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[jjh927]

VOTE: kerset

This whole interaction has been enlightening

[PenguinPower]

Reundo replaces Gamma Emerald.

[Kerset]

Sure yesterday you put me as town. After i pointed your flaw in scumhunting, you suddenly found enough content to turn this upside down.

[jjh927]

Like, the things you targeted as "generalisations" were completely irrelevant to what I was talking about and furthermore, what exactly is "my side" in this? Because I'm pretty sure an Alisae post in which e votes Mastina is directly opposed to my side of this whole argument. I think that's actually the side of the argument you're supposed to be in favour of

[jjh927]

Sure yesterday you put me as town. After i pointed your flaw in scumhunting, you suddenly found enough content to turn this upside down.

My reads are subject to change when you do scummy ass shit

What's this "flaw" in my scumhunting?

[jjh927]

Like, I've not just "found" content here. This is a reaction to shit you have literally just said and are still saying

[Kerset]

You still didn't noticed that this question was made to get insight about your credibility. I wasn't interested in debunking your point against bitmap as it was just subjective feeling.

[hitogoroshi]

@ work on phone so shitty post but jj do you think this is kerset doing a specious defense of a buddy or a white knight he wasn't expecting to be held accountable to? Agree that 1122 is strange but can't tell what you think the reason is

[Reundo]

Hey everyone! I'm real busy rn but I'll be catching up later tonight hopefully.

[jjh927]

Well yeah you didn't debunk the point you just pointed fingers at Mastina instead

But it's also unsubstantiated. As far as I am aware, and note that you have failed to convince me otherwise, there haven't been any generalisations of that sort made about Mastina by anyone, regardless of stance on Mastina V Bitmap

[Klick]

Not really here but

Holy shit hi Soarin!

[Chemist1422]

Hey everyone! I'm real busy rn but I'll be catching up later tonight hopefully.

does this count as an anime avatar I don’t remember if I ever got an answer

hi tho

[jjh927]

@ work on phone so shitty post but jj do you think this is kerset doing a specious defense of a buddy or a white knight he wasn't expecting to be held accountable to? Agree that 1122 is strange but can't tell what you think the reason is

Not the answer you want to hear, but:
Yes. If I was sure it was a buddy defence I'd still be voting Bitmap.

The bit that really stands out as weird is the whole "side" thing. If it's sides of the argument, Alisae was on the pro-Bitmap side, so it's really off to use Alisae posts as an example to try and counter my point on Bitmap. So I'd definitely say that when the post was made, Kerset definitely wasn't expecting to have to elaborate on it at all. Accepting both "sides" being wrong kinda implies the TVT scenario. I'm not sure why anyone of either alignment goes in with a throwaway defence like that. But it feels very off, so I'm gonna keep pushing.

[Kerset]

Mastina read on you looks like a lazy version of my read on you that I haven't explained outside of my head yet

She always scumreads me when we’re town.
ALWAYS

It's frustrating because I wanna be able to say some meta thing too except one that makes you be wrong but the meta thing in my case is that me and Mastina probably just townread each other all the time

Totally

"nothing"

[jjh927]

What do you think that is an example of

[Kerset]

Kerset definitely wasn't expecting to have to elaborate on it at all.

Sorry i left precognition in my alter-ego. I can't prepare quotes ahead of time, when you are the one, who started this topic.

What do you think that is an example of

Ge_er_l_zation. Take guess.

[jjh927]

That's me talking about my own play, Kerset

[Kerset]

You and ali are saying that mastina is always scumreading/townreading you.

[jjh927]

How could that be seen in the same way I see people talking about how Bitmap was the victim in the Bitmap V Mastina shit? Or that Bitmap is a player who usually responds inordinately to pressure? Both of those seem to be commonly expressed views in the game but on closer examination I think they're both bullshit

[jjh927]

You and ali are saying that mastina is always scumreading/townreading you.

Ali was using a meta thing that probably doesn't have much factual basis but w/e AGAINST my side in the argument.

I was admitting that I have some kind of bias in that I am inclined to townread mastina, and that mastina is likely inclined to townread me.

[Kerset]

Stop changing the subject. It is not about rating the generalization. It is about the fact that you didn't consider this as possibility in both directions. Your scumreading worked in favor of attacking bitmap and no other purpose, because you refused to consider povs. Other possibility obviously existed and with some time i show you such posts. It is something like saying that X is a scum because he never votes, when there are 3 players, who does the same thing. Genuine person will look through every person to see whenever they make votes as all. Evil person will call out his desired target for lack of voting and ignore other people for sake of his agenda.

[jjh927]

The generalisations have nothing to do with why I'm scumreading Bitmap and everything to do with other people's shitty reasons for townreading him

[jjh927]

Bringing them up is part of convincing other people they are wrong

[mastina]

Who

is

scum on Bitmap redflip? I guess you have your Kerset read, but I remember Kerset -> Bitmap having some "you are fools for this push" elements that seemed a little on the nose for scum/scum. Though I'm sneaking on for like five minutes before I leave for work so no time to actually pull up evidence.

Well Kerset is probably scum regardless but is especially likely to be scum with Bitmap. (Kerset's scumminess is independent of Bitmap's. One flipping green/red doesn't make the other green/red, but as it so happens, yes, I DO think that they are scumbuddies.)

You're correct that that's only 2/3, and the options for the third are either: "This game is easy, it's the Gamma slot" (not very likely, but you never know), or, "The last scum is one of the 'strong' players in the game that I, personally, can't catch on D1...but after one or two scumflips and nightkills and seeing their stances in regards to the flipped players and flipped players stances in regards to them, will be caught later off of these associations and simple poe work" (what I believe).

I wouldn't think I'd be able to catch you, Shadoweh, Jingle, jjh, Alisae, or Menalque if any of you are scum, this early into the game; for me to correctly peg any of you as scum would require flips, night actions, etc. and analysis based off of that.

I said at the beginning of the game pretty much. Statistically speaking, there's a fair chance that at least 1-2 players who're 'strong' are scum this game; I also made it fairly clear that on D1, I wouldn't be able to catch them. One of them is probably scum with Bitmap, with Kerset as the third, but I wouldn't be able to tell you which of them it is until both Bitmap and Kerset have flipped.

That, or if for whatever ungodly reason Bitmap and Kerset both live, circa D3, I could probably make a fairly good guess even with both Bitmap and Kerset alive.

[Alisae]

I wouldn't think I'd be able to catch you, Shadoweh, Jingle, jjh, Alisae, or Menalque if any of you are scum, this early into the game; for me to correctly peg any of you as scum would require flips, night actions, etc. and analysis based off of that.

and you tried anyways?