Newbie 1992 | Game Over

[Menalque]

Nah, I will be back soon tho, I’m just not quite ready yet

[skitter30]

also why are people voting marashu again what did he do

This whole thing feels kinda svs with marashu

[skitter30]

it seems she thinks town shouldt position themselves in oportunistic positions to lynch ppl, but she joines Menalque in applying pressure to u

I dont think i was being oppurtunistic there

[skitter30]

TLDR: he acted overly nice, overly nice is good for the individual more than the colective, hence bad for town.

I dont understand why being overly nice is better for an individual more than for the collective

[skitter30]

Clidd is probably town

[skitter30]

clidd implying word is towny because his tone is similar to a game of clidd's in which clidd was town (and died night one) is odd and word saying "will read" without further comment after previously saying clidd's evaluation of maduisha was emotionally manipulative is also odd. is word supposed to read that game and think, "hm, clidd in that game also reminds me of me and clidd was town there so i am town?" see the problem

I think this is fine

Can i get a readslist from u ?

[skitter30]

which could be explained by all of you being familiar with eachother and reading eachother as town, though skitter has said she was paranoid of menalque and not ready to say you're town. could also be explained by each of you individually reading marashu as scum. could also be explained by one or two of you being mafia and this being opportunistic, however.

Ok and ?

You agree that marashu's posts are scummy
I dont entirely follow why you think voting there is odd

[skitter30]

Does this mean he just forgot to mention the potential existence of other PRs? Or maybe he was so convinced the claim was real that he disregarded it completely.

Scum has no way of knowing rn if we're in a masons setup
I dont think it's that scummy that he didnt mention the other prs
If anything its lowkey townie that he didng understand the setup

[skitter30]

. The lack of interaction between the two is the only reason. I don't see the scenario Scum!TRQ wasting time and straining her cognitive ability to question her partner, because theoretically, they already have a private chat to discuss.

Is this a read of trq in particular, or how you think all scum behave with their partners?

[skitter30]

Menalque talks a lot, so I have a hard time thinking he's scum. He'd slip once or twice with the amount of message and message speed he has. If he is scum, I'd be impressed.

He's capable of this as scum

[skitter30]

a small commentary on 62. here she said to "dnt tr her for this" to gw (for wanting to move the game). i particularly dnt rly trust the "dnt trust on me". it makes no sense as town; its only value lies in "hey, think a little bit more before you make an assumption and consider every possibility". it has relatively more value as a scum, bc it can be used as a tool to gain trust.

I say this a lot as both alignments, i apparently feel the need to point out when people are townreading me for bad reasons

[skitter30]

still in 62 she announced she would play passive. again, passive tends to favor scum play, EXACTLY why she is being doubted rn (for being hard to read).

No, i just feel lazy.
Trust me i can play super active as scum if i wanted to

[skitter30]

Ok i'm caught up

[Datisi]

Do you still think Marashu is a good vote?

[skitter30]

Yeah i still like it

I would also encourage everyone not voting to vote

[Datisi]

Alrighty then.

VOTE: marashu

[Menalque]

Menalque talks a lot, so I have a hard time thinking he's scum. He'd slip once or twice with the amount of message and message speed he has. If he is scum, I'd be impressed.

He's capable of this as scum

idk what u mean I’m miles outside my scumrange

[skitter30]

oh? how so?

[Karnage]

Vote Count 1.12

Marashu (3) ~

skitter30, Menalque, Datisi,

Datisi (1) ~

team rocket queen,

clidd (1) ~

word321,

GeneralWu (1) ~

Maduisha,

Not voting (3) ~

Marashu, GeneralWu, clidd,

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-27 19:08:54)

V/LA:

• skitter30 - Fridays and Saturdays

[team rocket queen]

the inability to detect whether others are understanding her denotations or not

i agree with this.

It is not natural to consider that looking only for townread without looking for information is something NAI.

however, this i do not. skitter has said somewhere that the best way to play town is to be unlynchable and to link up with your townreads to form a coalition. in order to do so, it is a priority to be townread as town.

Conclusion: TRQ presents peculiar characteristics of sophistry, but does not share the bias that this type of event suggests. Therefore, it is better classified in the spectrum of paralogism, which, although similar in principle, differs in the user's intention. With that in mind, I am inclined to think that she can only be scum if Menalque is, due to the lack of significant interaction between these two, observed in ISO. Otherwise she is town.

i feel like your screenplay is missing the scene where dr. strange realizes harley quinn is also a doctor before reading her as town.

The impression that there is a scum between Menalque and Skitter is getting stronger and stronger by PoE.

does menalque not seem to be enjoying the game? he has frequently said he does not enjoy playing as scum, and has even gone as far to say he only replaces into games if he strongly reads the slot as town beforehand. he seemed quite upset that datisi was upset which means he was likely enjoying playing the game. (yes, there's a good chance i'm talking about menalque here because you said i wasn't.)

straining her cognitive ability

Spoiler:

overall, i have found skitters behavior pretty consistant. i may go against my previous word here (no pun intended).
first, i must say this come from ISO. it doesnt rly address the conttext of the messages. it also doesnt address what is NOT said by skitter. keep that in mind.

skitters probably first meaningful interaction was at the beginning of the game. every lean at page 1-3 is obviously early, but read gw as town early on, along with dat. the reason was, it seems, her town mentality. the only 2 mesningful posts from gw were 32 and 39. i kinda guess gw was consistent with why he liked the idea of moving on with the game (bc he didnt like meta diving), and i guess skitter could have assumed that as town indicative.
dats tl is explicited in 54.

a small commentary on 62. here she said to "dnt tr her for this" to gw (for wanting to move the game). i particularly dnt rly trust the "dnt trust on me". it makes no sense as town; its only value lies in "hey, think a little bit more before you make an assumption and consider every possibility". it has relatively more value as a scum, bc it can be used as a tool to gain trust.
she used it again on 311, albeit with a different connotation here. on the previous post, it was said to someone she was tonleaning; in this post, it was said against someone she was casting doubts upon. in this case, it makes more sense to correlate that to a avaibility of information, connection that was never made. this may be me biased against a certain technique and how i think myself, of course.
still in 62 she announced she would play passive. again, passive tends to favor scum play, EXACTLY why she is being doubted rn (for being hard to read).

on 85 she tr gw. on 119, she said marashu and trq probably arent scum together, bc they would be shoting at their own feets.

now, on 162 she begins casting doubt on dat. this is concreted on a vote in 176. now, this is completely consistent of what she said on 48, that she likes to put some pressure with a 2nd vote on newbie games.
in 303, she doubted dat bc he was sowing doubt on men about clidd.

by 284 gw was still one of the most tr with mad, clidd and men too, but she did cast doubt on marashu, trq and dat.

by 503, she affirms its unlikely trq is scum with marashu or dat, but doesnt tr trq nor dat.

she reaffirms her faith on mad on 512, and votes marashu on 493.

overall, as ive said, its a consistent game: both trs and srs are pretty consistent. i belive that doesnt imply she is town at all; to cas doubt on the inconsistent or too pushy or inactive players is standard, to trust transparent or cohesive players is too (under her own standards). if we follow the scum hypothesis, marashu would indeed be an easy guy to lynch, suported too by his inactivity. i guess this rules out them both as scums. another interesting thing is she tr gw, but gw tr marashu. that may be also indicative they arent both scum, but is not definitive. clidd has doubted skitter, skitter has doubted trq.
there is an overall plausability in skitter being scum; of course, its not definitive.

when clidd does this it is much more useful because it isn't simply telling us all of the posts the individual has made (which is worse than us reading the isos ourselves so the information isn't filtered by you) but also adding evaluation/analysis in a way that we may not be able to do ourselves.

While it may very well indicate he's scummy, this can also be used as a weapon by mafia to give us a misdirection by leaving him alive on purpose.

triple edged sword by this logic because if mafia leave him alive on purpose to scumread him for it, he is also alive to solve the game.

I think this is fine

Can i get a readslist from u ?

just seems very strange for word to be investigating his own towniness.

this isn't a natural way for me to format my thoughts, but sure. structured like yours from earlier:

{menalque, madiusha}
{clidd}
{generalwu} (null)
{skitter, datisi}
{word, marashu}

I dont entirely follow why you think voting there is odd

it's weird because it can be easily read as opportunistic (lowest activity etc). it's also weird because it happened quickly, like it could have been coordinated.

[Menalque]

oh? how so?

Twas a joke

[Maduisha]

Does this mean he just forgot to mention the potential existence of other PRs? Or maybe he was so convinced the claim was real that he disregarded it completely.

Scum has no way of knowing rn if we're in a masons setup
I dont think it's that scummy that he didnt mention the other prs
If anything its lowkey townie that he didng understand the setup

If it's somewhat towny in your opinion that he misunderstood stuff, why do you think he's still a good lynch? Is the content of his posts scummy past that point? He posts too little for my taste, but I don't think the posts are empty. The questions he leaves here and there are a bit weird because they seem targeted at random, and he never replies to the person when they answer it, so that pings me as weird too.

[Maduisha]

Also, @Karnage, you forgot my vote in the vote count. I'm so sad right now.

[Karnage]

Also, @Karnage, you forgot my vote in the vote count. I'm so sad right now.

Sorry! I've edited the most recent vote count to reflect your vote in 668

[skitter30]

Does this mean he just forgot to mention the potential existence of other PRs? Or maybe he was so convinced the claim was real that he disregarded it completely.

Scum has no way of knowing rn if we're in a masons setup
I dont think it's that scummy that he didnt mention the other prs
If anything its lowkey townie that he didng understand the setup

If it's somewhat towny in your opinion that he misunderstood stuff, why do you think he's still a good lynch? Is the content of his posts scummy past that point? He posts too little for my taste, but I don't think the posts are empty. The questions he leaves here and there are a bit weird because they seem targeted at random, and he never replies to the person when they answer it, so that pings me as weird too.

the scummines outweighs that one townie point imo