Newbie 1984 - Game Over

[Luca Blight]

Here you say i quoted everyone without giving a position on anyone. That is a blatant misrep.

Hyperbole is not the same as "misrep"

I had already indicated I knew you claimed a townread on Hectic so this doesn't really make sense as a "misrep"

Ok, then my portrayal of you was hyperbole, not a misrep .

[Detective Pikachu]

Here you make out I said you should TR me for not giving a shit about this game. I never said that or anything of the sort, so again you’re misrepping my position.

You gave yourself permission to be absolved of participation in RVS:

Okie dokie

*hug* you're cool luca sorry you rolled scum this game

I haven’t rolled scum.

I’m a slow starter in every game I play, and you’re jumping to the conclusion that I’m scum based on a lack of solving during RVS, which seems forced.

Why are you scumreading me, then?

0 solving

Based entirely on RVS posts, which is what I said before.

Which, as I mentioned, given I could tell you were posting elsewhere on site, made it seem like you didn't give a shit about this game

Since I'm not actually reading your other games, just noticing that you're posting in them, that can reasonably lead me to suspect that you are less excited to solve in this game -- which can in some cases be due to rolling scum

Now it can also be the case that other things were going on (other games more interesting)

But this is not a misrep, this is me responding to the point that you gave a really shitty explanation for skipping 10 pages and then said I was scum for calling you on it

Calling you out on ignoring the thread is not a "misrep" even if YOU think your excuse is justified

Next.

[Detective Pikachu]

Ok, then my portrayal of you was hyperbole, not a misrep .

No, because YOU say you imagined it as a misrep

I was making a point, you were trying to be shitty

There's a pretty big fucking difference there

[Luca Blight]

Where did I say you should TR me for not giving a shit about this game?

[Luca Blight]

Ok, then my portrayal of you was hyperbole, not a misrep .

No, because YOU say you imagined it as a misrep

I was making a point, you were trying to be shitty

There's a pretty big fucking difference there

You were making a shitty point in bad faith, and you don’t like it when the same is done to you.

You can dish it out but can’t take it back.

Anyway I’m done with this for now. I’ll be back in a few hours.

[Detective Pikachu]

See Luca, here's the problem

Say you convince me that actually the reasons I was scumreading you are bad and that I should move elsewhere

You *were deliberately shitty to me* and that makes me bored with this game because if you're town I have significantly less motivation to prioritize this game and solve the game for you

R1 is also being obstructive, deliberately or not, so yeah, this game is pretty bad right now

[Detective Pikachu]

You were making a shitty point in bad faith,

my point was neither shitty nor in bad faith
-"shitty," I think you are capable of stronger reads than you've demonstrated -- the point is fair, you feel off meta
-"bad faith," I was thinking you were probably scum as a result -- so I was pushing you for the right reasons

[IMASPY]

0) Are you town or scum? Town
1) Do you prefer playing town or scum? Scum
2) What is your experience with playing mafia? Played a few times in the last 4 years, but became an online player about a year or so ago.
3) If you could have a super power, what would you pick? persuasion
4) What is your ideal location to live in? Not the north
5) How excited are you to play this game? i enjoy every game of mafia regardless of the outcome or role
6) If you could ask other players another question, what would that question be? Why is lynching an unknown day 1 beneficial to town?

[IMASPY]

page 12 and my current solve is natsu/hectic scum team

[IMASPY]

Why aren't you answering the RQS, Arthur and Luca?

Because at least one of them rolled scum and possibly both

B

This is not saying you're scum because you didn't answer rqs, it's saying you didn't answer rqs because you're scum. And it was also half joking

notice how his scumreads are the people hectic called out for absolutely no reason
interesting

The interplay between Hectic and Pikachu has been sending off alarms in my head. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it. I guess it's because all the SE's have played with each other before. Pikachu is really reaching in most of his scumreads, and seems to be crafting narratives out of nothing.

@72offsuit, honestly look at Pikachu's iso and tell me how on earth you see it as being a townread? He looks like a sharper version of my scum partner from last game.

The last post on page 12 only made me further my thoughts on that scum team

[IMASPY]

I have a slight SR on dsjstr - tonally he seems ok but he’s just floating through with no real content atm. Need to see more from him.

Based on my previous game with him i would say his day 1 activity is NAI.. playing almost the same exact as they did as VT

[IMASPY]

Well i guess alittle more than NAI.. im not saying they are VT but i dont think the lack of content at this stage of the game is scum indicative of them

[IMASPY]

Currently have Luca has my highest town read.

[IMASPY]

What do you think of 49, Natsu? After rereading it, I have several problems with it.

You have *several* problems with it? I'll say it looks feigned, but I can't think of too much else, especially when there isn't much else to go on with Arthur. I've actually read the game Mountain in full that he was a part of. I guess this one post in particular looks a bit out of character. His advice for last game was to trust his instincts and not to hide as a PR. Maybe you're just leading my thinking here, but he does seem overly sensitive to near-lynch wagons both here, 50, and 51. Says he's okay with policy lynching eventually (not a good sign). Speaks authoritatively about a "very common" mafia tactic even though it's his second game. Oh and he also never analyzed dkkoba who I believe was on that wagon. Shit, I guess I do have a lot of problems with it as well.

For the record, I wasn't worried about an early L-1 because a lol-hammer would basically be an admission of guilt. I can't fathom even a newbie town player being the one to hammer on day 1 of day 1.

This feels like Natsu is allowing himself to be lead into a SR on Arthur.

I also don’t think the points he raises are really scum indicative. And this post has a lamist feel to it.

This is the one post that made him my top town read. Take it under consideration that i have natsu in my current scum team.

[IMASPY]

And he didn’t mention anything about me v Pikachu, which should have been of interest to him given it was scumread v scumread from his pov.

Along with this post which i see as very telling as well.

[Detective Pikachu]

Hectic has some eccentric, well-honed style of geniusness that is producing information earlier on.

this reads kinda weird for s/s

[Hectic]

Why are Natsu and I both scum, Spy?

[IMASPY]

And he didn’t mention anything about me v Pikachu, which should have been of interest to him given it was scumread v scumread from his pov.

When I said

I guess it's because all the SE's have played with each other before. Pikachu is really reaching in most of his scumreads, and seems to be crafting narratives out of nothing.

I felt I was clearly taking your interaction into account, just not naming it specifically.

I dont know if natsu purposely removed the post number/link or not, but if you are into spoilers check this out.

Spoiler:

Why aren't you answering the RQS, Arthur and Luca?

Because at least one of them rolled scum and possibly both

B

This is not saying you're scum because you didn't answer rqs, it's saying you didn't answer rqs because you're scum. And it was also half joking

notice how his scumreads are the people hectic called out for absolutely no reason
interesting

The interplay between Hectic and Pikachu has been sending off alarms in my head. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it. I guess it's because all the SE's have played with each other before. Pikachu is really reaching in most of his scumreads, and seems to be crafting narratives out of nothing.

@72offsuit, honestly look at Pikachu's iso and tell me how on earth you see it as being a townread? He looks like a sharper version of my scum partner from last game.

[IMASPY]

Why are Natsu and I both scum, Spy?

I have already shown a couple things that would have some indications to why i believe you two could be a scum team.

[Hectic]

I don't really get how what you're showing indicates that though. Could you explain why those posts indicate that?

[Natsu]

Pikachu + Luca. I see the SE's are doing a bang-up job on teaching us newbies how it's done.

No but seriously I want both of you dead so this game can get under control.

I'm feeling better about Arthur's slot with IMASPY in it now. I am noticing that I am getting scum-read fairly often by multiple different people, which honestly runs counter to my scum games where I think I was scumleaned only once during RVS. I guess that makes sense.

For the record I usually post on weekends but I ended up with a cold. Been mostly observing when I have the energy.

[Hectic]

I'm feeling better about Arthur's slot with IMASPY in it now.

Really? What's he done so far that you like?

[IMASPY]

Natsu, Arthur's been criticising people for "bad play" a lot this game

At the time of this post Arther had a total of 7 post, and had not posted in over 250 post. I Believe a quick skim of his iso search would show that this is flat out not true.

Spoiler:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11563258

[Detective Pikachu]

Pikachu + Luca. I see the SE's are doing a bang-up job on teaching us newbies how it's done.

really though why is this game full of a bunch of condescending pricks?

being new doesn't give you permission to be rude

[IMASPY]

ooppsss