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[Farren]

Then say why and put down a vote. Just stating it like this is meaningless.

i dislike ur progression on norwegian, i'm contemplating putting down a vote, and i disagree that stating it like this is meaningless

Going to review that progression myself before I inquire further on that.

Given the 800 pound gorilla in the background, I'm not drawing any conclusions about the lack of a vote.

I can think of a couple of possible meanings to stating the bald read.

skitter, what was yours?

[skitter30]

Sorry i'm not sure i understand the question you're asking

[Farren]

Sorry, should have made it clear.

skitter: what was your intent behind stating the scumread on Micc in post 538 without further details?

[Farren]

I've reviewed Micc's progression on Norwegian.

I can see at least one thing I will probably want to follow up on, but I need to chew on it for a bit. It's not directly related to the progression itself, though. That seems fine. What about the progression do you dislike?

[Micc]

i dislike ur progression on norwegian, i'm contemplating putting down a vote, and i disagree that stating it like this is meaningless

Feel free to expand on what you disliked and I have no problem addressing it. I'm still not sure what you were hoping to achieve by telling me that you're scumreading me. Please explain how it had meaning.

[Farren]

Micc:

At first I just wanted to give clarification, but now it feels like you were just trying to jump in and throw shade at me or pick a fight...

What did you think scum|Norwegian's motivation was for shading you and/or picking a fight with you?

Also, these thoughts don’t go together naturally. The unreasonable fear of “veterans” seems to come from a place of knowing that none are on his team (scum mindset), when it’s equally reasonable for him to hope they are on his team (Town mindset).

464 and 471 were the two being referenced in the spoiler. To me, it didn't seem like those two posts were supposed to be connected at all. Saying they don't go together naturally doesn't make any sense to me. Take two posts about unconnected topics; I wouldn't expect them to go together naturally no matter what alignment. Why was this scum-indicative?

Plus I didn't see how that connects to the fear about veterans. 471 was a follow-up on 456, which connects; 464 didn't seem to mesh at all with this. Was that supposed to be separate from the rest of the argument? If not, how does it tie in?

[Plotinus]

official vote count 2.01

baby meerkat

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Mr Oobsy

(1): Micc

Not Voting

(6): Mr Oobsy, Chemist1422, Jamelia, Leucosticte, Farren, skitter30

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-11 08:15:00).

Mod notes:

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[skitter30]

Sorry, should have made it clear.

skitter: what was your intent behind stating the scumread on Micc in post 538 without further details?

A) i'm in a pithy posting phase
B) it generates discussion

I'm not sure why it's bothering people so much that i didnt give details

[skitter30]

I've reviewed Micc's progression on Norwegian.

I can see at least one thing I will probably want to follow up on, but I need to chew on it for a bit. It's not directly related to the progression itself, though. That seems fine. What about the progression do you dislike?

I couldnt really get him to vote norweigian earlier in the phase, but he cast the l1 vote pretty easily/uncautiously. It felt bandwagon-y to me

For the record, i've seen mr oobsey online multiple times yesterday

[Farren]

A) i'm in a pithy posting phase
B) it generates discussion

I'm not sure why it's bothering people so much that i didnt give details

B) was what I was suspecting.

Why it might bother people:

You'd already stated that same read during twilight of D1 - without details. Stating it again here doesn't add any new content. Could be scum - hoping that if you repeats an untruth often enough, people will start believing it.

Except - you haven't done that anywhere near enough times to get to that point. Plus, night shut the game down in between when you last said it and now. Raising it as a discussion point again is not unreasonable, given how long night runs here; it's the same thing I did bringing up my question to Leucosticte from D1. Something that might slip between the cracks after yesterday's hammer. Plus it serves as a reaction test, the way you did it.

[Farren]

For the record, i've seen mr oobsey online multiple times yesterday

At this point, I will be surprised if he shows up and defends himself.

[Farren]

Chemist: what are your game thoughts right now that do not involve Mr Oobsy?

[Farren]

Partner-y, I'm deferring judgement until either Mr Oobsy makes an appearance or the prod timer gets triggered.

It's been 36 hours since Dawn. Looking back on D1:

Spoiler: Leucosticte on Oobsy:

- 48: votes Oobsy due to inactivity.
- 164: reaffirms that vote, shifts reason to Mr Oobsy's failure to vote.
- 175: says Mr Oobsy was cool at first but disapproves of Oobsy's naked vote on him. Thinks Oobsy is VT but a possible liability. (Note - Oobsy claimed VT in his first post.)
- 303: moves vote to Chemist; no comment on Oobsy here.

Spoiler: Oobsy on Leucosticte:

- 84: mentions Leucosticte's vote without naming Leucosticte.
- 87: strong townread on Leucosticte due to sincerity.
- 103: reiterates townread on Leucosticte.
- 132: asks skitter why she townreads Leucosticte and Oobsy, and why she thinks I'm suspicious.
- 172: Votes Leucosticte, no reason.
- 178: Parrots back what Leucosticte said in 175 (the VT but possible liability part).
- 185: moves vote to me, complains that D1 voting is random.
- 438: back to a strong townread on Leucosticte.

Oobsy's progression on Leucosticte is just bizarre. How do you go from sincerity to voting with a parroted line back to sincerity again?

The parroting is the weirdest part of all. That's probably the part that most rings of scum/scum interaction. Like something was scripted and misunderstood in scumchat?
Oobsy's question to skitter in 132. It wouldn't seem weird at all, except - it's the only set of questions that Oobsy asked during D1 about anyone's reads or opinions. Why does that in particular catch his eye above everything else?

I can see partner-y.

[Farren]

VOTE: Mr Oobsy

[Plotinus]

Mr Oobsy¹ has been prodded. They have (expired on 2019-09-06 16:43:50) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[Mr Oobsy]

I hammered

NorwegianBoyEE

because I knew he wasn't a power role. I knew he wasn't a power role because I am the last power role. I am

Town Tracker

, and I left a breadcrumb in my first post:

I am a

Vanilla Townie

, and I've been keeping track

I tried to secretly communicate this to

Dyrenz

using

Detective Pikachu

references, since his avatar is

Detective Pikachu

:

it was not my intention to snub Micc. I may look grumpy on the outside, but I assure you I am adorable on the inside. Just trying to help you understand what type of player I am.

Snubbull? He may look grumpy on the outside, but i assure you he is adorable on the inside.

I was trying to get

Dyrenz

to realize I was insinuating I am a dog, because the wiki illustrates my role as a bloodhound. I knew that even if I failed, I would have at least left another breadcrumb.

The main reason I fake-claimed

Vanilla Townie

was simply to avoid being nightkilled. Last night I followed

skitter30

and he targeted nobody. I do not believe

Mafia

would have risked targeting someone who had a

50%

chance of being protected by a

Jailkeeper

, so I must conclude that somehow

Mafia

suspected I was likely

Tracker

, either from my breadcrumbs or by how convinced I was that

Dyrenz

was really

Friendly Neighbor

.

Since successfully killing

Dyrenz

would further confirm to the

Mafia

I am

Tracker

not

Jailkeeper

, they would be reluctant to vote me, since

Town

would try to lynch me by themselves anyway.

Micc

and

Farren

voted for me.

skitter30

did not target anyone last night. I still believe

Leucosticte

is

Town

.

That means

Chemist1422

and

Jamelia

are

Mafia

.

In memory of

Dyrenz

, I choose to lynch

Jamelia

before

Chemist1422

, since that was his choice:

VOTE: Jamelia

Oobsy's progression on Leucosticte is just bizarre. How do you go from sincerity to voting with a parroted line back to sincerity again?

I thought the reason he gave for voting me was dumb and applied equally to him as it did to me. So, I voted him back and used his own reasoning against him (literally). I am surprised he never noticed I copied and pasted his own words.

[Mr Oobsy]

I checked this thread today several times without posting because I was waiting to see who would vote me.

[skitter30]

I hammered NorwegianBoyEE because I knew he wasn't a power role. I knew he wasn't a power role because I am the last power role

Ok but he might still have been (and was!) town, the fact that you didnt think he was a pr is not remotely a good reason to lolhammer like that, especially since we werent ready for the day to end

And from your pov i can be scum who didnt perform the kill last night, tracker innos with two scum alive dont mean anything

[skitter30]

Since successfully killing Dyrenz would further confirm to the Mafia I am Tracker not Jailkeeper, they would be reluctant to vote me, since Town would try to lynch me by themselves anyway.

Micc and Farren voted for me. skitter30 did not target anyone last night. I still believe Leucosticte is Town.

That means Chemist1422 and Jamelia are Mafia.

I'm not sure i believe this claim
And i'm not sure i follow this logic

[Mr Oobsy]

NorwegianBoyEE

was voted for basically no reason. Claiming

Vanilla Townie

would not have convinced anyone to unvote, and I was ready for day to end. I saw an opportunity to make myself so suspicious that I would not be nightkilled, while simultaneously ending the day so I could not be lynched, so I took it.

Yes, it's true that you could theoretically be a

Mafia Role Cop

who targeted nobody. But I doubt it.

Since successfully killing Dyrenz would further confirm to the Mafia I am Tracker

And i'm not sure i follow this logic

I meant if

Mafia

suspected that I hinted I was

Tracker

, the fact

Dyrenz

was not jailed has confirmed their suspicions (since the last power role had to be either

Jailkeeper

or

Tracker

). So they would deliberately not vote me, predicting I am so suspicious that

Town

would vote me by themselves, and that I would then claim

Tracker

, and then get unvoted, and they could then point out that they did not vote me, gaining credibility for themselves.

[skitter30]

Right, i forgot the rolecop was the scum pr

Your logic is so convoluted that it almost comes around to being townie again

[Micc]

UNVOTE:

Not counterclaiming.

[Micc]

Micc:

At first I just wanted to give clarification, but now it feels like you were just trying to jump in and throw shade at me or pick a fight...

What did you think scum|Norwegian's motivation was for shading you and/or picking a fight with you?

I find that players who are new to playing scum are pretty quick to throw in jabs that discredit or show up town players. It's not scum motivated in the sense that it furthers the scum win condition, but more in that its beneficial to scum to disrupt the loud voices in the town and their influence on the game. There's less of an incentive for town to do this, generally only for strong 1v1 battles which wasn't the case here.

I don't see a purpose for his post 481 besides to make me look like the bad guy for considering him as a lynch candidate. It certainly sticks out in the context of a) him not being a part of the conversation and b) me defending him not being the topic of the conversation.

Also, these thoughts don’t go together naturally. The unreasonable fear of “veterans” seems to come from a place of knowing that none are on his team (scum mindset), when it’s equally reasonable for him to hope they are on his team (Town mindset).

464 and 471 were the two being referenced in the spoiler. To me, it didn't seem like those two posts were supposed to be connected at all. Saying they don't go together naturally doesn't make any sense to me. Take two posts about unconnected topics; I wouldn't expect them to go together naturally no matter what alignment. Why was this scum-indicative?

Plus I didn't see how that connects to the fear about veterans. 471 was a follow-up on 456, which connects; 464 didn't seem to mesh at all with this. Was that supposed to be separate from the rest of the argument? If not, how does it tie in?

Either you believe in "meta" being something worth considering while making decisions in the current game or you don't. Post 464 is indicative of him not trusting meta as being relevant because (presumably veteran) scum players can use it to their advantage. Post 471 a meta based argument that he's using to justify his vote. I think these thoughts show an inconsistent approach to the use of meta, which can be a sign of scum players who are grasping for evidence to support the direction they want to vote as opposed to town players who ideally are following a consistent and defined thought process to lead them to their votes.

The post about fearing veterans is more of a general observation and not tied to the spoilered quotes, but I can understand how my post is confusing in that manor.

[Micc]

I saw an opportunity to make myself so suspicious that I would not be nightkilled, while simultaneously ending the day so I could not be lynched, so I took it.

It is incredibly selfish to "protect" yourself in this manor by robbing the rest of the players of an opportunity to make meaningful reads. Assuming you're town here, you've wasted all the power given to you with your role with the way that you've played it. Please don't do it again.

[Farren]

UNVOTE: Mr Oobsy

I also do not counterclaim Mr Oobsy.

Micc, I see your response; thank you. I will respond to it at a later time.

I am going to refrain from addressing Mr Oobsy's claim further unless a counterclaim arises.