Baton Pass [Game Over!]

[Wisdom]

Anyway, now that I had my fun with lollogic, I'll talk about reads now.

There were actually few things that pinged me re: Shoshin.

1. She showed confidence on reading RC and then, well, just assumed that RC is town this game. Last time I played with town her she was going all out trying to continuously sort RC. This plus voting CC for protection looks like it could be trying to buddy up to avoid conflict with RC. Because RC tends to bite less if you don't call him scum ya know?

2. The timing on her vote change.
Now not too long before her switch, RC posted things that could possibly indicate that he was not townreading Shoshin.

I think that Shoshin is 100% not going to die N1.

Shoshin definitely shouldn’t die but statistically, we’re still the most likely to get shot.

I suppose that I could be doing both but I'm not doing both because

I have a specific scumread in mind and I don't feel like pursuing other people until I spend more time on them.

Now I don't know if RC actually meant Shoshin here, but I think it is very plausible that someone as self-conscious as Shoshin would definitely pick them up as a red flag.
Scum-Shoshin would now want RC slot dead, hence moving her vote away from RC.
Like, the timing is just way too perfect for it to be coincidence.

Don’t these two points contradict one another?

yep thats what i thought too
if she wanted not to provoke rc the vote change doesnt make sense

[Oh]

Wisdom is discrediting me because he wants to shit on me and is playing to an agenda.

I didn't say that literally at no point in any game did I ever incorrectly scumread or townread her. I said I've had the same pattern wrt being damn sure that she was scum early and in 1 case I decided to try to hunt her partner, then succeeded but was unable to lynch her partner because the other two town scumread each other and in the other case I had a bunch of idiots attacking my ability to read her and calling me anti-town to the point that I stopped wanting to play.

Neither of these describe BoP?

[Celestial Coordinates]

That's probably a good idea.

This said while I wasn't scumreading her. Etc. Note how commonplace it is for her in our recent few games to essentially say that if I end up voting her I'm scum.
She's scum and she's not the only scum player who is going all out discrediting me right now.

[Oversoul]

Gay Dance, how familiar are you with Shoshin as either alignment?

[Shoshin]

Like Shoshin’s unvote isn’t bad in a vacuum it’s the fact that she votes herself after earlier stating she’s not worth it to BP. The logic she uses to justify the vote is contradictory in my opinion.

I never said I'm not worth a bulletproof. I've been pretty clear about saying that I'm a preferable choice to RC from the beginning.

[Shoshin]

You scumread me, Oversoul? You should know better. There's no way I pick up my role PM in this game if I'm scum. RC should know better too.

[Shoshin]

This is my last game for the next two years. I'm not wasting it on a scum game.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Wisdom is discrediting me because he wants to shit on me and is playing to an agenda.

I didn't say that literally at no point in any game did I ever incorrectly scumread or townread her. I said I've had the same pattern wrt being damn sure that she was scum early and in 1 case I decided to try to hunt her partner, then succeeded but was unable to lynch her partner because the other two town scumread each other and in the other case I had a bunch of idiots attacking my ability to read her and calling me anti-town to the point that I stopped wanting to play.

Neither of these describe BoP?

Wanting to find her partner was BoP, public cop I was just too tired from badtown shitting on my correct read to pursue it.
Honestly I'm getting to the same point in this game where I don't really care if this is a loss if townies let themselves be convinced that I'm an arrogant moron despite how many statistical measures show my competence.

You scumread me, Oversoul? You should know better. There's no way I pick up my role PM in this game if I'm scum. RC should know better too.

You're essentially claiming that you should be spewed town by the fact that you didn't ignore the role PM. It's a stupid and dishonest claim.

This is my last game for the next two years. I'm not wasting it on a scum game.

Right.

[Oh]

Nevermind.
For some reason I remember you town reading Shoshin in BoP, but you scum read her through all of it. My bad.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Nevermind.
For some reason I remember you town reading Shoshin in BoP, but you scum read her through all of it. My bad.

never townread her. she fluctuated from null to scum but my attitude was always look for most likely non-her player to be scum. as soon as we had first set of flips, I repeatedly expressed 100% surety she was scum, etc.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Nevermind.
For some reason I remember you town reading Shoshin in BoP, but you scum read her through all of it. My bad.

never townread her. she fluctuated from null to scum but my attitude was always look for most likely non-her player to be scum. as soon as we had first set of flips, I repeatedly expressed 100% surety she was scum, etc.

[Shoshin]

That's probably a good idea.

This said while I wasn't scumreading her. Etc. Note how commonplace it is for her in our recent few games to essentially say that if I end up voting her I'm scum.
She's scum and she's not the only scum player who is going all out discrediting me right now.

This was very obviously a joke on my part. The last time I played with GIF, who I was speaking to at the time, you were scum & I was town. And you were about to lynch me. The point was that if he followed your reads, he was probably going to lose.

[Wisdom]

There's no way I pick up my role PM in this game if I'm scum

?
You cant know youre scum before you pick up your role pm
or you mean confirm

[Shoshin]

I mean confirm.

[Celestial Coordinates]

This was very obviously a joke on my part. The last time I played with GIF, who I was speaking to at the time, you were scum & I was town. And you were about to lynch me. The point was that if he followed your reads, he was probably going to lose.

If RC actually pushes my lynch here, he's scum.

you've said this many times in many different ways over many different games to the point of me getting salty over it prematurely so...

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

Gay Dance, how familiar are you with Shoshin as either alignment?

Not much but I know enough to know that she's a self-conscious player.
I'm a self-conscious player myself so it's easier for me to guess what she'd do in certain situations.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Very difficult for me to take that as anything besides a hard scumclaim. I've seen Shoshin push the logic that she's confirmed town for picking up the role PM before as town but in that game she used it based on the fact that the game took several weeks to start and she would have just been done the game if she was scum, not based on the logic that literally her being present in a game was confirmation that she was town.

Anyway, we can kill Wisdom Gameplay or something along those lines for first baton pass instead and almost certainly get at least one scum with a lot less mental effort from me and I'd be good with that.

[Gay Dance Gone Wrong]

yep thats what i thought too
if she wanted not to provoke rc the vote change doesnt make sense

I don't see how this is so contradictory.
Shoshin tries method A.
Method A doesn't work.
Move on to Method B.

[Oversoul]

People are approaching this game very differently than how I thought they would. Maybe I’m the not normal one. :thonk:

Out

[Celestial Coordinates]

I think scum Shoshin being wary that she's my secret scumread and no longer willing to risk keeping me alive to D2 for towncred that may never come is a really obvious progression.
I also kinda feel like Wisdom is being fed games to cite and use as reasoning.

People are approaching this game very differently than how I thought they would. Maybe I’m the not normal one. :thonk:

Out

This is a weird as fuck lobby tbh and it's hard to find townreads because of it.

[Wisdom]

gameplay s_s yukzuk

who opposes killing those three

[Wisdom]

I also kinda feel like Wisdom is being fed games to cite and use as reasoning.

i searched and grabbed the first result that came up

[Celestial Coordinates]

I also kinda feel like Wisdom is being fed games to cite and use as reasoning.

i searched and grabbed the first result that came up

and you didn't read enough to notice that I only scumread her because she 0 posted and the read changed when she stopped 0 posting?

[Celestial Coordinates]

like, you're straight up dishonestly pushing an RC's reads suck agenda. that's a demonstrable fact. what does it say about your alignment? i mean it should say you're scum but who really knows tbh

[Something_Smart]

You scumread me, Oversoul? You should know better. There's no way I pick up my role PM in this game if I'm scum. RC should know better too.

I kinda hope you wouldn't break site rules?