Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[mastina]

Okay, so.
Xayah is confscum. We know this due to the fact that scum got a doublekill last night and the scum decided to kill both the other people spared (not to mention the fact that scum chose to spare Xayah in the first place).

I investigated Chemist last night and got an innocent result.

Which means that the scumteam is either Xayah/Elements or Xayah/Oversoul.

It should be pretty obvious which one I believe is the case.
HURT: Xayah

Kinda flabbergasted the scum didn't choose to force-lynch me and didn't nightkill me tho because frankly I thought everyone figured out I was the cop?

^Pagetopping this.

[mastina]

(For the record my plan was to spare Oversoul and use that as one investigation, then cop Xayah--when Xayah was spared tho, I opted for the coinflip in Chemist/Elements. I was confident Oversoul was town then and while I am obligated to have doubts, I still am fairly confident in it now.)

[mastina]

For the record: we lynch the confscum Xayah today and then I eat the nightkill so it won't be my decision tomorrow between Elements/Oversoul but I have a strong preference for it being Elements as the final scum. Plenty of evidence for that, too. Like this.

Did everyone decide this game had no rvs and not tell me?

why are people still tring this?

If we had to lynch, id go for nacho, xayah, or elements.

(I mean we know Wisdom was 1-1 here, the question is whether he was 2-1 or 1-2, and I favor him being 2-1 due to trusting in his competency.)

Lets not spare Elements or Wisdom.

I don't like Elements anymore.

These kills all seem to have something in common......

[mastina]

For the record, in Xayah's iso, her interactions between Oversoul and Elements are, unfortunately, fairly similar, but of the two, her interactions with Elements look far more buddy-buddy than her interactions with Oversoul.

[mastina]

Actually reading Elements's iso:
1: It is godawful. Go read it yourself, it's utterly devoid of anything.
2: This looks like the same scum Elements I saw from Make Me Regret This UPick in how devoid it is of sustenance.
3: Elements's read trajectory on Xayah screams scumbuddy in that he barely interacted with her, his interactions were fairly fake, he distanced but avoided bussing, and then conveniently forgot altogether he even HAD a Xayah scumread where she disappeared from his suspect list for no discernible reason.

Pretty much all the cards are there.

[mastina]

Also, while Oversoul's iso is, sadly, mostly devoid of Xayah content and nothing he's posted strongly screams "not her scumbuddy", overall when isoing him his content/contributions throughout the whole game just look a lot more town.

[mastina]

Spare Votecount 3.3>

Oversoul ------

(3)

Oversoul, Nachomamma8, mastina

Wisdom --------

(1)

Xayah

Not sparing:

- (3) Elements, Wisdom, Chemist1422

Fight Votecount 3.3>

Nachomamma8 -

(4)

Wisdom, Elements, Xayah, Chemist1422

Not Fighting:

- (3) mastina, Nachomamma8, Wisdom

Oversoul was also the one not on the godawful Nacho lynch wagon.

Ginngie -------

(5)

Wisdom, Xayah, Nymph, Elements, Ginngie

Not sparing:

- (3) Nachomamma8, mastina, Chemist1422[/area]

Fight Votecount 2.<3

mastina -

(2)

Nymph, Nachomamma8

Not Fighting:

- (7) mastina, Ginngie, Xayah, Oversoul, Wisdom, Chemist1422, Elements

Notably, Elements has voted with Xayah twice; Oversoul has been not voting with Xayah twice.

So then the question you'd have to ask would be; would the scum avoid voting together to try and not attract suspicion, or would the scum try to make sure that the wagons THEY want to go through, go through, in a game where scum desperately need every edge that they can get? I lean towards the latter.

[mastina]

Also, since I don't trust y'all to understand WHY Xayah is confscum,

Neutral Route:

If at least one player was Spared and at least one player was Fought, the game enters the Neutral Ending. All Spared players rejoin the game, and the number of Spared mafia members (but not their identities) is revealed.

The mafia get one kill on Night 4,

plus one more if a mafia member was Spared

.

Last night, if the spare PT had no scum in it, then the mafia would have only gotten one kill.

For the mafia to get two kills, they needed to have had a mafiate spared.

Xayah has been

spared.

Xayah was spared.

It is now Night 4, night actions are due in 48 hours

(mafia don't get additional time for the additional kill):

(expired on 2019-11-05 20:06:42) [/color]

The mod announced that scum got a doublekill here--by announcing scum got a doublekill here, the mod was announcing that one scum was spared.

Rakan and Ginngie have been nightkilled. They were vanilla town.

A fact confirmed by the deaths of both Rakan and Ginngie.

Rakan and Ginngie were the other two members of the spare PT.
There was guaranteed to be one scum in the three spared, due to the double kill.
Xayah was spared.

So between these facts.
I hope it is clear to you that Xayah is literally modconfirmed scum and I don't need to pull out hairs trying to convince you of this.

Today, we are NOT going to try and find the final scum. We are going to lynch the confirmed scum.

While I BELIEVE that Elements is the final scum--there's a shitload of evidence supporting this and very little suggesting it's Oversoul--we lynch the confscum, Xayah, today, and then tomorrow Oversoul and Elements present their cases to whoever the scum in them left alive.

[mastina]

wisdom focus on Elements

I cite everything regarding elements, latest post about mastina is what I believe

I want elements to explain his transitions of his reads and citing evidence

Spoiler:

yeah lets spare rakan

spare rakan cmon. Just 3 days left.

Otherwise ill switch to chennis.

Pushing for the Rakan spare with three days to go and acting like there's no time.

Constantly saying he doesn't want to be spared. The first time, fine you want to contribute, the next however many times combined with "i want pacifist" trying hard to be townread and become the de facto 5th spare to win scum the game.

Spoiler: Elements heals Rakan literally the next post after Wisdom says to heal Rakan

spare rakan cmon. Just 3 days left.

Otherwise ill switch to chennis.

Wisdom don't want to be slung into the spared PT
HEAL: rakan

Spoiler: Then later advocates for the Rakan heal, and has Wisdom as his top townread

also rakan heal yourself

Town

Wisdom

He actively sheeps his top town read and then goes on to declare his top townread is his scum read for the plan he fucking sheeped.

DONT FORGET that this occurs because he tried to scum read me for having TMI in a post, everyone said no and he backed off immediately.

The slot, and deepest apologizes to chenn, is not fucking town.

lynch Elements tomorrow
There's just no way

These are also relevant to why I lean Elements as being the final scum over Oversoul.

[Elements]

HURT: xayah
Mastina, before xayah was spared who did you think was scum?

[Elements]

HURT: pops

[Oversoul]

Oh nice then it is Elements. I’m pretty much conftown since they didn’t put me into the spare group despite me being the most likely spare

[Oversoul]

As scum if we were just gonna spare scum and then kill the spare room, then I would have made sure it was me in that situation. Especially if my partner is maria who is much better at scum

[Oversoul]

Selfishly I just want to go for the win today because of my 3p LyLo ptsd from baton Pass where I got lynched despite being obvtown but I know that’s not gonna happen. *sigh*

[mastina]

HURT: xayah
Mastina, before xayah was spared who did you think was scum?

Before Xayah was spared, I thought it was you + Chemist.
To answer your question of, "if only one of me/Chemist were scum who would be more likely scum between Xayah/Rakan?", my answer was going to be Xayah, because I believed in the NKA for why Rakan was town.

As scum if we were just gonna spare scum and then kill the spare room, then I would have made sure it was me in that situation. Especially if my partner is maria who is much better at scum

While I believe you are town, Oversoul, to play devil's advocate, I should mention that regardless of who is scum in you/Elements, sparing Xayah was a mistake.

Xayah was more likely to endgame than you, but she was also more likely to endgame than Elements, too. Making her be confscum was just a misplay regardless of who was scum--so was deciding to spare a scum in the first place rather than just mislynching someone and going for a single kill to be honest. (Mislynching someone + a single nightkill = still two scum-controlled deaths, except town isn't given a confscum from it. Whereas sparing scum into a doublekill = two scum-controlled deaths, at the expense of outing the spared scum as being scum.)

Optimal scum play would've been forcing a mislynch then using a nightkill.
The second-most optimal scumplay would've been sparing the non-Xayah scum who was unlikely to endgame and relying on Xayah's strength as a scum player to see her through. (Not that that'd have worked since I'd have investigated her if given the chance and made her be confscum from it, but IN THEORY this was the smarter play than what they went with.)

So regardless of who is scum in you/Elements, the scumteam made a massive misplay in making the least-optimal choice in their actions.

That having been said: given your experience as a player versus Elements's experience as a player, I find it MORE LIKELY that Elements would make this sort of misplay than you would, so while this isn't evidence for you being town in the way you

think

it is, I STILL think that it IS evidence for you being town, just...for different reasons.

[Elements]

That having been said: given your experience as a player versus Elements's experience as a player, I find it MORE LIKELY that Elements would make this sort of misplay than you would

I feel personally attacked and offended by this.

[Xayah]

HURT: Xayah

[popsofctown]

Minimalist VC: 2 voters, mastina and Xayah, are voting for Xayah to be fought.

Overdue flavor first, then a real VC

[Elements]

I have gone through Xayah's iso and found the scum master plan! The scum game plan was for Xaylah to push "Chem/ele/over" as the potential scum to lead to a mislynch at mylo within that group to end the game. This makes the Xayah spare make a lot of sense. It takes out the otherwise confirmed town early giving less time for them to help discuss the game state and forces the important decision to be made.

Now, you may be saying "But elements that incriminates you as much as oversoul" and by itself, yes it does. However, Xayah started to lead oversoul out from that as the game went on trying to paint oversoul in the more favourable light before the clinch moment.

Spoiler: Torn Notebook

Setting up the chem/ele/over endgame options

I feel like when I read into anything Chen/Ele/Oversoul are saying in regards to each other it’s like a clique talking in girl talk about meta I have no idea about. So you guys having reads on them has me ???

That seems like Ele/Chem/Oversoul from what I can tell. So I blame them~

Starting to distance oversoul from the group.

Really as long as Chem Ele don't get spared I'm okay with things atm. I guess Oversoul too

Xayah, why are you now comfortable townreading me when you were not before? If I'm not mistaken, wasn't I a stronger scumread for you?

I thought scum was in you Chem/Ele for some time now. But the day before when Wisdom was going on about how you and Nacho were a team and Nacho made this case. I figured the best way for me to get information was to vore Nacho. If he flipped scum then yay he was scum. If he flipped town than you're probably town. I've always had a hard time reading you. In the dance game I thought you were town when you were scum. So, I'm going to trust in Nacho and hopefully in others. I also feel better about this because it's basically a cop check fmpov. Since I'm confident in Rakan and Ginngie town.

I want to know why people townread Mastina.
I've had a scumread on Chem for most of the game and it hasn't really faded. For Elements some people say he's in his town meta but I just don't get his play. It pings me. So to say I townread you would be wrong. I think you're townier than the options left.

This post was modified from its original form in a use of mod discretion. It is almost certain Elements intended to use pop-open spoiler tags, but even if he didn't I would be interested in taking some kind of action because {spoiler} tags have known issues with mobile viewing and it is important for all slots to maintain equal access to game content.
A totally unaltered form of this post was posted in the mod PT and can be reposted if somehow necessary

Pop-open spoiler tags require some type of title and Elements' BBCode error is not providing one at all, so as an "NAI" title the Undertale item "Torn Notebook" is his pop-open title.
-popsofctown

[popsofctown]

Fight Votecount 4.0

Elements -----

mastina -

Xayah -

(2)

mastina, Xayah

Oversoul ----

Chemist1422 -

Not Fighting:

- (3) Elements, Oversoul, Chemist1422

Xayah was aghast at the deaths of Ginngie and Rakan. Ginngie, who had always spoken positively and supportively of Xayah's local power. And Rakan, a vulnerable soul that was exactly the person Xayah needed to protect. And if their strengths were reversed, someone Xayah knew would protect her.
"I have lost all my honor. It's my time to go," she said solemnly. She planted her favorite spear in a knot in a tree, and stepped forward until the point lightly poked her chest.
"You said never to watch an episode of Mew Mew: Kissy Cutie without you, Rakan. And this way, I most certainly won't," she said, holding her determined gaze forwards.


(expired on 2019-11-12 23:06:42)

[popsofctown]

post 870

has now been amended to include flavor.

[Chemist1422]

Intent to hammer

[Elements]

Intent to hammer

Why chemist why!

[Chemist1422]

Intent to hammer

Why chemist why!

Maybe because the self-vote was basically a scumclaim?

Unless mastina has any more thoughts she wants to get out

[Elements]

Intent to hammer

Why chemist why!

Maybe because the self-vote was basically a scumclaim?

She was already confirmed scum