Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Jada]

I am likely going to sheep LLD unless something comes up when I read.

[Jada]

I'm at the bottom of page 20.

High town

Jada
Towelie

Town

Milk & Mocha
Gamma Emerald
Critter
SSBM

Null

Dunnstral
Mushanga
Wisdom

Scummy

StrangeMatter

[Jada]

Subject: Large Normal 233 | Mafia PT

Going to have to look up babysitter. Hello everyone

looked at a random scum PT from kyouko, this reinforces my read that she wouldn't vote an outed IC as scum (again, idc for wifom logic)

I'm pausing here because this is alarming.

Why are you searching random threads to defend kyouko when they are under virtually no pressure? Also, what makes you think a random PT search would have shown anything useful? This doesn't even relate to the point you're making?

[Jada]

I'm halfway through.

Move MM and Gamma up to High Town.

[Jada]

It's a bit of PoE and a bit of not seeing anything townish.

[Jada]

I think there's been a bit of a miscommunication here. Can you explain it better or point to what you think is scummy, and then explain it?

Your association with flipped scum is not good. In 771, VFT has a very distancy reads list. You don't show much scumhunting in your ISO. I have a pretty solid townblock I would like to test right now, unless my readthrough changes things.

[Jada]

Jada, when you catch up, I have a hypothetical scenario that I think is the only way I'm gonna get to know your play fast enough to go into Day 3 feeling like I can play at a useful level. (Catchup posting is garbage for learning how people play, IMO.)

Let's say you get a magical dayvig shot at the time you catch up to this post. The catch is, you have to shoot in your townreads. Null or lower is off limits. Somehow you cannot lie to escape the conundrum -- it's magic, after all.

Who do you take down? Who's your deep wolf in this scenario?



Again, this is more to give me a feel for you, the player on the far side, than it is to get an actual read on your alignment. There's no right answer, there's no gotcha, I don't have enough brain power to set up one of those right now.

Right now, I would say Critter. That's not because of him being scum but him being so far off base that he'd be a threat to have around at end game. I wouldn't hero shot here with such a strong townblock.

[Jada]

Go on. Who is scum in my townblock?

[Jada]

I don't get 2499 if you aren't saying there's scum in my townreads.

[Jada]

Are you expecting me to know what your townblock is?

Yes. I just posted my reads less than two pages ago.

[Jada]

What did you mean?

[Jada]

Why do you think I haven't questioned it?

[Jada]

Move Mush into my townreads. Liked her interaction with Critter.

If I had a compulsive day vig in my TRs, I'd shoot SSBM for to information or bears for policy. Why do you ask?

[Jada]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Jada]

I propose massclaim

Also SSBM I told you so

Why would we massclaim here when we're this far ahead?

[Jada]

I'm not opposed to it if my townblock agrees, but I wouldn't here.

Maybe a PR VT massclaim.

[Jada]

VT

[Jada]

What do you think of my reads?

[Jada]

If Gamma wants it.

[Jada]

I don't fully trust you.

[Jada]

High town

Jada - Me
Towelie - Conflict with flipped scum, spewed in VFT readwall
M and M - Claim comes from town
Gamma - Ditto

Town

Critter - Flipped wrong town
SSBM - Conflict with others is very tonally town

Null

Dunnstral - Flipped lurky scum
Mushanga - Overly hostile, might be shopping
Wisdom - BoP, possibly egging math

Scummy

StrangeMatter - Low ISO, distance in VFT wall, awkward voting patterns

[Jada]

M and M - Claim comes from town

which claim? that jester thing?

-b

That whole nightmare. There was other things too I think. I just wrote from memory. It may be days before I reach my notes.

[Jada]

SM, what are your reads?

I asked you to comment on mine and you never replied.

[Jada]

I feel like VFT was buddying critter.

[Jada]

Yeah, I suppose it's fine as long as you explain it eventually.

Whose response exactly are you waiting for?

That would be telling. Maybe it’s yours, right now, and I’m just playing out the game I’ve set.

Maybe it’s no one’s and I’ve actually lied in order to force this sort of engagement, and I’ll play it off like I had a plan all along when I get something worth picking at.

And maybe I’m watching the players outside of the two 1v1s to see which they gravitate to weighing in on, making hidden judgement calls on that basis, and building a map of where to hit.

Or none of the above. Again, you do not know. That’s the point.

I work best in the midst of chaos. A side effect of being a Discordian, maybe. Chaos has arrived, tis the season of Aftermath. Now the work begins, and I can’t very well do my best if I clear everything up for you, now can I?

Let it be noted I hate this. I have been working extremely hard to not hyperpost and not be in conflict immediately and you doing manipulative stuff (your words) makes me really wonder what Townie mindset there is for this. Has anyone played with her before to speak to this?

This in particular suggests Mush town.

[Jada]

I don't necessarily disagree with the read but I don't see how flipped town's opinion here has bearing on that

-b

It's not Critter's opinion

alone

. His opinion doesn't even suggest Mush town. It's how VFT promoted that post, which I think was to create an explosive conflict there. Critter is vulnerable to those.

[Jada]

Its either mm or sm
The former softclaimed some PR and the latter VT
So the question is whether we think the last scum is goon

Why did your reads change?

Fuck. I should not play when half asleep.

[Jada]

Yeah. I wanted an alt to see something in particular, so I made Tamora's Angel. That bugs out for dead PTs so I had to retire it. I made this one for the same purpose and largely blew it.

I'm going to wait awhile before testing again.

[Jada]

Mental note SM vanished when asked about reads

[Jada]

Ok so I’m just not allowed to type, especially on a phone. That’s some really bad faith.

When can you give reads? I am phone posting.

[Jada]

Mental note SM vanished when asked about reads

Oh, this is my chance to check against someone else’s brain!

So, when ISOing SM, do you see a pattern in their posts or is it just me? I don’t want to bias you too much in case it’s an illusion but it’s something about the flow of almost every single interaction.

I don't see giving townreads but I am bad with patterns.

[Jada]

Vote Count 1-13

A man made the news recently for "stealing" mountain dew, for which he faces several years as a felony, despite thinking he'd overpaid in a rush.

Milk & Mocha (4): Dunnstral, Venus Fly Trap, Lady Lamdadelta, Towelie
E. M. M. I. (3): ssbm_Kyouko, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom
ssbm_Kyouko (1): Critter
Dunnstral (1): Milk & Mocha
Gamma Emerald (1): StrangeMatter
Critter (1): MUSHSHAGANA

Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, E. M. M. I.

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-02 20:02:57)

MM town

[Jada]

There's not really much counterwagons to work with. MM being town is a common sense conclusion. It's moonlogic possible they're scum but no.

[Jada]

Hm.



Baja Blast. PR. I'm going to go further and claim: Novice X-Shot Vig. How many shots is for you to find out. I have used none.

I'm claiming because I will be shooting tonight, but I'm aware I haven't been playing with a full deck, mentally -- so I want to have some guidance. Unfortunately, I trust no one who isn't Gamma to suggest shot guidance.'

Do with that as you will.

While I highly doubt Mush is scum, this claim doesn't sit right with me. It should sort itself out though.

[Jada]

based on these I think it is just M&M here
scum probably wanted to get at least one misyeet off before they got found out, so their hopes were riding on the wisdom target idea being bought into
if M&M isn't the last scum and we go into night phase I'd probably say kyouko should get shot just because she also tried to put suspicion on someone that wasn't dunnstral via hider guilty

Disagree. If Dunn was guiltied, there's no reason to wagon one of their own.

[Jada]

I did the VCA for day 1. No counterwagons makes it hard.

[Jada]

Wisdom is likely town based on the last page.

[Jada]

I still think that mush is scum.

[Jada]

If not SM.

[Jada]

This is a mini theme, not a mini normal. Vig =/= town

I'm hunting by play.

[Jada]

Second, a shot on an unexpected target =/= vig presence.

It's moonlogic but given our lead, I'd pursue reads over mechanics

[Jada]

Scum vigs were allowed in mini normals in 2013. I was in the game that changed that rule years ago.

[Jada]

I get full well that my position is moonlogic on Mush so I prefer SM today.

I don't SR bears.

[Jada]

sm is not happening today because hes confirmed vanilla
Your choice is mm or me

I'm going to be stubborn and abstain. No one needs me, so I can make a point.

[Jada]

Do you think last scum is goon

Possibly. Don't care for mech talk either way.

The assumption the last scum is a PR is shit. Doubly so since vigs are negative utility.

[Jada]

Answer me this: If Mush is town, how is this a theme game?

[Jada]

I'm not going to hold up the game, but I have my position.

VOTE: SM

[Jada]

Answer me this: If Mush is town, how is this a theme game?

?

This game should be in the normal queue and not the theme queue if everyone is #trueclaiming as town.

[Jada]

Disagree but checking the list parity cop for vanilla might actually not be whitelisted so meh.

[Jada]

I see I'm likely outvoted anyway so I won't get in the way. I just feel this is a bad idea based on bad assumptions. I could be wrong though.

[Jada]

But they only had a 2shot roleblocker
Is that enough against all the town power

Neighbor weak
Doc weak
Parity weak
Vig weak to neg utility

Mush might not even be town

[Jada]

It was literally said IN QUEUE

And it shouldn’t be in mini normals because it does have flavor snd mini normals are bland as fuck

You expect me to read the queue when subbing in?

Look just do your thing. I'm not getting in the way but I think MM and Wisdom are both town.

[Jada]

I wish we'd just eliminate SM and win the game already.

None of this setup spec nonsense.

[Jada]

This is why you trouble me titus

You know better than this

I know to follow setup spec? Why? I'd rather follow by play.

If you want me to change my mind, then look at the play, not the setup spec.

I'm open to being wrong here but I know better than to outguess the mod.

[Jada]

Dunnstral didn't have to use his roleblock on N1 on anyone.

Also there's no reason Gamma gets nightkilled if we're T/T here because who is gamma even going to catch?

It's more likely Dunn missed n1 than no block.