Open 749 | Vengecop - Over!

[JunkoChan]

We can be friends if you get the win for us even after i die to this mess

i dunno..the VCA argument against you is pretty compelling..
my only consolation is if you're town i know you're copping slots who i want to cop anyway..
if you're scum though, im gonna be brokenhearted..

And IIIIII will alwayd loveee youuuu u u u

[Draco Lucky]

@xwing You don't think junko is scum, so I disagree that we have the same reads.

I also don't know why having the same reads means I should town read you.

As to whether or not your frustration feels real, I don't know mate. All I'm really confident on is that junko is scum

-U2

[PenguinPower]

I want Mr. Dr Worm to explain Janko scum to me.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 3.3

Target	Wagon
JunkoChan (3)	BBMolla (806), Dr Worm (817), Dannflor (854)
Dr Worm (1)	JunkoChan (813)
BBMolla (1)	xwing (847)
Not Voting (2)	PenguinPower, Draco Lucky

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-05 05:53:59).

Mod Notes:

xwing is V/LA on weekends.

[Dannflor]

How often does town!RC whiff completely on his reads, I wonder.

-U2

My theory is that RC's initial instincts when he came into the game (particularly in his suspicion towards Dr Worm) were correct, but he started thinking the game was too easy and overthought his reads. I've almost done the same when I've felt the game was too easy, and was wrong to second guess myself. I don't know a ton about RC but he strikes me as the kind of player that might happen too. His case on me largely hinged on Vedith flipping scum, so I feel like he got strongly caught up in his scum!vedith theory and it just skewed his whole view on the game.

that said, i now feel like i can't trust dann this game..
u2 confusion/waffling on my slot comes from a genuine place..im pretty confident of this..
i cant say the same about dann..he has always read me right..might be coz of how i played this game or whatever, but i feel i've played the game as i've always had..
early on the game, he was "cautious" around me, playing buddy and sheeping my votes..and saying words like "at the risk of you thinking im further buddying you..+ town points for paranoia etc etc".. [paraphrased]..
now, i just feel he's taking advantage of u2's susp to turn against me..

I don't really think I've been waffling on your slot. My read has shifted but I've been very transparent on my read on you all game and provided the reasons for why/when it has changed. I'm being especially sure to make sure I revisit my reads and critically evaluate them often this game in large part because of an experience I recently had in another game, Merchant's Daughter, where someone who I'd written off as an easy conf-town early on ended up winning in lylo. Coincidentally, in that game I also read AtE as town indicative when I shouldn't have. I do think your tone and reaction to my mixed read on you is fairly towny, and in tone sounds like the town xwing I know. (though I'm being careful not to put too much stock in this)

I'm confused why you don't trust me because "I've always read you right before?" We've played one game together and I correctly read you in that game yes, but that was also a very easy straightforward game.

Overall, I think it's more likely Dr Worm as a possible partner for Junko than you. Mostly because of this post:

Xwing is one of the few actually addresing the elephant in the room

This + a few other comments she's made about xwing feel like REALLY obvious setup to make xwing look like a potential partner. I think Junko knows she gets lynched 99% of the time here, and this reads far too blatant. If this flips scum, I actually have a really hard time seeing xwing as a partner because of this. It's still

possible

and I guess you could argue WIFOM, but the simpler explanation is that scum!Junko is trying to set up a mislynch here.

[xwing]

@xwing You don't think junko is scum, so I disagree that we have the same reads.

I also don't know why having the same reads means I should town read you.

As to whether or not your frustration feels real, I don't know mate. All I'm really confident on is that junko is scum

-U2

the context about "having the same reads" as you was based on your 858..
anyway, you're right, when i thought about it, having the same reads actually means differently/nothing depending on how you're viewing a particular slot..
so i concede it's basically not a good argument from your pov..oh well..

@dann: maaaaaaan i dunno anymore..your latest post seemed townie and i didnt feel any malice/shading behind it..i cant find something inconsistent or untrue there..i thought we've been in more games but maybe im just recalling wrongly zzzzz.. @_@

[JunkoChan]

It's guy love between 2 guys

[PenguinPower]

I miss Scrubs

[PenguinPower]

The more Dann posts...the more I think he's scum.

[Dannflor]

why

[PenguinPower]

Don't like you trying to explain RC's reads and flow, especially with the "I've done the same" and admission you don't know him well.

Don't like your adjective usage in response to xwing.

Don't like your comment on AtE then using it.

Don't like your association for scum!Mr. Dr Worm.

I want your case for town!molla.

[Dannflor]

BBMolla - So, a couple people have said my argument for BBMolla is just "too wolfy to be wolf" and not a great basis. I guess that's part of it, but I also don't think there's scum motivation in entering the game like he did and not reading the thread. I'm not trying to read effort as alignment indicative, but I do think his initial vote coming into the game comes from a town place, and his lack of detailed followup does not come from a scum place. Scum would want to milk the shit out of that and analyzing people's reactions to his self vote in order to appear towny.

Other than that, I do think there's just some things BBMolla has said that scum just... don't? #173 and #197 are the best examples of this. Don't think scum admits to skimming the thread, at least not so readily. Don't think scum tosses out a free town read on what could be a lynch-baity slot depending on the player list's reactions to Dr Worm.

Oh also the fact that OK was one of the people who tried to invalidate my town read on BBmolla early makes me think it's correct

[PenguinPower]

Anything outside of early game?

[northsidegal]

turns out i already grabbed a spot this page! go look at the votecount right up there!

[Dannflor]

only thing he's done outside of early game is hard push Micc/Junko, which I think is probably scum

[PenguinPower]

Waiting on the vc...but ok.

God I hate being IC.

[Dannflor]

not related to the game at all, but why do you hate IC?

i feel like it would be a fun position

[PenguinPower]

It causes me to lose all motivation because no one questions my reasoning or alignment (which is the primary way I get my reads). I get little to no flack for positions, and am asked for my reads (which I don't do) and stances.

IC in LyLo...sure I can live with that. IC outside LyLo. I hate it.

[xwing]

1. Don't like you trying to explain RC's reads and flow, especially with the "I've done the same" and admission you don't know him well.
2. Don't like your adjective usage in response to xwing.
3. Don't like your association for scum!Mr. Dr Worm.
[snip]

1. why do you think this is scummy?
2. which adjective?
3. what do you mean by this?

also, JC is at L-1..

[JunkoChan]

And yet no hammer has been casted, don't you find it weird?

With such a "compeling" case against me

[JunkoChan]

Even with PP saying that anyone who hammers me is scum

[Draco Lucky]

PP asked for the hammer, and he's an IC. Were it not for this, you would be hammered already.

-U2

[JunkoChan]

Seems like a poor excuse to me

[JunkoChan]

This is me saying you don't have the balls to do it

[Draco Lucky]

If you really just want the day to end, you can always self vote ;P

-U2