Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[Irrelephant11]

Allo discarded one Lyncher card but it’s not impossible Irrelephant has the second.

I still think Elsa should be resolved through Night Actions.

I don’t have a read on you yet. While you haven’t made any bad posts I don’t think you’ve made any that are undoubtedly Town.

Between Elsa and Irrelephant I suspect Elsa is lying but again I think it’s best to let Night Actions deal with them.

You more quietly did the same thing ofrhz pointed out that Lich did
You both believed me but didn’t vote Elsa
Feels like you both knew Elsa was lying but had some plan to keep her alive at night and tried to keep her from getting lynched
I don’t feel like you deserve to be a top tier townread for Lich, either

It might be true this is too early to call but I’m calling what i see because it’s GIM and who knows how long I’ll be alive with a dayvig around u kno

[Irrelephant11]

But yeah fmpov knowing Elsa was lying they both feel sorta informed regarding which of us was telling the truth/their actions didn’t line up with their suspicions

[Irrelephant11]

i think that looking for connections to elsa is a waste of time
especially before we see if he even flips groupscum

Tinfoil hat says alchemist and lynch are groupscum with elsa
I got ~vibes~ in that direction but I only really scumread lich out of the two in isolation (because of ofrhz’s good case)

What links us together in your mind?

Also this is a very soft way to interrogate me on this which might be confías but feels like maybe a “tell me the associations we can avoid in the future” more than a “WTF where do this come from? Random” reaction a townie might have

Like I said I find Lich the scummier of the two but there’s my whole thought because I thought it

[Irrelephant11]

Performer’s posts feel empty, as I’ve said
Davesaz posts feel IIOA-y

Why do you always scumread me?
On a serious note, added shad & irrel to scumreads. The accusation of empty posts & scumreading a townread of mine, is too fishy .

@micc can I get my own pt to document thoughts ?

Why did you townread davesaz

He's been helpful, anyone who looks at his interaction(s) with me & what he's been posting including his vote(s), can see that. So saying it is iioa is fairly eye popping. Maybe I'm biased because this is a large & it's a theme I'm new to, but I'd like as much info as possible.

Tinfoil hat says alchemist and lynch are groupscum with elsa
I got ~vibes~ in that direction but I only really scumread lich out of the two in isolation (because of ofrhz’s good case)

I don't follow.

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@temp why do you have pint listed twice in your list?

I recognize that I tend to scumread you as town but like
I don’t think you should be scumreading me for scumreading you
What do you think you had contributed to solving the game before I called you out for having empty posts?
And also it sounds like you were townreading davesaz for providing information instead of analysis
—> what then do you dislike about me calling out that his posts as IIOA?

[NotMySpamAccount]

Having finished catching up, I'm kinda worried about staying that way, large games are tough. As it is, VOTE: ElsaJay

[Irrelephant11]

UNVOTE:
Until more players participate

[TemporalLich]

I'm still voting Sakura just in case Elsa gets dayvigged.

[Performer]

I recognize that I tend to scumread you as town but like
I don’t think you should be scumreading me for scumreading you

that's part of how I work

What do you think you had contributed to solving the game before I called you out for having empty posts?

you're asking me to say why I'm town?....? It is in my ISO. I've been putting out stances, engaging with people, voting.

And also it sounds like you were townreading davesaz for providing information instead of analysis

there are times when providing info is as good as providing good analysis, and I've stated that him, and even pint has recently. So I've added pint to the tr too. Everybody works differently and the way I work is that information provided can be of use too. Someone useful = being helpful, so that rings townie to me. Case in point - when someone asked who to be vigged, I recommended ej over you.

[Shadowlesscloud]

This game is very overwhelming (then again it's a Large so it's to be expected).

Not doing rainbow reads because oh god that would be too much too soon.

So here's this instead:

Bad Read List:

Townread - Alchemist21, Vedith
Townlean - Irrelephant11, Xtoxm
Neutral - pinturicchio
Contested - Shadowlesscloud
Scumlean - JunkoChan, pinturicchio, ofrhz, davesaz
Scumread - Elsa Jay, Sakura Hana, Performer

What does Contested mean?

[Shadowlesscloud]

why is everyones natural thought being to vote for someone outted as scum before seeing vcs

[TemporalLich]

What does Contested mean?

I'd TR you but because of 611 ofrhz needs to explain the case brought up against you (it's nominally a TR but it could mean you're a spanner in the works).

[Performer]

why is

everyones natural thought

being to vote for someone outted as scum before seeing vcs

That's hilarious that you say this as if it's a fact...but it's not.

Considering you were very wary of me recently, for waiting for a vc because I didn't want some quick hammer to occur.

lesson of the story here: a contradiction
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Rereading ofr's 611, I like it. Adding to town.

[TemporalLich]

tbf the case against me in 611 is fair

[pinturicchio]

Now that you talked about someone not posting yet, Sakura, you reminded me that there are a lot of players who haven't contributed a lot on this dayphase even if we have discussed like one or two relevant things. ofrhz gets a pass 'cause if Elsa flips scum, ofrhz is never her partner because of calling him out on the Judas thing. But where are Blooper, DT and Gamma? I could be forgetting other people too.

The fact that even when talking about the people who aren't posting I can slip by unnoticed is not good. Scum could be lurking. Occam's Razor says Elsa is scum and needs dayvigging, not rope. More to follow maybe.

Hah, I'm sorry, I hit "activity overview" and looked at the people at the bottom of the list

[ofrhz]

What does Contested mean?

I'd TR you but because of 611 ofrhz needs to explain the case brought up against you (it's nominally a TR but it could mean you're a spanner in the works).

A "jic" type thing ig. Doesn't change the point though

I’m not seeing the point you’re trying to make then I guess

I think you pushing Elsa was

towny

since you were going against the grain in a sense

What case?

I explicitly said shadow was towny in 611

[pinturicchio]

What does Contested mean?

I'd TR you but because of 611 ofrhz needs to explain the case brought up against you (it's nominally a TR but it could mean you're a spanner in the works).

A "jic" type thing ig. Doesn't change the point though

I’m not seeing the point you’re trying to make then I guess

I think you pushing Elsa was

towny

since you were going against the grain in a sense

What case?

I explicitly said shadow was towny in 611

tbf the case against me in 611 is fair

I think he got it by now

[TemporalLich]

What case?

I explicitly said shadow was towny in 611

and I even said it was nominally a TR i.e. it's at least stated to be a townread at face value

I’m not seeing the point you’re trying to make then I guess

I think you pushing Elsa was towny since

you were going against the grain in a sense

Bolded for emphasis in case you don't see what I'm thinking could be a scum case against Shadowless.

[Performer]

Rereading ofr's 611, I like it. Adding to town.

Oh and just to be clear, I was saying I liked his analysis, it felt like it came from a town mindset....not saying I agree with both of his reads there though.

[davesaz]

I think you need to reread my post

dude you ltierally said I was blending in and Shadowless was "going against the grain in a sense".

I read that as being a scumread on you (for blending in) and a townread on Shadowless (going against the grain).
Because scum don't want to make waves, where town don't mind doing that.

[davesaz]

Now that you talked about someone not posting yet, Sakura, you reminded me that there are a lot of players who haven't contributed a lot on this dayphase even if we have discussed like one or two relevant things. ofrhz gets a pass 'cause if Elsa flips scum, ofrhz is never her partner because of calling him out on the Judas thing. But where are Blooper, DT and Gamma? I could be forgetting other people too.

The fact that even when talking about the people who aren't posting I can slip by unnoticed is not good. Scum could be lurking. Occam's Razor says Elsa is scum and needs dayvigging, not rope. More to follow maybe.

Minor +town for this.

[Xtoxm]

perf shotgun reads on shadow, junko, sakura, irre, alchemist?

[ofrhz]

I still don’t see how that’s a scum case

Ftr going against the grain can be difficult for scum to do psychologically because it attracts attention.

@temporal

[pinturicchio]

I think you need to reread my post

dude you ltierally said I was blending in and Shadowless was "going against the grain in a sense".

I read that as being a scumread on you (for blending in) and a townread on Shadowless (going against the grain).
Because scum don't want to make waves, where town don't mind doing that.

You always have the best way for explaining things. I like it.

Now that you talked about someone not posting yet, Sakura, you reminded me that there are a lot of players who haven't contributed a lot on this dayphase even if we have discussed like one or two relevant things. ofrhz gets a pass 'cause if Elsa flips scum, ofrhz is never her partner because of calling him out on the Judas thing. But where are Blooper, DT and Gamma? I could be forgetting other people too.

The fact that even when talking about the people who aren't posting I can slip by unnoticed is not good. Scum could be lurking. Occam's Razor says Elsa is scum and needs dayvigging, not rope. More to follow maybe.

Minor +town for this.

And minor +town for noticing this too.

[TemporalLich]

I still don’t see how that’s a scum case

Ftr going against the grain can be difficult for scum to do psychologically because it attracts attention.

@temporal

alright it's decided you have no case against Shadowless.

Not sure how that's town in your eyes though.

[davesaz]

Davesaz posts feel IIOA-y

This makes me feel like you're only reading some of my posts.