Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[Shoshin]

the worst, why'd you go from calling Random scummy due to Creature associations to calling Random town after Creature flip?

[Shoshin]

Why is chick town, shoshin?

I'll explain when you explain why the worst is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Random, Wisdom, and the worst is my picks for scum.

I don't think the worst is town, so...

In what freaking world is the worst ever scum here?

[Wisdom]

lol i knew it
Get roped

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Wisdom

That read on the worst is bullshit.

A town replacement wouldn't take it for granted that the worst is town.

THIs

is why you’re voting him?

How do you know he didn’t base this on the wort’s ISO?

I don’t believe you believe this.

You think Wisdom comes into the game, reads the worst as town, but can't explain why? It's bullshit.

[Shoshin]

Random, Wisdom, and the worst is my picks for scum.

I don't think the worst is town, so...

In what freaking world is the worst ever scum here?

I've been saying or implying that the worst is scum since D1.

You think he's town because Creature townread him and because the worst expressed hope that Creature was town. Neither of those are town-tells.

the worst's "badtown" read on Reality on D1 didn't make any sense.

the worst's refusal to answer why Sajj was town is the same sort of bullshit response that indicates an inability to explain. Scum sometimes post fake reads and when they're asked to explain they can't. That's what I see the worst doing with Sajj (similar to what I see Wisdom doing with the worst).

the worst called Random scummy on D2 before the Creature flip, specifically saying that Random was scummy due to associations wiht Creature. But then Creature flips and suddenly the worst is reading Random as town? That's a scum/scum progression, where you call a partner scummy due to associations with another partner pre-flip, but then when the associations become clear, you townread your partner because at that point you're pushing a scum agenda and you don't want town lynching your partner anymore. Town don't think this way. If they see a clear association between two players, they don't randomly magically forget the association.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Random, Wisdom, and the worst is my picks for scum.

K, so random, because you’ve been fixated on him from D2, Wisdom because he’s reading the worst correctly and the worst because. . . only God knows why?

What happened to your Chick SvS random theory that you were pushing earlier?

[Shoshin]

I never pushed a Chick SvS theory.

[Shoshin]

Wisdom's scum because he can't explain why he's reading the worst as town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Wisdom

That read on the worst is bullshit.

A town replacement wouldn't take it for granted that the worst is town.

THIs

is why you’re voting him?

How do you know he didn’t base this on the wort’s ISO?

I don’t believe you believe this.

You think Wisdom comes into the game, reads the worst as town, but can't explain why? It's bullshit.

What makes you think “he can’t explain why”? Seriously, is this supposed to be your idea of frozen or something?

I was still townreading you before this but no way can you believe what you’re saying and still be a villa.

[Reality Check]

Shoshin I think whichever site you came from has very very different ideas of what's town and scum than here

[Wisdom]

she just doesnt know i never explain my reads and thinks im pushable
she will learn

[Shoshin]

This is a game of uninformed majority vs informed minority. And that's the case across all sites. So what I'm saying applies everywhere, in all games of mafia.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why don't you think Chick could be partnered with Random?

Saying that Random is scummy while looking to lynch someone other than Random makes their association plausible.

Why don't you think Chick could be partnered with Random?

Saying that Random is scummy while looking to lynch someone other than Random makes their association plausible.

Why would anyone think The Worst is scum? I'm not understanding that.

Also (I think I saw someone mention this, but I have no clue when or who)

I think there could be some merit in the underground event having a scum in it. But it's just scum wifom,

so I'm not sure where to start with that. I mentioned it in my masquerade PT but it wasn't super heavily used. Never got past a page.

What motivation does scum!Chick say this, unless 1 of the 3 underground peops are scum and it looks like all 3 are clear?

You think Chick's town because of speculation about scum WIFOM? Okay...

Skimming what I have, I don't see an outcome where Creature is town here. This is obv scum Creature. I'm actually really curious why a Creature lynch didn't go through D1.

I hope so.


Can we end day already? Enthusiasm is shot when we already know who we're lynching. Creature isn't coming back to comment if that's what we're waiting for. He never does as caught scum.

The Worst
Nancy Drew 39
Scioness Sajj
Vartsun (Varsoon/Taly)

Shoshin

randomidget

Princess of Renais

WhemeStar
ArcAngel9
Joral




Reality Check I'm inclined to believe is town
TW solid town <3
Arc Town
Shoshin I want to look back over some of the later part of yesterday
Random is most likely scum for the creature thing

@Shshin, Does any of this read to you as if Chick/random are likely w/w together?

It's plausible.

I never pushed a Chick SvS theory.

[Shoshin]

So Wisdom never explains reads? It's a meta thing?

[Shoshin]

I said Chick could be scum with Random. But I'd never lynch Chick over Random.

[Wisdom]

Make her explain why chick is town. She cant bs out of it if its not me asking

[Shoshin]

Wisdom, have you even read the game?

[Reality Check]

she just doesnt know i never explain my reads and thinks im pushable
she will learn

There's examples of this shit everywhere in the thread

[Reality Check]

Like the honesty = town thing

That's naively false

[Nancy Drew 39]

she just doesnt know i never explain my reads and thinks im pushable
she will learn

That’s besides the point. It’s a ridiculous reason to base a vote on. It reads to me like she finally realizes that random isn’t much of a threat and you are. She has given absolutely no valid reason for either scumreading you or the worst.

[Shoshin]

Like the honesty = town thing

That's naively false

It's not that simple, obviously.

[Reality Check]

Then unpack it and show why it makes you town Shoshin

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like the honesty = town thing

That's naively false

Yeah, I was tricked by that in a past game. A player was 100% sincere about feeling bad being sick and unable to contribute to the gamestate but was wooden about everything else.

[Shoshin]

Look, mafia is a game of probability. Nothing is certain. Certain behaviors or associations make one alignment or the other more probable. The town-tell is honesty about against-the-grain behaviors when a less-scummy-sounding lie could have been told without any harm or risk of detection.

In my case, I could have said I targeted Sajj because I thought she was vig. I could have made up all sorts of shit. But I didn't. And that's a town-tell in this case.