Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

[marcistar]

Yes, I'm curious as well. Whats furtiveglances experience like?

[marcistar]

Yes, I'm curious as well. Whats furtiveglances experience like?

Hey, Marci. Welcome.

Hi, thank you.
I'm still reading right now, and quoting things. But do you have any guesses why I asked specifically about furtiveglance?

[marcistar]

no, r u?

[marcistar]

Alianna
you seem like a fun person
I'm sorry you rolled scum in your first game
I hope you have an experienced partner to talk to so it's not overwhelming

I swear I’m town, just lacking braincells today.

I agree with whatever Luke said about this post, I lost it but I agree with it

64, 65 I don't find the content of these weird, I just find it weird how they name dropped a different mafia community, but said nothing else Surely that means they have ~some sort of experience

Speaking of confusion, the first page or two had a lot of talk about a previous game or 2. Seems like a few of you were already in a game together, which is fine. But talk that like, again, is prime for causing confusion. Further cements my thoughts (scum lean) on Somnus and raises my eyebrow towards TTTT.

I think the first few pages its fine to do this stuff since like, what better would we talk about at game start?

Yeah. Like I’m cool with the vote on me, but the logic used behind it, as well as the immediate town-read on furtive (not a shot at furtive, btw) for the exact same thing is absurd. Not to mention thinking that furtive hard-claimed town cop less than 24 hours into the game after jokingly stating he was mafia role cop. Enough about power roles. This is a bad idea.

IDK if im dumb but this seems a bit eh.. like noncommital? Mostly just based on like 2 words in it though. But otherwise I think Somnus would be town.

I find furtiveglance scummy yes.
10 feels VERY forced. While 18 also in a way feels a bit forced, but in the way of I think they're just inviting useless conversation to seem busy.
81, 117 just honestly feels like excuses and setting himself up so that he'll be able to get away with defending a possible scum wagon in the future by being like "OMG GUYS WTF I GAVE WARNING!!! ". I agree with TTTTs post about it as well.
82 this feels like an honest question to me considering the follow through so it seems a bit like a slip imo.
97 Where was his vote before this? Because this seems WEIRD and standouts from his other posts when I was reading.
For me, I read parts of 127 in a nervous defensive sort of tone. Thats how I think its read, it seems like he doesn't want TTTT to get on his case for some reason. Whats he scared of?
131 I had something to say about this but now i'm tired so you guys can guess first

[marcistar]

no, r u?

??

what about it

[marcistar]

no, r u?

??

what about it

You were directly asked if you were town. Your response was "no, r u?" Please explain.

I think you might be town B)

[marcistar]

whats ur readlists thn

[marcistar]

Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?

Yes :>

Maybe Aliannas scum..? What do you think about them?

[marcistar]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

[marcistar]

Does anyone seem scummy to you?

Are you talking to me or someone else?

WAIT OOPS-
I meant to you but anyone can respond ig

I honestly don't have much of a read either way on Aliannas.

Do you have reads on everybody else?

You seem to be making vague posts and asking vague questions. That might just be your play style, but if you're scum, could be a way to show you're staying active and trying to find Mafia. Why have you yet to vote?

I like being vague because if i turn out to be wrong i can just be like "ahahaha" and laugh it off easier than going in full force I would.
Do I honestly need to vote right now..? So much to talk about and I don't wanna throw my vote around without being sure and liking the vote.

[marcistar]

2) As for the defending a day 1 wagon, I think I'm being accused of hypothetically scumpositioning over a miselim here. Read Newbie 2088's Day 1 (my only previous game here) to see why I don't want a repeat of that. If someone I think is town is being voted, I won't just half-assedly say 'probably flips town' and then 'omg I told you' , I will actively defend them.

4) I used my vote on BigTerp is a kind of prod to make them talk. It wasn't on anyone before I voted them.

5) As for my interactions with TTTT, I'm not the kind of player to be suspicious of them purely because they were mafia in a previous game. I do not have TMI that they are town, it's day 1 and I am townleaning them.

Marcistar, I have entirely deconstructed your scumcase on me. Either find some new reasons to scumread me, or change your read.

Firstly I'm not tryna read past games, thats boring. I think coming in with a set in stone 100% mindset isn't all that helpful, and the way you worded it earlier made it seem (at least to me) that you would do it even without having reasons. But if you only do it when you have good reasons like you're saying now then thats fair enough.

But wasn't that right after they subbed in..? It seemed like not giving them very much time to post before you did that. (Or am I mixing up names here?)

Where did I even talk about your interactions with TTTT or said you were TMIing him? I don't remember that at all, please point it out.

And no thank you for that last part; vote me if you want.
"deconstructed" maybe, but am I done with you yet? Nope!!


(BTWS IM AT WORK AND PHONE POSTING uwu I'll respond to more later tonight but this was the only post i had time for during my break )

[marcistar]

marcistar - Not liking 169. The read on furtive was questionable. Felt like she was fishing for reasons to find them scummy. I didn’t see any of the things she was talking about. 204 seems suspicious as well but I would expect that more from newbie scum. So not sure quite what to think.

What about its questionable? "fishing for reasons to find them scummy" what do you thinks gonna happen so early on when not much has been established? What about the things I was talking about can't you see? I could try to explain better but you didn't really talk too much about what feels bad here so idk whats confusing for you.
how is 204 suspicious at all? my bad i wont ask people for their reads.

PlmPestPlaY

has the least amount of posts. He OMGUS' Somnus, makes a couple of statements I didn't really get in 201. I hope we can convince him to post a bit more and be more confident, else he'll remain completely unreadable. His lack of posting is

probably

due to this being his first forum game - I've been in the exact same place not even that long ago; however there's always the possibility of him being an overwhelmed mafia. He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned.

The only thing I've found weird about 201, is the knot thing, but thats just because im dumb.

I'm a bit wary of you,

marcistar

. I

don't get whether the latter part of 208 is a joke or not,

but being vague makes it much harder to read you and not voting does too. Being able to double down on a take because you formulated it vague on purpose rarely helps the town and it's hard to know where you're at regarding your reads. I also agree with BigTerp's take on you with regards to the vague questions. Asking questions is completely valid and fine - I've done so a lot as well - but I'm

missing the part where you draw conclusions from the answers that you've gotten and share them with the thread.

However I did like your post in 169. You seemed to be putting effort into the game and the case on furtiveglance is the most well thought-out case this game. I just

don't get why you wouldn't vote him after saying you find him scummy and casing him?

I get that you want to make sure that you like the vote (208), but you seemed to have built a rather convincing case on him. At the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. Maybe you could

explain to me why you asked the questions and what you got out of the answers (198, 158 etc.)?

How do you plan on solving this game, what's your approach? It would be appreciated.

It's only partly a joke, I don't enjoy being vague but I don't really have time to do much compared to what other people do. I also kind of generally don't like being agressive, I like waiting until I feel like I

want

to vote, and not caring about whether it'll take off or not.

If the answer to any of my questions were meant to help me solve or anything, if I drop the topic it's probably just the response was "fine enough".

I find him scummy, but not enough to vote. I posted the case to see reactions, and to see if furtiveglance has any way to defend themself first.

198 was a read I had, but didn't want to word in a case like I did with furitiveglance yet, and wanted to see what bigterp thought first. I think now people have seen what I've seen though. I've heard somebody say once that scum has a harder time having thoughts similar to townies, so I've been wanting to test that lately and see if anybody else can see what I see. Simple as that.

My plans just to ask questions and watch for as long as until I get a strong feeling like I want something, and then vote that and park there. It's so much easier when I just poke at things until I get into it. >.<

Let me know if any of these colors are hard for any of you to read.

You'd rather be vague and wrong than aggressive and wrong? I mean, I guess that makes sense if you don't want to look scummy with a bad read. But that could very easily come off as mafia trying to hide behind vague posts and reads and then be able to come back with an excuse of they weren't confident or sure on their reads/votes.

What if I am unsure of my reads
Nah honestly, if I convince myself it's someone, but it isn't, I'll lose motivation thats what usually happpens but idk how to stop that.

No need to wait until your 100% convinced of that to put your vote down.

No I need to wait because I'll probably end up forgetting about ever making the vote in question.

This is the first they've discussed Marcistar, unless I missed something, have them as "slightly scummy" (along with me) yet doesn't have votes on either of us. Seems like a good way to be able to come back to either of us (myself and Marcistar) later and claim they've been reading them scum when they flip scum. I know I'm town, so that only leaves one conclusion. I'm pegging Alianna and Marcistar as the scum team.

Why are you jumping to preflip associatives? Did it never cross your mind that Alianna could possibly have a reason to be scum reading me "so suddenly"?

I like the pressure on Marci. Would like to get them more involved in the game.

A wagon on me of this size

isn't

the way to "get me more involved" believe it or not. If anything it'll make me focus more on defending myself/responding to seeing my name, if we're lucky in terms of me having time I would throw out a few reads, but nothing really says they would be good in anyway.

Some of marcistar's posts look like they came from a bot. But I'm not sure I want to put marcistar on E1.

Seen people talking about this, it isn't a weird comment. I'm unnatural right now.

What are your reads on the entire playerlist, for when you do get back?

I've seen this, I'm acknowledging it, I'm ignoring it now.
Ask me about specific people if you care, but I don't think its useful to make a whole readslist thats just 90% "hehe idk they could be either alignment!!"

[marcistar]

A wagon on me of this size

isn't

the way to "get me more involved" believe it or not. If anything it'll make me focus more on defending myself/responding to seeing my name.

[marcistar]

Marci who is the most sus rn?
Feel free to say me

yes you

aliana or mr turtle as well

[marcistar]

marci
you haven't said a word about Somnus yet
now would be a good time

oh my bad i thought i already mentioned it but apparently not.. i think their townie.

They have nothing else to say about the game. I would prefer PPP probably but I'm optimistic that Marcistar is mafia

Nah I have more I could say, yall just aint ready for that conversation

The game has gone a bit stale and I want to jumpstart it

Spoiler: so then where do these tie in to this current thought of yours?

Scum can be found day 1 but it's not as likely. Scum will likely be quite careful on day 1, and are less likely to be collectively scumread since mafia make up 2 (usually active) players in the town.

And yeah of course I want to win. It's just that a popular wagon is likely town, especially if the reasoning behind the suspicion is the suspected person's individual awkwardness/stubbornness/lack of adequate blending. I will try to look out for those kind of players being miscondemned

What do you notice? To me it was

saying I was mafia

(no) and

two of my townreads are mafia

(I don't think so)

You literally said I could scumread you, cant be pressed about it when u gave me permission to speak my mind

Who am i meant to scumread then??? myself???? you just aint ready for ppl with diff opinions from u

because I wanted to see if she shifted focus to one of the other players given a little bit of time, but thats not a thing that can happen any more.

I was gonna tbhs but, like, yknow? I think at best people are too quick to townread Ailianna.

[marcistar]

honestly it wouldve been mostly "idk i think they could be either alignment " and giving a readslist for it to mostly be that im not aboutta do

[marcistar]

tsk tsk trying to hammer me while im at work? and giving our cutie replacement literally no time to say anything before the hammer?? SMH

if

thry're scum ur giving them and their partner an easy pass to plan out their reads during nightphase

[marcistar]

i have to find a post

[marcistar]

As far as Alianna's posts on page 1 and 2, they felt very flaky to me. Like someone that was excited to play, came into the game, and didn't really know what to say so just joined into the fun banter that the first part of the game had. But at the same time, that would provide good cover for scum to seem engaged and get the post count up yet be rather forgettable posts. As far as their interaction with TTTT, it could come across as rather contrived. You're making some good/interesting observations and asking some good/interesting questions.

I'm not sure if this is exactly whaf I'm looking for but phoneposting is hard. T_T
Originally I had similar thoughts about Aliannas posts. I still don't think thats redeemable. Nothing they've done have really spoken to me yknow? Some of you "townread them for sounding relaxed" but it's literally not that hard at all to sound relaxed when you're doing nothing too game advancing. That's why I think the townreads on them are "too quick" at best. Their posts didnt really do much for the game up until their readslist which -- someone, i forgot eho -- took in the worst light and used to make preflip associatves, so obviously the list didn't stick well with everyone.
But I don't wanna hate on the slot too hard, because I'm nice and wanna give MorbidDino time to play first.

If I'm the elimination, so be it. But looks like nobody cares for claims anymore, hmm? Looks like someone was tryna hammer me without me claiming

[marcistar]

I'll be honest, I forgot why I originally said "Mr Turtle" in response to whoever it was asking me who scum is.

BUT looking at it now I think its something in the beginning posts of thrirs?? Like up until the readslist I asked for, they just seemed more to be asking questions or explaining things instead of thinking about players. I think they do alot of this thing where they're like "I think <<this thing you literally just did>> is weird" but doesn't outright say that thats scummy in the post?

I think in their (last?? I think IDK im bad on mobile) readlist lower tiers of me / furativeglance / pimpestplay looks like its very not gonna make waves at all like safe I think..?

[marcistar]

The reason I said I thought Somnus was town is because I think he sounds very convinced/confident idk what word fits best but choose one. Granted that was my very early on read on them and I haven't had time to reevaluate since, I think they have been thinking about game and not just "mindlessly" going with majority. Like it seems like they're stleast trying to dig a bit deeper than most.. or want to? IDK where I read that but I remember that very clearly.

Thats all for todays work break folks!

[marcistar]

tsk tsk trying to hammer me while im at work? and giving our cutie replacement literally no time to say anything before the hammer?? SMH

if

thry're scum ur giving them and their partner an easy pass to plan out their reads during nightphase

These is one of the more scummy posts I've read this game. I'm still convinced you're scum and believe you are laying low to try and avoid the pressure that's been put on you. You avoided posting for 2 IRL days. If you're work schedule is that tough, I apologize. But you shouldn't have committed to a game like this.

If you're curious, yes I'm dodging thread a bit. (I was actually at work when I made my posts earlier, but tuesday i had a day off, and wednesday i had a shift that ended at like 5pm my time) I've done this as both alignments though.
But literally choosing the exact timing im at work is a moment to me and alot more effort than i wanted to spend at work. took up my whole break t_t

My most recent town game I played was League of Legends where I played as Gragas. To me, after Ashe got a sub, it just felt like I was playing a game of "dodge the prod" because I didn't wanna deal with the tunneling they were doing on me so I just tried to condense it all into one post and then not post again for awhile. While my very most recent scum game was Holiday Dance Party, where I was purposefully trying to post as much as I could considering my schedule, and tried my best to just talk though with people whenever I got suspected. Usually I care alot more when I'm scum cuz it feels like I'm letting down my team, while town has many more people so idc as much!!

[marcistar]

[marcistar]

what about me is suspicious B)

[marcistar]

Why does everyone refuse to look at it from my pov T_T meanies...

[marcistar]

You won't show me your pov. Give detailed reads please!!

I did everyone just ignored them

[marcistar]

wow so whats 505 508 and 509 then
ur so mean to me!! isnt that detailed

[marcistar]

Hey Marci, what is your read on me?

I don't have a read on you, I think you have reason as either alignment to defend me. So I tuned u out after you started being like "marci could be town but ehhhh"

[marcistar]

However I'm not certain She's scum anymore.

Why'd you say this originally? Without reasons it just looks like your chickening out.

[marcistar]

"chosen not to claim"
bruh i literally just got home from work what

But anyways its fine yall wouldnt get off my ass no matter what I say so this is needed.

[marcistar]

Bet you they'll ignore my reads too!

[marcistar]

I'm not dumb, if I was scum I could fake claim just well by myself. Thanks for the insult though.

You've got to be clowning if you think I'm scum here, I wouldn't just roll over easily when my partner would need to deal with a full force of towns.

[marcistar]

I told you guys, wagoning me doesn't help with my activity. I always start thread dodging when ppl tunnel me or many people come at me.
Nobody listened to anything I said, I even cared enough to give a few links to my games.

My reads I explained before and everybody ignored still stand for the most part, anyone I havent mentioned I don't have a read on.
Its a real toughie when the whole game calls you scum yknow :woozy: not all of them can be scum :heart_cat_eyes:

Au Revoir

[marcistar]

I'm not saying you are dumb
but you dragged your feet about claiming
and never really got engaged in the game

Be honest with yourself, nobody actually cared enough for my claim.

Why would I care enough to claim when the response would 100% be "lets just elim her anyways lolol". Yall would've NEVER got off my ass no matter what I do, but I can't sit here and pretend to be shocked; I usually get suspected quite a bit.

Luke sometimes can read me but sometimes hes bad at it. I think most of his "hits" have been in playerlists I feel nervous around.

[marcistar]

me when

[marcistar]

i hope to see all u newbies in the future outside of this queue, timing for this game was slightly unfortunate on my part (at least for the start, and then i plain out lost motivation) but I'll show you guys a better side of me one day!

if any of you ever need anything, don't be afraid to message me, i'll try my best even though im not as good of a player as some other people.

i think out of everyone, goldfishfromthemoon was really admirable for this game. they took on the challenge of the slot they replaced into and it didn't really look like they wanted to throw in the towel. though everybody played good, this is what stands out the most in my eyes at least.

furativeglance also had me fooled in dead chat 100% ngl, i was so convinced they were pr.. but lets uhh ignore that

love you all < 3