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She is strangely charmingIn post 1472, Nibbui wrote:I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though
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Nibbui what are you high on.In post 1302, Nibbui wrote:I think no one can correctly read mastina here and her posts at least for me are nullscum because I've not seen any fluidity on her reads
she did read the opening posts and her later readlist is basically the same than it was on page 1 or 2
that's not normal imo
My reads didn't change one iota in Red Flag.
And while I haven't been town in many games recently, my reads never changed in Labyrinth, Varsoon Variety, Stock Photos, Be Someone Else, or Magical Girls Mafia.
And they only changed
once
in Earthbound, with a similar reluctance to change in Scummers in this Game.You literally saw me explain my philosophy as to why.
My reads only change when I have reason to change them.
I've no reason to change my Mephistophanes read; I was townreading nsg, I'm townreading Nancy, and I'm townreading Aristophanes.
I've no reason to change my podoboq read; I gave you my scum case, the entirety sum of why people are townreading podoboq seems to be "oh I liked these reads from podoboq" (which is absolute horseshit), and he continues to scum it up whenever he posts.
I've no reason to change my the worst read; I haven't given you the case, and admittedly I've slacked off a bit in hounding his posts, but he is still playing scum here and I can better explain that later.
I've only had one read change--skitter moving to being a townread--but that's because there's only been the one read that has had reason to change.
Pink Ball is just as town as before and continues to town it up whenever present.
You are even more town and continue to town up whenever present.
Lolwagons is someone who is a strong enough scum player to not be outside his scum range and it's hard to lock down anything he's said as being undeniably town, but there's also a lack of scum indicators. In other words, he continues his slot's position of being null, because I haven't locked onto an unambiguously town or unambiguously scum indicator from him.
sheep has continued to produce content, and my read actually
has
changed there...several times. By which I mean fully ambivalent on him. There are areas where I hard-townread what he was doing, but were followed immediately by areas where I hard-scumread what he was doing, so it's impossible right now to lock him down.Those two reads I imagine
will
change in the future, when I CAN lock them down, similar to how my read on skitter changed from being right in that null pool with them to town. But it hasn't changed yet, because nothing there has changed. My reads change when there is reason for them to change, when there is something that definitively points me in a new direction.And that largely hasn't happened.
Because my conclusions remain the same.
Because nothing has come up that changes said conclusions.
mastina my problem isn't you lacking fluidity on your reads, I know somewhat that when you fix your reads on someone, you stay with that for a while
my problem is that you fixed your reads on page 1 or 2
in Red Flag you had a whole day to fix your reads on and it makes sense you keeping them static there
here you hadn't much to base they on firstly though
maybe it's just a coincidence however
my problem is that you fixed your reads on page 1 or 2
in Red Flag you had a whole day to fix your reads on and it makes sense you keeping them static there
here you hadn't much to base they on firstly though
maybe it's just a coincidence however
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I find it much easier to forgive players when it's revealed that they were scum, working towards their wincon with their push.In post 1316, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:But I’m probably more hurt at tw, regardless.
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I mean, that pretty much tells you everything you need to know, yes!In post 1349, Pink Ball wrote:So in duck's readlist he had Nancy and LolWagons as scum and mastina as null; Nibbui asked him what's up with mastina and he replied that she towntelled because she read him backwards, but that she could go either way. Now that Nancy towntelled, the duck votes mastina.
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You apparently haven't been paying attention if you think the worst is my #1 scumread; that'd be podoboq.In post 1350, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I can’t help get the feeling that Mastina has somehow set up a situation with an artificial 1v1 between tw and myself. Having us as her #1 townread and the worst, as her #1 scumread.
You also apparently haven't been reading my fucking posts, because.
I already fucking answered this. I did no such thing so stop fucking saying I did.She approaches this in a deliberately scummy way
Also false.Neither Mastina’s #1 townread on us or #1 scumread on the worst are ever explained
Read my fucking posts because
.literally nothing you're saying about me is true
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idk; honestly most of what she's saying feels kinda null; like i read through it but i don't have like ai thoughts on itIn post 1435, the worst wrote:ah I worded it badly; I rate the fact you're not going down the meta rabbit hole tho I do think there's certain things you might recognise, it's not all that important vs ingame stuff
do you TR mastina?
why are you voting her?
or why are you scumreading lolwagons?
i don't have any prior experience with lolwagonsIn post 1442, mastina wrote:I feel like skitter does warrant one, but pretending she warranted one from essentially the onset is ridiculous unless your experience with her is on soulread levels. She's quite competent as both alignments and has a style almost identical between them; to read her as town, you need to find the content which is beyond her ability to fake as scum, and that content didn't exist as far as I could tell until much later in her iso than you are saying.
And if she is at all in any way honest with herself, she'd be the first to tell you this.
i think i'm a lot better at town than scum but i'm competant at scum even though i hate playing it passionately. and like i said before generic townie looking walls should not be a reason to townread me; i can fake that/analysis/nuance fairly easily imo
i do think i'm like hilariously out of my scumrange rn tho
his reason for townreading me in 1121 was kinda meh and not a great reason for me
(and i mean it's not like i try to mimic my town posting style as scum or anything)
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yeah these feel kinda bad to me tooIn post 1463, Nibbui wrote:but like, you have a couple of posts saying "if Meph reds", "Lynch Meph today and sort out me/lolwagons tomorrow"
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didn't u say earlier that she kinda does this sort of thing as town?In post 1468, the worst wrote:I still don't see what you're seeing as town in mastina's posts, it's like agenda driving => fear mongering => sweeping holistic theory statements => repeat
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Yes.In post 1377, Nibbui wrote:I think his rage in regards to Mastina is genuine, and he even seems to have deleted a post about Mastina's accusations due to being angry
What makes that town?
Being angry genuinely does not a townie make.
I don't see why.In post 1377, Nibbui wrote:About his reaction on me engaging him, I don't think that scum!Podoboq would have even voted you only to make me still be in the game
I think he would still say the same thing but not vote with me there
Right then! So Nibbui has proven that they really WERE thinking the same way that you were.In post 1379, Pink Ball wrote:I meant that there was too much "mindmelding" and too much convergence on our reads, between you, me, the worst, skitter and I think podoboq too? I said that your lack of paranoia was disturbinh, 'cause back then I was pretty sure that someone was fabricating their reads in order to be part of a townbloc. Now I see I was right: you WERE thinking what I was thinkin, 'cause you came to the conclusion that there must be scum between sheep, the worst and mastina.
And yet there was too much convergence in the reads.
You correctly point out that someone in there was fabricating their reads.
So you're left with {the worst, skitter, podoboq} having at least one faker.
Lemme give you a hint: it's not skitter; I said 'at least' for good reason.
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I can't accurately read mastina imo. but I don't really see her town motivation here and like I can happily be talked outta this but I don't think anyone's convincingly townreading her....?
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plaese do explainIn post 1427, Nibbui wrote:I think the problem with metaing duck is that he is like
very depedent on his energy levels
but I think he has been somewhat scummy for in-game reasons and I can explain
im totally not just looking for reasons to sheep nibbui rn
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Actually.In post 1418, Nibbui wrote:we should make gimmik rap alts guys
I, uh.
I already have one.
In post 1400, LolWagons wrote:Mastina join the TW wagon it’s going places.
Sure thing!In post 1401, the worst wrote:we should cross-vote <3
VOTE: the worst.
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WE ARE GOING TO RAP BATTLE SOMEDAYIn post 1489, mastina wrote:Actually.In post 1418, Nibbui wrote:we should make gimmik rap alts guys
I, uh.
I already have one.
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welpIn post 1490, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i thought about it and... tw could be scum here idk
he's definitely not anywhere near clear by meta anymore and i barely even read those games before being like lolme
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The reason I'm not defending Nancy in spite of the pressure there is, because I was catching up.In post 1438, the worst wrote:like rn she's talking about her townread on NSG which was a pretty forced read ("ooo mystery" isn't like. towny/lassaiz-faire in rvs and realistically is not the kind of thing you look at for a towny solving mindset in rvs, surely, please tell me if you think this is being dumb) and tmi townread of Nancy which she's mostly let sit on the back burner while we actually pushed Nancy but is yelling about now she realises it's not a mislynch
What good does defending against Nancy pressure posted 20 pages ago do, if by the time I'm caught up, it turns out that there's no pressure there? (Which is pretty much...exactly what happened?) I mean, sure. If Nancy were still in danger at this point, you can bet your ass I'd go to her defense, but frankly. Simply put. She isn't. So it's not needed.
I do what I need to do in games, and don't waste time/effort on things I don't need to do. Nancy needs no defense right now, so she doesn't get it. Nancy needed it 20 pages ago...but
I wasn't here 20 pages ago
. So retroactively giving her defense would be just as much a waste of my time as giving a player already mislynched a case on why they are town.I feel that the "obvtown" duck only happens when he is fairly high level energy and engaging everyone in threadIn post 1488, sheepsaysmeep wrote:plaese do explainIn post 1427, Nibbui wrote:I think the problem with metaing duck is that he is like
very depedent on his energy levels
but I think he has been somewhat scummy for in-game reasons and I can explain
im totally not just looking for reasons to sheep nibbui rn
but he is a bit burned down by mafia I think and idk if it's as scummy as it was before the lack of this specific behavior
probably not?
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No.In post 1462, the worst wrote:ari is a scumgod and top tier meta manipulation is his greatest strength
You weren't there for his strongest scumgames.
I was.
As his scum partner, no less.
I actually know the context behind the situation, rather than the meme it's evolved into.
Aristophanes didn't outplay Ellibereth.
He was simply not caught and put in Elli's POE--in Elli's null pile. Ellibereth's town pile which comprised of all but six or seven of the players in that game was 100% entirely correct. Ellibereth's scum pile which comprised of three of the four scum was 100% correct. Aristophanes was one of the three or four names Ellibereth had in the null pile, and had he not eaten the N1 nightkill, Ellibereth would have pushed Ari to death the moment he got the chance. Had the town actually sheeped Ellibereth's reads, that game would've been a town win because Elli instructed them to lynch within the nulls. That the town didn't do so was the fault of the town. Not Ellibereth.
And, mind you.
Aristophanes ended up winning that game not because of
his
posts.But because of
my
post. Specifically, he earned a townread because of where I placed him in my readslist.Aristophanes isn't an atrocious scum player, but he's no god of scumplay; he's getting better, but not to the point where he can fool me.
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