In post 1178, skitter30 wrote:In post 1120, Oxy wrote:
but skitter tunnel feels precisely like last game, and I think she's town. And I'm pretty sure math is town
This is a really weird thing for you to say cuz I'm not tunneling you here and the way I'm interacting with you here is vastly different from how I interacted with you in that game.
I kinda feel like you're calling me town and saying I'm tunneling you so that you can brush off the scumread tbh
tbh it's both you're bad read on me and your bad read on dino, and how you have pushed past multiple explanations for things you are concerned about.
I don't think my reads on either of you are bad.
Also last time when I was scumreading you, you tried to talk me out of it when you were townreading me and like tried to work with me, and here you're just ... not.
Can confirm am uninterested in defending myself to skitter
This is why I tried to conf myself as town last game
It's an incredible hit to teamwork abilities to be tunneled
"I just want to play mafia, not Economics Wonderland." - cytheflyguy
Him saying he will go read some cases but not doing so feels like stalling
Not voting Oxy despite the “Oxy sounds forced” narrative he’s pushing
I mean, he could be lazy town... or he could be lazy scum. He’s null at best
I really think Oxy is town and don’t see myself voting there
Nothing he said feels scum-driven or manipulative. I mean, you don't usually ask for town.case on someone. You ask for a scum.case, ad there's none IMHO.
it's just that a lot of his early game posting from what i read was kind of fluffing. yeah, everyone was fluffing, but the way he did it seemed to be kind of dodging having to play the game whereas other people had started playing the game at that stage.
TW i have almost no memory of your play in 1841 outside of "was unaware that daytalk wasn't a thing"
if i claimed that my read on you was anything more than that in lylo i was BSing
todo list for this game still involves doing actual ISOs, i'm a bit backed up in sitewide work though
"I just want to play mafia, not Economics Wonderland." - cytheflyguy
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worst
, for I will do mine! Then the fates will know you as I know you.
@pinturicchio You asked about the world where ofrhz is town. I reread a number of people tonight, and tried to reevaluate each of them. Not terribly much changed. I still don't see town motivation in The Worst, and I can definitely see a ton of fluff, little game solving, some shade throwing, some buddying, and reasonable scum motivation behind his pushes/reads. I think I was too hasty in my skitter read, and I realized that my confidence level in town!sajj should be shook by how consistently her posts oozed scum from my pov in 1859.
I still love Mathdino's game progression. I think his paranoia is townie, and I commiserate with him having an abundance of town reads. I am anxiously awaiting his NSG read. A scum read makes today's lynch easy, and a town read pretty much clears the slot (I'm not telling 1859 anything they don't already know here).
Read list (ofrhz = town instead of Ofrhz = scum)
Spoiler:
town lean:
Assuming Ofrhz town, here's where I'm at. Lists in no particular order:
Town
AP
Ruru
sunshine
UglyDuck
ofrhz
Mathdino
Sajj - lean because of lack of self confidence in reading ability
Pinturicchio - this is a town read except for one little thing.
Let Mathdino Sort:
NSG
Null
Draynth - I don't know what to do on this slot. There's not much there, and some of his questions/responses give the impression that he isn't terribly connected to the game. That might be AI, but I don't know enough about Draynth to say which alignment it would be indicative of. I'm skeptical of the amount of information that could be gleaned from a Draynth lynch, regardless of which alignment he flips. This slot feels like a perfect candidate for a mechanical resolution. Besides, it bugs me that he committed himself to reading so many things and then showed no proof of follow through. Why does scum!draynth build a trap for himself to fall into like this?
Scum
The Worst
Skitter30
Now. Obviously, Ofrhz goes into my scum read tier without the assumption Pin asked for.
Ideally, NSG is scum in this game. Otherwise, I've either called the scum team exactly, or screwed up on a town read. And I probably haven't called the team exactly.
If I'm wrong about people in my town list, I am most likely wrong about Sunshine. He has experience, and there is no meta on him. I think his push onto ofrhz/ruru over their reads, or lack thereof, comes from a townie mentality. It was a pretty brazen way to start a push - "You're not town reading me, so /vote!" - but maybe that was the point. If there is one person in this game likely to get a near universal town read while owning a scum role pm, it's sunshine.
Second most likely to be wrong about - Mathdino. I love his game so far, but who can know when it comes to dinosaurs.
Skitter read
Spoiler:
I said earlier that the tunnel felt precisely the same as last game. I stand by that, for the most part. Skitter would say something is scummy. I would explain where it was coming from, and her response would come across as, "ok, but i still see it the way I see it." I felt that she had done the same thing with Mathdino and Sajj, and it felt like last game skitter. In retrospect, this would not be a terribly tough thing to fake as scum, and I may have been too hasty in the read.
Someone said earlier that Skitter didn't form scum reads as quickly last game. I don't think that's 1859 had a lower post rate, and I think skitter actually placed her first real vote after about as many posts in 1859 as it took for her to develop a scum read on Mathdino. Obviously the Sajj read came earlier due to the nature of scum reading an opening, but her next substantial scum read came around the same time. If it came earlier here - and the timeline is rather fungible since I cannot know for certain if skitter was posting in real time as she read, or after having read and gone back - it was only by a couple pages at most.
In post 357, skitter30 wrote:He feels kinda .... shallow, I guess? Like not as involved with the gamestate as I'd expect? Like just kinda here? That doesn't explain what I'm seeing super well though; I guess I'll just call it gut till I figure out how to articulate it?
From my perspective, Mathdino was holding court all through the early game. Mathdino laid out a good defense of his play at the time, and I think that added credibility to this read by Skitter. In retrospect, this was a really odd conclusion to draw from the game up until this point.
In post 362, skitter30 wrote:Sajj is scummy. Dislike her entrance, dislike that her other posts later were largely about people responding to her entrance.
I find this read scummy. Skitter just played in a game where I tunneled Sajj right out of the gate. She responded by focusing on deflecting the case against her. This seems like a generic lvl 1 read coming from someone who should be seeing this as either town indicative or NAI.
Posts from the worst I find scummy
Spoiler:
In post 375, the worst wrote:while we're getting stuff of our chests
townreading Mohab500 without more content is weird as shit
I'm not adverse to it but there are certain boxes he needs to tick first imo
He repped into newbie 1797 a year ago ~12 hours before the day1 deadline. He was asleep before I was around, and he got lynched after I went asleep and before he woke up or something, so, like, I was technically in a game with him but we didn't actually interact.
He was more try-hard there, but his slot was imminently getting lynched, so idk if that means much.
What was his alignment? Probably means nothing but circumstantial > nothing
if we get a scumflip between ofrhz/TW we can also confirm scioness is town by that logic
also i'm starting to think TW is town so there's definitely a scumread that slipped by me
could be oxy but for now this solidifies scum in {UglyDuck, Draynth}
How do you feel about Oxy's....... "analysis" because it's starting to scare the fuck out of me
pretty townish, otherwise not that interesting
vote for shooting ofrhz pls
Edit: wow yeah vig playing hero is potentially the most anti-town idea possible
Problem.
If loud and charismatic scum steer the vig shot, it is MORE anti town.
Don't act like you don't see it
In post 1077, the worst wrote:Lurkin thru a bit, kinda lack of conviction in your posts, I'm not really feeling your strong reads....also you were scumreading me one appearance, but suddenly feel very agreeable...
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we just have a scary habit of having SAME moments in sitecat.
