's vote on toxic felt a bit oppurstunic and I felt like STD wanted to add more fuel to the fire with that vote, sooo I thought he was scum for it

Ok after ISOing Koba/toxic/Ember

Koba-- Koba's playstyle/personallity to like be agressive towards ppl and start long tunnels for no reason is NAI in general, but im getting similar vibes from the scum game koba linked in which he was scum soo im tempted to put this towards a slight SL based off meta but not sure
Ember- They have had 4 posts so not really sure how to read them. Them taking toxic's side in this over "having similar thoughts" seems a bit eh, could be scum pocketing toxic the town? Eh, probs another slight SL

Toxic- This is only one im confident in putting as town, They had no reason to make 27 as scum imo

I guess I need to ask why I'm town, when you use Ember's lack of posting as a reason for not being able to read them,

Tbh, I feel like scum!you would at least some opinion on one of Koba/toxic and maybe pocket one of them, but u not doing that and just outright saying "I like my vote where it is" seems town

hockey - what specifically reminds you of my scumgame?
Also keep in mind i tries extra extra hard bc radiantcowbells was in that game so

Having long-winded "arguments" about for the most part- petty stuff(im referring to you v cyclone in the MU game)

[HockeyFan]

Toxic- This is only one im confident in putting as town, They had no reason to make 27 as scum imo

i sharply disagree with the reason used

Cows bad smh. Whats your read on toxic

[HockeyFan]

Hockey saw me petty fight as town too so dunno why they lying tbh think emoji

Yes, u did argue with someone in the game where you were town, but from what i recall, not *as* much as the 2nd game

[HockeyFan]

hi galron, std - am back

To be perfectly honest, I'm not 100% tracking with what you're getting at in 37.

do you have a preferred way of solving? the way you do it seems pretty reminiscent of older games i've read (which ofc checks out) but i don't know where exactly the pushing is taking you rn
(i think this would've been significantly more useful a couple of hours ago since you've made yourself clear + there's a lot more information i need to chew on but that was what i was thinking at the time)

Cows bad smh. Whats your read on toxic

i don't think their 28 is alignment indicative
clear upper-half in reads, there's a lot of shared sentiment among the ahem, older players (metabad, opening posts boring compared to mine!) which they started first
the piggybacking by those people, combined with my current reads makes me feel like they do belong there
otherwise they'd be scumleaning, i find their opening posts to be really awkward

28 is certainly AI in some sense no? Scum!toxic did not have to say that lol. Scum care alot more about thier self-image

[HockeyFan]

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

[HockeyFan]

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

Wait, am I conftown?

When did I ever say you were conf town? if you want to take a TR as you being conf town then ok ig? You "suspecting" me was saying I was partners with Ember, which tbh, I couldnt care less cuz we both think Ember is mafia. Intrested to hear why you think we are paired tho

[HockeyFan]

28 is certainly AI in some sense no? Scum!toxic did not have to say that lol. Scum care alot more about thier self-image

i can think of as many scenarios for scum!toxic to make it (easiest one would be "first push in the game will get it going in my direction") as i can for town!toxic so using it doesn't feel right. i think above doesn't make sense without hindsight

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

i don't like it either lul which is why i'm starting to look elsewhere
and ember?

wdym "and ember?". Also re your first point, im talking about that specific push. Did Toxic have to push Koba? No, they didnt.

[HockeyFan]

do you have a preferred way of solving? the way you do it seems pretty reminiscent of older games i've read (which ofc checks out) but i don't know where exactly the pushing is taking you rn
(i think this would've been significantly more useful a couple of hours ago since you've made yourself clear + there's a lot more information i need to chew on but that was what i was thinking at the time)

Not in particular. Since age, experience, and time since last played apparently are the only interesting things about me, let's clear up a little of that. In my total career I can probably count on my two hands the total number of games I've ever played. I don't consider myself an expert, or even good necessarily. I take each game differently based on the situations presented and try new things. I haven't trademarked a style per se. I put feelers out, try to gather reads, and deduce what I can early game based on who bites on what. Later game when we have more content, I can and will dissect into things more.

I think one of the biggest challenges is that being bad at being town (essentially what Dk was trying to say about me I think?) doesn't equal scum every time. In my experience it seems people kind of forget that and just scum lock on small stuff early game.

no hard feelings?

Nah. I just didn't want to get the game stuck on being told I suck the whole time lol. But hey, we got folks talking (well, at least some of them) so there's that.


Does anyone else think Hockey intentionally skipped over me scumspecting him without any real reasoning given to hopefully not draw further attention to it?

thats generally how he reacted to pressure as scum iirc - either omgus or ignore - i'd have to reread, i dont want to misrep hockey here if i'm wrong, but hockey can correct the record himself if i am wrong before i do reread stuff.

@hockey

What am i responding to here? You want me to tell u what i do as scum???

[HockeyFan]

if thats the case, yea then 150 is pretty spot on lol

[HockeyFan]

my laptop deleted this like twice lul

wdym "and ember?". Also re your first point, im talking about that specific push.

Did Toxic have to push Koba? No, they didnt.

your only mention of ember was when they created the wallpost, which you pointed out as a possible pocket attempt
is there more to it now?

hockey!!! both alignments want to do town things like pushing in RVS
this argument forced me to look at toxic's opening posts and i think they're fine now, was focused too hard on the intentional lurking aspect knowing that they don't know anybody in this playerlist
bluntly i think this is just because you won't tell me what else you found from that ISO

1. Nah, mainly just POE + their post dont seem town
2. ok fine it was a bit more than 27, but I STILL think 27 is town+ Another reason I tr'd them is cuz they disengaged on Koba push and were willing to look at other ppl(42, 45,65)

[HockeyFan]

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

Wait, am I conftown?

When did I ever say you were conf town? if you want to take a TR as you being conf town then ok ig? You "suspecting" me was saying I was partners with Ember, which tbh, I couldnt care less cuz we both think Ember is mafia. Intrested to hear why you think we are paired tho

Well. Ever since 96 you've been singing my praises as town. Which, if you have a town read on me, cool. But 146 feels simultaneously like distancing from Ember and trying to pocket me. Also you are agreeing that Ember is scum in words but your vote hasn't moved from Save The Dragons even though you've also casted some shade towards Cows since your vote on Save The Dragons. So to me your words aren't lining up with your actions 100%.

I have my vote on Ember because I feel more strongly right now that she is scum. You'd be my second choice for eliminating based on current feels.

To clarify the 2nd half of 146 was reasoning for cows. As for my vote, well, thats my L lol, but I dont see why its /that/ much of a deal lol

@Galron where does your cows TR come from

VOTE: Ember

[HockeyFan]

Retracting my townread on Toxic for now. You really overplaying it.

My DEEEP expireince tells me, when mafia endangered, they search for shapegoat (me) so i think Ember/Toxic could be maf accused and Hockey/Suchi/Galron are partner diverting attention.

Galron is less likely because actually voted me, while Hockey and Suchi are "oh well enchant sus but not sure" hoping someone else push me.

Lol? I never said you were sus. I havent even said your name yet

[HockeyFan]

hockey, why did you vote ember

nothing has changed from 96 tbh. Also, her agenda against Koba seems meh, not much game-movign content on other players too, and low activity(this is not AI but its worth pointing you)

also, ember, sorry, i will remember to use she/her

[HockeyFan]

I'm not seeing the scum case on Ember.

And DkKoba, even if you're right about her putting work into the personal post but not into a game post, it's super tacky to make that allegation.

Who do you SR then?

[HockeyFan]

StD's probably my only null
hockey i am formally inviting you to ISO him with me later

1. HockeyFan

38 votes me without asking why i'm voting toxictaipan. i feel like town!hockey would be more curious while scum!hockey might be more jumpy.

94 what's opportunistic about a naked vote

96 koba is playing similar to their scumgame but you decide to vote ember later, why ember over koba? you switch to cows+ember sure, but what happened to your read on koba?

1. Lol. I didnt ask you because from past experience/games ive played with u I knew your answer was gonna be similar to "Thats where the wind taken me" and I cant really get much out of that SO i wanted to see your reaction to a silent vote.
2. The fact that it came in the middle of koba/toxic going back and forth
3. Oh, its still there dw, but I want cows more and I think Koba isnt a good d1 vote

@cows, I will ISO STD when i get home

[HockeyFan]

Alright ISO time for STD(for @cows)

If i had to make something out of 16, it would be town-leaning; felt natural

I however, do not like 39 and 49; seemed like an overblown reaction to a single vote on them

124, 127[post] [post]129 is sorta giving akward vibes. It also seems like filler(at least 127 does), 129 just looks like asking ember to give more content to get TR'D. STD could be paired with either Koba/Ember

136 is super ??? had 0 mention of cows's name in his iso until that point

Overall, STD has a high chance of flipping scum imho, dont really like his logs.

[HockeyFan]

Ok after ISOing Koba/toxic/Ember

Koba-- Koba's playstyle/personallity to like be agressive towards ppl and start long tunnels for no reason is NAI in general, but im getting similar vibes from the scum game koba linked in which he was scum soo im tempted to put this towards a slight SL based off meta but not sure
Ember- They have had 4 posts so not really sure how to read them. Them taking toxic's side in this over "having similar thoughts" seems a bit eh, could be scum pocketing toxic the town? Eh, probs another slight SL

Toxic- This is only one im confident in putting as town, They had no reason to make 27 as scum imo

27 was made by DkKoba.

Meant 28

Cows, you arent gonna get your desired MC on galron unfort! so just give yourself like 5 strikes! But like is it too early to say cows/galron not paired here?

Was this an rvs joke? If not, why early on did you have cows and me paired?

The part where i said u and cows arnet paired is not a RVS joke, rest for the most part is. I dont think u 2 are paired cuz of reasons outlined in 48

Hockey, can you ISO me?

Will try to do that sometimes later tonight

VOTE: Cows

[HockeyFan]

Ok after ISOing Koba/toxic/Ember

Koba-- Koba's playstyle/personallity to like be agressive towards ppl and start long tunnels for no reason is NAI in general, but im getting similar vibes from the scum game koba linked in which he was scum soo im tempted to put this towards a slight SL based off meta but not sure
Ember- They have had 4 posts so not really sure how to read them. Them taking toxic's side in this over "having similar thoughts" seems a bit eh, could be scum pocketing toxic the town? Eh, probs another slight SL

Toxic- This is only one im confident in putting as town, They had no reason to make 27 as scum imo

27 was made by DkKoba.

Meant 28

Cows, you arent gonna get your desired MC on galron unfort! so just give yourself like 5 strikes! But like is it too early to say cows/galron not paired here?

Was this an rvs joke? If not, why early on did you have cows and me paired?

The part where i said u and cows arnet paired is not a RVS joke, rest for the most part is. I dont think u 2 are paired cuz of reasons outlined in 48

Hockey, can you ISO me?

Will try to do that sometimes later tonight

VOTE: Cows

[HockeyFan]

@Galron ISO

92 seems towny
106 is a bit Scumleaning imo since it looks like filler
The progression of 117-121 just seems like flexing(as scum) that you are getting TRD by someone who susses u so another SL for this post
181-185 all seems very towny
I don't get your enchant read. U said in 244and 293 that u TR them but then make 294 which just seems like unnecessary shade("not playing for town")
Don't see what you're getting from 307 too btw, seems like a reasonable conclusion a town can make

Overall, I think you're a slight TL but my confidence in the read has gone down

[HockeyFan]

Should we No-Elim today? Because we kinda will be forced to do it anyway (not even number of players), so it could be good to do it when mafia have less chances to snipe potential PRs.

do not

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VOTE: Cows

is it the ISO
would like to talk abt that

No, tbh its just that you're not much producing much content while here and want to see what u have

[HockeyFan]

No, tbh its just that you're not much producing much content while here and want to see what u have

i mean yeah, it isn't timely but i don't think it matters as much as me holding myself up to my own standards

i'm set until the day ends. is there something you want from me other than the things i said i was going to do today?

1. What were u gonna do today

2. I need more opinions on koba/toxic/ember(thier intreactions)

3. Whats your read on Enchant

[HockeyFan]

Response to 338 and 339

I said you didn't have much content on players because tbh that's what I saw, you were interacting a lot with koba/ had a vocal read on the interactions between koba/me/toxic. I had no opinions on the rest of your reads because a. They were like (for the most part) one liners, and I missed some of them. But nonetheless, you had a stronger read on Koba.

About the Galron filler thing, most of the time, I do think asking someone why they voted for someone is considered filler, sure it was E-2, but I don't see why Galron would even care. Saying I’ve only done 2 things is also ingenuine btw. I’ve Tr’d Toxic, had a Slight SL on STD after isoing them, had a TR on galron(also after isoing them). I’ve also provided /some/ opinions on the whole koba thing, so that's super ingenuine

Nice shade @ cows(344)

Also; is NKA useful on MS?

[HockeyFan]

Response to 338 and 339

[snip] -CLSR
Nice shade @ cows(344)

Also; is NKA useful on MS?

why are you interested in ember's one-liners and not mine? you kinda deserve the shade-that-isn't-really-shade-because-it's-my-honest-feelings-on-you

i feel like NKA would be useful after this dayphase and while i could do it right now it feels less like conjecture and more like taking shots in the pitch dark
i'll do it anyways
(tomorrow)

cuz im used to your one liners being full of random shit . i havent actually ISOD u properly but i selected a few of your posts and they seemed scummy to me(more like your vibe in general but shh)

My thoughts havent changd muhc on gamestate tbh, I still want more from Enchant

[HockeyFan]

Oh then I didnt understand 363. can u re-explain what u meant

[HockeyFan]

Oh then I didnt understand 363. can u re-explain what u meant

was thinking about the lack of input on 336 but you may not have caught it i think

Oh, well, i thought your answers were satisfactory enough(was mainly looking for an answer for point 2)

[HockeyFan]

@Toxic what your current reads?

Also I just saw 307; Enchant why did u think it was a good idea to No lim on odd numbers? I know its supposed to be beneficial on odd numbers or smth, but why did u want to No lim

[HockeyFan]

bah