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VOTE: Cheeky
L minus 1ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Upon rereading, I really don't like the push on TSE. I find LL focused too much on the 3 posts he was talking about in 201. Do I like the posts? Not really. Am I voting someone solely because of them? Hell no. The fact that Cheeky was quick to change her vote after LL's post rubs me the wrong way as well. I'm more concerned that TSE's voted Cheeky and I still don't know exactly why. Hopefully upon him answering my question in a previous post it will make more sense.
@TSE: Did you elaborate on your Karnage SR? Quote the post if I've missed it, share your thoughts if not.- Ph0enix
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Could you elaborate?In post 270, Homura wrote:Lynchpool of {Karnage, Tapioca!slot, Phoenix}. Low confidence on most reads.- Ph0enix
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What made you move your vote from Karnage?
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Deadline
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Fair.In post 292, Homura wrote:
Feel she's trying to sort and has been the most transparent spot in the game. She's elaborating on her reads and answering questions. Significant in a stagnant gamestate where it would be opportune for scum to blend in. Reads are in conflict, but considering the lack of content from most players that's to be expected.In post 284, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
Could you elaborate on your Cheeky read?In post 270, Homura wrote:Re-read last night and digested a bit.
Think LL is hard-tunneling town. TSE is town. Cheeky is town. Titus is maybe town, but nebulous. QQ/Crush might be town, but I want to see content I can actually parse.
Earlier Phoenix townlean might be wrong. Lynchpool of {Karnage, Tapioca!slot, Phoenix}. Low confidence on most reads.- TrueSoulEnergy
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In post 283, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 241, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 214, Karnage wrote:
I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205In post 210, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:VOTE: CheekyTeeky
I think there playing in their scum meta.
LL is Town.
@CheekyTeekyIn post 205, CheekyTeeky wrote:Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSEhaving no WIMbecause he'sscum here.
VOTE: TSE
LL is this your first game of mafia?
Elaborate on Bolded.
Cheeky still refuses to respond to this.
So until they do I’m never going to Unvote them.- TrueSoulEnergy
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We have a little over 2 days left no?In post 307, Titus wrote:Deadline
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We do. I don't want a deadline scramble if Cheeky claims a PR.In post 310, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
We have a little over 2 days left no?In post 307, Titus wrote:Deadline
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Fair enough.In post 309, TrueSoulEnergy wrote: Cheeky still refuses to respond to this.
So until they do I’m never going to Unvote them.- Plotinus
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When I get a replacement for tapioca, the deadline will be extended so they'll have 2 days to catch up.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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I don't mafia lean your slot because of meta arguments, I just don't like meta arguments. Especially not in a newbie game because I, and probably more people, have never played with players in said meta read. I can't evaluate meta based arguments because I have no indication of their meta, so for me meta arguments contribute null to the game. The main reason I lean mafia on your slot are the posts made by LunarRest regarding the Titus vote switch after RVS, it seemed like she was reaching for the sky. I dislike the entire theatre around that vote switch.In post 290, Homura wrote:
How is my making meta arguments scum-indicative? Especially when it was perfectly applicable in the context I presented it in?In post 276, Crush wrote:Ok I've somewhat caught up, haven't really got the chance to really analyze everything but I guess that will have to wait until D2 or later. So far I actually quite dislike a lot of slots, of which I dislike Cheeky the most. Cheeky, would you say that you are someone that's easy to convince/too agreeable? Because you have voted for a lot of players D1 and to me it feels like you're trying to catch every wave that might hit the shore. Do you really think LL's post was that good to immediately let go of your Titus vote?
The Homura slot had a lot of posts I can't really place in the early pages, a lot of fluff and I also really hate meta arguments especially in a noobie game. Tapio slot had some questionable posts and seems also easily swayed. Karnage is still kinda whatever to me. I do like the #201 but I dislike the fixedness in his reads, still I've seen some town players do this in the games I've played years ago and since I still do like the effort and analysis LL is a town lean for now. To me the Phoenix slot isn't that noteworthy right now, which make the early TR other players have given him (before like pag 10'ish, I will have to look up later who exactly these players were) strange to me. The only minor thing I dislike in this slot is the seriousness he used in approaching my slot. TSE feels meh to me, I didn't particularly like the 'mafioso' thing and I think the constant formation of teams on D1 isn't that relevant, feels like a way to add to your postcount without really contributing. I like Titus the most aside from LL, mainly because of the early interactions regarding the 'gut vote' and the good cop bad cop thing.
So for me now: town leaning LL, Titus. Mafia leaning: Tapio, maybe Homura, maybe TSE but mainly VOTE: Cheeky
I actually think in some cases it might be. I could see a world in which mafia wants to present themselves as tryhard solvers by engaging with the town's clown (with all due respect QQ). But yeah it's definitely not the strongest of reasons, I think it's stranger that Phoenix got a few early TRs but I don't know to what conclusions that would lead.In post 291, Homura wrote:Don't like this entrance in general. Half of your reads are nullreads and you're sheeping the main wagon. Your reluctance to take stances on your reads is off.
Do you think Phoenix's approach to your slot is scum-indicative?
These particular posts do nothing for me. I'm not trying to steam roll you or anything, but my opinion on you won't change due to these kind of comments since I have no way to validate them. It's not like these posts make you more likely mafia in my eyes, same goes for the meta based arguments.In post 297, CheekyTeeky wrote:
How am I not cooperating? It's an actual thing that people who don't know me vote and me early are greater than rand town. I actually differentiated between two newbies in a recent newbie game I stomped because of their approaches to me. I liked you going for me at first but now it just feels like you're attempting to steam roll me based on the suspicion already surrounding my slot.In post 287, Crush wrote:Also don't like this, saw someone post something along the lines of 'why would we lynch you (SE) instead of going for noobies, didnt like that either. Its a really easy way to completely kill what someone is saying, it might be true in a sense but it isnt cooperative at all.- Crush
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Also about the first part of #291 , I don't think most of my reads are null since I do lean (if only slightly) on most players. If you would interpret that as me null reading everyone that's fine, but don't expect me to develop all in reads D1 like LL does. I would also like to remind you that my vote on Cheeky made that wagon the leading one, I could also have voted for the equally big TSE and LL wagons.- LuckyLuciano
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In post 215, Karnage wrote:
elaborateIn post 201, LuckyLuciano wrote:Scum is probably between TSE, Phoenix, Karnage, and Phi (Homura)In post 257, Karnage wrote:
Would the player who willingly replaced into this game, just perhaps, like to respond to the post below?In post 232, LuckyLuciano wrote:Would the players who willingly signed up for this game, just perhaps, like to play the game?In post 215, Karnage wrote:
elaborateIn post 201, LuckyLuciano wrote:Scum is probably between TSE, Phoenix, Karnage, and Phi (Homura)In post 203, Ph0enix wrote:@LL: Could you elaborate more on your scumreads, TSE excluded? Also, are you putting everyone you haven't townread as possible scum because you genuinely suspect them? Because if it's due to the fact that you have insufficient information for a given player, especially on D1, one usually gives them a null read. I mean, having 4 scumreads in the middle of D1 is a bit much, I find.
How many times are you two going to ask the same question before reading what I post? I've answered this three times, including in my first post in the game.In post 254, Ph0enix wrote:@Cheeky: Could you elaborate a bit more on your readslist in 223?
Same goes for TSE's townreads.
And LL's "scumbucket".
In post 201, LuckyLuciano wrote:- Scum is probably between TSE, Phoenix, Karnage, and Phi (Homura). Even though the Phi slot hasn't posted substance yet,Spoiler:I'm leaning town on everyone else so far so by PoE he's in this group.Reads can change later on, but I'm fine with a DP1 lynch of any of the above pending reasons to vote otherwise. As TSE is my strongest scumread atm, VOTE: TSE.In post 204, LuckyLuciano wrote:My only scumread is TSE. My scumbucket, or the pool of players who I currently think could be scum, consists of 4 players. I'm willing to lynch any of the 4 this DP, but I'd prefer TSE.In post 221, LuckyLuciano wrote:Spoiler:
Yes. Lynches provide information. I'd rather lynch using a random number generator DP1 than no lynch, absent a setup that makes a no lynch advantageous. Granted that we have content to analyze, we've moved beyond the necessity of using RNG to determine a lynch target and have reasons to lynch or not lynch certain players based upon their behavior.In post 217, Ph0enix wrote:
So in the scenario where you no longer SR TSE, you are going to want to lynch anyone of the other 3 despite you not SRing them?In post 204, LuckyLuciano wrote:My only scumread is TSE. My scumbucket, or the pool of players who I currently think could be scum, consists of 4 players. I'm willing to lynch any of the 4 this DP, but I'd prefer TSE.Everyone outside of the 4 players I've mentioned have exhibited behavior or insight that leads me to not want to lynch them on DP1. I think that lynching on DP1 is good, and I think that lynching one of the 3 players in my bucket that I do null read provides more value than lynching a player I town read.This value is generated through multiple worlds theory. Assuming players who act town are town more often than not, and players who do not are town less often than so, lynching a player who does not act town will benefit the town in more worlds than it does not, and vice versa.- LuckyLuciano
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This was answered days ago.In post 309, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 283, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 241, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 214, Karnage wrote:
I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205In post 210, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:VOTE: CheekyTeeky
I think there playing in their scum meta.
LL is Town.
@CheekyTeekyIn post 205, CheekyTeeky wrote:Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSEhaving no WIMbecause he'sscum here.
VOTE: TSE
LL is this your first game of mafia?
Elaborate on Bolded.
Cheeky still refuses to respond to this.
So until they do I’m never going to Unvote them.
In post 206, LuckyLuciano wrote:This is my first game on MS. I've played for a few years on the now defunt debate.org. It's been about a year or so since I've played, however. What's WIM?In post 207, CheekyTeeky wrote:I suppose that explains why you present so eloquently. WIM is Want It More, in the context of my usage I would translate as "passion" or "enthusiasm"In post 208, CheekyTeeky wrote:I have played with TSE and have found that he's a verypassionateplayer as town. He hasn't been hitting the right notes for me this game to townread him as yet so why not poke the bear?- TrueSoulEnergy
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Ah. Must have missed it.In post 318, LuckyLuciano wrote:
This was answered days ago.In post 309, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 283, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 241, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 214, Karnage wrote:
I dont know about their meta but I didn't like 205In post 210, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:VOTE: CheekyTeeky
I think there playing in their scum meta.
LL is Town.
@CheekyTeekyIn post 205, CheekyTeeky wrote:Wow nice entrance, I'm sold. Both on LL being town and TSEhaving no WIMbecause he'sscum here.
VOTE: TSE
LL is this your first game of mafia?
Elaborate on Bolded.
Cheeky still refuses to respond to this.
So until they do I’m never going to Unvote them.
In post 206, LuckyLuciano wrote:This is my first game on MS. I've played for a few years on the now defunt debate.org. It's been about a year or so since I've played, however. What's WIM?In post 207, CheekyTeeky wrote:I suppose that explains why you present so eloquently. WIM is Want It More, in the context of my usage I would translate as "passion" or "enthusiasm"In post 208, CheekyTeeky wrote:I have played with TSE and have found that he's a verypassionateplayer as town. He hasn't been hitting the right notes for me this game to townread him as yet so why not poke the bear?
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I recommend everyone who is town or phoenix or scum on cheeky to read through https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81548. Both were town in that game, yet Cheeky's play is identical to here and Phoenix's is far different. Focus primarily on Phoenix's conviction and the aggressiveness in his play. Literally everything he has posted this game has been either fluff and/or non-accusatory. The phrase "I believe" and its variants are omni-present when town!phoenix plays yet have been used 0 times this game. Further, there is a major contradiction between his town play in that game and his opening to this game. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11445086 He specifically stated,
When questioned by Farren,So I decided to unvote Chazary in order to avoid starting some kind of wagon as with Gyro.
He responded,Why do you want to avoid starting wagons? Or is it something specific about not wanting to start a wagon on chazary specifically?
Yet, this game he willingly let the wagon on Tapi, a new player, build immediately upon game start without hesitation and without unvoting, which according to his past game, he believes would have been the pro-town move.Oh no, it's not player-related. I'm just not a fan of them during RVS, I don't believe they do a good job in providing people with information, and in our case, considering we're in a Newbie game, some players who are less experienced and are at the receiving end of a wagon may panic and slip up because of that, regardless of alignment, which, considering the ratio between Town and Mafia players, is not in Town's favor.
In addition, while I've had Phoenix as gut-scum all game due to his noncommittal play and unnecessary fluffing, me straight out saying he was scum was a reaction test. His reaction of hard OMGUS here directly contradicts the way town!phoenix reacted in that game to being scumread,
UNVOTE: TSE VOTE: Phoenix.So I'll assume my response was unsatisfactory and you still suspect me. Quite interesting.- LuckyLuciano
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I think you, among others, are giving Phoenix far too much towncred for "contributing" when I cannot find one single read he's given in his iso. Given my recent dig into his meta showing that he would rather disrupt wagons on new players by unvoting than let them build, and your town-read on Tapi, are you willing to believe that Phoenix not unvoting Tapi to stop the wagon, and instead asking Titus for their opinion on the wagon, looks at least partially SvT?
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Your content is like that of Phoenix.In post 322, LuckyLuciano wrote:I think you, among others, are giving Phoenix far too much towncred for "contributing" when I cannot find one single read he's given in his iso. Given my recent dig into his meta showing that he would rather disrupt wagons on new players by unvoting than let them build, and your town-read on Tapi, are you willing to believe that Phoenix not unvoting Tapi to stop the wagon, and instead asking Titus for their opinion on the wagon, looks at least partially SvT?
You guys are good posters.
The more I think of it. I suppose it isn’t a great reason to Town read them for.- LuckyLuciano
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In post 293, Homura wrote:
What's your read of me, Cheeky?In post 279, CheekyTeeky wrote:I think the rest of my reads are pretty self-explanatory.
Is this valuable information? Why?In post 294, Homura wrote:
Same question for you.In post 281, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I’m liking Titus enthusiasm this game.
LL had a Townie entrance
Phoenix is contributioning quite a bit. In a more Townie way then scummy.
Tap’s interaction with me felt Genuine Town. - LuckyLuciano
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