Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[Almost50]

Sharing is Caring D2 VC #12

pinturicchio (4): ofrhz, BlackStar, Zoronos, davesaz,
Mathdino (2): pinturicchio, HitAlt,
HitAlt (1): ruru,

Not Voting: HeWhoSwims, the worst, Mathdino,

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

(expired on 2018-06-21 21:15:00)

It was time to pull a Mastina

[pinturicchio]

also not gonna lie
i didn't actually notice you fuck up your hypoclaim
i think TW was the one who noticed it and i just didn't comment
but correct me if i'm wrong

again, big difference between voting and pushing your hypo-inno

and forgetting your hypoinno for a single reads list

I think TW pointed out HitAlt's inconsistency, but HitAlt already said that his hypoclaim was bad

[pinturicchio]

You should be able to meta TR me off team mafia plus other games we've been town together. No research should be necessary.
VOTE: Mathdino

That's a fuck you death tunnel btw.

I know that probably sounds weird... Example Mathdino is a medium town but it's a weak read. HitAlt and BlackStar are null and weak reads, etc.

davesaz (strong duh - the role PM can't be wrong)
HeWhoSwims - un-cc'd PR, would be weak read without that.

Zoronos (strong)
ruru (medium)
Mathdino (weak)

My hypoclaim was also bad. I think MathDino might actually be scum here.

notice the difference

Ok yes we're on the same page, was looking at the same. HitAlt's "inconsistency" is significantly different; it's not an inconsistency at all since he pointed out it was bad, so it was a VT claim basically. But I don't see the difference between davesaz' inconsistency and mine; dave voted you after hypoclaiming an inno on you, but he didn't made an explicit statement about his hypoclaim like HitAlt did.

[the worst]

VOTE: HitAlt
Idk what you're all saying about Pintu becoming townier under pressure... but still I'd rather vote obvious scum here.

[the worst]

BTW sick so expect fairly low effort until EOD

[ruru]

UNVOTE:

For the record I don't prefer HA over pin now that pin claimed

Can we plan night actions

My ideas so far are like

Cop+vig act tonight

If jk or jk+cop get shot, do nothing
If cop or cop+vig get shot, jk jails a likely NK every night until X expires, vig does nothing
If vig and scum both shoot cop, vig shoots again tomorrow
If vig gets shot, jk and cop each flip a coin (25% chance of doing something useful regardless of what scum do)

Actually if pin flips red, is tomorrow still massclaim? Esepcially if jk or vig get shot tonight, there's a pretty good reason not to out cop in 6:1

[Mathdino]

I assume then that TW and ruru are still able to help push the lynch through if someone gets cold feet.

Cop + Vig tonight - correct
vig should only shoot between people who are obviously not the cop
doesn't matter if you hit scum (scum will prob get doc'd anyway) as long as you hit someone in the lynchpool

If pintu flips green:
- Massclaim tomorrow. the vig can choose to claim VT unless they're about to get lynched i think?
- Cop gets shot = use the jailkeeper as the cop
- Vig gets shot = use the jailkeeper as the cop, cop doesn't act
- JK gets shot = vig claims VT for sure, and hopefully shoots twice more (shooting once doesn't affect EV at all)

If pintu flips red:
- Cop should claim both their innos if they're still alive. This solves the game.
- if cop gets shot, use jailkeeper as cop all the same

[Zoronos]

If pintu flips green and there's a vig miss it's 10 vs 2 -> 7 vs 2. Why mass claim there and not at 5 vs 2?
At 5 we still have a mislynch to give so it's not do or die with counterclaims.

[Zoronos]

Nevermind I am bad at math. It is currently 8 vs 2 -> 5 vs 2.

[the worst]

Oh hold on Pintu is scum

[Zoronos]

Why?

[the worst]

Tell u tmrw

[ruru]

- Vig gets shot = use the jailkeeper as the cop, cop doesn't act

Hmm I don't understand

If there are 2 scums and jk claims a scum target ahead of time, the other scum will do the nk

Otherwise scum will just shoot jk first and then cop and we get no information, right?

What am I missing here

[ruru]

If vig gets shot, jk and cop each flip a coin (25% chance of doing something useful regardless of what scum do)

Also this was referring to jk specifically targetting cop if it wasn't clear

[Zoronos]

Tell u tmrw

That doesn't do me much good if we're debating lynching Pintu now. >.<

[the worst]

Tell u tmrw

That doesn't do me much good if we're debating lynching Pintu now. >.<

hmm I'm about 90% certain and if he is town you'll probably find out p quickly what my reasoning is

[Mathdino]

Hmm I don't understand

If there are 2 scums and jk claims a scum target ahead of time, the other scum will do the nk

Otherwise scum will just shoot jk first and then cop and we get no information, right?

What am I missing here

I assume that if pintu flips green and there's a massclaim, there's no way scum won't get lynched tomorrow just by PoE.

Idk I don't think we really need to plan out N3 actions on D2.

[Mathdino]

Tell u tmrw

That doesn't do me much good if we're debating lynching Pintu now. >.<

WE'RE NOT DEBATING WHETHER TO LYNCH HIM

literally all i have to do to lynch him right now is be like "hey ruru/TW, can you put him at L-1 for pressure please?" and then lolhammer

[Mathdino]

that said, i'm not doing that

i'd like to hammer in around 24 hours tho

[the worst]

if I'm up I'm in ^^

[Zoronos]

Tell u tmrw

That doesn't do me much good if we're debating lynching Pintu now. >.<

WE'RE NOT DEBATING WHETHER TO LYNCH HIM

literally all i have to do to lynch him right now is be like "hey ruru/TW, can you put him at L-1 for pressure please?" and then lolhammer

I'm *pretty* sure we're doing exactly that, and I still get a vote in whether that happens.
No matter how many times you repeat it doesn't make it true.

[Mathdino]

you're currently voting pintu so you're doing a great job continuing to deliberate aren't you

there are 6 players other than you willing to vote pintu

i don't understand why you never seem to consider what lynches are possible/realistic

[ruru]

I suppose we should wait for our confirmed jailkeeper to speak but I'm ready to lynch him now honestly

[Mathdino]

HWS wants davesaz and outside of that seems to think almost anyone could be scum

put pintu at L-1, i'll hammer when HWS has checked in (or if he gets prodded cuz i'm not waiting for him)

hmmmmm
if pintu flips scum, should we still have the cop act or should we do JK+vig instead? (where JK names a target beforehand)

[ruru]

Hmm

Cop:
- No result if cop gets shot by either faction

JK:
- Telegraphs a non-vig target reducing docpool
- Fake guilty on scum's target
- Fake guilty if scum choose to no-shoot
- Could hit the vig

I think I like cop better