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[Irrelephant11]

Being paranoid in this situation is a major towntell for me, and could have been discovered by reading any game where I reached or nearly reached lylo.
Whatever

Bji i think you should answer it in case you’re nightkilled (not what I’m expecting but within the realm of possibility)

I’m angrier than ever at you both rn but also townreading you both because I don’t think scum would care to argue with me here

Pedit: well, sorry I said that, I guess. I think I was scumreading you at the time -> trying to get in your head, so it’s not personal, I just thought I’d found a TMI moment from scum

[bji]

Who’s scum? @bji

I'm not answering this. I'll answer if Persivul asks, but only if Persivul asks.

OK. Who's scum?

It's Clem. I am not interested in reading anything else or discussing anything about it. It's Clem and that's who I am voting tomorrow. Full stop.

[Irrelephant11]

If my tantrum can make it easier to sort other players, I’ll take it.
VOTE: clemency

Scum!bji deserves the win
Sash could theoretically be scum but they towned it up this game day imo
Clemency basically went AWOL when Garmr slipped

[Irrelephant11]

Wish we could have discussed that moment sooner, Persivul, i probably would have scumread it too without an explanation

[Persivul]

Persivul if you’re confident everyone knows your reads, great. I don’t feel like I do, but I won’t be in lylo anyway, so *shrug*

I think this was pretty clear:

Perfect. You, me, and bji are in agreement. We lynch one of {Clem, Irrel} today. If that doesn't end it, whichever two of us are alive tomorrow lynch the other one.

Pedit: “messed up”? Lol. Every player other than me *has been towny*. That’s why you mislynched me, remember? So it’s not messed up, it’s where your head would be at if you were in my shoes

I managed to say you AND clem, so no, that's not accurate.

[Irrelephant11]

No hard feelings post game from me either, btw! I hate losing and getting mislynched feels a lot like losing, especially in a game state where I personally would have probably needed two lynches to get it rught

[Persivul]

Being paranoid in this situation is a major towntell for me, and could have been discovered by reading any game where I reached or nearly reached lylo.

Yes, I read a town game of yours and saw that you used the word a lot. That's why I retracted the charge:

More paranoia tell.

Actually I'll retract this. You use the word a lot.

[Persivul]

Pedit: well, sorry I said that, I guess. I think I was scumreading you at the time -> trying to get in your head, so it’s not personal, I just thought I’d found a TMI moment from scum

No problem.

[Irrelephant11]

Right... but you still scumread me for the *actual paranoia* that made it hard for me to come a conclusion
I hope we get ‘em in lylo! I did really like some of each of your play this game (and am impressed if either of you are scum)!
I’m outie

[Persivul]

FTR, I also scum read you because I have a solid claim, but you threw shade at it several times. Eventually you came to a good analysis, but at that point it seemed like you had given up on the shade because no one was biting, and were just trying to get some town points by buying into it.

[Sashaddin]

If my tantrum can make it easier to sort other players, I’ll take it.
VOTE: clemency

Scum!bji deserves the win

I'm totally lost by this comment. Are you saying the most obvious scum would be Clem but bji might have pulled an exraordinary scum game?

[Sashaddin]

I wanted this because I agreed with sash’s feeling that voting Garmr at start of d2 does look like bussing in retrospect

Good, I'm still not experienced enough to trust all my reads. I'm happy they be confirmed here.

[Sashaddin]

Bji i think you should answer it in case you’re nightkilled (not what I’m expecting but within the realm of possibility)

Any prediction on the outcome? I asked in an earlier post and didn't get an answer.

[Sashaddin]

Leaving work, I hope it's twilight again when I get home.

[Sashaddin]

Whoever is in lylo: give some slight town points to whoever votes first
(If scum votes first for the town points, all the better: it makes lylo a 1v1 and ensures town is in control of the hammer)
Town votes first more often than scum

Interesting. I'll observe carefully tomorrow if I'm alive (and even if I'm dead!).

[Irrelephant11]

If my tantrum can make it easier to sort other players, I’ll take it.
VOTE: clemency

Scum!bji deserves the win

I'm totally lost by this comment. Are you saying the most obvious scum would be Clem but bji might have pulled an exraordinary scum game?

Yes

[Irrelephant11]

Bji i think you should answer it in case you’re nightkilled (not what I’m expecting but within the realm of possibility)

Any prediction on the outcome? I asked in an earlier post and didn't get an answer.

Idk who scum will kill, though I think you and Persivul are more likely than Clem/Bji

[Lady Angel]

Irrelephant11 has been lynched. Irrelephant11 was...

Spoiler:

Name: Vanilla Townie
Alignment: Town

You have no abilities other than your vote. Sorry!

Win Condition: All Mafia-aligned players are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is alive.

Night 3 has begun. It will end on Saturday, December 8th at 8:00 PM PST. You will have until then to submit your actions.

[Lady Angel]

Votecount 3.Final:

Irrelephant11: 3 (Clemency, Persivul, bji)

LYNCHED

Not voting: Sashaddin, Irrelephant11

With 5 Alive it's 3 to Lynch.

Irrelephant11's Clemency vote does not count because it was post-hammer.

[Lady Angel]

Persivul has been killed! Persivul was...

Spoiler:

Name: Town Loud Cop
Alignment: Town

Ability: Loud Investigate
Once per night, you may target a player. You will learn that player’s alignment, but that player will be informed that you targeted them.

Win Condition: All Mafia-aligned players are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is alive.

Day 4 has begun. Day 4 will end on December 29th, 2018 at 7:00 PM PST, or 20 days and 48 minutes from now.

[Lady Angel]

If a Town-aligned player is lynched today or a no lynch occurs, Town will lose the game.

[bji]

I already said who I was going to vote. So Clem -- defend yourself. Are you going to vote for me or vote for Sash?

[bji]

By the way Clem, you get exactly one post and them I am voting you. So make it count.

[Sashaddin]

Clem is my choice too. I can't imagine scum!bji now even though you were my first read.

[bji]

Clem is my choice too. I can't imagine scum!bji now even though you were my first read.

OK well here are my reasons for voting Clem:

- Only ever really got excited/involved when I pushed on him Day 1
- Made lots of noise about being pissed that he wasn't going to get to
play because he was sure he was going to be tunnelled to death, but
then once the tunnel was done he didn't actually play. Conclusion:
emotion was faked
- Garmr seemed to purposefully trying hard *not* to read Clem as scum;
waffling with post 98
- Garmr post 101 gives an oblique reason why Clem's play would be town.
- Garmr post 118 says Clemency is they type of player that will drag you
into the spotlight. No justification for that before or since.
- I had attacked Clem and voted Raya, Garmr had to consider a bji vs. Clem
fight and a bji vs. Raya fight, he stayed out of the bji vs. Clem fight
and chose to vote me early and vote Raya late. Seemed to be avoiding
conflict with Clem.
- Post 349 says he wants Reaper to talk more but never again seems to care
about reaper talking. This is right after putting reaper at L-2, believing
it was L-1 and quickly unvoting. In context this seems like trying to
come up for a reason for the unvote, and a hastily made up one that
according to further evidence in the game was not true.
- Post 446 Garmr is asked who is never scum, he says Clemency but gives
weak wishy washy reasons (same for Sash though).
- Post 549 "inb4 buddying" he is worried about how he looks buddying
- Post 573 Garmr doesn't like Clem's reason for voting Creature but still
never questions Clem. Garmr is resisting changing his "slight town"
lead on Clem.
- Post 600 Clem answer's my question to Sash to let us know that he's
acting like his last game (where he was town). Seems interested in
ensuring that he is not perceived as scum.
- Post 1173, apparently noticed the mod vote error but never pointed it
out?
- Post 819 Garmr says scum is bji, Sash, irrelephant, then later after his
scumslip in post 870 he changes it to bji, Sash, Clem. Why add Clem
and not just drop irrelephant? Looking for some post-scumslip distancing
maybe?
- Both Persivul and I ended Day 2 saying that we wanted to lynch Sash.
Yet Sash didn't kill Persivul or me. Persivul would have been an easy
kill to try to deflate the wagon on Sash - not even suspicious, as the
overriding reason to kill Persivul would be becuse he is cop. So Sash
could kill him, and take pressure away, without any chance of being
suspected. Instead the scum killed Reaper and roleblocked Persivul.
So Sash would have killed Persivul, not Reaper. And Clem might have
thought that keeping Persivul alive would get a mislynch of Sash.
- End of Day 3 both Persivul and I were angling towards Clem (me hard,
Persivul soft). Clem's best play is to kill Persivul. Sash's best
play cannot be known and is WIFOM.
- The only big thing against scum!Clem is that both Skitter and Creature
scum read Sash and town read Clem. However ... Persivul and irrelephant
scum read Clem in the end so ...


Do you disagree with any of those?