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It is indeed very sad :(

VOTE: dats

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Hi all!

@catboi i am vla fridays and saturdays!

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UNVOTE:

Townpings on house, RTP

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Oh and baltar too

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If i had to guess, no, but its not something i'm particularly confident in, or a read i'd give much weight to

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VOTE: Something_Smart

don't like that first post

Why not?

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reformed toxic player is town for putting me on y-2 then declaring that y-2 6 seconds later. "datisi, what the fuck are talking--?" listen. scum in that position either votes me in order to hope to silently push the wagon through early and then go "oopsie i didn't know what the votes were" or they vote me in order to appear Townie and Sorting and also Caring about Appearances. if it were the first case, a y-2 warning wouldn't have come at all. if it were the second, a y-2 warning would've been included with the vote. 6 seconds is not enough to go back, recount the votes, realize it is y-2, decide to post 15. so they must've already been aware of the fact at the time of posting 14.

I mean i think scum who is hoping for that lolhammer might still say its e2 in the hopes that they'd get a little cred for it

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I feel like its hard to play stupid to begin with given that he was like post 20 and there's obviously like 4 votes on u prior

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VOTE: outworlder

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@outworlder ... what do u think of the speedwagon on dats and/or the people involved in it?

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thanks outworlder ... i sometimes find it odd when there's Something Happening in RVS (i.e. like dats' speedwagon), but someone chooses to comment on something else entirely and ignore the main issue at hand (i.e you voting ss)

but your answer is decent enuf for p3

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@iv why are you voting dats

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andres is probably town

and i think that some scum might take the oppurtunity to quickhammer if they had it tbh, i can think of at least 2 people who would do it in this pl (one was already onwagon tbf but still)

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i'm actually thinking my townpings on rtp were hasty and would like to retract them for now
(that's not to say i think they're scum, but i don't want to townlean them rn either)

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i mean you're one of the people i'm thinking of who'd quickhammer >.>

pedit yeah

also do i know who rtp is ?
(i think i do but just checking)

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@iv why are you voting dats

pedit same except it hink it's scum-indicative

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i think this is a silly argument and probably tvt
if either is scum here i'd say house but i don't particularly think he is

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i think outworlder is prob town, i just want to say

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i get nice vibes from 64, 68 and the last line of 100

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ok

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Okay, I'm caught up and Frogsterking's post stuck out the most for me. It feels a lot like "I made a helpful town thing, look how townie I am!". If he posts the survey and it is legit helpful, then consider this retracted, but until then it's blatantly grabbing for trust.
VOTE: Frogsterking

fwiw it read to me like he needed to look at his notes from the last time he ran the survey, so he was just sharing something he was planning to do when he got around to it, i don't really have an issue with his survey just yet

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fwiw i also don't really have an issue with laplacian's post here either

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RTP with your avi you simultaneously make me think you're pooky and ducky and I hate this feeling

i was thinking this too !!!

i'm probably going to vote iv when we get another vc

i feel like ari / dats is probably not svs

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i'm not sure if t/t or t/s, but i don't think it's s/s

if it's t/s i think dats is t and ari is s

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ari lowkey feels like she's buddying u

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i don't know, i'm saying that i don't think she would be doing that if she were scum *with you*. any more detailed determination abt the configurations of your alignments i don't have yet

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eh perhaps i should say: i don't think this is what s/s buddying/flirting looks like
before anybody asks me why: i don't know, it doesn't feel ~symmetrical~ that way somehow to me

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outworlder is town

i am on the fence abt iv

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with the emojiis and everything i keep thinking ur ari except ur obviously not >.>

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catboi i like the bunny pics :)

the claim from a50 is nai

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other incarnations use :3, no? (you don't have to answer that, but i'm just checking that you're who i think you are ?)

in what way is the bunny concerned abt me

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ok and what is the eyebrow exuding ~concern~ about?

(i can't believe that is a sentence i actually wrote out >.>)

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>.>

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house why do i feel like you're wk'ing me ?

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i am on the fence abt iv

what is making you be on the fence as opposed to a scumread?

I can see a universe where town-him is busy irl and that's causing the change in posting style

If i had to pick one, he's probably scummy, but i'm not sure

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Oh wow that is a Survey

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Eh frog is probably town

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Eh frog is probably town

why

Dont think scum cares that much abt this survey thing, i think he actually thinks it will be a helpful and useful way to sort the game

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Eh frog is probably town

Do you think VP Baltar and I are t v t?

If you had an argument before this i dont remember it, so i dont have a strong feeling on ur alignments as viewed through this pairing, if that makes sense

Remind me to reread the past couple of pages when i'm at a computer and i'll be able to give you a better answer

Fwiw independantly i think you're townie, vp is nullscum-pinging me but i wouldnt call him scum

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Ok really frog is town theyre just pushing silly strategy which isnt scummy just ambitious :3

This ^

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VOTE: iv

Plz note this is e2, if it goes higher soonish i will probably unvote to prevent a fast day

I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

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I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

spicy, tell me more?

R.e. house: i dont like feeling wk'd, i dont understand why he dislikes frog, and i dont understand his readshift on you

Pedit ok one sec i need to like read and process fhat

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Ok i'm not quite up to voting house, but i do wonder if he is taking advantage of a you/vp tvt

I wouldnt really call vp a vi, tbh, but he is being somewhat aggressive, but i wouldnt really call that scum-indicative for him

Vp i sort of felt had a Strong Opinion on the survey and the efficacy of it, which prompted his fight with u, but i'm not sure house has opinions nearly as strong so much as popping in at the edge of the fight to throw some shade

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White knighted - i.e. didnt like he was popping in my bickering with ari to try to get ari off my back

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Agreed with the first paragraph

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Would like to hear ur reasoning to tr house (tom of course)
Night dats!

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When have i seen u play?

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@house I dont believe i've played with u on this acct. I could be wrong, but nothings coming to mind rn. If i've played with u on an alt, it isnt reasonable to expect me to recognize your playstyle when as far as i know i dont think i know of playing with ur alts either

And ari fair enuf, but i dislike the other things as well

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I'm somewhat suspicious of house, maybe vp but idk how to read him too

spicy, tell me more?

R.e. house: i dont like feeling wk'd, i dont understand why he dislikes frog, and i dont understand his readshift on you

Pedit ok one sec i need to like read and process fhat

Ok i'm not quite up to voting house, but i do wonder if he is taking advantage of a you/vp tvt

I wouldnt really call vp a vi, tbh, but he is being somewhat aggressive, but i wouldnt really call that scum-indicative for him

Vp i sort of felt had a Strong Opinion on the survey and the efficacy of it, which prompted his fight with u, but i'm not sure house has opinions nearly as strong so much as popping in at the edge of the fight to throw some shade

@ari

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@house I dont believe i've played with u on this acct.

It appears you were in Mini 2231 together. (was just metaing you and came across that)

Link: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=87397

ah fair enuf, i forgot he was in that one ... i believe he was scum, got overwhelmed by the pace of the game, and repped out with like 10 posts iirc

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Skitter...I thought you had a readlist post, but I must have been daydreaming.

What are your thoughts on A50?

Also, how are you feeling about your play so far in the game? Is this where you'd expect to be at in D1 reads right now?

a50 - nullscum pings but not something i would put super much weight in rn

wrt my reads so far: i feel p good with the quality/quantity of my reads at this stage of the game, yes
wrt what i think you're actually asking: i think i've been less ~involved~ and ~taking over the thread~ and ~pushing things along~ than usual, but i don't think it's particularly ai, and i'll probably pick up soon - it's been a busy couple of days irl, and my attentions have been elsewhere

but if you have anything in particular you'd like to ask me, go for it

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how's your meta read going, looking for anything in particular ?

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yeah i hand out townreads early (or at least i just say most of my pings whenever they pop into my head)

not pushing as much is more just a function of what i'm retaining as i'm reading things through and how much it's pinging me. i do kinda owe everything from the last ~24 hours or so a reread because i kinda just read it without really processing it, if that makes sense, i have time for that soon so was planning on doing that this evening

very rough readslist for where i am rn:

Andresvmb ~ townvibes
VP Baltar ~ unsure? had some scumvibes earlier but i do actually like that you're caring enuf abt my alignment to meta me, i think that's unlikely to come from town here
Datisi - town ?
skitter30 - shinign beacon of towniness, etc
OutWorldER - town ?
Reformed Toxic Player - townvibes but i'm not putting super much stock in it
Something_Smart - null
Aristeia - as null as null can possibly be
innocentvillager - scumvibes
Laplacian - i think i remember liking him yetsterday but i don't remember why
Frogsterking - town
House - scumvibes
Almost50 - nullscum

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plz dont' say such things ... >.>

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VP Baltar ~ unsure? had some scumvibes earlier but i do actually like that you're caring enuf abt my alignment to meta me, i think that's unlikely to come from

town

here

*obligatory scumslip post acknowledgement

i meant scum obviously

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House - scumvibes

Considering I hard defend townreads as town as well as wk town as scum (so I can get away with defending my buddies as scum), whining about me defending you is irrelevant as that behavior is NAI coming from me.

What else do you have?

if you can answer these, i would appreciate it:
why do you scumread frog, and what are you now townreading dats, and how do you read vp

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the exact fact that i haven't seen shit from a50 is what makes me think he's more likely scum than rand, since i feel like town!him would've like... done *something*? the fact that he's dropped the claim and nothing more feels like a lazy attempt at pretending to be a quirky wifom-y townie

so the thing is that i think he, as both alignments, drops that sort of claim, and tbh i probably believe it, but the thing is that i think town-him has other real content, and scum-him is likely to not

i don't know how much this 'changing playstyle' thing affects this read tho

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lol ok

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after actually reading through, i feel better abt vp, worse about a50

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ok that doesn't really help me understand how you're viewing either frog or vp, but ok

wrt frog:
- i think he legitimately thinks the survey will help him (us?) find scum, and i'm not sure that scum dives into this game believing that so strongly
- he's had a couple of posts where he deepdived on his reads about people (you, and one for vp), and while i don't necessarily agree with his thought process, it seems to me like he's thought about those reads *a lot*, and that they make sense to him (/ they're internally consistent with how i believe him to be approachign the game)
- i don't exactly have the words for this but i don't think he's playign this game in the plane that scum would be. he feels a little ~disconnected~ from the overall gamestate in a way that i don't think scum would be

if you could, like, put words to your baltar read i would appreciate it

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well then

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i didn't say his lack of engagement was town-indicative, i said it might explain the scumpings (i.e. make what's pinging me nai)

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: a50

I can support this. I dislike his lack of engagement.

Unlike skitter, I don't consider it town indicative. Especially from A50.

VOTE: Almost50

498 was a response to this, and was talking about a50

the snippet of 484 was about frog

so i'm not really sure where your'e going with this or why you're acting like you 'got me'
(and tbh i'm not really sure why you're being so hostile either)

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i also didn't realize that this was addressed to me

Explain this away. Go on. Do it. I'll wait.

Also, being "disconnected from the game" is NOT something I'd associated with town.

i don't believe his case on you si that 'there's no case' - where did that happen

also in some instances i think disconnected from the game can be +town, and i think this is one of them

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VOTE: a50

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again, i'm not sure why you're being so abrasive and hostile

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i thought his read was more this:

I couldn't stop drafting this great post in my head that scum cased house based on VP = VI in a tvt with me and house preferring to take VP with him to lylo over me but willing to hammer either so shading me but not committing either way, and house dropping a TMI with his weird read on innocentvillager (though I don't know if he's trying to get town cred by defending a lurker he knows is townie or trying to protect his scum buddy because i sr iv's apathy as well he said he joined because the playerlist was interesting so why isn't he more interested?).

namely, he feels that you're fanning a tvt fight between him and vp, and that scum-you would rather take vp to elo (as he considers vp a vi - sorry vp), and that you'd rather get frog out today, so you're siding with vp

he also doesn't like your read on iv and considers it tmi

elsewhere, he says he thought you were townie earlygame, but has to reconsider that, and that you might be a deepwolf

none of that translates too 'you're so town that you have to be scum but i don't have a case against you'

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ok vp's town

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i didn't say anything about your vp read? that's *my* vp read ...

and i also didn't say that you have a tmi read on iv, that's what frog said, i'm repeating it to show you that he thinks he has more reasons to scumread you then 'there's no case so you must be scum!1!!!'

i don't know what iv read he's referring to, you can ask him if you like

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Okay, why?

- idk why scum-him feels the need to meta me here, or why he bothers to do so
- he's trying to de-escalate me/house, no reason to do that as scum (if anything, he should be trying to egg that on)
- i like that he's trying to get over the survey thing

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Ehh I'm vaguely convinced by point 1 (maybe VP is being thorough as scum too) but not really the others

I'm surprised you gave very material reasons here tbh - I've never played with scum!Baltar but I have a feeling I'll just like, not get the exact same vibe from him as I do in every single town game I play with him. I'm vaguely getting hints of that here but for me it's not strong enough to constitute any sort of real lean atm, but ofc I haven't read the whole game. But I was more wondering if his recent posting gave you similar tonal vibes that it gave me but it seems that's not the case.

fair enuf
i've only played the one game with him, where i misread him, and spent like two whole dayphases pushing him, so i can't say i'm like an expert at reading him or anything, but these things struck me as townie. this read is largely independent of that game, and has little to do with it, and yeah this isn't really a tonal read for me

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i'm kinda changing my mind on iv tbh, i think he's somewhat townie

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i'm kinda changing my mind on iv tbh, i think he's somewhat townie

Who do you FoS then?

i'm presently voting a50

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that's a spicy take

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You have 2/3 scum in your green section. Just step aside pls you were never known for amazing reads uwu :3

who are the 2 you're referring to here

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my solve has been vp/iv/laplacian for a while now :3 I largely townread everyone else here

not sure i see this solve tbh >.>

i think vp is probably town, and maybe iv too
unsure abt laplacian

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Hmmmm ?

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So I'm a candidate for being scum and I'm partners with House? You think if that was the case that we would not be talking to each other like the case is right now?

No, those reads were independant, i dont particularly think you're s/s

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a50 is the only null methinks

Oh i was right nice

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. I also have a sinking feeling at least one (but more likely two) of the three votes on me are scum motivated. I

Who are the scum votes on u?

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anyway, at the time, my townread consisted mostly of his "scumread" on me. like, he started attacking a generally townread person with reasoning that was so batshit insane it wasn't going to convince anyone, and it would only attract heat his way. so like what was the point. having slept on it, i'll admit this isn't really Rock Solid because i don't have enough experience w house to know if he does shit like that as scum. my first thought is a no, because people *generally* don't do that as scum, but i can't say for certain

Ty
Fwiw i'm probably coming around to house-town

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re house's 496: being disconnected from the game and being not engaged in a game are not the same thing, but ok

Maybe to you, but as far as I'm concerned the words are synonymous.

Not to me ...

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i think that is how skitter was using it, so

Yes

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I was wondering what they meant too, it looks like skitter is saying it seems townie that I doubled back out of paranoia and wasted lots of time chasing red herrings, like a reverse TMI being used as a town tell, and partly it's townie in this context with me because I don't seem to get anything out of it so it doesn't have a clear scum intent behind it. Okay, that makes sense to me

Ig more in the sense rhat scum wouldnt havr that sort of paranoia in the first place (like it isnt the sort of paranoia that it would occur to scum to have)

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not engaged = not posting much
being disconnected = posting things that are obviously out of tune to what is happening in the game

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/disconnect

Checkmate.

I think my intent and how i'm using it has more import than what the dictionary says, and even if 2 words are synonyms they can have different connotations

'Big' and 'vast' can be synonyms, but evoke different thoughts

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Click on 'more synonyms' for both of them, they both appear on each other's lists

And that's not the point, the point is that words can have different connotations, and in a game of mafia where you're trying to sort out other people's intentions, ehat matters is what they intended when they used the word, and not what you thought they intended

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I'm the fucking shining light of towniness.

* shining beacon of towniness

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VP is trying to discredit my read on laplacian by attaching it to something irrelevant (my read on IV)

I mean didnt you say iv/lap/vp was your solve? I dont think ur iv read is irrelevant in that case

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I kinda like the comp of the laplacian wagon, but thh i'm not sure he's scum ...

And wrt rtp, his reasoning feels very opaque to me, and i dont really understand his reads

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I'm kinda getting vague and inarticuable townpings on ss but idk how ro explain them

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anyway,
still don't really see why iv is townie, so @skitt/baltar/whoever the fuck, lemme know k thanks

While i can *see* a universe where he's scum and choosing to be low-effort to evade scumreads, his explanation tbh feels more to me like he genuinely wants to scale back.

His content last night was decent

This isnt a strong read (we know i just misread him >.>) but that's what i'm thinking rn

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And wrt rtp, his reasoning feels very opaque to me, and i dont really understand his reads

I feel this way about everyone, so it doesn't bother me anymore. (Also, *they)

Ah ty for correcting me, sorry rtp

I mean fair, but i usually tr people based on how well i track their reads and if they make sense (both to them and to me), so the fact that i have trouble understanding their reads is making it hard for me to read them

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Dats i'll get back to u later tonight for me, i'm abt to be busy again irl

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@dats regarding iv, i liked the following quotes and/or posts:

Spoiler:

If I need to be flipped this game to establish that this is kind of play from me going forward is part of my town meta that's fine. Also, I'm not necessarily that much busier per say, but I just don't want to be devoting boatloads of my time and energy to this game anymore. Some recent games took a lot out of me; I'm experimenting here and trying to strike a balance. If that means I get yeeted more often as town and am considered and even worse player than I already am, I will learn to accept it. Or maybe I'll siteflake again, who knows honestly.

515 - in particular the frog read

Okay, why?

- idk why scum-him feels the need to meta me here, or why he bothers to do so
- he's trying to de-escalate me/house, no reason to do that as scum (if anything, he should be trying to egg that on)
- i like that he's trying to get over the survey thing

Ehh I'm vaguely convinced by point 1 (maybe VP is being thorough as scum too) but not really the others

I'm surprised you gave very material reasons here tbh - I've never played with scum!Baltar but I have a feeling I'll just like, not get the exact same vibe from him as I do in every single town game I play with him. I'm vaguely getting hints of that here but for me it's not strong enough to constitute any sort of real lean atm, but ofc I haven't read the whole game. But I was more wondering if his recent posting gave you similar tonal vibes that it gave me but it seems that's not the case.

pedit: yeah what House said re: point 2

If I need to be flipped this game to establish that this is kind of play from me going forward is part of my town meta that's fine.

IV do you have an completed game where you were ok with being misflipped as town?

I kind of remember you using this kind of ate in the last game we played together:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13026522

That post was literally a last ditch AtE attempt, while I'm far from being actually eliminated in this game.

I feel like I've mentioned it many times that this is a new playstyle that I am experimenting with upon inning this game (like, I literally /inned into the queue with "oh god because I hate myself" if that doesn't make it clear), and that I shouldn't be read on this alone.

So while there might be some town game of mine out there where I am vaguely okay with being eliminated, it's not really relevant for this game. You'll have to read me based on whatever you see here.

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IDK, do you work harder as scum than as town?

to an outside observer, my towngame seems more effort-y than my scumgame - but i definitely work harder as scum, so. just a lot of that work is behind the scenes. not sure why you ask, tho.

fwiw i actually think the opposite

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FYI i have come to the conclusion that both RTP and VP are town.

why rtp?

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Isn't the first sentence and the second sentence a contradiction? How does RTP wrangle the game state towards being scum-favorable if they are passive?

no, he's saying that if rtp is scum, they wouldn't be passive. they're passive, ergo probably not scum

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i'm kinda just generally around now if anybody wants to chat but i'm having a hard time getting into this one and i don't really have a lot to say

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you can pick a topic!

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v good question, except i don't make hot chocolate often >.>
i'm lazy and use one of those powdered mixes and they're really not so good, and these two things are probably related >.>

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v good question, except i don't make hot chocolate often >.>
i'm lazy and use one of those powdered mixes and they're really not so good, and these two things are probably related >.>

mmmm I get one of those Scharffenberger bars and melt an ounce in warm milk over the stovetop and it smells amazing.

mmmm that sounds amazing ^_^
i will have to try it :)

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i actually skimmed through lap's iso, and i agree that it's not particularly townie. the one thing that i remembered liking was 198

the rest of hte iso is awkward, but i'm not sure it's actually scummy either?

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g'night house!

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i don't know, i don't have a holistic solve rn.
rn i feel good with my a50 vote

i do like vp and andres, and i'm leaning town on iv, so it's hard for me to wrap my mind around the full solve being in the slots you're proposing

i don't have a townread on you either

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Your vp Townsend sucks

well, why?

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Why is lap town skitter

i just said that i'm not sure he is
i don't have a read on him

i'm more intersted in the iv/vp/andres part of your solve tbh, as those i actually have reads on

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Your vp Townsend sucks

well, why?

Ok this town wants to go from a winning games tate to a losing one fuck this

Vote me already I really don't care

I already see the votes coming I'm not in the mood rn

I fucnjng hand what is probably a perfect poe on a silver platter and I get immediately tinfoil because I have confidence

Well sorry I have the experience to back it up

this isn't leading to a vote on you .... if i'm wrong on vp i'd like to discuss it with you and see where i'm wrong, as rn i townread him p strongly

what are your main reasons for scumreading him?

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I think you're town.

I think OWER's iso regarding you/lapla is not great

nobody is even suspecting you.

i actaully townread ower p strongly as well tbh
i just get Good Vibes from his posting

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i don't even think i should be townread here fwiw >.>

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fwiw ... i agree that lap hasn't been super townie, but i'm not actualy sure what he's getting wagoned for

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i agree that we're probably approaching the game from different povs
i guess i don't have the town-lap reference point to compare against, i'm just working off of what i see here

if you could talk to me about your vp scumread, i would appreciate it
also why am i getting townread by you?

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actually awkward that you ask because im actually losing my townread on you the more you talk but a50 scum flip will completely shut me up and im ok with that wagon existing side by side with lap wagon

ok that's fine ... i'm not trying to shut down the lap wagon, and i don't even think i've talked about a50 that much either
i'm trying to ask because i don't understand your pov at all and it's makign it hard for me to read you, and i'm not sure how else to rectify that

pedit right and i can't connect the dots for you .... i'm not saying they're not there i'm just not understanding it

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yeah dueling a50/lap wagons seems like a cool idea

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For all you people who townread Andre for some reason but scumread Lap, answer me this:

who is Andre voting right now and why?

i actually have no idea, but i'm kinda getting hte vibe that he's just a ~low content~ player in general, and i'm kinda liking his content and approach ot the game when he is here

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he's voting lap, no?

and i actually read iv's big post

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i actually really liked the frog read, and feel similarly
don't have thoughts on rtp, dats, ari

he has made a point of telling me before that he doesn't know how to read me and that he's massively paranoid of me, and that's in line with that game, but now that i think about it i'm realizing that was a scum-iv game so maybe i should be more bothered by it idk

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iv why are you paranoid of me again?

pedit i am massively confused
have you even played with scum-me anywhere?

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ok i'm just going to say that i'm confused and leave it at that

and note that i was mistaken, in the scumgame you weren't paranoid fo scum-me, but rather kept going on abt my towngame, so it was kinda the opposite

either way i don't have a problem with 515, and actually like parts of it

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i think i'm a little easier to read than most people think i am?
i.e. i think there's some noteable differences between my town/scum games but apparently i'm good enuf at sounding similar that i think a lot of people can't tell the difference

i'm not sure if that answers your question

very much agree with u abt frog

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Who is the scumbutt pushing him?

Why must there be one?

Because a Laplacian elimination was all the rage until I went to bed, and now all of a sudden he's losing steam for no good reason

whatsoever

& iv is catching a shitton of shade.

He's really not ... frog questioning tne wagon and pushing iv isnt necessarily gonna be making iv the push here

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But let's not waste time and energy on someone else. YOUR VOTE specifically smells. First, you didn't start my wagon. You even said you wouldn't worry about me right now, but as soon as you saw someone else spearheading it you hopped right on.

Furthermore -and this is even more concerning- you and I have established this for years: You disregard my play on D1 regardless and come back to me on D2 if I do make it through the night. You breaching that treaty is .. confusing me to say the least. When you were on track (as in when you said you wouldn't worry about me for now) I thought you might be hinting you're the role I am referring to. Now I very much doubt it and thus have no reason to assume good will on your part.

Tbqh i wasnt aware we had such a treaty >.>

I didnt start the wagon, but i was thinking of voting you prior to the other votes on you, and seeing them validated my feelings on you, and i dont particularly want to vite lap rn, but i dont have any particular object ions to voting you, and wanted fo see what you'd say to a wagon on you

Do u think i ought to be townreading here? Fwiw i do think your olay thus far has been more in your scum-meta. Whay do u think of the other votes on you?

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I disagree with the conclusion but 1012 really never comes from scum imo

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Hardclaim Masons with innocentvillager

Softed on page 1 & my reads list (same green color code for me and iv, different code for other hard townreads)

You really shouldnt havr claimed this, and i think you vastly overestimated the threat to iv

Also i did notice the color thing and was curious

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ok well just fucking vote lap then and we can talk about where to go from there d2.

i honestly have doubts about your mason claim and won't be believing it until one of you 2 are night flipped


if you make it to limlo do not maintain the claim if you truly are just neighbors is all i ask

How does this affect your solve?

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Why are you trying to discredit me?

I'm trying to imagine a reality where I didn't just waste hours in a game correctly looking for clues and detailing them only to be punished because there's some dumb role going on behind the scenes that operates the same of what I was told to look for but I WASN'T supposed to find it.

Town ^^^^^^^^^

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:cop:

I think Lapla is at E-1 btw

Actually might be hammered? I think he was e2 before this, but i'm not sure who comprised that e2

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don't have thoughts on rtp, dats, ari

how do you don't have thoughts on me yet >_>

Honestly i dont know >.>

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got 2 exams and an interview tomorrow, so i'll be spending the day preparing that shit, and i'll be spending tomorrow trying to not die. i might check in here and there, but don't expect much from me until friday morning. i'd prefer there's no hammers until i'm back, but i won't hold it against y'all too much if there is.

G'luck!!!!!!!

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Ah ty, was jusr checking that

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v good question, except i don't make hot chocolate often >.>
i'm lazy and use one of those powdered mixes and they're really not so good, and these two things are probably related >.>

mmmm I get one of those Scharffenberger bars and melt an ounce in warm milk over the stovetop and it smells amazing.

mmmm that sounds amazing ^_^
i will have to try it :)

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i actually skimmed through lap's iso, and i agree that it's not particularly townie. the one thing that i remembered liking was 198

the rest of hte iso is awkward, but i'm not sure it's actually scummy either?

Why is lap town skitter

i just said that i'm not sure he is
i don't have a read on him

i'm more intersted in the iv/vp/andres part of your solve tbh, as those i actually have reads on

fwiw ... i agree that lap hasn't been super townie, but i'm not actualy sure what he's getting wagoned for

Nothing new since these

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vla until monday

I should be able to check in and such but irl is a little busy rn and this isnt my top priority atm

[skitter30]

Suddenly very busy irl for the next few days, not ai in either direction

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Hey i'm like around but i'm imminently getting on a plane and i've read nothing since daystart, lets see how far i can get

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though, i would like skitter to tell me why she was scumleaning vp around 422. is it just him having "Strong Opinions on the survey"?

I didnt like his reaction to frogster's survey and felt like he was finding a reason to push him. This read changed later on

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Okay, so..

I retract the Masons claim.

I claimed that in the hopes that either I or iv would be targeted last night, and to keep a townread from being wagoned my

iv playing along reads to me as town. Scum would likely suspect a trap.

That RTP died over either of us, however, is disconcerting.

VOTE: VP

Dont like that he played along or this vp vote or that neither of you died ...

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No wait, scratch that.

RTP rocked d1, no way he was vigged.

I don't get it.

House is probably town despite the claim / retraction

Note to self to review iv's response to the claim

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Skitter is always V/LA on Friday/Saturday

<3

Also, again, like imminently getting on a plane and traveling like half way across the world, dont expect too much from me iver the next couple of days

Also rtp's solve was lap/iv/vp ... i actually dont think scum-vp kills rtp if they're that right there tbh ...

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Can’t get a beat on Skitter til she gets back.

Why focusing on me?

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RTP actively giving scum!skitter reasons to get paranoid:

Spoiler:

Your vp Townsend sucks

Why is lap town skitter

When have I ever aggressively pushed anyone this hard as scum on d1

i don't even think i should be townread here fwiw >.>

btw i think

if a50 flips town

skitter is massively sus for trying to defend lap in the way they are


its like active discouragement of a wagon you supposedly dont care about


but also ive seen skitter have a game where they were way off (chain of command) so wee

i agree that we're probably approaching the game from different povs
i guess i don't have the town-lap reference point to compare against, i'm just working off of what i see here

if you could talk to me about your vp scumread, i would appreciate it
also why am i getting townread by you?

actually awkward that you ask because im actually losing my townread on you the more you talk but a50 scum flip will completely shut me up and im ok with that wagon existing side by side with lap wagon

All in between of RTP loudly declaring skitter to be town.

Maybe it seems like more of a threat from scum!skitter pov.

Ari do you know if scum!skitter uses lines like "i dont think i should be townread" and "im having a hard time getting into this game" ?

PEdit: Funny you both say that, I was just considering putting VP at e-1 and seeing if Math hammered or anyone jumped in to unvote.

- they were townreading me before that i think? Unless i'm scum with exactly vp or iv, i dont think i would feel personally threatened by iv in the way you're alleging. I might kill them.for forcing through a scumflip and being obviously not scum, but i dont think i would be personally worried about them flipping me, esp given their main reads were iv/vp
- wrt the bolded: yes, yes i do

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I am at the bar and not reading the thread tonight

. In case it wasn't clear, Mathblade is confirmed town.

Also, we are not yeeting me today.

Its not clear, why?

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It's too wifomy of a kill if both me and VP are town and I really don't see why scum wouldn't just let koba deathtunnel town!VP

I was thinking about this while drinking rainiers tonight.

I think the RTP kill was possibly a paranoia kill by datisi!scum. On D1, Datisi mentioned he is aware of RTP's tendency to claim a townread on someone and then flip the script. Then at some point on D1, RTP said "never yeet datisi until xylo" or whatever. I don't think it is outside the realm of possibility that a scum was just in a relatively safe position and wanted a wildcard out of the way.

I really feel like a lot of people are reading meaning into the rtp kill that probably arent there ..

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ari and andres have admittedly weak votes on lapla. but those weak votes make no sense as bussing votes. what do scum!andres or scum!ari gain by blindly sheeping me/rtp onto the wagon, and not even trying to divert any attention elsehwere? they're not getting towncred for the vote, they're not opening the door for any other yeet, they're not setting up shit, they're just gamethrowing.

I dont recall ari's offhand, but agree with andres

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i'm not sure that i was completely wrong in my assessment, though.

VOTE: skitter

i remember skitter once saying how she's rather going to kill a vt that has dangerous views on the gamestate than a person she knows is a power role. i at first thought how this kill indicated scum in house/iv, since that's how scum could know the masons aren't real, but not necessarily.

Oh hi: yes this is true

Pedit yes, i just said u were probably town

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Sure, let's be absolutely clear: i received information last night. A50 is town. I won't be discussing the way that information came to me because scum trying to actually figure it out is an exercise in futility. I chose to release said info to stop a wasted discussion about a50 and to completely flip the script on any narratives scum wanted to open today with.

This is kinda annoying because:
- not sure i believe this
- i want to vote a50/math

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Agreed. Ari fits the bill as busser and opening up on VFP and has seemingly been trying to pocket Dat. I want to see more from Ari.

Like I kinda feel an Ari/Andres flip.

No she doesnt, she only get on wagon cuz dats did, that's not really a bussing vote at all

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If i had to guess, no, but its not something i'm particularly confident in, or a read i'd give much weight to

This post is bad from Skitter. She knows better.

In that ...

~

I kinda think ari is town rbh

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The most scum indicative areas for skitter are that she doesn't really have a concrete opinion about Lapla as he's going down the tubes - I feel it's generally more difficult for her to find her footing in a game that's moving quickly.

Tbf i was around enuf to see that he was going down and i would have proclaimed a firm scumread on him and gotten on that wagon as soon as it looked semi-inevitable

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i get nice vibes from 64, 68 and the last line of 100

Give me a scumread Skitter. Roar. Your posting is devoid of scumreads too.

No offense but this looks like you've decided i was scum and going through my iso after the fact to prove it

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Is there any reason skitt and OutworldER CANT be the scum team?

VOTE: laplacian

This vote is a typical sus vote. Naked. No expression of why and no expression of thoughts yet.

Seems more to keep up buddying it’s Dat vs a town who thought Lap was scum.

Why are you ignoring the 'ari is sheeping and buddying dats' thing, it doesnt really look like a bus in that context

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I think it's very odd that House and IV townread each other after neither of them died.

Same

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Also rtp's solve was lap/iv/vp ... i actually dont think scum-vp kills rtp if they're that right there tbh ...

Why focus on me instead of iv?

Because i can see scum-iv killing rtp there

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Honestly no idea, idk who was on wagon

I was thinking a50 but probably wouldnt vote him with your mysterious info

I'm probably voting iv after i catch up

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Well, idk how everyone plays scum. Ari knows how i play scum, and i' telling him that's what i would have done in this (+most instances) - the exception he's thinking my partner got wagined in like 8 hours akd i didnt see it happenening till it was over

This i checked in enuf across like 2 irl days that i would have seen my partner getting wagoned and would have made a firm (probably bussing stance) instead of being wishy washy for like 2 irl days, trust me, i know what the optics of that are as scum

I also think people (outworlder, frog), are overestimating the strength of rtp's read on me, and vastly overestimating how threatened i would feel by that (again if i wasnt scum with exactly vp/iv)

I started skimming when ari/math started bickering, i consider myself as caught up as i'm going to get

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Laplacian (7): Reformed Toxic Player, Andresvmb, Datisi, Aristeia, House, Frogsterking, Almost50

@vpb, i think the worsr vote by far is a50 followed by andres, but i dont think andres's vote is bussing, and you're telling me a50 is town

I actually dont think there's much scum on this wagon

VOTE: iv

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I think it's very odd that House and IV townread each other after neither of them died.

Same

skitters' posts read like commentary, not analysis.

I was catching up, and you're probably not getting anything mich deeper out of me today

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Yes, this is true. I told him not to claim and I'm not too happy about his decision to out both of us here, but I have been pretty detached from this game so I've been trusting him to lead it anyway. I personally preferred a solo Mason claim if I was really in that much danger later on but he mentioned he thinks it's easier and more believable to just cement us both as town here.

I'm not.really sure i like this in retrospect

Iv why did you go along with this?

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Ok ...

Why are you voting andres again?

[skitter30]

Ok ...

Why are you voting andres again?

That's what I do when I scummier someone.

What are YOU doing?

Trying to scumread someone

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VOTE: andres

Skitter knows why I focus on her. Not only was I asked she’s as good at scum as me if not better. She’s one of the few I BoP.

So she needs to shape up.

I actually dont, no.

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I'm p sure ari is town

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I dont think she sheeps dats onto a partner, and she's beinf a lot more circumspect abt her read on me than i think she would be as scum

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I dont think she sheeps dats onto a partner, and she's beinf a lot more circumspect abt her read on me than i think she would be as scum

I think she would. Why do you think she wouldn’t? What Townie thing makes you think that?

There was no hesitation either time dats voted him, i think scum-ari would drop the schtick and try to avoid bussing a partner, no?

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I mean yes but voting out a partner kinda sucks, no?

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Ok but scum-ari doesnt walk out of that bussing vote with a good narrative

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If that's at me, i also dont think andres is scum

[skitter30]

If that's at me, i also dont think andres is scum

Then who is the scum on the Lap wagon?

78% odds there is.

I answered this earlier, i said i thought it was your slot

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Notice how i'm not voting you, but am voting iv...

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Notice how i'm not voting you, but am voting iv...

Notice how you didn’t answer the question

Regarding the IV wagon, wagon on masons claim is bad. Should have dissipated faster

I dont know, and ghe masons claim has been retracted, so idk why i shouldnt vote him

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I literally dont know who the scum is who was bussing lap

You asking me more than once is not going to change my answer

If it isnt you i dont think there's scum onwagon

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And ok, flip me then. You're not getting much more out of me over the next couple of days

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I'm really not scared of vp, even though you seem to like to think i am

And idk why i'd be voting iv rn if i were scum with him

Pedit andres is town

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*of rtp

[skitter30]

Ok
Vt

Glhv

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PLAYER LIST
Andresvmb
VP Baltar
Datisi
skitter30
OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player
Something_Smart
Aristeia
innocentvillager
Laplacian
Frogst erking
House
Almost50ndresvmbVP BaltarDatisiskitter30OutWorldERReformed Toxic PlayerSomething_SmartAristeiainnocentvillagerLaplacianFrogsterkingHouseAlmost50

I tr andres dats outworlder ari frog house

Scum is in the rest

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Idk what happened to that quote

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I'd look p heavily at math tomorrow, i am very dubious of vp's mechanical whatever he's claiming

[skitter30]

Also these last like 4 votes are sus as anything

Again look at math
Make vp claim his mechanical stuff
Iv is sus

Idk that's what i have

Dont vote frog

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No loss even if we're wrong, then.

At this point, it's better to just flip you than risk outing a PR.

Scum never nk's you if you're actually town, so you're just mislim bait in Elo.

#kthxbye

I object to literally all of this but i hink if i actually go through why i'll get a lot more pissed than i want to, so i'm just gonna not

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PLAYER LIST
Andresvmb
VP Baltar
Datisi
skitter30
OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player
Something_Smart
Aristeia
innocentvillager
Laplacian
Frogst erking
House
Almost50ndresvmbVP BaltarDatisiskitter30OutWorldERReformed Toxic PlayerSomething_SmartAristeiainnocentvillagerLaplacianFrogsterkingHouseAlmost50

I tr andres dats outworlder ari frog house

Scum is in the rest

Also these last like 4 votes are sus as anything

Again look at math
Make vp claim his mechanical stuff
Iv is sus

Idk that's what i have

Dont vote frog

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And again make vp explain his mechanical stuff on matj since math looks p darn scummy to me rn

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In the hopes that someone will look at those tomorrow, which i doubt ^

I think math's vote is *incredibly* oppurtunistic, and i dont think he actually scumreads me

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No loss even if we're wrong, then.

At this point, it's better to just flip you than risk outing a PR.

Scum never nk's you if you're actually town, so you're just mislim bait in Elo.

#kthxbye

I object to literally all of this

Then you're not a VT.

How is that possibly the conclusion you come to >.>

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House if you think skitter never dies as a claimed VT then you just don't have enough experience with her.

^

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Because ...

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Math why are you scumreadibg me exactly

If i get hammered before he articulates that plz make him explain his read tom

[skitter30]

I'm feeling weak now I want to unvote. Skitter says all this stuff when they get executed as scum right?

No

[skitter30]

Also these last like 4 votes are sus as anything

Again look at math
Make vp claim his mechanical stuff
Iv is sus

Idk that's what i have

Dont vote frog

Hellll yeah

I mean skitter is like bleeding town now

No she isn’t.

If she thought I was scum she’d vote VP to try to prove I am scum but since I am town it’s probable VP’s flip would prove it.

How is that going to help anything rn ...
And mo i wouldnt

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Because ...

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Math why are you scumreadibg me exactly

If i get hammered before he articulates that plz make him explain his read tom

Dude i'm literally sitting at an airport gate waiting to board a flight to travel for like 5 weeks and am always vla on friday/saturday anyways and came back to 30 pages of content, what do you want from me
Because you’re better than the content you’re producing.[/quot

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I'm feeling weak now I want to unvote. Skitter says all this stuff when they get executed as scum right?

No

Well obviously you would say that, I was asking the others. Do you mind taking a look at S_S and OutworldER skitter?

Sure, but i also admitted to the things i would do as scum earlier, idk ehy you think this would be different

Asks ss ari or dats, they have experience with scum-me, outworlder does not

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VP says I am mech inno like you’ve been told several times.

Ok and ... why am i supposed to believe that rn

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Because ...

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Math why are you scumreadibg me exactly

If i get hammered before he articulates that plz make him explain his read tom

Because you’re better than the content you’re producing.

And why do you think this is how i play as scum ... ?

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Asks ss ari or dats, they have experience with scum-me, outworlder does not

Dats is already voting you.

So is Ari!

Why are either of these things relevant ...

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As do I. I am very familiar with scum you.

Pedit
Because there’s three possibilities

VP is town and truth telling I am inno. God father can’t exist because normal.
VP is scum and fake clearing me and I am town. Acts as a de facto clear
VP is scum and I am (this is false listing for completeness sake).

The only world I am scum is with VP.

Town you can process this and votes VP.

Or i'd rather jusr wait until vp outs whatever he's softing, i dont usually push pr claims to force them to out

And i'm also not convinced he's telling the truth, and i am also dubious about the quality of the inno he's claiming

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Right, so them retracting it is scummy, no?

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Asks ss ari or dats, they have experience with scum-me, outworlder does not

Dats is already voting you.

So is Ari!

Why are either of these things relevant ...

So skitter + dats/Ari cool.

Literally have no ide where you're getting this from, or how this makes sense

I named those 3 people because those are people who have played with scum-me a lot and know what scum-me looks like, ari in particular

Now that i think abt it you might just be burned from tm idk

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Right, so them retracting it is scummy, no?

Nope because it’s house
He does shit like this.
Annoys me but not scummy

I'm talking abt iv, i already said i think its townie from house

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Math why is me + dats/ari plz

They're literally both voting me already

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Asks ss ari or dats, they have experience with scum-me, outworlder does not

Dats is already voting you.

So is Ari!

Why are either of these things relevant ...

You want him to ask people who already think you're scum...

Kinda derp.

Because they know what my scumgame looks like and would be honest answeting the question of 'do u think this looks like scum-skitter'

(Unless they were potentially scum of course)

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What does that even mean ... i talked about my ari read extensively ...

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What does that even mean ... i talked about my ari read extensively ...

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I said i dont know, and that i think its you, and that asking me again wouldnt change my answer ...

And again, how are you getting that teamread - i havent really talked abt ss - am i scum with him?

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VOTE: math

Sorry i think this is nonsense

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You arenr a confirmed inno
...

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Also how do you know scum was bussing lap

If its not you, i dont think there was scum on that wagon

[skitter30]

You arenr a confirmed inno
...

Again I am through VP.

Not until he claims it, no. I'm not ignoring a scumread of vague 'a50 is town' that is unclaimed

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VOTE: math

Sorry i think this is nonsense

Literal scumclaim, lol.

You arenr a confirmed inno
...

Again I am through VP.

Not until he claims it, no. I'm not ignoring a scumread of vague 'a50 is town' that is unclaimed

Ugh:

I'm not ignoring a scumread for vague 'a50 is town' that is unclaimed and unverified

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You arenr a confirmed inno
...

The only way math isn't confirmed town is if VP retracts his claim.

Any other scenario, Math is IC.

Ok, and rn i dont trust that so yeah

Pedit i'm not

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Again if this goes thru plz look at math tomorrow ^^^